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Here's an interesting article that seems to question if U.S. citizens could sell or market a free energy machine.
How the Government Suppresses Free Energy Technologies
http://www.wakingtimes.com/2015/09/24/how-the-government-suppresses-free-energy-technologies/
It mentions the The Orion Project did a study on this and found 11 methods the government stops this technology. Section 181 of the US Patent law is one method. So I thought if anyone ever discovered a free energy machine and sold it to say Elon Musk at Telsa/SpaceX, then could a billionaire like Elon get such a device marketed?
I'm curious, has anyone here been harassed by the government regarding free energy research?
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have you ever seen anything OU?
these threads are full of dead ends and false claims.
what would the mib suppress?
i stopped buying oil to heat my house and cut my electric use by half, no one cared!
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have you ever seen anything OU? these threads are full of dead ends and false claims.
The people who are visiting some specialized forum despite that they don't like/believe in their subject are automatically suspicious in my eyes. Why the people should visit forum about cats, if they're actually cat haters? There are many other forums about all things possible - such an attitude just doesn't give any sense. I presume, you're visiting this forum because you still believe in overunity - not because you want to deny and undermine the research efforts.
The keeping research disclosed is definitely personal right of every overunity researcher - but the history of overunity research learned us, this way is completely non-productive even for inventors themselves. The free energy is primarily about free information sharing and all patents and classification of it are just dual way of its censorship and boycotting with fossil/nuclear-fuel lobby. I'm proverbially saying in this respect, than the main enemies of overunity progress aren't greedy monopolies - but the greediness of the overunity researchers itself.
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what would the mib suppress?
If someone is on the right track to overunity then don't you think they would try to suppress it? Maybe that's a way to know if you're on the right track. ;) I know the ufo community is still being harassed by mib or at least some of those who've seen on and speak out about it are talking about some guys in black coming up to them saying they better keep their mouth shut or else.
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The keeping research disclosed is definitely personal right of every overunity researcher - but the history of overunity research learned us, this way is completely non-productive even for inventors themselves. The free energy is primarily about free information sharing and all patents and classification of it are just dual way of its censorship and boycotting with fossil/nuclear-fuel lobby. I'm proverbially saying in this respect, than the main enemies of overunity progress aren't greedy monopolies - but the greediness of the overunity researchers itself.
Man it would suck if I invented a self running overunity device and didn't sell it to google or whatever for a zillion dollars and just gave it away for free but hey if it meant some mib would snatch me away to some prison cell a mile below the nevada desert then may as well give it away for free.
So after reading that article on 11 ways government suppresses tech, I was thinking of what use is it to even try sell it to Tesla or spacex or google because they're not stupid. If they know they'd have small chance of marketing that kinda tech then why would they give me lot of money?
Not that I have anything hahaaaaaaahahahah 🤞🤞🤞🤞🤞 ;) but I think it all really sucks.
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Well
I suppose its bad news for Business venues ?
but thankfully over here its about this !
The International Open Source Free Energy Research Forum
Sorry your Zillion dollars isn't on the menu here...
re: patents and agreements with governments ?
an old friend once said "never hand a man a stick to beat you with "
honestly
I love that ,it leaves few options...
respectfully
Chet K
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"Government suppression of Free Energy" What does not exist cannot be suppressed.
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What does not exist cannot be suppressed
Pluralistic ignorance (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pluralistic_ignorance)
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Please demonstrate the existence.
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Secret Presidential Memorandum issued to Declassify Anti-aging & Free Energy Technologies (http://exopolitics.org/secret-presidential-memo-anti-aging-free-energy/)
According to secret space program whistleblower, Corey Goode, President Donald Trump issued a highly classified Memorandum soon after his January 20th inauguration ordering the release of group of classified patents concerning anti-aging and health, along with free energy technologies. The Top Secret Memorandum was sent to the Department of Defense and the Intelligence Community, and due to its classification status it will not be accessible to major media for reporting.
Invention Secrecy Activity (https://fas.org/sgp/othergov/invention/stats.html) (as reported by the Patent & Trademark Office) more details (https://www.reddit.com/r/Physics_AWT/comments/2ojeab/the_us_government_has_a_secret_system_for/?ref=search_posts)
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Secret Presidential Memorandum issued to Declassify Anti-aging & Free Energy Technologies (http://exopolitics.org/secret-presidential-memo-anti-aging-free-energy/)
According to secret space program whistleblower, Corey Goode, President Donald Trump issued a highly classified Memorandum soon after his January 20th inauguration ordering the release of group of classified patents concerning anti-aging and health, along with free energy technologies. The Top Secret Memorandum was sent to the Department of Defense and the Intelligence Community, and due to its classification status it will not be accessible to major media for reporting.
Invention Secrecy Activity (https://fas.org/sgp/othergov/invention/stats.html) (as reported by the Patent & Trademark Office) more details (https://www.reddit.com/r/Physics_AWT/comments/2ojeab/the_us_government_has_a_secret_system_for/?ref=search_posts)
Oh my!
The only 'suppression' going on here is that of intellectual thought.....primarily your very own....and YOU are the one dampening it.
1) Corey Goode is total bizarre drug addicted wingnut that makes his living from appearing on extreme extreme conspiracy type shows that spout absolute nonsense. The guy has no legitimate hold on any sort of reality and its a miracle he can feed himself weeties in the morning.
2) Corey Goode is a KNOWN hoaxer
3) The "secret space programme" was a known hoax
4) Further to my previous posts if you want the TRUTH .......follow FACTS....its called definitive evidentiary process. Create a body of evidence.
Any moron (and now the USA is run by one) can spout total nonsense whilst supposedly supporting it with wild claims. Oh Trump tower was wiretapped. Muslims are bad people. .....Obama spends more time golfing than Tiger Woods".
Get some credibility and start from know facts! Go research...experiment.
If not....go smoke another joint, collect your welfare check and then read another conspiracy site......but don't regurgitate gaslighted putrified "alternate facts" here and call it normality.
Oceans
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I think this article dealing with the suppression of thorium batteries puts up a pretty good case. http://www.rexresearch.com/articles2/thorium.htm (http://www.rexresearch.com/articles2/thorium.htm). From the article :
The technology already exists for thorium batteries which would replace any reliance on the grid and indeed wind and solar.
These batteries are very compact and can be made in any size, and one inventor ran his entire house for over a year on a battery the size of a shoebox (Dimitri Petronov) and an American inventor used his battery to power a car for 13 months before he disappeared.
A Harvard professor was writing about this technology as far back as 1998 (Dr. Ramon Khanna).https://arxiv.org/abs/astro-ph/9803240 (https://arxiv.org/abs/astro-ph/9803240) The U.S. DoE embraced and subsequently sponsored over $40 million of research that resulted in the publication of 5 white papers that were once posted on the internet between 1997-2008, but which all then mysteriously vanished in 2010 without explanation.
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Corey Goode is total bizarre drug addicted wingnut that makes his living from appearing on extreme extreme conspiracy type
But after then you dismissed the only evidence, that the governments is abandoning the suppression of breakthrough findings - and all the rest of my links remained non-commented. Invention Secrecy Activity (https://fas.org/sgp/othergov/invention/stats.html), The U.S. Government Has a Secret System for Stalling Patents (https://www.yahoo.com/tech/the-u-s-government-has-a-secret-system-for-104249688314.html), Over 5000 US patents are now state secrets (https://www.newscientist.com/article/mg19626263-400-over-5000-us-patents-are-now-state-secrets/) with 5002 patents under wraps, the US has suppressed ideas from the equivalent of five Thomas Edisons, who famously had over a thousand patents to his name. Although 68 new secrecy orders were applied in 2008, some 47 older ones were rescinded - so a total of 5023 secrecy orders are still in effect
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Oh my!
The only 'suppression' going on here is that of intellectual thought.....primarily your very own....and YOU are the one dampening it.
1) Corey Goode is total bizarre drug addicted wingnut that makes his living from appearing on extreme extreme conspiracy type shows that spout absolute nonsense. The guy has no legitimate hold on any sort of reality and its a miracle he can feed himself weeties in the morning.
2) Corey Goode is a KNOWN hoaxer
3) The "secret space programme" was a known hoax
4) Further to my previous posts if you want the TRUTH .......follow FACTS....its called definitive evidentiary process. Create a body of evidence.
Any moron (and now the USA is run by one) can spout total nonsense whilst supposedly supporting it with wild claims. Oh Trump tower was wiretapped. Muslims are bad people. .....Obama spends more time golfing than Tiger Woods".
Get some credibility and start from know facts! Go research...experiment.
If not....go smoke another joint, collect your welfare check and then read another conspiracy site......but don't regurgitate gaslighted putrified "alternate facts" here and call it normality.
Oceans
A very critical and heavy position by you discourse but plenty of nonsense and ceptical opinion . but is just one more opinion .
Can you explain a bit more to us what you mean when you say that don't exist suppression ? If suppression don't exist why USA government invited Nikola Tesla to join in some projects like Philadelphia project and after their dead simple confiscated several documents, that are only available several years later but censored ?
Only in 1951 an American court declared that some of that documents was transferred to Belgrade to be housed in the Nikola Tesla Museum in Belgrade.
Is that not suppression ? This is just one example isn't he ?
Nelson Rocha
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What makes you think the Tesla had a FREE ENERGY /OU project or even thought it was possible?
Of course governments have secrets, but there is no evidence of the feasibility of FREE ENERGY /OU.
Thorium is just another energy source, also known as 'fuel'.
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What makes you think the Tesla had a FREE ENERGY /OU project or even thought it was possible?
Of course governments have secrets, but there is no evidence of the feasibility of FREE ENERGY /OU.
Thorium is just another energy source, also known as 'fuel'.
The question is not if Tesla had or not a Free energy project . What i ask you is if this is not suppression ? The Government not confiscate only documents related with Tesla related work to government, but almost their documents related with other personal projects , and that is only one example.
I Know what is Thorium and is only one more source of energy like lot of others , but if some of this sources bump again mainly interest of already implemented sources because are more cheap to produce power ,that could be a problem to interests of some groups and governments, because means that all structure that sustain the actual world in Energy production will not simple changed from a day to another because are much politic and financial interests involved, just see the Nuclear energy , like a example ; even with the related danger associated to the production of energy by nuclear process what we see ?
Did you see big countries dismantling their power plants in favor of security even after some terrible accidents that already happen ? No ! And why ? Because they already make huge investment to make that plants so i can not simple replace by a new better option that appear .
All time the economic interest's will prevail , and that l the reason to continue exist suppression even in a more "friendly" way in our times .
cheers
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What makes you think the Tesla had a FREE ENERGY /OU project or even thought it was possible?
Of course governments have secrets, but there is no evidence of the feasibility of FREE ENERGY /OU.
Thorium is just another energy source, also known as 'fuel'.
It is a fuel and as such has a finite life. However if these batteries were widely available you could say goodbye to fossil fuels and the engines that use those fuels. There's a lot of governments, businesses and people affected by that.
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Its strange. The gov stresses that we need better battery technology and pay for it to be had, and it ends up a wash or sold to china. Batteries are good. But the smaller they are with greater energy storage, the more dangerous. Ever see these vids of lith batts exploding in peoples pockets? Probably faulty, defective, junk or abuse, but the fireworks that come out of some guys pants and it looks like a huge prank. Lots of power in a little magic marker sized package.
Been working on some vape stuff for a guy. These 18650 lithium batts are pretty serious. The ones Im working on are 3ah(but they say 3000ma. ooo big numbers) ;D but deliver max 20a at 3.7v. The heater coil Im messing with is .2ohm. The transistor is pretty cool. IRLB3034PbF. 40vmax 1.4mohm-1.7mohm on resistance. and gobs of amps in a t0220 case.
They have smd transistors less than 1/4x1/4x1/16ht that can handle 150a and no heat sink. They use them in the digital control circuit boards with the little display in the fancy vape models. It allows you to adjust the pwm to set the power to the coil. Some of these boards handle 250w. I see my friend drag a 30w shot and its a small cloud. At 60w its thick n big and lingers. 250w, take a drag and your head pops off I imagine. But looking around for simpler solutions, pwm or high current step up converters are mostly whats out there in info land.
So I did some experiments. A typical simple vape circuit has just a batt, coil in the oil tank, a push button, mosfet and maybe an on and off switch. The pos of the bat goes to the coil, the coil to the fet drain and the source goes to neg of battery. The just use the push button to send pos to the gate and choke. I dont vape.
So I wanted to make just a simple setup with 2 buttons, a hi and lo button set. In the simple circuit there is no pull down resistor on the gate, seems to do it internally.
So I tried a resistor on one button, not much diff. Then added another resistor to ground to make a voltage divider and that lowered the output. Took a bit of tinkering and trials to get it right. It seemed that when I used the voltage divider in diff ratios, at times I was getting more output than with direct + to the gate.. So one button had a divider of different level than the other. But anyway, it works. No fancy shmancy. no pwm 555, just resistors.
Sorry for goin off on a tangent of sorts. These 18650 batts are interesting. Tesla uses Panasonics 18650 in their battery packs. Each pack has 444 cells. Seen on ebay.
Mags
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IRLB3034PbF are good but if you need a mosfet logic level for 100V 10A ? I can't find any to replace tip transistors[/size]
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PhysicsWorld staff (James Dacey (http://physicsworld.com/cws/our-team)) apparently doesn't handle discussions well (https://i.imgur.com/fxRB45e.gif)... - all posts were deleted and article locked for discussion.
Just a few hours after even the team page of PhysicsWorld staff disappeared from (http://i.imgur.com/p0jFeSZ.gif) the web too - it existed there for ten years (http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:physicsworld.com/cws/our-team)!
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I see mass of conspiracist calling the other conspiracist, in france, in US, in EU and else where...
AlainCo (https://www.lenr-forum.com/user/5-alainco/)'s definition of power is :
"whoever obtain a law in his direction"
"whoever can lie without being punished, even admit lying and not being accused of"
"whoever can fraud science, and still be referred by journalists as whistleblower"
"whoever is condemned for fraud to gain and can still be invited by an EU deputy to a conference, and defended by LeMonde, about an imaginary conspiracy endangering thousands of kids, in the middle of an epidemic having killed a dozen of kids befause of this myth convincing more and more people"
"whoever cannot be criticized without a 'how do you dare', you are 'paid by evil money'"
"whoever can convince a population of an imaginary fact, that thousands of scientific studies oppose"
"whoever sell an ideology that have killed 50 people, hospitalized thousands, refusing to amend it's practices, while making a scandal of fraud that wounded nobody"
The power is to the one who cannot be attacked. Thus, if we say who, we will be attacked.
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Found this article as well. Everyone here's probably seen it though.
http://www.panacea-bocaf.org/energysuppression.htm
I think this is a crazy world I live in where one can't make money from a real self running mobile free energy device. But yet people can make billions of an improved battery.
What to do with your self runner? Looks like you just give it away, if you're lucky. Has anyone ever posted detailed circuit & instructions to build a simple self-running device? Just curious. If these mib who have so much power exist then why couldn't they just pull the server down or delete the post or something? Are we all enslaved and don't even know it?
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- Direct patents are right out if you want to retain your IP and work. Your patent application can be sealed and you can be gagged with NSL's. Not only will you not become a millionaire, but are now under surveillance and gagged from continuing your work.
https://www.uspto.gov/web/offices/pac/mpep/s115.html (https://www.uspto.gov/web/offices/pac/mpep/s115.html)
https://www.uspto.gov/web/offices/pac/mpep/s120.html (https://www.uspto.gov/web/offices/pac/mpep/s120.html)
And with oil cartels embedded everywhere you can almost be guaranteed to get gagged going this route.
- International patent authorities may have different restrictions on certain types of patents so that may be a possibility.
- Patenting a system but disguising its true function may also be possible.
- Licensing with a manufacturer might work if you can prove the technology and find a company to mass-produce them. In the end you'd end up selling products that are technically OU but not sold as such. Like Solar Panels that work in the dark or Wind Turbines that spin fast when there is almost no wind. Or high efficiency battery chargers. ::)
- The Open-source Linux route is one possibility. Release the tech, theory, and distribute prototypes in a way that encourages replication. You get funding back by Paypal and Bitcoin, and by selling kits and support calls.
- Anonymous/pseudonymous distribution is also a possibility. Publish plans and diagrams on BitTorrent and add a bitcoin donation address. If/when people replicate the tech and it really takes off, you might receive millions in donations even though nobody knows who you are.
You can still use crypto+bitcoin to prove your identity continue to provide updates to the community, by signing files and messages the same way Wikileaks does.
Whether you go with a public or anonymous route, they both carry risks. If you just want to help the community and distribute the tech, I'd suggest helping out and just pointing people in the right direction in forums like these. No announcement or fanfare, just try to spread the right ideas and get the rest of us all up-to-speed.
Overunity in the end could be a solution to scarcity as we know it. Currencies, governments, society as a whole undergoes a massive realignment when the world becomes flush in cheap *everything*. What use then is making 10 million dollars in a world where money is meaningless?
Cool. crypto+bitcoin ? How secure is that? Wouldn't it be easy for government to find your location? Seems promising. can you transfer that into dollars or you have to spend your millions of bitcoins on coffee at cafes?
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another. very good one. maybe one would be lucky to even get the device open sourced to the world?
http://www.siriusdisclosure.com/100000-star-challenge-and-award/
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"government" became a synonym for "conspiracy", at least here, in the "free" western countries, usa, eu and allies. They're not souvereign countries, but colonies of a network socially established sociopaths, giving us hell on earth.
After all it's the peoples guilt to be such cowards and not getting rid of those parasites.
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They're not souvereign countries, but colonies of a network socially established sociopaths, giving us hell on earth. After all it's the peoples guilt to be such cowards and not getting rid of those parasites.
It's not so simple. How could we get rid of Tinsel Koala for example? This is a model example.
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"How could we get rid of Tinsel Koala for example?" why would you want to? Are you afraid of the straight truth: governments do not suppress energy production from alternative sources (they often subsidize them) such as nuclear, wind, solar, wave and many more.
Of course you'll say: but FE threatens everything. FE (if it existed) would be just another business, with costs involved. If it is not competitive, it will disappear. The FREE part in FE only refers to the energy, not the infrastructure needed to make it viable in the market. The energy in oil, coal, natural gas and any other energy-medium is always FREE; it's the infrastructure needed (plus profit) that you are actually paying for.
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governments do not suppress energy production from alternative sources (they often subsidize them) such as nuclear, wind, solar, wave and many more
I see, just another troll, who doesn't (want to) understand the difference between free energy and nuclear, solar (check his posts history, if you're on doubts)...
How could we get rid of him too?
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Just ignore us, if you are afraid of what we say.
As I said, FE requires just as much infrastructure as conventional energy source.
I am personally involved in what you would call 'FE', although I give it a different name. My concern is not: will it be suppressed or will I be killed, but : can it be scaled up so that it is commercially viable.
The FE cult harms the energy community by screaming SUPPRESSION, instead of demonstration that their contraptions WORK. Maybe YOU are the real trolls...
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Zephir
I believe the language barrier may be involved in some of this.
@ regarding TinselKoala and how you are using this "quote".
What I know to be true is the quote is being taken out of "context" ,the context being that none of the circuits presented "HERE"
utilizing Pancake or other methods ...or any methods presented "HERE" have been shown to develop anomalies of any kind ..once thoroughly examined ,
nor has anyone ever presented anything from You tube or other sources which was shown to develop OU.
and for clarity I mean a clear presentation ..not a jumpy you tube Vid or other poorly supported claim.
At this moment Tinsel is involved in an open source replication attempt of another idea presented here which may or may not pan out.
and he is also helping members here with Their replications of various claims
instead of lighting torches and throwing stones
it would be better if you would post some circuits here which you feel have been overlooked ...
as I said before
there will be replicators lined up out the door....the thirst is great !
respectfully
Chet K
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Just ignore us, if you are afraid of what we say. As I said, FE requires just as much infrastructure as conventional energy source.
I am personally involved in what you would call 'FE', although I give it a different name. My concern is not: will it be suppressed or will I be killed, but : can it be scaled up so that it is commercially viable. The FE cult harms the energy community by screaming SUPPRESSION, instead of demonstration that their contraptions WORK. Maybe YOU are the real trolls...
Why I should ignore these posts of yours? We are in OVERUNITY forum, if you didn't realize it?
Of course you'll say: but Free Energy threatens everything. Free Energy (if it existed) would be just another business, with costs involved. If it is not competitive, it will disappear. The FREE part in Free Energy only reFree Energyrs to the energy, not the infrastructure needed to make it viable in the market. The energy in oil, coal, natural gas and any other energy-medium is always FREE; it's the infrastructure needed (plus profit) that you are actually paying for. Show me ONE actual device (not a youtube video or patent application or pdf or claim) that uses these principles. "What do we get if we DEVELOP and ADD ADDITIONAL "ENERGY" exceeding the very real losses at every such conversion we currently accept as just the way it is?" that is a speculation, not a fact. There is NO evidence that this can/does occur.
"The only limits as to how much Kinetic Energy can be developed are our own thinking and the physical structural limits of matter we have available to place in motion." again, you make a statement without backing it with evidence or proof. LoT1 states: "the total energy of an isolated system is constant; energy can be transformed from one form to another, but neither can it be created nor it can be destroyed." note that the word 'develop' is not used.
"Government suppression of Free Energy" What does not exist cannot be suppressed. Sorry Chet; that device fails, as do all similar devices. A force without displacement is not power.
Zeitmaschine: capacitors/condensers do NOT amplify power or energy. Neither do gears, pulleys, flywheels. NOTHING does. You can change energy but not generate it. I personally am not interested in the traditional 'OU' ideas involving gravity, buoancy, flywheels, magnets etc, as I see them as dead ends. Involving kids in critical thinking is great (adults too!). What makes you think the Tesla had a FREE ENERGY /OU project or even thought it was possible? Of course governments have secrets, but there is no evidence of the Free Energyasibility of FREE ENERGY /OU.
Why people supporting the Free Energy should be called the trolls here, whereas the people denying it in every post are claiming themselves a supporters of it? It goes over my head. This forum is infested with deniers, because its moderators don't do their work (being also deniers in disguise).
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At this moment Tinsel is involved in an open source replication attempt of another idea presented here which may or may not pan out.
LOL, which one? He did say openly, he doesn't believe in Free Energy in the same way, like you.
and he is also helping members here with Their replications of various claims
How he can help them if he doesn't believe in it? He only misleads them.
The suppression of Free Energy starts just here - at your very level.
Don't you think, it's time for both of you to fu*k off finally from there?
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governments do not suppress energy production from alternative sources (they often subsidize them) such as nuclear, wind, solar, wave and many more.
I think that's a highly unlikely statement regarding what most at this website are striving for. A portable wireless device that can produce thousands of watts endlessly would in the very least end big oil. I couldn't imagine any notable economist saying that in itself would not cause catastrophic chaos to the global economy.
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My 2 cents. I don't know this Tinsel but if his goal is intently driven to debunk something then it's been my experience that such people will usually succeed regardless if they find truth. It's easy for one to become biased, cherry picking data, taking preferred paths.
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Zephir
Lighting fires elsewhere and pointing/blame to other people is an old and tiring act
and then to get Vulgar too ....... Tactics not used by a man with a strong argument.
here we search and look and will never stop looking ,if you have something positive to contribute ?
please do.
otherwise you are getting lost in the noise...
@Theoretical research
there has NEVER [Not Once] been just one experimenter here to investigate a claim and dismiss it for the group,
we have tons of replicators who join in [for a valid well presented OU claim or any anomaly claim.
we are after all very hungry here for a true claim, and contrary to what Zephir has stated ... all who BUILD and experiment here
believe in the potential for success, ....especially the Koala.
Zephir is a word twister and obviously gets squirmy and Vulgar when asked to back up his claims ....
he is not the first to act this way ,we see this all too often ...
respectfully
Chet K
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Thank you webby1, Chet K, MileHigh, TK and some others.
I am not here to make friends (although that is sometimes a happy byproduct). The reason that I am here is to learn and contribute. The late Mark E. was a role model for me. I do contribute to experimenters even when I am sure they won't succeed; just getting a new point of view can be helpful.
I'll continue to be here until I decide otherwise.
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I think that's a highly unlikely statement regarding what most at this website are striving for. A portable wireless device that can produce thousands of watts endlessly would in the very least end big oil. I couldn't imagine any notable economist saying that in itself would not cause catastrophic chaos to the global economy.
Well the good news is solar energy is a form of free energy. Millions of people can now have free electricity in their homes often subsidized by the government. Free energy is just that, a way of harvesting energy where the fuel source has no cost, like solar, wind etc.
I also agree it is possible to harvest energy from the atmosphere, how much I am not so sure. Tesla never harvested free energy or overunity, he did however transmit electricity through the atmosphere. That had to be generated from a power station, and someone has to pay for that. The reason the technology was not adapted was anyone could take it as there was no way of billing for it.
Mark E was and TK is people who care and wish to remove the veil of ignorance that hides the real truth. I knew Mark E in person and he would always to take the time to explain complex science in a simple way to anyone. He was a kind caring person.
Big oil now is one of the largest investors in solar, wind and other free energy technologies, they know there is a limited supply and times are changing.
Kind Regards
Mark
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Solar is a nice form of clean energy in many areas of the globe on clear sunny days, but I never once thought it would ever put big oil out of business. Maybe big oil is smart for investing in solar. It's something they can sell, I guess. The technology I'm talking about will put big oil out of business because they won't be able to sell it. Maybe big oil should look elsewhere for money. Maybe car manufacturing or something.
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I do contribute to experimenters even when I am sure they won't succeed; just getting a new point of view can be helpful.
But how do you know for certain they'll fail? Maybe they'll discover an anomaly. Mainstream science still doesn't know a lot. They don't have a clue what really causes gravity and magnetic fields. For all they know gravity could be the acceleration & flow of space itself into singularities we call mass. And magnetic fields could be a vortex of space flow. LOL just saying.
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we are after all very hungry here for a true claim, and contrary to what Zephir has stated. Millions of people can now have free electricity in their homes often subsidized by the government. Free energy is just that, a way of harvesting energy where the fuel source has no cost, like solar, wind etc
Twisting the concepts is what you're doing here instead of me. The free energy was never solar, wind and similar stuff - especially not when its subsidized with government (from money of tax payers, the government never gives something for free, it only takes the money) and it's common governmental tactic to present it so
"Big oil now is one of the largest investors in solar, wind and other free energy technologies, they know there is a limited supply" because the usage of renewables actually increases the net demand for fossil sources. They just generate more profit in this way.
"Tesla never harvested free energy or overunity" - this is another lie of propagandist deniers. Every sentence of your is very common tactic of Free Energy deniers. The suppression of Free Energy starts just here - with propaganda and lies of people like you here.
You're asked to leave this forum now.
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"Tesla never harvested free energy or overunity" - this is another lie of propagandist deniers
The suppression of Free Energy starts just here - with propaganda and lies of people like you here.
You're asked to leave this forum now.
You may have noticed I have over 1440 posts over a number of years, I have no intention of going anywhere lol.
Please reference where Tesla harvested free energy, overunity or zero point energy. He did however transmit electricity or energy very well and his technology is being revived to today for charging cell phones and inductive charging of electric vehicles. I have read many historical texts on Tesla and he truly was a genius and great inventor, however he would be the first to rebuke anything that could not be supported by data, peer review and scientific methodology. It is a disgrace people misuse his name as they do.
If you can clearly demonstrate where I have lied I happy to be corrected. I have been involved for many years searching for the truth with free energy claims having tested or examined many claims in person worldwide. I will celebrate the day when I can find one that lives up to its claims.
It is unfortunate that many fraudsters take advantage of popularity remarks like suppression, propaganda etc. You need to ask yourself the question why have people like Elon musk not only been allowed to developed mass produced electric vehicles, but also install solar panels to recharge them. Nothing in it for big oil. So why are people like Musk allowed to do this? Big oil are one of the biggest investors in solar and wind The Middle eastern countries are investing heavily is Solar.
Some of the biggest corporations in the world are switching to solar and wind energy in growing numbers leading the way.
So here is my question. a free energy device will be require to harvest and convert a source of energy. What is the difference between this and a solar panel, wind mill or Rf energy harvester??? You still need an energy source (which is free) and a machine or technology to convert it into a usable form of work?
Millions of people worldwide are of the grid using solar and wind or grid connected still greatly reducing their energy bills. In some cases being paid. This is called energy independence and has nothing to do with big oil. In fact they can purchase an electric car and run it of solar energy.
More importantly it is often subsidized by governments, not suppressed.
Perhaps you need to find a forum dealing with conspiracy. You may be happier there.
Without prejudice and kindest regards
Mark
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Is that you Mark, you know Ken K and used to go along to ASTRO SA years ago?
I agree with your last post except on Tesla. The technology that you say is being revived to today for charging cell phones and inductive charging EV’s and your toothbrush, isn’t really what Tesla did or had in mind for the mode of operation with his apparatus. It is basically 180 degrees the other way, it’s the reflected displacement current (neutral terminal) which Tesla used to transmit power via the Earth. Using this mode of operation & resonant “pings” with the Earth itself, this seemed to couple his system with the electrical circuit of the Earth itself. – So that additional energy was then extracted via his apparatus. – But that additional energy didn’t come from no-where, it came from the Earth itself. So that was the source of the so called free energy.
It’s finding free sources to tap into via our technology. Maybe there are unknown, untapped sources yet to discover?
Sure, it isn’t necessarily government suppression, (unless it has military uses) but big business, & corporations. “They” lead research because they have the funding and resources to do so, but it is often not brought to market. It wouldn’t be so, or to bring quick change to the world except for the likes of Elon, pushing the cart forwards faster than others would like. – So now "they" have to copy and move faster to keep up, or become left behind. - Technology that would drastically & quickly change things is held back by corporations (and regulated via governments) - It’s a very, very slow drip feed that’s allowed and that is all.
Sputins.
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You need to ask yourself the question why have people like Elon musk not only been allowed to developed mass produced electric vehicles, but also install solar panels to recharge them. Nothing in it for big oil. So why are people like Musk allowed to do this? Big oil are one of the biggest investors in solar and wind The Middle eastern countries are investing heavily is Solar.
Good question! I'm very interested to see if Elon Musk's solar home roof plan takes off. It's it true that so far solar power hasn't taken down big oil? Honestly I've lost count over the years how many people have voiced their disappointment on solar power. A decade ago I thought for sure solar panels were going to explode in popularity. I live in sunny california, but yet I don't know of a single house around here that has solar panels. Sad.
Hopefully Elon Musk can do it. Time will tell. If he succeeds, then that answers one of my questions if people have been killed to stop what most people at this site are trying to achieve. If big oil is not trying to suppress free energy, then I have a 2nd question. Is the government trying to suppress the actual physics behind such technology. The hell with free energy. Maybe big brother don't care about big oil. Maybe big brother knows about the physics that's beyond quantum physics. All I know is that I would be afraid to death to try to publish such technology. I used to be concerned that this tech could be used to develop weapons of mass destruction for terrorists. Lately I've decided, what the hell. This endless game is getting old. Humanity is about to leave this nest that we call Earth. We'll survive. Let it all rip. There will always be wars. It seems the harder one tries to avoid problems the more trouble they find, no?
In short, let it flow. Best advice someone ever gave me.
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Good question! I'm very interested to see if Elon Musk's solar home roof plan takes off. It's it true that so far solar power hasn't taken down big oil? Honestly I've lost count over the years how many people have voiced their disappointment on solar power. A decade ago I thought for sure solar panels were going to explode in popularity. I live in sunny california, but yet I don't know of a single house around here that has solar panels. Sad.
Hopefully Elon Musk can do it. Time will tell. If he succeeds, then that answers one of my questions if people have been killed to stop what most people at this site are trying to achieve. If big oil is not trying to suppress free energy, then I have a 2nd question. Is the government trying to suppress the actual physics behind such technology. The hell with free energy. Maybe big brother don't care about big oil. Maybe big brother knows about the physics that's beyond quantum physics. All I know is that I would be afraid to death to try to publish such technology. I used to be concerned that this tech could be used to develop weapons of mass destruction for terrorists. Lately I've decided, what the hell. This endless game is getting old. Humanity is about to leave this nest that we call Earth. We'll survive. Let it all rip. There will always be wars. It seems the harder one tries to avoid problems the more trouble they find, no?
In short, let it flow. Best advice someone ever gave me.
Some good advice you were given
The extent solar energy has been taken up is dependent on government policy and the will of the people. In many countries like South Australia over 20% of the houses have solar PV, wind power accounts for anotehr 30% of the power and huge solar farms are being constructed as well. In countries like Germany, China, solar is also being expanded at a exponential rate. I am perhaps an optimist.
Kind regards
Mark
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Is that you Mark, you know Ken K and used to go along to ASTRO SA years ago?
I agree with your last post except on Tesla. The technology that you say is being revived to today for charging cell phones and inductive charging EV’s and your toothbrush, isn’t really what Tesla did or had in mind for the mode of operation with his apparatus. It is basically 180 degrees the other way, it’s the reflected displacement current (neutral terminal) which Tesla used to transmit power via the Earth. Using this mode of operation & resonant “pings” with the Earth itself, this seemed to couple his system with the electrical circuit of the Earth itself. – So that additional energy was then extracted via his apparatus. – But that additional energy didn’t come from no-where, it came from the Earth itself. So that was the source of the so called free energy.
It’s finding free sources to tap into via our technology. Maybe there are unknown, untapped sources yet to discover?
Sure, it isn’t necessarily government suppression, (unless it has military uses) but big business, & corporations. “They” lead research because they have the funding and resources to do so, but it is often not brought to market. It wouldn’t be so, or to bring quick change to the world except for the likes of Elon, pushing the cart forwards faster than others would like. – So now "they" have to copy and move faster to keep up, or become left behind. - Technology that would drastically & quickly change things is held back by corporations (and regulated via governments) - It’s a very, very slow drip feed that’s allowed and that is all.
Sputins.
I know Ken K but I think it was another Mark that went to the Astro meetings
I agree there may be unknown sources to be tapped into.
I am happy to be corrected on Tesla. I was not aware of my studies where he claimed to be getting and energy gain. Please direct me to those studies or patents of his.
I think South Australia is a good example of the uptake of renewable energy. They have problems but it is a remarkable achievement so far., Cheap energy storage will promote expedential grown in free energy technologies.
Kind Regards
Mark
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South Australia over 20% of the houses have solar PV
That caught my attention. Are you talking about actual homes that have solar panels, or just that they buy power that comes from solar farms? So I really wanted to know which took me to google since they seem to have the latest sky photos. Here's a photo of Port Lincoln (South Australia), Australia. It looked like the biggest city I could quickly see in hopes it would be likely to have solar panels on the homes. But I don't see a single home there would solar panels lol. If you know of a city that has even close to 20% then please let me know. I'm seriously trying to find out if this suppression stuff is correct or at least partially correct. So far it seems odd to me that even solar powered homes are a rarity.
https://www.google.com/maps/place/Port+Lincoln+SA+5606,+Australia/@-34.7327764,135.8504315,246m/data=!3m1!1e3!4m13!1m7!3m6!1s0x6aa7589e5be8c7f3:0xdb7e79993dfad0d8!2sSouth+Australia,+Australia!3b1!8m2!3d-30.0002315!4d136.2091547!3m4!1s0x6aabc3c4c226fb85:0x5033654628eff00!8m2!3d-34.7280697!4d135.8514404
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Is that you Mark, you know Ken K and used to go along to ASTRO SA years ago?
I agree with your last post except on Tesla. The technology that you say is being revived to today for charging cell phones and inductive charging EV’s and your toothbrush, isn’t really what Tesla did or had in mind for the mode of operation with his apparatus. It is basically 180 degrees the other way, it’s the reflected displacement current (neutral terminal) which Tesla used to transmit power via the Earth. Using this mode of operation & resonant “pings” with the Earth itself, this seemed to couple his system with the electrical circuit of the Earth itself. – So that additional energy was then extracted via his apparatus. – But that additional energy didn’t come from no-where, it came from the Earth itself. So that was the source of the so called free energy.
It’s finding free sources to tap into via our technology. Maybe there are unknown, untapped sources yet to discover?
Sure, it isn’t necessarily government suppression, (unless it has military uses) but big business, & corporations. “They” lead research because they have the funding and resources to do so, but it is often not brought to market. It wouldn’t be so, or to bring quick change to the world except for the likes of Elon, pushing the cart forwards faster than others would like. – So now "they" have to copy and move faster to keep up, or become left behind. - Technology that would drastically & quickly change things is held back by corporations (and regulated via governments) - It’s a very, very slow drip feed that’s allowed and that is all.
Sputins.
I have not seen any words from Tesla stating he got any "extra" energy from the Earth. In fact I include a quote From a pre trial interview where
he states he could run a 10000 hp plant with no more loss than 100 hp. Still a loss. Please show proof of Tesla actually stating the existence of
some extra energy from his transmitter.
Below is a quote from the book- "Tesla on his work with alternating currents". The Quote I took is a not far below figure 82, third paragraph
about half way through.
Link- http://www.tfcbooks.com/tesla/nt_on_ac.htm#043
Theoretically, it does not take much effort to maintain the earth in electrical vibration. I have, in fact, worked out a plant of 10,000 horse-power which would operate with no bigger loss than 1 percent of the whole power applied; that is, with the exception of the frictional energy that is consumed in the rotation of the engines and the heating of the conductors, I would not lose more than 1 percent. In other words, if I have a 10,000 horsepower plant, it would take only 100 horsepower to keep the earth vibrating so long as there is no energy taken out at any other place.
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Hi Again
I hope the following is usefull
its actually over 20% PV on household roofs. My niece is one of them with a 2.5 kw system.
In addition they have over 30% of the electricity generated by wind and the last coal fired power station is shutting down in the next 18 months.
They have also just announced the worlds largest solar + battery storage farm in the world.
http://reneweconomy.com.au/worlds-biggest-solar-battery-storage-plant-ready-to-build-in-sa-63777/
On a good day in summer they have met 100% of their energy needs using renewable energy.
The state government also has put our a tender for 100MW battery storage. (Elon Musk offered to do it in 100 days)
The federal government has proposed a pumped hydro scheme to allow more renewable energy options (2000MW)
Basically they are on track to eventually get 100% renewable energy. They just need more storage . The largest city there called Adelaide is offering subsidies to put in storage for householders like the power walls.
Like I said its about the will of the people and good government policy
Kind Regards
Mark
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I have not seen any words from Tesla stating he got any "extra" energy from the Earth. In fact I include a quote From a pre trial interview where
he states he could run a 10000 hp plant with no more loss than 100 hp. Still a loss. Please show proof of Tesla actually stating the existence of
some extra energy from his transmitter.
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I read up on Tesla a lot and can not recall where he ever claimed extra energy. He did claim 97% plus efficiency.
He was his own worse enemy when it came to commerce, either not following up on commercialization of his own patents and he tore up the Westinghouse royalty agreement. They were happy to pay a royalty, they just wanted a reasonable rate.
"Tesla was grateful to Westinghouse for believing in him when no one else would. By tearing up the contract and relinquishing his royalties, Tesla single-handedly saved the Westinghouse Electric company. In return, Westinghouse paid Tesla a $216,000 lump sum for the right to use his AC patents in perpetuity (that's worth roughly $5.4 million today)."[/font][/size]
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Tesla never said that excess energy comes from his magnifying transmitter or single wire transmission. He said once that there are two methods of obtaining energy from ambient medium. That's what he did.
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Tesla allegedly constructed multiple overunity devices, for example the car (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nikola_Tesla_electric_car_hoax). Supported by the Pierce-Arrow Co. and General Electric in 1931, Tesla took the gasoline engine from a new Pierce-Arrow and replaced it with an 80-horsepowerelectric motor with no external power source. At a local radio supply shop he bought 12 vacuum tubes, some wires and assorted resistors, and assembled them in a circuit box 24 inches long, 12 inches wide and 6 inches high, with a pair of 3-inch rods sticking out. Getting into the car with the circuit box in the front seat beside him, he pushed the rods in, announced, “We now have power,” and proceeded to test drive the car for a full week, often at speeds of up to 90 mph. His car was never plugged into any electrical receptacle for a recharge.
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Getting into the car with the circuit box in the front seat beside him, he pushed the rods in, announced, “We now have power,” and proceeded to test drive the car for a full week, often at speeds of up to 90 mph. His car was never plugged into any electrical receptacle for a recharge.
There's probably some truth to that account although it seems over time some facts got distorted. The reason for my reply is that design of two rods (I recall they were parallel to each other) has the two magic ingredients, C & L in one.
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"allegedly" Tesla did ... fill in the blank.
I have never seen an analysis of the potential harmful effect to the earth of Tesla's ideas of using the earth the way it was proposed.
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So I have to ask everyone's honest opinion on a hypothetical question. What do you think Elon Musk would say if I went to SpaceX or Tesla and handed him a legit solid-state self-running fist size device that produces a kilowatt non-stop?
a) Kick me out of the building
b) Laugh at me
c) Call the MIBs
d) Write me a big check
e) Say he doesn't have time to look at it
f) Ask me to leave it there for his team analyze it
g) Other
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I think it would be a number of those in the following order:
B, then E, then say, “no wait”, F, then A, then C.
I just finished listening to someone with the opinion that there are two realms here, “our realm” and the other the “classified realm” when dealing with new technology.
Free energy, in whatever form won’t be allowed into our realm until there is total surveillance and control over the masses, which is now close to being achieved, hence the allowance and acceptance of renewable (free) energy is now ever increasing, but so is the surveillance. – (This was not my opinion, only relaying what was said to me, but is sounds about right to me).
It would be great to know about the technology existing within the classified realm – but it’s classified. I’m sure any successful attempt that uncovers the principals of operation or replicates devices within the classified realm, would be met with a large sledge hammer of various flavours, so to speak.
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I think it would be a number of those in the following order:
B, then E, then say, “no wait”, F, then A, then C.
LOL I figured it would be something complex like that. After all Elon's a complex kinda guy. An insider told me that he can be very cold at times. I'm glad he's alive, though. I went to SpaceX, once. The parking lot guy gave me a hard time for getting to close to the standing rocket outside. Not sure if I could even get within a 100 foot radius of Elon. I wouldn't bring the device at first for fear they might take it and call the cops on me. Maybe there's a front desk? So I would walk up to the desk:
Me: (clears throat) ... (engine revving) ... Excuse me, I have a device the size of my fist that can run forever by itself. It can power your refrigerator.
Front desk lady: (nervously twitches) Oh. That's nice, hun....How can I help you?
Me: I'd like to see Elon Musk.
Front desk lady: You need to call and make an appointment.
Me: I don't want to talk about the device over the phone. The government announced they have computers listening for key words.
Front desk lady: (takes a few steps backward) Hold on while I call someone. .... Magnus, I have a guy at the desk. Code 73.
Me: (waiting, nervously) (suddenly I see a 7 foot 350 lb. mountain body builder walking my way) Oh that's okay. I'll come back later.
I just finished listening to someone with the opinion that there are two realms here, “our realm” and the other the “classified realm” when dealing with new technology.
Free energy, in whatever form won’t be allowed into our realm until there is total surveillance and control over the masses, which is now close to being achieved, hence the allowance and acceptance of renewable (free) energy is now ever increasing, but so is the surveillance. – (This was not my opinion, only relaying what was said to me, but is sounds about right to me).
It would be great to know about the technology existing within the classified realm – but it’s classified. I’m sure any successful attempt that uncovers the principals of operation or replicates devices within the classified realm, would be met with a large sledge hammer of various flavours, so to speak.
Interesting. That reminds me of Simulation theory and the various Matrix theories, which I'm a huge fan of. Mainstream is researching Simulation hypothesis, which many say should now be a theory. I personally think it's unlikely that it's anything like our modern day computers, but me and other academics believe we are most likely existing in some sort of simulation even if it is more like an analog/digital combo type of simulation.
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The state government also has put our a tender for 100MW battery storage. (Elon Musk offered to do it in 100 days)
Basically they are on track to eventually get 100% renewable energy. They just need more storage . The largest city there called Adelaide is offering subsidies to put in storage for householders like the power walls.
Like I said its about the will of the people and good government policy
Kind Regards
Mark
Yes, but Elon however didn’t speak to the state politicians… Elon speaks directly to the Prime Minister, that’s how he rolls…
Depending on what system the state gov were / are offering up to $5K rebate on battery storage systems, at least that was what was the news 6 to 9 months ago or so. – So that is a big incentive to buy your own house hold solar and battery storage system.
Other countries I’ve heard are the opposite and have many dis-incentives towards stand-alone house hold power systems.
The term or concept of being "off-grid" is not really welcome either it would seem. They still want you to be connected to the grid…
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Russia is ahead, suppression and development, free energy technologies!
Decree of the President of the Russian Federation of May 13, 2017 No. 208
"On the Strategy of Economic Security of the Russian Federation for the Period to 2030"
Section II "Challenges and threats to economic security"
12. The main challenges and threats to economic security
relate:
6) the change in the structure of global demand for energy resources and
The structure of their consumption, the development of energy-saving technologies and
Reduction of material consumption, development of "green technologies";
http://kremlin.ru/acts/bank/41921
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"I'm curious, has anyone here been harassed by the
government regarding free energy research?"
Voluntarily harrased by a kunt-competitor..definitely a wasp,65-69yrs old,somewhat impotent,overweight.I don't know if a government used it or if it used a government
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"I'm curious, has anyone here been harassed by the
government regarding free energy research?"
Voluntarily harrased by a kunt-competitor..definitely a wasp,65-69yrs old,somewhat impotent,overweight.I don't know if a government used it or if it used a government
http://www.theorionproject.org/Energy.pdf
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I think it used its government for its own benefit
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"Here's an interesting article that
seems to question if citizens could sell or market
a free energy machine."
They absolutely can,but they must work for a corporation or gov (same thing).I was kuntized before I could do this
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https://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Free_Energy_does_not_Exist (https://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Free_Energy_does_not_Exist)
The link, above, has been found to be offensive to someone's sensibilities (https://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Wikibooks:Requests_for_deletion#Free_Energy_does_not_Exist). Ouch!
"This is original research of the most egregious kind trying to pretend that the laws of physics are a fantasy. It doesn't belong here."
Backed up here (https://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/User:Vinyasi/sandbox).
And here. (https://www.researchgate.net/publication/364213075_Free_energy_does_not_exist)
And attached, below.
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Follow me , fossil energy companies have had close association with CPs or parts of CP ! They took the pretext of protecting CP's existence as a hostage for their own existence ! But they always talk about climate change, environmental pollution...
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Follow me , fossil energy companies have had close association with CPs or parts of CP ! They took the pretext of protecting CP's existence as a hostage for their own existence ! But they always talk about climate change, environmental pollution...
WTF is CP ? Cerebral palsy ?
If you think free energy cant be harvested you must be a liar, So whats that heat (radiation)
coming from the sun ? and what a solar panel do with it, any way petroleum aint a fossil fuel
it's an abuse of facts. And then there is all this stuff about energy from the background coming
in and going out of existence, unless governments and there secret controllers wake up there
wont be any of what you refer to as plebs to rip off left unless your a man from Atlantis ;D ;D