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sm0ky2

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Re: The bifilar pancake coil at its resonant frequency
« Reply #1620 on: November 21, 2021, 09:06:03 PM »
I have several circuits that TK built
i (sort of) understand the principal


To me it seems just like when you have 2 tuning forks
Each on a resonator box (just a rectangle tube of the right size)


Ring one (sound is amplified by the box)
The other starts ringing (and its’ box makes its’ own sound)


Theres a giant one in operation here in Texas
The tower is plugged into the mains (where his power meter is)


And at least 3 buildings (several acres apart)
have smaller receiver towers that draw power to operate the facility.
set up in an arc around the large tower

Getting the signal in and out is exactly like the way we broadcast radio
or cell phone signals


All the mystery is in tuning that to the coils, or a suitable octave
 

stivep

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Re: The bifilar pancake coil at its resonant frequency
« Reply #1621 on: November 21, 2021, 11:10:22 PM »
It looks guys you have fun here.
Honestly  when I read your comments I feel like  moved into some form  of surrealistic environment 
where  I understand nothing, but everyone there  is closely associated with that form  of Surrealism - they understand a lot .
I didn't  really come here to to express  unfavorable opinion of the worth or quality,  blame, censure, condemn.. otherwise known as criticism.
( especially  comments of some Russian  responders)
But with all do respect:
- one may lose an "erection"  and become temporarily "impotent"  brainwise applying  critical thinking
to comment like this:
Hello. From my experience it is clear that there are longitudinal waves, so there is longitudinal resonance in any coil with or without a magnetic core.
It is different from the resonance of L C. Anyone who plays with frequencies lower than 1Mhz can discover it.
Quantum physics and quantum mechanics do not exist
and are the inventions of frustrated scientists that the universe in which they live does not match reality.
 Another invented word that saves ignorance is: big bang.
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Simple question Ivo, evostars, Master Ivo  and others.
Where is a gain ?
and
Is there a gain if any in  your , theory, practical experience  measured in W or  Joules or any  other units,
when compared: the energy IN vs energy OUT.?


I'm sorry but  being in physics for 32 years now I can see  gain in situations like this:
-young girl is gaining in wealthy marriage- nothing wrong in it.
- use of small amount of energy allows to gain access,  the another source of energy to work for me.
  e.g energy used to open  valve  on the pipe with water connected  to the river-flow is small but we can  use the
  water flow  from now for free. (and yes- that is your  FE.)

 and so on.....

The yet  another question is :
What  is your gain.... in all of it?

Wesley


 
 
 
« Last Edit: November 22, 2021, 02:43:31 AM by stivep »

onepower

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Re: The bifilar pancake coil at its resonant frequency
« Reply #1622 on: November 22, 2021, 01:06:35 AM »
stivep
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Where is a gain ?
and
Is there a gain if any in  your , theory, practical experience  measured in W or  Joules or any  other units,
when compared: the energy IN vs energy OUT.?

There lies the question and the answer is kind of funny...
It took me around a decade to figure it all out and my conclusion was there is no gain.

Think of it this way, if we burn an apple we can expect a small amount of chemical energy to be transformed. However if the mass of the same apple underwent a fusion process we could power a large city for years. The apple is the only input in both examples and yet the supposed energy output is different by many orders of magnitude.

Now we could ask where is the gain?, there is no gain and we are simply transforming more of the energy already present in the system.

I think you hit on the actual problem and it relates to the primitive "energy IN vs energy OUT" mindset. Energy is conserved and can only be transformed thus there is no "in versus out" only transformations. Nothing is destroyed or can be lost and nothing is created or gained... only transformed.

If we want to understand free energy then the questions we need to ask are what is Energy and how many ways can it be transformed?.

Regards
AC




stivep

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Re: The bifilar pancake coil at its resonant frequency
« Reply #1623 on: November 22, 2021, 01:50:52 AM »
if we burn an apple we can expect a small amount of chemical energy to be transformed. However if the mass of the same apple underwent a fusion process we could power a large city for years.
It is coupling to energy of  another energy source . the gain  is with "riding someone else horse"
I said exactly the same:
e.g energy used to open  valve  on the pipe with water connected  to the river-flow is small but we can  use the
 water flow  from now for free. (and yes- that is your  FE.)
But this is not what I was asking  for.
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This is what I'm talking about and asking for:
Example:
Master Ivo makes a video showing circuit in mosfets..cancelling two signals in 180 degrees .. well ..fine with me.
Whatever wording he uses, colliding or not with official physics......... well ..fine with me. I don't care much about it.
-and yes sometime some comments are oddly funny to the physicists..
Example:
longitudinal magneto dielectric wave/mode https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qxyf-L48Y8k  :) (By Master Ivo)
What the heck  is it.? Show me    a link to it (by credible sources.)
Read this as an example of credible source:
https://www.bnl.gov/isd/documents/94101.pdf




But on the other hand curiosity is pushing me to ask.
What is this entire nonsense for?
and yes it makes some sense  or perfect sense to some  of  you ...
and I want to know why.


So I'm asking simple  question :

Ivo, evostars, Master Ivo  and others.
Where is a gain ?
and
Is there a gain if any in  your , theory, practical experience measured in W or  Joules or any  other units,
when compared: the energy IN vs energy OUT.?
And if you coupled to another energy source during a conversion than what is your gain  IN/OUT.

or simpler to ask:
did you ever see any gain measured in W or  Joules or any  other units, in your "romantic comedy of science?"




Wesley

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Re: The bifilar pancake coil at its resonant frequency
« Reply #1624 on: November 22, 2021, 02:36:41 PM »
In the essence the question " where is the gain?" can be transformed into a question " what is the source of energy we are trying to tap?" and the only successful route is to ask and answer those questions. Steven Mark and a few ones like Perrigo, Hendershot, Hubbard answer that and they coincide with each other answer. I found also other question and yes - there is answer too. This another question was asked and answered by Clemente Figuera and later by D'Angelo and Alexander and probably many others.Here is some "laws" which should be studied in next decade (because except atomic energy and pv or wind energy there is no other sources so promising and so available to the masses)

1. Magnetic field is the source of energy - the only problem is the method to use it

2. Magnetic fields are nested
3. Earth magnetic field is dynamic and contain huge amount of energy uniformly spreaded

onepower

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Re: The bifilar pancake coil at its resonant frequency
« Reply #1625 on: November 22, 2021, 06:06:31 PM »
Forest
Where does the energy come from?.
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1. Magnetic field is the source of energy - the only problem is the method to use it
2. Magnetic fields are nested
3. Earth magnetic field is dynamic and contain huge amount of energy uniformly spreaded

I came to a different conclusion based on the fact that magnetic fields are produced by moving charges. Therefore all energy must relate directly to the motion of charged particles. I suspect everyone including myself will be proven wrong in the future because charged particles are supposedly made of even smaller particles mostly unknown to us. 

Here is a strange thought, we know 99% of outer space is a perfect vacuum and 99% of inner space is also a perfect vacuum. This is true for several reasons, first we cannot fit an atom inside another atom therefore the space between the Proton-Electrons must be a vacuum. Thus we always find a perfect vacuum in every space wherever particles are not present.

99% of the universe is a perfect vacuum and what we call material/matter a fog of charged particles in perpetual motion within the vacuum. Think about that, the universe is like a very large vacuum tube and everything we call material a plasma of charged particles moving near the speed of light. In this respect we are beings almost entirely made up of energy...we are literally the thing we seek.

As such I have little interest in magnetic fields and they are simply an artifact of what happens when charged particles move. As well, my first working free energy device was based on the premise of inhibiting or removing all magnetic fields. As Viktor Schauberger once said...do the opposite of what everyone else does and you will be on the right track. Which should be obvious and if everyone else is failing we should not be following...

Regards
AC


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Re: The bifilar pancake coil at its resonant frequency
« Reply #1626 on: November 27, 2021, 05:34:54 PM »
Stivep
 
Where is the gain?.

That's like asking Microsoft where is the code or SpaceX where are your plans?. It's intellectual property silly and you will probably never see it. I mean you don't honestly think anyone would just give it to you do you, lol.

I know many people with working technology and most are consulting on the technology or gearing up for production. Hell, you may be able to buy a free energy device off the shelf at Walmart soon.

However as far as someone just giving you the technology I can't see that happening...why would they?.

AC

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Re: The bifilar pancake coil at its resonant frequency
« Reply #1627 on: November 27, 2021, 06:10:34 PM »
My question was not related to intellectual property but to  mechanism of energy extraction.
The only way to get more OUT than IN is when  initial energy IN  is  used to release energy from another source
similar to opening valve .
example:
Energy of the  sun is with losses converted to  electrical energy.
 - our energy IN was used to make solar panel.

Energy from  the river carried on by the water pipe  is released  by valve on the pipe.
 - our energy IN was used to open the valve.

Energy  in process of Energy Extraction from Schumann Waveguide  is transferred to the interface   Earth/Air.
 - our energy IN was used to make receiver and tune it according to Dr Corum from Viziv.

So the question still reminds open:
Where the energy  comes from ? .
Where is the gain?.
-in your  romantic comedy  with  science of Energy
You don't need to give me any secrets at all.

Wesley

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Re: The bifilar pancake coil at its resonant frequency
« Reply #1628 on: November 27, 2021, 07:07:38 PM »
Wesley . Possible sources
1. McFrey theory of atomic transmutation in strong magnetic field
2. Some hidden slow-wave (or Tesla wave) military transmitter (probably located  in Russia or US). Very unlikely, because receiver require sharp tuning
3. Radiant energy
4. Magnetic field from quanta spin of electrons
Personally I vote for 3 and 4, especially when you understand what is radiant energy

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Re: The bifilar pancake coil at its resonant frequency
« Reply #1629 on: November 28, 2021, 10:05:36 AM »
Ale zaleciało para-ezoteryką, żadne z powyższych, w stosunku do zwykłej cewki płaskiej różni się jedynie indukcyjnością wzajemną między-zwojową.
« Last Edit: November 28, 2021, 01:49:22 PM by lukaszkwiatkowskii »

onepower

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Re: The bifilar pancake coil at its resonant frequency
« Reply #1630 on: November 29, 2021, 06:01:38 PM »
Stivep

It's hard to understand what your trying to say because your jumping all over the place conceptually. 

It sounds like your speaking about the exact mechanism for gain not where energy comes from. Why didn't you just say what is the mechanism for gain in the first place?.

As I said prior, all the inventors patent or disclose circuits or devices however the exact mechanism for gain is intellectual property and never fully disclosed. Logically if they did disclose it we wouldn't be having this conversation. I'm no different, I'm an inventor but won't give you my work because it's my intellectual property and has great value. Is that so hard to understand?.

It seems to me your implying all the real inventors should just give you all there hard work for free which is kind of naive. That's kind of like me saying I want your house, I want it therefore you should give it to me just because I'm me, lol. That's just silly and not how the real world works.

Regards
AC

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Re: The bifilar pancake coil at its resonant frequency
« Reply #1631 on: December 01, 2021, 07:53:31 PM »
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So the question still reminds open:
Where the energy comes from ? .

http://www.calphysics.org/zpe.html
Introduction to Zero Point Energy

The scientific community does not recognize free energy or overunity but use the term Zero Point Energy.

Therefore it has already been proven beyond all shadow of doubt by the scientific community that the universe is full of vast amounts of energy. The only thing actually in question is how to extract this energy but the science has been known for decades.

The thing to understand about science is that they don't rely on bs or hearsay and always require unbiased proof. Which is only common sense isn't it?, if our supposed theories about something are correct then we should be able prove it. However many would rather peddle false beliefs to serve there own interests rather than accept scientific facts.

We should also understand the difference between a theory and a fact. There are countless scientific theories like the "big bang theory" which are not a fact. Hence the term "theory", not a fact but a theory. Yet many would like to take this out of context and claim science is making false claims which are not true. So a little common sense is required.

So there you have it, this mysterious thing you seek has already proven by science decades ago, lol.

Regards
AC
 




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Electric conduction through Distilled Water
« Reply #1632 on: January 29, 2022, 04:06:10 PM »
I have made a breakthrough in understanding Nikola Tesla’s Radiant Energy.
I have come to the conclusion it is the same as what we know as a Displacement current.
Based on the insights, I have successfully conducted electric energy through pure distilled water (normally non conductive)
​​​​​​​and charged a capacitor up to 1200V using, impulses.
It is based on dielectric induction.
Eric Dollard already showed this in his 1980's Borderland videos, using ground current to transmit radio signals.

My new video showing Dielectric induction through pure distilled water:
https://youtu.be/NVTCEMw2-pU
(premieres today, 8pm GMT)

My previous video using the same circuit, using Magnetic induction to lift aluminum foil:
https://youtu.be/PBH_weiEM1w

My video explaining the circuit that I used for both experiments:
https://youtu.be/Pa2MipWGSKQ


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Re: Electric conduction through Distilled Water
« Reply #1633 on: February 02, 2022, 09:14:40 AM »
I have made a breakthrough in understanding Nikola Tesla’s Radiant Energy.
I have come to the conclusion it is the same as what we know as a Displacement current.
Based on the insights, I have successfully conducted electric energy through pure distilled water (normally non conductive)
​​​​​​​and charged a capacitor up to 1200V using, impulses.
It is based on dielectric induction.
Eric Dollard already showed this in his 1980's Borderland videos, using ground current to transmit radio signals.

My new video showing Dielectric induction through pure distilled water:
https://youtu.be/NVTCEMw2-pU
(premieres today, 8pm GMT)

My previous video using the same circuit, using Magnetic induction to lift aluminum foil:
https://youtu.be/PBH_weiEM1w

My video explaining the circuit that I used for both experiments:
https://youtu.be/Pa2MipWGSKQ
Nice job you made there ! My question is: your device output give around 3-6Kv with 8 to 18 Amps as a electric field with certain frequency over 130Khz, please correct me if I'm wrong, I wonder if you reduce this output current to 110v or 220v how you will convert the electric field and frequency to electric current at 60Hz in order to start an lightbulb. Shortly: how you get rid of e-field and produce current? May be I'm wrong and it's not about electrical field or rf field.

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