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Author Topic: The bifilar pancake coil at its resonant frequency  (Read 385328 times)

Offline sm0ky2

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Re: The bifilar pancake coil at its resonant frequency
« Reply #1620 on: November 21, 2021, 09:06:03 PM »
I have several circuits that TK built
i (sort of) understand the principal


To me it seems just like when you have 2 tuning forks
Each on a resonator box (just a rectangle tube of the right size)


Ring one (sound is amplified by the box)
The other starts ringing (and its’ box makes its’ own sound)


Theres a giant one in operation here in Texas
The tower is plugged into the mains (where his power meter is)


And at least 3 buildings (several acres apart)
have smaller receiver towers that draw power to operate the facility.
set up in an arc around the large tower

Getting the signal in and out is exactly like the way we broadcast radio
or cell phone signals


All the mystery is in tuning that to the coils, or a suitable octave
 

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Re: The bifilar pancake coil at its resonant frequency
« Reply #1620 on: November 21, 2021, 09:06:03 PM »

Offline stivep

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Re: The bifilar pancake coil at its resonant frequency
« Reply #1621 on: November 21, 2021, 11:10:22 PM »
It looks guys you have fun here.
Honestly  when I read your comments I feel like  moved into some form  of surrealistic environment 
where  I understand nothing, but everyone there  is closely associated with that form  of Surrealism - they understand a lot .
I didn't  really come here to to express  unfavorable opinion of the worth or quality,  blame, censure, condemn.. otherwise known as criticism.
( especially  comments of some Russian  responders)
But with all do respect:
- one may lose an "erection"  and become temporarily "impotent"  brainwise applying  critical thinking
to comment like this:
Hello. From my experience it is clear that there are longitudinal waves, so there is longitudinal resonance in any coil with or without a magnetic core.
It is different from the resonance of L C. Anyone who plays with frequencies lower than 1Mhz can discover it.
Quantum physics and quantum mechanics do not exist
and are the inventions of frustrated scientists that the universe in which they live does not match reality.
 Another invented word that saves ignorance is: big bang.
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Simple question Ivo, evostars, Master Ivo  and others.
Where is a gain ?
and
Is there a gain if any in  your , theory, practical experience  measured in W or  Joules or any  other units,
when compared: the energy IN vs energy OUT.?


I'm sorry but  being in physics for 32 years now I can see  gain in situations like this:
-young girl is gaining in wealthy marriage- nothing wrong in it.
- use of small amount of energy allows to gain access,  the another source of energy to work for me.
  e.g energy used to open  valve  on the pipe with water connected  to the river-flow is small but we can  use the
  water flow  from now for free. (and yes- that is your  FE.)

 and so on.....

The yet  another question is :
What  is your gain.... in all of it?

Wesley


 
 
 
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Offline onepower

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Re: The bifilar pancake coil at its resonant frequency
« Reply #1622 on: November 22, 2021, 01:06:35 AM »
stivep
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Where is a gain ?
and
Is there a gain if any in  your , theory, practical experience  measured in W or  Joules or any  other units,
when compared: the energy IN vs energy OUT.?

There lies the question and the answer is kind of funny...
It took me around a decade to figure it all out and my conclusion was there is no gain.

Think of it this way, if we burn an apple we can expect a small amount of chemical energy to be transformed. However if the mass of the same apple underwent a fusion process we could power a large city for years. The apple is the only input in both examples and yet the supposed energy output is different by many orders of magnitude.

Now we could ask where is the gain?, there is no gain and we are simply transforming more of the energy already present in the system.

I think you hit on the actual problem and it relates to the primitive "energy IN vs energy OUT" mindset. Energy is conserved and can only be transformed thus there is no "in versus out" only transformations. Nothing is destroyed or can be lost and nothing is created or gained... only transformed.

If we want to understand free energy then the questions we need to ask are what is Energy and how many ways can it be transformed?.

Regards
AC




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Re: The bifilar pancake coil at its resonant frequency
« Reply #1622 on: November 22, 2021, 01:06:35 AM »
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Offline stivep

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Re: The bifilar pancake coil at its resonant frequency
« Reply #1623 on: November 22, 2021, 01:50:52 AM »
if we burn an apple we can expect a small amount of chemical energy to be transformed. However if the mass of the same apple underwent a fusion process we could power a large city for years.
It is coupling to energy of  another energy source . the gain  is with "riding someone else horse"
I said exactly the same:
e.g energy used to open  valve  on the pipe with water connected  to the river-flow is small but we can  use the
 water flow  from now for free. (and yes- that is your  FE.)
But this is not what I was asking  for.
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This is what I'm talking about and asking for:
Example:
Master Ivo makes a video showing circuit in mosfets..cancelling two signals in 180 degrees .. well ..fine with me.
Whatever wording he uses, colliding or not with official physics......... well ..fine with me. I don't care much about it.
-and yes sometime some comments are oddly funny to the physicists..
Example:
longitudinal magneto dielectric wave/mode https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qxyf-L48Y8k  :) (By Master Ivo)
What the heck  is it.? Show me    a link to it (by credible sources.)
Read this as an example of credible source:
https://www.bnl.gov/isd/documents/94101.pdf




But on the other hand curiosity is pushing me to ask.
What is this entire nonsense for?
and yes it makes some sense  or perfect sense to some  of  you ...
and I want to know why.


So I'm asking simple  question :

Ivo, evostars, Master Ivo  and others.
Where is a gain ?
and
Is there a gain if any in  your , theory, practical experience measured in W or  Joules or any  other units,
when compared: the energy IN vs energy OUT.?
And if you coupled to another energy source during a conversion than what is your gain  IN/OUT.

or simpler to ask:
did you ever see any gain measured in W or  Joules or any  other units, in your "romantic comedy of science?"




Wesley

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Re: The bifilar pancake coil at its resonant frequency
« Reply #1624 on: November 22, 2021, 02:36:41 PM »
In the essence the question " where is the gain?" can be transformed into a question " what is the source of energy we are trying to tap?" and the only successful route is to ask and answer those questions. Steven Mark and a few ones like Perrigo, Hendershot, Hubbard answer that and they coincide with each other answer. I found also other question and yes - there is answer too. This another question was asked and answered by Clemente Figuera and later by D'Angelo and Alexander and probably many others.Here is some "laws" which should be studied in next decade (because except atomic energy and pv or wind energy there is no other sources so promising and so available to the masses)

1. Magnetic field is the source of energy - the only problem is the method to use it

2. Magnetic fields are nested
3. Earth magnetic field is dynamic and contain huge amount of energy uniformly spreaded

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Re: The bifilar pancake coil at its resonant frequency
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Offline onepower

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Re: The bifilar pancake coil at its resonant frequency
« Reply #1625 on: November 22, 2021, 06:06:31 PM »
Forest
Where does the energy come from?.
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1. Magnetic field is the source of energy - the only problem is the method to use it
2. Magnetic fields are nested
3. Earth magnetic field is dynamic and contain huge amount of energy uniformly spreaded

I came to a different conclusion based on the fact that magnetic fields are produced by moving charges. Therefore all energy must relate directly to the motion of charged particles. I suspect everyone including myself will be proven wrong in the future because charged particles are supposedly made of even smaller particles mostly unknown to us. 

Here is a strange thought, we know 99% of outer space is a perfect vacuum and 99% of inner space is also a perfect vacuum. This is true for several reasons, first we cannot fit an atom inside another atom therefore the space between the Proton-Electrons must be a vacuum. Thus we always find a perfect vacuum in every space wherever particles are not present.

99% of the universe is a perfect vacuum and what we call material/matter a fog of charged particles in perpetual motion within the vacuum. Think about that, the universe is like a very large vacuum tube and everything we call material a plasma of charged particles moving near the speed of light. In this respect we are beings almost entirely made up of energy...we are literally the thing we seek.

As such I have little interest in magnetic fields and they are simply an artifact of what happens when charged particles move. As well, my first working free energy device was based on the premise of inhibiting or removing all magnetic fields. As Viktor Schauberger once said...do the opposite of what everyone else does and you will be on the right track. Which should be obvious and if everyone else is failing we should not be following...

Regards
AC


 

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