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Author Topic: The bifilar pancake coil at its resonant frequency  (Read 176668 times)

Offline onepower

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Re: The bifilar pancake coil at its resonant frequency
« Reply #1545 on: September 13, 2018, 05:06:29 PM »
Nelson

Thank's for posting your circuit and it is very interesting.  I see you are using the three capacitor series oscillator with an embedded parallel oscillator as in your last circuit. The series bypass has also changed with a similar energy split on the inductive discharge. As if to say if the load wants to inhibit our oscillations then let it and we will simply store part of the energy elsewhere.

Very few people reach the required level of operation to sustain a device using spark gaps. Even less people progress to using discharge tubes such as neon's or threshold detection circuit elements. Almost no one has reduced the required effects to solid state operation so far as I know... well done.

The next level is to remove the switch at which point switching is replaced with field interactions and operations. I suspect it follows the same logic as a logic gate would. If something X happens and something Y happens then Z must happen unless X or Y have changed in some way in which case Z does not happen. In this case, conceptually, many circuit elements or components we are familiar with could take any number of forms so long as conduction occurs and the effects remain. It's kind of mind boggling when we think about it because these effects could appear in organic form or engineered crystalline/substrate structures to some extent on some level that most would never think to question. We have many options and are only limited by our imagination as to how far we could take this.


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Re: The bifilar pancake coil at its resonant frequency
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Re: The bifilar pancake coil at its resonant frequency
« Reply #1546 on: September 13, 2018, 09:09:08 PM »
onepower realy, when ever i have brought up this subject on the Dally tread I have been slagged of and bad mouthed by those who should have known better but with nelson it's a learning curve.
Nut knowledge in this subject can be dangerous.

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Re: The bifilar pancake coil at its resonant frequency
« Reply #1547 on: September 14, 2018, 03:25:41 AM »
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onepower realy, when ever i have brought up this subject on the Dally tread I have been slagged of and bad mouthed by those who should have known better but with nelson it's a learning curve.
Nut knowledge in this subject can be dangerous.

Your post is incoherent gibberish, what subject are you talking about, why were you slagged, why is it a learning curve with Nelson and wtf does "Nut knowledge in this subject can be dangerous" mean? ... are you on drugs?.

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Re: The bifilar pancake coil at its resonant frequency
« Reply #1547 on: September 14, 2018, 03:25:41 AM »
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Offline AlienGrey

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Re: The bifilar pancake coil at its resonant frequency
« Reply #1548 on: September 14, 2018, 11:57:35 PM »
AG
Your post is incoherent gibberish, what subject are you talking about, why were you slagged, why is it a learning curve with Nelson and wtf does "Nut knowledge in this subject can be dangerous" mean? ... are you on drugs?.
Onepower;  It's the software it changes words it doesn't like. It should read ''Note  knowledge in this subject can be dangerous".
Stanley Myers, Adrian Gustove (not sure on spelling) and many others for there trouble now deceased and no i'm not on drugs
only the shit America puts in our water and food. Why are you ?

I was referring to the gibberish you wrote ie  ;D
Very few people reach the required level of operation to sustain a device using spark gaps. Even less people progress to using discharge tubes such as neon's or threshold detection circuit elements. Almost no one has reduced the required effects to solid state operation so far as I know... well done.
Is all Tesla did was to charge a capacitor with energy like a TV saw tooth and dump the energy a spike  into a coil (Tesla coil) producing a huge HF fly back pulse. Not to difficult, yet many on the Dally thread thought it just sucked it out of the air as static.

Perhaps being as you say you know so much about the workings of this phenomena and it's place with in Quantum physics you could explain things like BEMF and how peek return can be achieved ie OU and frequency and materials that could be used and how magnetic Lenz law can be removed and would this produce a radiant circuit we could use to our advantage ?

AG

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Re: The bifilar pancake coil at its resonant frequency
« Reply #1549 on: September 15, 2018, 04:17:35 AM »
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Onepower;  It's the software it changes words it doesn't like. It should read ''Note  knowledge in this subject can be dangerous".
Stanley Myers, Adrian Gustove (not sure on spelling) and many others for there trouble now deceased and no i'm not on drugs
only the shit America puts in our water and food. Why are you ?

Okay now you starting to make "some sense" and I use this term liberally. I would simply say there are people who go through life scared of things they cannot control and there are people who live there life because we only get one.

« Last Edit: September 15, 2018, 01:08:27 PM by onepower »

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Re: The bifilar pancake coil at its resonant frequency
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Offline evostars

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    • my youtube channel with bifilar pancake coil info
Re: The bifilar pancake coil at its resonant frequency
« Reply #1550 on: September 15, 2018, 01:23:02 PM »
Got the disruptive discharge into a coil, but  fail to understand how it got there in the first place.
anybody got a clue, why it is there right before the pulse turns on?
more info on ciruit and setup in  video:
https://youtu.be/lByUMEg0OHs   

could the magnetic fields of the coils be acting as a diode?

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Re: The bifilar pancake coil at its resonant frequency
« Reply #1551 on: September 16, 2018, 10:36:11 PM »

Evo,

I could not replicate your bump at your ?, see screenshot.

Yellow is gate signal
Blue is L2 (top) signal
green is current through the MOSFET (at source)

But i think you need to be more specific on your used components / circuit

Itsu


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Re: The bifilar pancake coil at its resonant frequency
« Reply #1551 on: September 16, 2018, 10:36:11 PM »
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Re: The bifilar pancake coil at its resonant frequency
« Reply #1552 on: September 17, 2018, 02:52:52 AM »

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Re: The bifilar pancake coil at its resonant frequency
« Reply #1553 on: September 17, 2018, 06:38:48 AM »
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Got the disruptive discharge into a coil, but  fail to understand how it got there in the first place.
anybody got a clue, why it is there right before the pulse turns on?
https://youtu.be/lByUMEg0OHs   


You have a clue... you explained it in your video in between the two and three minute mark in my opinion... you just didn't realize it.

I rationalize problems in a way similar to the process Nikola Tesla used which relates to thought experiments and metacognition. I imagine I have to justify my thoughts or opinions to an imaginary person in front of me much more intelligent that myself. So I start explaining myself and I find I keep getting caught in my own contradictions, I keep veering off into speculation however sometimes as my reasoning becomes more refined with each justification the answer becomes apparent. In this way, in some sense, my beliefs become irrelevant and my justification must rely on logic and reason.

We could think of it this way... in a perfect world we could observe almost anything as it is in reality then apply logic and reason working through the problem and understand almost anything. However this is not the case and in fact not even remotely true in reality. We always carry are own baggage, beliefs and perspective with us and unless we can move past this were not going anywhere.


If you want to learn something I would suggest you watch your video again and analyse each of your statements with an open mind. Write your statements down in point form then follow the line of reason and justify it for yourself. I mean you almost had it nailed down and I could see you working through the problem in your mind and then you jumped to conclusions near the end. In any case I liked your video and it is nice to see people who I think are honest and sincere.

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Re: The bifilar pancake coil at its resonant frequency
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Re: The bifilar pancake coil at its resonant frequency
« Reply #1554 on: September 17, 2018, 10:13:11 AM »
I like Ivo’s videos, because he is interesred in the same phenomena as I am. He creates an experiment and tries to make sense of the results. He just needs input from other experimenters like we all do. This input steers you hopefully towards real discoveries.

If Ivo gets into effects Tesla described we have antigravity by summer...

Ivo needs a Patreon page. I would pay a monthly fee for the videos

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Re: The bifilar pancake coil at its resonant frequency
« Reply #1555 on: September 17, 2018, 06:00:37 PM »
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I like Ivo’s videos, because he is interesred in the same phenomena as I am. He creates an experiment and tries to make sense of the results. He just needs input from other experimenters like we all do. This input steers you hopefully towards real discoveries.

It may help to describe what radiant energy is and how to produce it from someone who has real experience with it.

My first real experience with radiant energy used a 100kV DC supply (Van de Graaff generator), a choke coil and an 8" stainless steel sphere. I found that if the DC supply discharged through a quenched spark gap into the choke and sphere. The sphere would make a pinging noise and eject physical matter from the surface as a super fine dust. When grounded plates were suspended nearby the plates became charged to a very high DC potential.

How can this be?... it is very simple. The supply discharges a massive number of free electrons across the spark gap in an extremely small time frame into the choke. The electron density is very high in the choke which pushes the electrons into the sphere in one big slug within a small time frame. This creates a high density wave of electrons travelling over the surface of the sphere. The drastic change in potential on the surface due to the very high charge density also causes physical material to be ejected from the surface because like charges repel. Opposite charges attract and like charges repel.

Think about it...
1)a material becomes highly charged within an extremely small time frame,
2)the charge density becomes so high so fast it starts tearing apart the surface of the material due to the massive repulsion forces,
3)Very small pieces of physical material which are highly charged are now repelled from the surface due to repulsion forces.
4)The ejected material carries the same high density of charges with it on it's surface which is why it charges anything it strikes.
5)We can now see a simple mechanism whereby large amounts of energy can be transferred through a space without a wire conductor. Understand each individual highly charged particle is a "conductor" of energy.

This is the mechanism Tesla used to produce radiant energy and create radiant matter. This is literally radiant matter as small pieces of matter ejected from a surface which carry a very high surface charge thus a great deal of energy with each piece of matter. Do you now understand why Tesla said the effect produced a "stinging sensation" which I have experienced as well?. It is very simple and is no different than a pith ball experiment where a little tin foil covered ball oscillates between a charged sphere and a grounded sphere transferring the surface charge or energy in the process. The process is identical and only the scale has changed, in effect my large highly charged sphere was simply ejecting a stream of very small highly charged pith balls. Obviously my sphere can be replaced with a single wire, a coil of wire or a metal plate so long as the effect remains.

My point here is on perspective, how could everyone misunderstand something so simple?, how could they miss something found in every high school textbook?, how could so many have such a poor understanding or misunderstanding of even the most basic principals of electrodynamics?. It all comes down to the fact that like charges and charged objects repel one another then progresses from there.

I'm not sure how or why everyone has managed to turn something relatively simple into such a god damn fiasco of false beliefs and misunderstanding however I do know we need to change what were doing. Stop over-complicating everything, understand the basics then build a logical process or sequence of events on it.

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Re: The bifilar pancake coil at its resonant frequency
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Re: The bifilar pancake coil at its resonant frequency
« Reply #1556 on: September 17, 2018, 11:52:15 PM »
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Re: The bifilar pancake coil at its resonant frequency
« Reply #1557 on: September 18, 2018, 02:15:02 AM »
Radiant energy  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7SBcezHASts it's dielectric energy

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Re: The bifilar pancake coil at its resonant frequency
« Reply #1558 on: September 18, 2018, 02:16:21 AM »
TK
Your a HV guy, have you noticed these effects?.

I have found the effect I described is based on the following requirements:
1) The supply must be HV and preferably have a negative potential.
2) The supply should discharge the maximum energy in a minimum time frame with no reversal of the current. 
3) The input is not AC it is DC and whatever energy enters the sphere through the spark gap is radiated with no arcs or sparks from the sphere which should be avoided.

You will know when it happens because the sphere will make a sharp "ping" noise on each discharge as an indication that the material has physically contracted and set the sphere itself into a material oscillation. If it does not oscillate then the rise in potential is too slow or the magnitude of the potential is too low. It's a sledge hammer effect, nail it as hard as you can as fast as you can with no reversal forcing energy to radiate.

This should sound familiar and I suspect Ed Gray based his technology on a similar effect. Nobody should think they can create an arc discharge from two electrodes at different potentials inside a copper cylinder and think the induced voltage on the copper cylinder can power a 50 hp motor... that is absurd. Induced by what, from where, by what means?, we have 100 years of experience with induction and it simply does not compute therefore it must be something else.

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Re: The bifilar pancake coil at its resonant frequency
« Reply #1559 on: September 18, 2018, 02:25:31 AM »

 

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