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Author Topic: The bifilar pancake coil at its resonant frequency  (Read 231960 times)

Offline TinselKoala

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Re: The bifilar pancake coil at its resonant frequency
« Reply #960 on: April 17, 2017, 05:28:10 AM »
Hey babydoll, did I get the connections right?  You can trust me .... this won't hurt a bit.


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Re: The bifilar pancake coil at its resonant frequency
« Reply #961 on: April 17, 2017, 06:15:23 AM »
Ain't these just about the purtyest scopeshots you've seen?

Two log sweeps of thirty seconds, 1kHz-25MHz.

I wish my FG would go higher but to get any higher than 25MHz I'd have to dig out the HP8640B and that damned thing weighs a ton.



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Re: The bifilar pancake coil at its resonant frequency
« Reply #962 on: April 17, 2017, 07:17:42 AM »
Ain't these just about the purtyest scopeshots you've seen?

Two log sweeps of thirty seconds, 1kHz-25MHz.

I wish my FG would go higher but to get any higher than 25MHz I'd have to dig out the HP8640B and that damned thing weighs a ton.
Have you looked on youtube on how to update your device by loading different characteristics, I think you can get it to think it's a spectrum analyser  ;) PS don't blame me if it cocks it up !

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Re: The bifilar pancake coil at its resonant frequency
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Offline Magluvin

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Re: The bifilar pancake coil at its resonant frequency
« Reply #963 on: April 17, 2017, 10:31:22 AM »
@Tinselkoala,

No one can trust you to hook anything up right. You can't figure out how Bedini ran his "Ferris Wheel"!

Syncro. Brad and I are moderators here. You need to put up or shut up, to put it bluntly. Either show what your arguments claim or we will have to shut you off here.

You came into this thread at page 3 and claimed that the bifi has 2 times the inductance as a normal coil. Tk proved you wrong, and I am saying you are wrong. Get it together bud and I do not want to see1, 3, 4 and 5 posts in a row of bashing. You are accomplishing nothing but wasting page space. So it has to end here. Ok?

Mags

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Re: The bifilar pancake coil at its resonant frequency
« Reply #964 on: April 17, 2017, 10:38:34 AM »
How about this magic, MH: 

Here is a scopeshot of the TBF pancake coil (661 uH, FR = 273.2 kHz) being stimulated by a sine wave at the resonant frequency. The Blue trace is the source frequency,  the Yellow trace is the voltage across the current sensing resistor as used in the previous scopeshots connected as MH specified, and the Purple trace is the signal from a "pickup coil" (actually the monofilar pancake, it was the first thing handy to grab) suspended a couple of cm away from the TBF coil. Not connected (but share the common ground of course). It is clearly getting a voltage induced in it. But the current sensing resistor on the TBF coil is showing zero voltage across the resistor, which should mean no current flowing through it. Clearly, the TBF is still generating a magnetic field that alternates at its driven frequency, otherwise it could not induce a voltage in the pickup coil. Right? 

(Inspired by Gyula's questions, thanks!)

Sweet. So the blue trace is the input on 10v scale and the purple is on a 1v scale of the pickup a couple cm away. What if it were closer and loaded, does that change the yellow trace any? Closer may change the capacitance of the bifi, is that why the couple cm spacing? Thanks for showing.

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Re: The bifilar pancake coil at its resonant frequency
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Offline synchro1

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Re: The bifilar pancake coil at its resonant frequency
« Reply #965 on: April 17, 2017, 01:10:37 PM »
Syncro. Brad and I are moderators here. You need to put up or shut up, to put it bluntly. Either show what your arguments claim or we will have to shut you off here.

You came into this thread at page 3 and claimed that the bifi has 2 times the inductance as a normal coil. Tk proved you wrong, and I am saying you are wrong. Get it together bud and I do not want to see1, 3, 4 and 5 posts in a row of bashing. You are accomplishing nothing but wasting page space. So it has to end here. Ok?

Mags

@Mags,

The "Watt Hour" was selected as the base unit by Joseph Hemry for his Inductance formula. Neither Milehigh nor Tinselkoala had any way to find this out because neither of them knows how to read or understand the algebraic expressions we use. Then we find them doing this kind of arithmetic in "Highly FIllagred Fashion". What's wrong with this picture? They refuse to acknowledge "Negative Henry Measurements", an indespensible units of force equivalency.

"Negative Current" is another unit of measurement they maintain is imaginary. Really now come on man? You don't want to stick up for these foppy show offs, with beat off cream on their faces, do you?   

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Re: The bifilar pancake coil at its resonant frequency
« Reply #966 on: April 17, 2017, 01:15:04 PM »
It must be horrible to be you, baby doll. You are so insecure. You will lie, sling innuendos, make unsupportable claims and even Ainslie-troll threads to try to bury discussions you don't like, in order to salvage your pitiful insecure ego. You should have your doctor check your medications, because your paranoia level is off-scale and you are clearly in a meltdown phase.

I can clearly show that my connections are correct, and ANYONE, even you, can CHECK MY WORK and see if I am doing it properly or not.

And there is no mystery at all about any of Bedini's motors. By the way, this thread is not about Bedini motors.

@Tinselkoala,

He's using Quaqdfilars, two bifilars joined into one winding! So it's on topic. You attract people with shiny objects then club them like seal pups on the ice flow.

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Re: The bifilar pancake coil at its resonant frequency
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Offline Magluvin

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Re: The bifilar pancake coil at its resonant frequency
« Reply #967 on: April 17, 2017, 02:01:36 PM »
@Tinselkoala,

He's using Quaqdfilars, two bifilars joined into one winding! So it's on topic. You attract people with shiny objects then club them like seal pups on the ice flow.

Lets keep it to this....

"He's using Quaqdfilars, two bifilars joined into one winding! So it's on topic."

And if you are going to make rebuttal statements, show links or other sources for your arguments please. This way it is harder for your statements to be frowned upon just because it is coming from you. Makes for less unnecessary back and forth filling pages. ;)

I already warned you once, but it doesnt seem to sink in. Keep it clean or, well you know. :(

Mags
 

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Re: The bifilar pancake coil at its resonant frequency
« Reply #968 on: April 17, 2017, 02:09:39 PM »
Im not going to have time to play today.  :-[ I wana go out and play,Cuz Im a fan boi.  ;) Gota work. But I will be checking in periodically.

Mags

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Re: The bifilar pancake coil at its resonant frequency
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Re: The bifilar pancake coil at its resonant frequency
« Reply #969 on: April 17, 2017, 02:45:47 PM »
@Mags,

The "Watt Hour" was selected as the base unit by Joseph Hemry for his Inductance formula. Neither Milehigh nor Tinselkoala had any way to find this out because neither of them knows how to read or understand the algebraic expressions we use. Then we find them doing this kind of arithmetic in "Highly FIllagred Fashion". What's wrong with this picture? They refuse to acknowledge "Negative Henry Measurements", an indespensible units of force equivalency.


Once again your insults and disparagement clearly describe yourself.

And you are having so much trouble typing in your childish rage that you can't even spell "HENRY".   You clearly have no idea what you are talking about. The WATT-HOUR IS A MEASURE OF ENERGY, in JOULES, not inductance which is measured in HENRIES, which can be expressed in Joules/Amps2.  They are in no way "equivalent" no matter where you stick your silly minus sign.
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"Negative Current" is another unit of measurement they maintain is imaginary.

There is current, which is the flow of charge. It always proceeds from a place of higher potential to one of lower potential. Not the other way around. You can stomp your feet and add capital letters but that does not change the facts. The "negative" sign on your ammeters is there to show you which way the current is flowing, not to identify some "negative current".

But as I said earlier, since CURRENT is the flow of CHARGE, and charge in wires is carried by electrons, which have the unit negative charge, some nit picker could say that ALL current in wires is "negative" since it is the flow of negative charge. Nevertheless it still flows from higher potential (region of greater negative charge)  to lower potential (region of lesser negative charge). Only.

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Really now come on man? You don't want to stick up for these foppy show offs, with beat off cream on their faces, do you?   

Really, Allen Burgess? You say things like that on this forum? Not only do you lie and misrepresent but you are now resorting to PORNOGRAPHY in your insults?

You are truly a sick, sick puppy.

In Texas we know what to do with animals as sick as you are. Someone will be along to remove you and your filth-slinging shortly, I trust.

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Re: The bifilar pancake coil at its resonant frequency
« Reply #970 on: April 17, 2017, 02:48:27 PM »


Once again your insults and disparagement clearly describe yourself.

And you are having so much trouble typing in your childish rage that you can't even spell "HENRY".   You clearly have no idea what you are talking about. The WATT-HOUR IS A MEASURE OF ENERGY, in JOULES, not inductance which is measured in HENRIES, which can be expressed in Joules/Amps2.  They are in no way "equivalent" no matter where you stick your silly minus sign.
There is current, which is the flow of charge. It always proceeds from a place of higher potential to one of lower potential. Not the other way around. You can stomp your feet and add capital letters but that does not change the facts. The "negative" sign on your ammeters is there to show you which way the current is flowing, not to identify some "negative current".

But as I said earlier, since CURRENT is the flow of CHARGE, and charge in wires is carried by electrons, which have the unit negative charge, some nit picker could say that ALL current in wires is "negative" since it is the flow of negative charge. Nevertheless it still flows from higher potential to lower potential. Only.

Really, Allen Burgess? You say things like that on this forum? Not only do you lie and misrepresent but you are now resorting to PORNOGRAPHY in your insults?

You are truly a sick, sick puppy.

In Texas we know what to do with animals as sick as you are.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L6r7cM3vHRg

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Re: The bifilar pancake coil at its resonant frequency
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Re: The bifilar pancake coil at its resonant frequency
« Reply #971 on: April 17, 2017, 02:50:14 PM »
You really WANT to get banned, don't you?

You are sick, that is the only explanation for you.

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Re: The bifilar pancake coil at its resonant frequency
« Reply #972 on: April 17, 2017, 03:12:38 PM »
@Tinselkoala,

This quote from Energetic Forum refers to Bedini's "Ferris Wheel Motor", The power of "Impulse Magnetization"!


"I'll take a stab at how the boots worked. I think the boot steel is set up like a Leedskalnin perpetual magnet holder (PMH) and it's in the off position. The boot has four of these PMH's on it. The magnet is always attracted to the walking surface when it's in the off position. When a person wishes to take a step all he has to do is pulse the PMH coils once and the magnetic force is redirected into the steel frame of the shoe that holds the steel posts, which removes the force to the floor. Once the pulse has ended the person could place his foot down and the magnet would direct is flow naturally to the steel floor".


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Re: The bifilar pancake coil at its resonant frequency
« Reply #973 on: April 17, 2017, 03:30:57 PM »
How much electricity is in a magnet? We can use Dr. Leon Dragone's formulas to help solve this, But The answer is way overunity when the cost of impulse for the the conversion to electric power in the PM as you now understand it.

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Re: The bifilar pancake coil at its resonant frequency
« Reply #974 on: April 17, 2017, 03:50:56 PM »
Bedini swaps, collects and redirects the "Impulse Energy".

 

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