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### Author Topic: The bifilar pancake coil at its resonant frequency  (Read 496839 times)

#### synchro1

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##### Re: The bifilar pancake coil at its resonant frequency
« Reply #585 on: April 10, 2017, 11:58:48 PM »
LOL   In Kirchhoff's Current Law all currents entering a node in a circuit must sum to zero.  The convention is that currents entering a node are denoted as positive currents and currents exiting a node are denoted as negative currents.  "Positive" or "negative" merely denote the direction of the current flow.  There is no such thing as "negative current" in the way I suspect some people might be thinking.

“The algebraic sum of all currents entering and exiting a node must equal zero”

"That is, if we assign a mathematical sign (polarity) to each current, denoting whether they enter (+) or exit (-) a node, we can add them together to arrive at a total of zero, guaranteed."

So all of the fussing and flustering and fussbudgeting and the general spreading around of misery and drama and unhappiness and insults about this subject can now stop.

@Milehigh,

Define "Alternating Current".

#### synchro1

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##### Re: The bifilar pancake coil at its resonant frequency
« Reply #586 on: April 11, 2017, 12:09:34 AM »
Here's some help for Dr. Weizsacker:

"Either as a voltage switching polarity or as a current switching direction back and forth, this “kind” of electricity is known as Alternating Current (AC)".

Milehigh states AC current destroys itself and factors out to zero! Here it is:

"In Kirchhoff's Current Law all currents entering a node in a circuit must sum to zero".

#### citfta

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##### Re: The bifilar pancake coil at its resonant frequency
« Reply #587 on: April 11, 2017, 12:24:53 AM »
Bro Mikey II and Allen B. are so mixed up in their thinking they believe they can discover something new when they obviously don't understand what has already been well established.  Most of these guys like them want to portray Tesla as some great genius who magically created all his wonderful inventions.  Tesla was a true genius.  There is no doubt about that.  What they keep ignoring was that Tesla had a very strong electrical education before he went on to take it farther.  I have studied Tesla for over 50 years and he many times has mentioned inventors before him that learned something and then he applied it in a different way.  He did not ignore the research and education he had gotten.  He built on that.  You can try to put down those of us that have strong electronic backgrounds all you want but in the end it will be someone like us that will find the secret to OU if it exists.

OU, if possible will be found by those that clearly know what they doing and have direction and insight into what they are doing.  It will not be found by someone blindly stumbling around in the dark that believes anything they see on DumbTube.  I know TK has spent countless hours checking out supposed OU circuits and machines.  I have also been doing the same thing for about 10 years now.  I don't think MileHigh believes OU is possible so we have agreed to respectfully disagree with no name calling or hard feelings.  I hope some day to be able to show him something that will change his mind about that.  In the mean time he is a good check for those of us that sometimes get over excited by a supposed new machine or circuit.  Most serious researchers don't have a problem with peer review.  Only those with a hidden agenda would balk at a peer review.

Respectfully,
Carroll

#### synchro1

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##### Re: The bifilar pancake coil at its resonant frequency
« Reply #588 on: April 11, 2017, 12:44:18 AM »
Bro Mikey II and Allen B. are so mixed up in their thinking they believe they can discover something new when they obviously don't understand what has already been well established.  Most of these guys like them want to portray Tesla as some great genius who magically created all his wonderful inventions.  Tesla was a true genius.  There is no doubt about that.  What they keep ignoring was that Tesla had a very strong electrical education before he went on to take it farther.  I have studied Tesla for over 50 years and he many times has mentioned inventors before him that learned something and then he applied it in a different way.  He did not ignore the research and education he had gotten.  He built on that.  You can try to put down those of us that have strong electronic backgrounds all you want but in the end it will be someone like us that will find the secret to OU if it exists.

OU, if possible will be found by those that clearly know what they doing and have direction and insight into what they are doing.  It will not be found by someone blindly stumbling around in the dark that believes anything they see on DumbTube.  I know TK has spent countless hours checking out supposed OU circuits and machines.  I have also been doing the same thing for about 10 years now.  I don't think MileHigh believes OU is possible so we have agreed to respectfully disagree with no name calling or hard feelings.  I hope some day to be able to show him something that will change his mind about that.  In the mean time he is a good check for those of us that sometimes get over excited by a supposed new machine or circuit.  Most serious researchers don't have a problem with peer review.  Only those with a hidden agenda would balk at a peer review.

Respectfully,
Carroll

Here's a quote from a personal message to me by Citfa dated July 16 2016:

"You are also still incorrect about the current reversal.  Just because you got someone else to agree with your misunderstanding about inductors does not change the facts of how they really work.  I am 70 years old and have worked in electronics as my career for over 50 years.  You are a beginner with a bad attitude who refuses to listen to those that try to help you".

I am not a beginner. I too am 70 years old. I was tutored by David T. Dinan, a graduate fellow at M.I.T. who invited me to tour a scarpyard in western New Jersey to view an old Tesla electro-magnet in 1962, when I was 15 years of age.

#### ramset

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##### Re: The bifilar pancake coil at its resonant frequency
« Reply #589 on: April 11, 2017, 01:05:46 AM »
Synchro
where's the scrap yard ?

western jersey ??

my old stomping grounds, shipped Thousands of tonnes to A western jersey scrap yard... one in particular?

Where was it ?

I'll be down that way quite a bit soon [for work]

??

what do you remember about it?

who's iron?[drive unit

what made it so special ?

#### synchro1

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##### Re: The bifilar pancake coil at its resonant frequency
« Reply #590 on: April 11, 2017, 01:11:52 AM »
@Citfa,

You have pathologically denied that there's any such thing as "Current Reversal"; What do you make of this portion of the definition of alternating current? "AC current is switching direction back and forth".

#### synchro1

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##### Re: The bifilar pancake coil at its resonant frequency
« Reply #591 on: April 11, 2017, 01:13:24 AM »
Synchro
where's the scrap yard ?

western jersey ??

my old stomping grounds, shipped Thousands of tonnes to A western jersey scrap yard... one in particular?

Where was it ?

I'll be down that way quite a bit soon [for work]

??

what do you remember about it?

who's iron?[drive unit

Too soon.

#### synchro1

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##### Re: The bifilar pancake coil at its resonant frequency
« Reply #592 on: April 11, 2017, 01:34:21 AM »
You see what's going on here folks; This Citfa guy spent his whole life studying electronics and never understood what alternating current is!

Tinselkoala never understood what self inductance is!

#### Zephir

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##### Re: The bifilar pancake coil at its resonant frequency
« Reply #593 on: April 11, 2017, 01:39:35 AM »
They're all organized trolls, whose agenda is to disrupt every serious discussion of overunity.
They sh*t bricks once someone starts with real information about it.
Only dull laymen posts, textbooks trivia and silly conspiracy theories (chemtrails?!) which are ridiculing overunity topic are allowed here.
The whole purpose of this forum is to make overunity research untrustful in the eyes of random visitors, because opened censorship would be too conspicuous. This is how the disinfo is made these days.

#### citfta

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##### Re: The bifilar pancake coil at its resonant frequency
« Reply #594 on: April 11, 2017, 02:10:32 AM »
You see what's going on here folks; This Citfa guy spent his whole life studying electronics and never understood what alternating current is!

Tinselkoala never understood what self inductance is!

Yes it is very clear what is going on here.  You have been proven wrong by about 5 different people now with videos and scope shots and circuits that all prove current does not reverse during coil discharge.  So instead of admitting you were wrong you try to change the subject once again.  Alternating Current has absolutely nothing to do with coil discharge.  You just keep digging yourself into a deeper hole with your mistaken ideas.

#### ramset

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##### Re: The bifilar pancake coil at its resonant frequency
« Reply #595 on: April 11, 2017, 02:14:39 AM »
Zephir
Quote

The whole purpose of this forum is to make overunity research untrustful in the eyes of random visitors, because opened censorship would be too conspicuous. This is how the disinfo is made these days.
end quote

you have a problem with how Stefan runs his forum?

#### citfta

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##### Re: The bifilar pancake coil at its resonant frequency
« Reply #596 on: April 11, 2017, 02:26:43 AM »
I posted this a while back but I am going to post it again for the benefit (maybe) of the people that don't seem to like the idea of peer review.

I couple of years ago I put together a circuit that was showing more power out than in.  I was excited.  I shared it on a forum and Luc asked if he could replicate it.  I knew his reputation and of course said yes.  When he got it completed he did not get the same results I did.  We went over together the circuit and his was exactly like mine.  He then suggested I recheck my meters.  When I did I found that the trusty meter I had been using for years was actually reading the input power much lower than it really was.  It had always been very accurate before so something had happened to it.  I thanked Luc for helping me and apologized for getting everyone excited over another circuit that didn't pan out.  That is what peer review is about.  We check each other and verify or not the results someone claims.

Zephir, your idea that someone should be banned for wanting answers is totally ridiculous.  If you don't like the way this forum operates, there is no one forcing you to stay.  However I am pretty sure you must have another agenda.  You seem to have only one goal and that is to disrupt as many threads on this forum as you can.  I don't have any authority here or I would ban you to one thread only and not allow you to disrupt all the threads you seem intent on disrupting.

Carroll

#### synchro1

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##### Re: The bifilar pancake coil at its resonant frequency
« Reply #597 on: April 11, 2017, 02:47:58 AM »
Yes it is very clear what is going on here.  You have been proven wrong by about 5 different people now with videos and scope shots and circuits that all prove current does not reverse during coil discharge.  So instead of admitting you were wrong you try to change the subject once again.  Alternating Current has absolutely nothing to do with coil discharge.  You just keep digging yourself into a deeper hole with your mistaken ideas.

@Citfa,

We know who these five disinformation agents are. The Ruhmkopff coil is a Hi-voltage transformer inverter. It generates AC current. The negative portion of the sine wave shows up as a curve beneath the zero line on your scope. This "Negative Current" is generated by the magnetic field collapse that occurs when current is interuppted to the nested primary coil. Both positive and negative current flow in the same direction out the secondary coil electrode. .

#### ramset

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##### Re: The bifilar pancake coil at its resonant frequency
« Reply #598 on: April 11, 2017, 02:56:51 AM »
Allen
you need to make a video of your claim ?

or guide me thru a video
tell me what to do?

step by step

#### citfta

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##### Re: The bifilar pancake coil at its resonant frequency
« Reply #599 on: April 11, 2017, 02:58:25 AM »

@Citfa,

We know who these five disinformation agents are. The Ruhmkopff coil is a Hi-voltage transformer inverter. It generates AC current. The negative portion of the sine wave shows up as a curve beneath the zero line on your scope. This "Negative Current" is generated by the magnetic field collapse that occurs when current is interuppted to the nested primary coil. Both positive and negative current flow in the same direction out the secondary coil electrode. .

Prove it!