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Author Topic: The bifilar pancake coil at its resonant frequency  (Read 297607 times)

Offline nelsonrochaa

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Re: The bifilar pancake coil at its resonant frequency
« Reply #465 on: April 08, 2017, 01:37:54 PM »
I didn't promise you any money. But once you submit the link to some silent presentations without further explanation, then it's legitimate for us to ask for a better explanation - don't you think? It's indeed your full right to dismiss it - but you shouldn't consider it as a business proposal, because it isn't, desperate the less.

Hi Zephir,
I'm not particularize  you , but i assure to you that some already make real € propose.
What is legitimate in my perspective is , if you are really interested in that circuit  you should replicate them  , is not the small amount of money and time that you will spend in that circuit that will you make more poor , otherwise just ignore like the people you critic almost time, did in past .
I up to you , you are free :)

cheers

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Re: The bifilar pancake coil at its resonant frequency
« Reply #466 on: April 08, 2017, 01:40:49 PM »
Good morning Nelson.

May I ask a simple question regarding your " Mini Radiant Exciter " circuit, schematic posted on the previous page?

I used a commercial " potted " 240/24 0 24 transformer just using one of the 24 volt windings.

It is connected in series from source.

Is it the 240 volt or the 24 volt winding that's in series from the source? As it has been some time since I built it I have forgotten which way I used the transformer.   :)

I'm thinking of having another look at this....... ;)

Kind regards, Graham.

Hi Graham,
Is the primary side of transformer that is connected ; the transformer i used is 240v x 9v normally  used in a commercial electronic inboard .

wish you the best

Nelson Rocha

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Re: The bifilar pancake coil at its resonant frequency
« Reply #467 on: April 08, 2017, 01:54:08 PM »
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if you are really interested in that circuit  you should replicate them

This is the same story: why I should get really interested about your circuit? What does it so exceptionally? Once you're whining about trolls flooding this forum, you shouldn't also behave like the troll. Once you start to whine, you got ignored this community (on behalf of Akula or whoever else), you should also ask yourself, what did you really submitted to it. You're doing everything for being ignored with no mercy: you want the attention for nothing, just for informal cat & mice game.

You should realize, why we all are visiting this forum: this forum is dedicated for sharing of information, not for its keeping. This forum is dedicated for exploration of overunity, not for its classification. This forum is dedicated for overunity devices, not for another ones. And so on - everyone who things and behaves differently undermines the very purpose of this forum and the very reason of his own existence here. Is it really so difficult to understand it?

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Re: The bifilar pancake coil at its resonant frequency
« Reply #467 on: April 08, 2017, 01:54:08 PM »
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Offline MileHigh

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Re: The bifilar pancake coil at its resonant frequency
« Reply #468 on: April 08, 2017, 02:04:25 PM »
LOL, the Copernicus theory was real and yet the mainstream science didn't even bother to look at it for another 160 years. The first attempt for replication of overunity in electrical circuit is currently delayed for 145 years (Cook 1871), cold fusion finding 90 years (Panneth/Petters 1926), Woodward drive 26 years, EMDrive 18 years and room superconductivity finding by 45 years. And I'm not even talking about some industrial utilization - only about first serious attempt for replication published in peer-reviewed literature. The findings get accepted only when they add jobs and profit to existing ruling class, once they threaten it (which is typical just for actually breakthrough findings - i.e. not incremental progress), then they get ignored with no mercy. From this perspective, the ignorance of breakthrough findings is rather strict rule, than some socioeconomical anomaly.

The "argument of yours" is most typical pluralistic ignorance fallacy of pathoskeptics: if these findings are real breakthroughs, how is it possible, that nobody is bothered with attempts for their replications?

Oh sure, like when the whole world was shaken up in 1989 when they announced cold fusion and people thought it was legitimate.  It was the biggest news story across the world the day it was announced.

So, no, you can't run a mail order company selling free energy devices and be just like any other business.  If it really was real, it would shake up the entire world.

It's just a con and they are looking for people like you to feed off of and use.

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Re: The bifilar pancake coil at its resonant frequency
« Reply #469 on: April 08, 2017, 02:17:42 PM »
@Tinselkola,

Where are you Bub? In bed with a hangover?

"The current on charge and discharge would be _infinite_, taking no time, which is what a vertical line means. Infinite slope! A change in charge over +no change in time+" Impossible you say?

You boldly accused me of misunderstanding, misrepresenting and prevaricating: How dare you be so insolent to me you cheap carnival huckster!

Tesla wrote at great length about the infinity of the spark, and spoke of it at conferences with contemporaries like Max Plank and Albert Einstien.

This is the crux of the infinite power of the impulse magnetisem, and not understood by either you or Milehigh!

I supply proof of it in this video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YeJ5wHBpaf4

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Re: The bifilar pancake coil at its resonant frequency
« Reply #469 on: April 08, 2017, 02:17:42 PM »
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Offline Zephir

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Re: The bifilar pancake coil at its resonant frequency
« Reply #470 on: April 08, 2017, 02:37:56 PM »
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like when the whole world was shaken up in 1989 when they announced cold fusion and people thought it was legitimate

And it isn't? Currently (actually in 2006 already) the Fleischman/Pons fusion at palladium is already replicated with 90+% reproducibility. ENEA Fusion labs is professionally equipped and governmentally funded research base, which is subsidized even by Bill Gates. The achieving of reproducibility in cold fusion research just requires the thoroughness and streamlined research effort - after all, like any other advanced human activity. For example the yield of microprocessors in semiconductor industry is often lower than 60% - and yet nobody doubts their existence. Despite these successes no one of mainstream research basis exhibits an interest about this technology, because it would threat their own nuclear and renewable business: from tokamaks over solar cells to batteries.

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Re: The bifilar pancake coil at its resonant frequency
« Reply #471 on: April 08, 2017, 02:47:56 PM »
And it isn't? Currently (in 2009 actually) the Fleischman/Pons fusion at palladium is already replicated with 75+% reproducibility. ENEA Fusion labs is professionally equipped and governmentally funded research base, which is subsidized even by Bill Gates.

Yes, about two or three years ago "cold fusion got hot again" and it was covered on the show 60 Minutes.  Now it's back to being nowhere and the most infamous person associated with cold fusion, Rossi, is considered by most to be a fraud.  Defkalion is dead, they just vanished in a vortex of BS.

If cold fusion was real it would be applied and in use today.

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Re: The bifilar pancake coil at its resonant frequency
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Re: The bifilar pancake coil at its resonant frequency
« Reply #472 on: April 08, 2017, 02:55:17 PM »
Who can explain why the Tesla series connected bifilar carries twice the "Magnetization Impulse Charge" as the single wire coil of equal inductance?

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Re: The bifilar pancake coil at its resonant frequency
« Reply #473 on: April 08, 2017, 02:57:13 PM »
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Now it's back to being nowhere


But how it could refuse the 90+% reproducibility of ENEA results? Of course, palladium is expensive and Rossi/Defkalion worked with cheaper nickel, which may be more difficult to handle. But it is reliable ground for further research. You cannot get even the tokamak or thorium based energy without investments into research, despite its perfectly feasible. Are you telling me, that the tokamak or thorium energy is not possible, because it's also promised and delayed for decades only? Is the laser fusion impossible just because of recent failure of NIF? If not, why the acceptance logic of cold fusion should be different? The physicists even didn't start to attempt for it seriously (no results published in peer-reviewed journals with compare to NIF / tokamak / thorium research). Why we should expect positive results with zero or even negative attitude, if even the heavily funded research got no usable results yet?

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Who can explain why the Tesla series connected bifilar carries twice the "Magnetization Impulse Charge" then the single wire coil of equal inductance?

When every two neighboring wires within pancake bifilar coil cancel their magnetism each other, then you indeed must exert more energy for achieving the same magnetization at certain distance from them. If this answer doesn't satisfy you, then how the "Magnetization Impulse Charge" is actually defined (circuit diagram, specification of experiments, oscillograms)? We can attempt for explanation only the problems, which are well defined. The vaguely defined problems can get vague answers only.

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Re: The bifilar pancake coil at its resonant frequency
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Re: The bifilar pancake coil at its resonant frequency
« Reply #474 on: April 08, 2017, 03:02:33 PM »

But how it could refuse the 90+% reproducibility of ENEA results? Of course, palladium is expensive and Rossi/Defkalion worked with cheaper nickel, which may be more difficult to handle. But it is reliable ground for further research. You cannot get even the tokamak or thorium based energy without investments into research, despite its perfectly feasible. Are you telling me, that the tokamak or thorium energy is not possible, because it's also promised for decades only? If not, why the acceptance logic of cold fusion should be different? The physicists even didn't attempt for it seriously.

What does this have to do with the thread topic?

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Re: The bifilar pancake coil at its resonant frequency
« Reply #475 on: April 08, 2017, 03:14:17 PM »
@Tinselkoala and Milehigh,

O.K. The charge curves overlap upside down. That's cleared up now. Let's hear more about your non-infinity of the spark theory!

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Offline ramset

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Re: The bifilar pancake coil at its resonant frequency
« Reply #476 on: April 08, 2017, 03:30:19 PM »
Allen
I could be wrong....??
But it would seem you just yelled at a guy for an off topic comment

and then you inserted a question that wiil take it even further off topic for a hundred more pages of flame wars...


How the heck could we ever moderate here and keep things on topic?

Poor Mags...
yeesh

persons here who Build these coils are trying to do experiments
ON TOPIC experiments

whoever doesn't like it and wants to discuss other topics should start a separate thread.

its not even an opinion

just the way its supposed to be.

you wanna fight with Tinsel and Miles ?
I'll Pull the Steel cage outta storage and we'll setup a thread and sell tickets

PLEASE RESPECT THIS MANS THREAD

we do have moderation available here....


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Re: The bifilar pancake coil at its resonant frequency
« Reply #477 on: April 08, 2017, 03:43:41 PM »
Allen
I could be wrong....??
But it would seem you just yelled at a guy for an off topic comment

and then you inserted a question that wiil take it even further off topic for a hundred more pages of flame wars...


How the heck could we ever moderate here and keep things on topic?

Poor Mags...
yeesh

persons here who Build these coils are trying to do experiments
ON TOPIC experiments

whoever doesn't like it and wants to discuss other topics should start a separate thread.

its not even an opinion

just the way its supposed to be.

you wanna fight with Tinsel and Miles ?
I'll Pull the Steel cage outta storage and we'll setup a thread and sell tickets

PLEASE RESPECT THIS MANS THREAD

we do have moderation available here....

I beg your pardon Chet. You did nothing to scold Tinselkoala the whole time he ravaged me over fuzzy language. There's a big difference between being dead wrong and incorrectly stated. Both Milehigh and Tinselkoala got 86'd by Arron over at Energetic forum where both of us are in good standing for their "Steam Punk" illogic. The issue is the infinite speed of the gravity wave lectured about by Eric Dollard and the patent by Nicola on his bifilar coil as a coil for electro-magnets.

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Re: The bifilar pancake coil at its resonant frequency
« Reply #478 on: April 08, 2017, 04:00:24 PM »
would seem this thread will have to go wherever you  wish to go ??

in the mean time some are discussing options to get the experiments done elsewhere

another thread dedicated to builders [on topic] and experiments.

I cannot believe it has to be this way Allen ??

I will not type a single word in response to you
this has gone too far

PLEASE START A NEW TOPIC AND SEND OUT INVITATIONS THIS NEEDS TO END ONCE AND FOR ALL

i'LL PULL OUT THE STEEL CAGE

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Re: The bifilar pancake coil at its resonant frequency
« Reply #479 on: April 08, 2017, 04:03:42 PM »
Tinselkoala ridiculed me because no one any longer comments in response to my claims because there're in the woods along with him and Milehigh who are both extremely narrow minded, and dominate this web site with arrogant and abusive insults mostly directed at newbie's with English for a second language.

Here's a clue: The Tesla bifilar cancels it's self inductance. What would this do to double the strength of the magnet pulse over a single wire coil that's retarded by "Flyback"?

 

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