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Author Topic: The bifilar pancake coil at its resonant frequency  (Read 371132 times)

Offline synchro1

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Re: The bifilar pancake coil at its resonant frequency
« Reply #375 on: April 06, 2017, 02:20:04 AM »
So, you evidently didn't watch my second coil current direction video. Or perhaps you simply didn't understand it, since it does not fit in with your mis-pre-conceptions. So I'll post the link again:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X66foYixu9Y

You were wrong before and you are still wrong now.

You are the champion at misrepresenting my work and the work of others, so it comes as no surprise that you misrepresent the work of Tesla, and even misrepresent the construction and use of scrapyard magnets.

@Tinselkoala,

You're just an over grown garbage scrounger. You can't define "Negative Current".

Shock charge your two coils and see which one picks the most material up after a time lapse. This is where the bifilar coil develops twice the strength compared to the single wire. I hammered seven years on you and you still can't understand what the hell I'm talking about.

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Offline MileHigh

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Re: The bifilar pancake coil at its resonant frequency
« Reply #376 on: April 06, 2017, 04:05:48 AM »
This is where the bifilar coil develops twice the strength compared to the single wire.

No, in fact the bifilar coil does not develop twice the strength of magnetic field as compared to a single-wire coil with the same number of turns.  This argument is a revolving-door at this point in time.

The reason it does not develop twice the magnetic field strength is because the strength of the magnetic field is proportional to the ampere-turns of the coil.

Here are Conrad's two clips that I helped him with from three years ago that prove that the magnetic field strength is the same:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gCEqnX1JsGw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tvDUAcC1hbk

In discussing general issues on the forum, one of its weaknesses is that people can post what is obviously incorrect information and many people that know the information is incorrect will say nothing.  There is only a handful of people that will speak up and make corrections.

It makes me think of the phenomenon in Nature where migrating moose get confused when crossing a river. The calves are very young and some of them can't keep up with the cows when they swim across the river.  So the cows end up swimming back to the original shore to try to find their calves.  What ends up happening is a mass confusion with mother cows swimming back and forth across the river for hours in a desperate attempt to find their young.

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Re: The bifilar pancake coil at its resonant frequency
« Reply #377 on: April 06, 2017, 05:33:31 AM »
@Tinselkoala,

You're just an over grown garbage scrounger. You can't define "Negative Current".

Shock charge your two coils and see which one picks the most material up after a time lapse. This is where the bifilar coil develops twice the strength compared to the single wire. I hammered seven years on you and you still can't understand what the hell I'm talking about.

You are funny. It must be terribly frustrating to be you. Proven wrong over and over, making stuff up out of thin air, misrepresenting everyone's work, posting comment after comment at EF with nobody responding... why don't you try holding your breath until you turn blue and stomping your feet. Maybe you'll get some attention then.

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Re: The bifilar pancake coil at its resonant frequency
« Reply #377 on: April 06, 2017, 05:33:31 AM »
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Offline nelsonrochaa

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Re: The bifilar pancake coil at its resonant frequency
« Reply #378 on: April 06, 2017, 01:41:13 PM »
@Tinselkoala,

.......... You can't define "Negative Current".

Maybe not .... but for sure knows what is negative resistance, or magneto-electrostatic energy  hope so... or maybe otherwize i  will ear that is only "Pseudo science"
Nelson Rocha

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Re: The bifilar pancake coil at its resonant frequency
« Reply #379 on: April 06, 2017, 01:52:54 PM »
Negative current is an imaginary fiction created by those that have active imagination and no real learning.  Current is neither negative or positive.  Voltage can be negative or positive.  But current is just a way of expressing how much electricity is moving through a wire or other conductor.  Trying to define negative current is like trying to define negative gallons.

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Re: The bifilar pancake coil at its resonant frequency
« Reply #379 on: April 06, 2017, 01:52:54 PM »
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Offline ramset

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Re: The bifilar pancake coil at its resonant frequency
« Reply #380 on: April 06, 2017, 01:54:56 PM »
Seems a race is in order here/competition ?

most here don't understand what the claims are ?

if you truly have something special ..it should be able to do something {anything} which standard science can't do

if its a magnetic effect ?it should pull more with less power
a test would be the guy who picks up the most with the least input [WINS

if its a levitation claim
same test
etc etc etc
no need to divulge any secret technologies ,just run a black box test

make a claim and prove it ??
no need for us to see how you are doing it at all
just power in and the claim

a wireless transmission claim ?
very easy to do a contest there

Imagine that ,
you want change in the world ??
be that change and live by example !!

a competition !!

respectfully
Chet k

Offline nelsonrochaa

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Re: The bifilar pancake coil at its resonant frequency
« Reply #381 on: April 06, 2017, 01:55:52 PM »
Negative current is an imaginary fiction created by those that have active imagination and no real learning.  Current is neither negative or positive.  Voltage can be negative or positive.  But current is just a way of expressing how much electricity is moving through a wire or other conductor.

How ... if you say we should believe ..... in fact when you loose your imagination you loose everything...

Nelson Rocha 

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Re: The bifilar pancake coil at its resonant frequency
« Reply #381 on: April 06, 2017, 01:55:52 PM »
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Offline nelsonrochaa

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Re: The bifilar pancake coil at its resonant frequency
« Reply #382 on: April 06, 2017, 02:07:43 PM »
Seems a race is in order here/competition ?

most here don't understand what the claims are ?

if you truly have something special ..it should be able to do something {anything} which standard science can't do

if its a magnetic effect ?it should pull more with less power
a test would be the guy who picks up the most with the least input [WINS

if its a levitation claim
same test
etc etc etc
no need to divulge any secret technologies ,just run a black box test

make a claim and prove it ??
no need for us to see how you are doing it at all
just power in and the claim

a wireless transmission claim ?
very easy to do a contest there

Imagine that ??

respectfully
Chet k

Ramset ,

That is not a contest , ether a competition to me .I did not any "claims" and my work are proved in real world by industries, and judged by electric Eng not by me :) ,in that way seems very fair and impartial,  and i'm not waiting or ask to deserve any validation from no one on this forum . That is clear ?
If i'm search any support to any of my work , it will make more sense i made what you are ask , otherwise not make sense . Sounds logical to you?
If you have interest in what i do, for sure you will find what you want ;)

Respectfully

Nelson Rocha
 

Offline citfta

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Re: The bifilar pancake coil at its resonant frequency
« Reply #383 on: April 06, 2017, 02:24:31 PM »
Hi Nelson,

Let me explain where I am coming from.  I firmly believe we should be seeking new things.  I have been doing OU experiments and research for 10 years now.  There are some on here that don't believe OU or free energy can even be possible.  I am NOT one of those.

I have strong background in electronics.  And when I see someone posting what I know is foolishness I am going to post against that.  WHY, you may ask.  Because I have seen what happens when people blindly follow those that are spouting garbage.  If you wanted to waste a lot of time you can go to the Energetic Forum and find a thread there about an asynchronous motor project.  Several of us tried to get some real answers about this project.  We were ridiculed and cussed out for daring to question the project.  Several people spent several HUNDRED dollars building this special motor that only ended up burning up and drawing huge amounts of current.  Were those of us with electronic backgrounds wrong to question that project?  If we had been listened to, a lot of people would have saved a lot of money.

If you were a highly trained auto mechanic and I came to you and told you I have discovered you can make the engine run better by changing the air in the tires would you listen with an open mind or would you immediately try to tell me I didn't understand about engines.  I know this is a ridiculous example but a lot of what I see on this forum and others is just as ridiculous to those of us that have worked in electronics for years.

I will continue to search for a way to create OU or free energy.  And I know I have to keep an open mind about the possibilities.  But I am not going to be so open minded my brains fall out.

Respectfully,
Carroll

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Re: The bifilar pancake coil at its resonant frequency
« Reply #383 on: April 06, 2017, 02:24:31 PM »
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Offline ramset

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Re: The bifilar pancake coil at its resonant frequency
« Reply #384 on: April 06, 2017, 02:28:44 PM »
Most here haven't a clue what you are trying to show.
everything you have shown is not unusual , but one question I do have
you point to a white power box or ?? in you vid with the water on the coil[I think]
I cannot see what it says or reads there ?

maybe that is where your path is obvious ?
and I missed it??

How can we look when we don't even know your claim ??
or have a frame of reference for comparison ??

regarding "Interested Engineers" looking at things as a claim ?
I see this every day ??

the claim would be nice to know ?


respectfully
Chet K



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Re: The bifilar pancake coil at its resonant frequency
« Reply #385 on: April 06, 2017, 02:58:11 PM »
hereby I claim post #400
hihi
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Re: The bifilar pancake coil at its resonant frequency
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Offline synchro1

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Re: The bifilar pancake coil at its resonant frequency
« Reply #386 on: April 06, 2017, 03:28:09 PM »
Negative current is an imaginary fiction created by those that have active imagination and no real learning.  Current is neither negative or positive.  Voltage can be negative or positive.  But current is just a way of expressing how much electricity is moving through a wire or other conductor.  Trying to define negative current is like trying to define negative gallons.

Lawerance Tsueng is about 10,000 times brighter then you; You stinking fraud. Stop misrepresenting basic fundamentals as though you can outshine his "Search Light" mind with your dead lighting bug luminescence. You are dumber than pig shit.

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Re: The bifilar pancake coil at its resonant frequency
« Reply #387 on: April 06, 2017, 04:04:40 PM »
evostar
there was a day here where Allen's post above would add 100 pages of flame wars in 5 minutes
a better goal would be

what have we accomplished in these 400 posts ??

seems we have one opportunity with Allen to investigate a claim , if he can bite the lip and post a claim or experiment to bolster
his claim.??

Allen ??
cussing , swearing and name calling makes your argument look weak .
do you have a simple "proof of concept"

Chet K


 

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Re: The bifilar pancake coil at its resonant frequency
« Reply #388 on: April 06, 2017, 04:22:32 PM »
evostar
there was a day here where Allen's post above would add 100 pages of flame wars in 5 minutes
a better goal would be

what have we accomplished in these 400 posts ??

seems we have one opportunity with Allen to investigate a claim , if he can bite the lip and post a claim or experiment to bolster
his claim.??

Allen ??
cussing , swearing and name calling makes your argument look weak .
do you have a simple "proof of concept"

Chet K

                                                                                                                                                                           
"When the magnet is moved away, current flows in the opposite direction in the solenoid".

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Offline nelsonrochaa

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Re: The bifilar pancake coil at its resonant frequency
« Reply #389 on: April 06, 2017, 04:41:14 PM »
Hi Nelson,

Let me explain where I am coming from.  I firmly believe we should be seeking new things.  I have been doing OU experiments and research for 10 years now.  There are some on here that don't believe OU or free energy can even be possible.  I am NOT one of those.

I have strong background in electronics.  And when I see someone posting what I know is foolishness I am going to post against that.  WHY, you may ask.  Because I have seen what happens when people blindly follow those that are spouting garbage.  If you wanted to waste a lot of time you can go to the Energetic Forum and find a thread there about an asynchronous motor project.  Several of us tried to get some real answers about this project.  We were ridiculed and cussed out for daring to question the project.  Several people spent several HUNDRED dollars building this special motor that only ended up burning up and drawing huge amounts of current.  Were those of us with electronic backgrounds wrong to question that project?  If we had been listened to, a lot of people would have saved a lot of money.

If you were a highly trained auto mechanic and I came to you and told you I have discovered you can make the engine run better by changing the air in the tires would you listen with an open mind or would you immediately try to tell me I didn't understand about engines.  I know this is a ridiculous example but a lot of what I see on this forum and others is just as ridiculous to those of us that have worked in electronics for years.

I will continue to search for a way to create OU or free energy.  And I know I have to keep an open mind about the possibilities.  But I am not going to be so open minded my brains fall out.

Respectfully,
Carroll


“Let me explain where I am coming from. I firmly believe we should be seeking new things. I have been doing OU experiments and research for 10 years now. “

Carrol , to me is not relevant where you came from , because you simple don't consider even where i come from  .

“There are some on here that don't believe OU or free energy can even be possible. I am NOT one of those.”

Carrol everything is energy, the  process  used to convert energy could be not  free , and i glad that you think that could be possible exist OU otherwise not make sense you private in this forum everyday .

“I have strong background in electronics. And when I see someone posting what I know is foolishness I am going to post against that.”

Is legitime that you made that for sure , and i respect otherwise what would become of us without freedom of expression?


 “Because I have seen what happens when people blindly follow those that are spouting garbage. If you wanted to waste a lot of time you can go to the Energetic Forum and find a thread there about an asynchronous motor project.”

I real don't understand the meaning of your sentence , Did i mentioned any thing about  asynchronous motor ? I do not remember make that sorry .
Are you try persuade me to leave this forum?
If this is the case, you should first think that this forum is not restricted to a small group, in addition I think that you have not been given authority to do so.
If you consider my presence uncomfortable, I suggest you talk to Stefan and relate the situation , in that way it will be more fair and impartial what may happen next.

 “Several people spent several HUNDRED dollars building this special motor that only ended up burning up and drawing huge amounts of current. Were those of us with electronic backgrounds wrong to question that project? If we had been listened to, a lot of people would have saved a lot of money.”

Sorry but where i put any diagram to replicate my present work or persuade to do something  ?
 My last circuit that i publish in this forum was almost 3 years when i work in opensource and with less then 10€ you or anyone could replicate them .
So where you sentence apply to me ? I simple don't understand .

“If you were a highly trained auto mechanic and I came to you and told you I have discovered you can make the engine run better by changing the air in the tires would you listen with an open mind or would you immediately try to tell me I didn't understand about engines. I know this is a ridiculous example but a lot of what I see on this forum and others is just as ridiculous to those of us that have worked in electronics for years.”

“ I agree with you , but for sure i will ask them way he think in that way to understand their reasons to say that  . About what you think is ridiculous that is other story ….

“I will continue to search for a way to create OU or free energy. And I know I have to keep an open mind about the possibilities. But I am not going to be so open minded my brains fall out.”

I respect your choice , It is up to each one to choose the path he takes, some choose the easiest path, others choose more winding paths, but it all boils down to a personal choice.


Respectfully,


Nelson Rocha

 

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