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Author Topic: The bifilar pancake coil at its resonant frequency  (Read 303348 times)

Online citfta

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Re: The bifilar pancake coil at its resonant frequency
« Reply #120 on: March 26, 2017, 09:45:29 PM »
Hi Zephir,

It appears you have been doing a lot of studying searching for Overunity.  I also started about 10 years ago looking into the area of OU after finding a website about the John Bedini SSG.  Since I have over 50 years experience in electronics I wanted to investigate his claims.  What I learned is the SSG is simply a very efficient circuit for moving a wheel with magnets on it. It might interest you to know the Bulova Accutron watch that was invented in the late 1950s and introduced on the market in 1960 uses the almost exact same circuit.  It just uses that circuit to vibrate a tuning fork instead of moving a wheel.

Like you, I also got caught up in all the pseudo science jargon of moving the aether and scalar waves etc.  Ten years later I now know most of that is just hype to sell books.  Those words are used to impress the uneducated and to lead them away from any real research.  I don't know of a single person that ever got the MEG to work.  I know someone that is a personal friend of Tom Beardon and he doesn't have a working MEG either.

Getting an education from YouTube videos is not the way to learn about real electronics.  You need to take the time to really learn how things work if you expect to be able to accomplish anything.  I compare that to a person that wants to go exploring new territory but doesn't want to take the time to learn how to use a map or even study to see what areas are already explored.  Over and over again I see someone posting here and on other OU type sites about some great "new" discovery they think they have made.  When in fact they have just discovered a well know function or operation of a device or circuit.

I wrote all that to post this.  What MileHigh is telling you about the pancake bifiler coil is correct.  I am not saying that because we are great friends or something.  In fact I don't agree with him in a couple of areas which we won't go into here. But his explanations for the way a coil works are correct.  I have found no evidence to believe there is anything else going on with the bifiler coil.

Just so you will understand where I am coming from I DO believe OU may be possible.  I have built many many circuits and machines over the last 10 years looking for OU.  I am not a naysayer about OU.  But I think we have to forget all the nonsense posted on YouTube and other places and stick to what the evidence shows while looking for new evidence that may show us more.  Throwing away the old evidence when there is no new evidence is not very smart.

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Carroll

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Re: The bifilar pancake coil at its resonant frequency
« Reply #121 on: March 26, 2017, 09:55:06 PM »
But why the plain resonance should create it?
Good question.


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Re: The bifilar pancake coil at its resonant frequency
« Reply #122 on: March 26, 2017, 09:56:34 PM »
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I am not a naysayer about OU.  But I think we have to forget all the nonsense posted on OU and other places and stick to what the evidence shows while looking for new evidence that may show us more.  Throwing away the old evidence when there is no new evidence is not very smart.
New evidence emerges each day - it just emerges in private sector, which you cannot get more information from (Akula, Infinity SAV team, etc.) Don't expect, someone of these guys will kindly tell you, how his device is actually working. We must find it together here again from scratch. Of course, you can just wait for new evidence outside this forum - but don't expect, that someone will give you more information than for example Akula did. And I'm not throwing old evidence at all - instead of it, I'm just explaining you here, what the old and new overunity devices have in common and how to explain/interpret their similarity in most straightforward way.

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Re: The bifilar pancake coil at its resonant frequency
« Reply #122 on: March 26, 2017, 09:56:34 PM »
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Re: The bifilar pancake coil at its resonant frequency
« Reply #123 on: March 26, 2017, 10:17:28 PM »
this topic thread seems to have stirred alot.
a lot of posts in less then a week.

but a lot of it, is simply off topic. I dont like this.  :(

please make your own topics,  where you can discuss them.


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Re: The bifilar pancake coil at its resonant frequency
« Reply #124 on: March 26, 2017, 10:34:32 PM »
Is there any reason to prevent people from having different opinions?
Is there any extra motivation for this type of behavior here demonstrated by a certain element?

For this type of people who think and proclaim their wisdom as absolute there are forums where the word Overunity is not used and where they can demonstrate all their "recital" of information to those who agree with their perspectives.
This is a free opinion site, and I completely agree that there are different opinions, but imposing something as absolute and wanting to force people to eat the same "straw" they eat seems to me a bit altruistic.
Most have already understood the divergent opinions, and now? What do you want more?
What is the concern about our different point of view on a certain subject?
We have already fully understood your opinion. Nothing more to add ...

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Re: The bifilar pancake coil at its resonant frequency
« Reply #124 on: March 26, 2017, 10:34:32 PM »
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Re: The bifilar pancake coil at its resonant frequency
« Reply #125 on: March 26, 2017, 10:36:20 PM »
You are doing great work evostars.  I'd really like to see you and Nelson
keep moving forward.  Best you can, try to ignore the noise.

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Re: The bifilar pancake coil at its resonant frequency
« Reply #126 on: March 26, 2017, 10:41:11 PM »
Quote from: citfta
John Bedini SSG is simply a very efficient circuit for moving a wheel with magnets on it. ... Bulova Accutron ..just uses that circuit to vibrate a tuning fork instead of moving a wheel
If you believe it's the same circuit, then you can never replicate anything from overunity circles, because your resolving power is too low. You're in position of tribesmen, who want to replicate plane. Nearly the same applies to attempts for replication of overunity devices without any underlying theory - simply by looking at attempts of others. You can succeed only by pure accident after then.

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Re: The bifilar pancake coil at its resonant frequency
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Re: The bifilar pancake coil at its resonant frequency
« Reply #127 on: March 26, 2017, 10:54:52 PM »
Is there any reason to prevent people from having different opinions?

Yes indeed, this is a discussion forum and different points of view can and should be heard.  It's the whole idea behind a discussion forum.

If you believe it's the same circuit, then you can never replicate anything from overunity circles, because your resolving power is too low. You're in position of tribesmen, who want to replicate plane. Nearly the same applies to attempts for replication of overunity devices without any underlying theory - simply by looking at attempts of others. You can succeed only by pure accident after then.

I suppose the key question is who is building the plane and who is looking at the spectacle of those building the plane?

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Re: The bifilar pancake coil at its resonant frequency
« Reply #128 on: March 26, 2017, 10:55:00 PM »

Like you, I also got caught up in all the pseudo science jargon of moving the aether and scalar waves etc.  Ten years later I now know most of that is just hype to sell books.  Those words are used to impress the uneducated and to lead them away from any real research. 

Sorry Carrol but i really don't understand what you try say with pseudo science when you talk of ether . In the time that word  is "founded" There was not the same disinformation motivation that exists today or even to sell books, and is unquestionable and undeniable  the contribution by the father of the word aether Sir Oliver Lodge to science , and after used by Nikola Tesla too .
As I mentioned earlier, this forum is free and we all have different opinions, but the contribution of those same people I mentioned is undeniable even when Discredited and censored by some people like happens in out times and for sure will continue happen .
In that way i could say the time is the best judge.

Respectfully :

Nelson Rocha
 

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Re: The bifilar pancake coil at its resonant frequency
« Reply #128 on: March 26, 2017, 10:55:00 PM »
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Re: The bifilar pancake coil at its resonant frequency
« Reply #129 on: March 26, 2017, 11:00:13 PM »
Yes indeed, this is a discussion forum and different points of view can and should be heard.  It's the whole idea behind a discussion forum.

I suppose the key question is who is building the plane and who is looking at the spectacle of those building the plane?

I will repeat myself :

We already hear your opinion ,  but you can not impose your ideas on others. We have already noticed your opinion and I am grateful for it. Do you have anything else to add?


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Re: The bifilar pancake coil at its resonant frequency
« Reply #130 on: March 26, 2017, 11:01:37 PM »
If you believe it's the same circuit, then you can never replicate anything from overunity circles, because your resolving power is too low. You're in position of tribesmen, who want to replicate plane. Nearly the same applies to attempts for replication of overunity devices without any underlying theory - simply by looking at attempts of others. You can succeed only by pure accident after then.

Sorry Zephir, but your comment make absolutely no sense.  Have you even looked at the circuit for the Bulova watch?  It uses a magnet to trigger a coil connected to the base of a transistor to turn on the drive coils which vibrate the tuning fork.  I understand it perfectly because I do have the theory to back it up.

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Re: The bifilar pancake coil at its resonant frequency
« Reply #131 on: March 26, 2017, 11:03:23 PM »
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pseudo science jargon of moving the aether and scalar waves
You're at overunity forum and I can assure you, that overunity is even bigger pseudoscience for mainstream physicists, than the aether concept (which at least some mainstream physicists (I mean Nobelists) believe in). But it just seems for me, this site is already driven by people, the agenda of which is to dilute every discussion, which could make the overunity more real for masses.

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Re: The bifilar pancake coil at its resonant frequency
« Reply #132 on: March 26, 2017, 11:06:13 PM »
Sorry Carrol but i really don't understand what you try say with pseudo science when you talk of ether . In the time that word  is "founded" There was not the same disinformation motivation that exists today or even to sell books, and is unquestionable and undeniable  the contribution by the father of the word aether Sir Oliver Lodge to science , and after used by Nikola Tesla too .
As I mentioned earlier, this forum is free and we all have different opinions, but the contribution of those same people I mentioned is undeniable even when Discredited and censored by some people like happens in out times and for sure will continue happen .
In that way i could say the time is the best judge.

Respectfully :

Nelson Rocha

Hi Nelson,

Yes I am aware of the proper use of the term "ether" but you have to admit the way it is misused today is not the way it was used by Tesla and others.

Carroll

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Re: The bifilar pancake coil at its resonant frequency
« Reply #133 on: March 26, 2017, 11:13:05 PM »
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Have you even looked at the circuit for the Bulova watch?
The mechanical arrangement of Accutron watches is completely different from Bedinni's Monopole Mechanical Oscillator - and I'm not even looking at their circuit. In Accutron watches the magnetic circuit gets never interrupted, both coils have magnetic field oriented in the same direction (no monopole is thus there) and so on. It has no meaning to discuss such a BS as it would completely diverge the discussion. You could replicate Bedini's motor another one hundred years without success with such an ignorant attitude.

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Re: The bifilar pancake coil at its resonant frequency
« Reply #134 on: March 26, 2017, 11:18:24 PM »
Hi Nelson,

Yes I am aware of the proper use of the term "ether" but you have to admit the way it is misused today is not the way it was used by Tesla and others.

Carroll

Carrol i agree with you when you say that is misused today by a lot of people , but you will agree for sure just because some could do that , we should say that words is all pseudo science. I read a lot where i can include some of books of Oliver lodge  , and i don't come just to throw up what I read , because need to be understood  in different temporal context  .
I will recommend you one of the best book that you should read if you do not know,  The Ether of Space . I like to in particular the Modern Scientific Ideas .

Respectfully

Nelson Rocha


 

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