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Author Topic: The bifilar pancake coil at its resonant frequency  (Read 495914 times)

TinselKoala

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Re: The bifilar pancake coil at its resonant frequency
« Reply #945 on: April 17, 2017, 02:45:25 AM »

@Tinselkoala,

Another "Krell 7th level" Scope Shot? That's the same scope you can't read "Negative Current" off of!  It would help  to understand Australian to translate this: A watt hour is a negative Henry.

Neither you nor Milehigh has ever had a Physics course nor can either of you read or understand the Algebraic expressions we use in the "Henry Formula". This is where you both turn into Hydro-encpheletic Pinheads.

Wrong again, several times over, and again more applicable to Synchro himself as anyone can see from previous posts concerning differential calculus, basic algebra, units, and definitions of electrical terminology.

And of course .... preserved yet more of the nine-year-old petulant child's insults for the record.

"A watt-hour is a negative Henry".... what a laugh.  A WATT-HOUR is a measure of ENERGY, and its units are JOULES. A HENRY is a measure of INDUCTANCE and can be expressed as Joules/Amps2. The two are in no way equal or "equivalent" no matter where you put the minus sign.

TinselKoala

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Re: The bifilar pancake coil at its resonant frequency
« Reply #946 on: April 17, 2017, 02:47:01 AM »
@Milehigh and Tinselkoala,

I first mentioned "Negative-micro henries to you booth on Gotolucs Than Heinz regenerative gain video, and I insisted you include a "Negative Henry value as a gain of power factor to add onto the COP. Neither of you had a clue and that raised an eyebrow on you frauds back then.

Null content, except for the "frauds" accusation, which is here preserved for the evidential record.

And by the way, Thane Heinz never produced a single Joule of excess energy.

TinselKoala

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Re: The bifilar pancake coil at its resonant frequency
« Reply #947 on: April 17, 2017, 02:50:20 AM »
Now, if I can get a word in edgewise between the Ainslie-esque off-topic tramplings of the troll Synchro...

Here is yet another frequency sweep. Previous ones were linear, here is a log sweep from 1 kHz to 5 MHz, clearly showing the "notch" at 273kHz indicating parallel LC performance. This is 2 sweeps of 30 seconds each.

MileHigh

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Re: The bifilar pancake coil at its resonant frequency
« Reply #948 on: April 17, 2017, 02:53:01 AM »
@Milehigh and Tinselkoala,

I first mentioned "Negative-micro henries" to you both on Gotolucs Than Heinz regenerative gain video, and I insisted you include a "Negative Henry" value as a gain of power factor to add onto the COP. Neither of you had a clue and that raised an eyebrow on you frauds back then. A higher inductance coil field would factor into an electric power equivalent to deduct from the input. You two sneaked 'Rim Lead" onto the tote wheel in favor of loss.

I think you need some cheese to soothe your aching psyche.

MileHigh

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Re: The bifilar pancake coil at its resonant frequency
« Reply #949 on: April 17, 2017, 02:58:06 AM »
Great work TK!  The mysteries of the series bifilar pancake coil explored!

synchro1

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Re: The bifilar pancake coil at its resonant frequency
« Reply #950 on: April 17, 2017, 02:59:52 AM »

@Milehigh,

How much electricity is in a magnet?

Dr. Dragone whom I've cited and done videos about evolved his doctoral thesis on these equations.

synchro1

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Re: The bifilar pancake coil at its resonant frequency
« Reply #951 on: April 17, 2017, 03:03:56 AM »
I advised John Bedini on his "Ferris Wheel Motor," and can make it easy to understand how it works.

synchro1

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Re: The bifilar pancake coil at its resonant frequency
« Reply #952 on: April 17, 2017, 03:15:36 AM »
Do you people realize that if we position a Tesla bifilar pancake between a transmitter and receiver  bi-spirals, that the third middle coil will spontaneously generate power at the same resonating frequency of the transmission wave, and double the range minus resistance in the wires?

TinselKoala

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Re: The bifilar pancake coil at its resonant frequency
« Reply #953 on: April 17, 2017, 03:19:52 AM »
Would you look at that?

"Daddy... how much electricity is in a magnet?"

I haven't heard that one since nursery school.

TinselKoala

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Re: The bifilar pancake coil at its resonant frequency
« Reply #954 on: April 17, 2017, 03:21:22 AM »
Do you people realize that if we position a Tesla bifilar pancake between a transmitter and receiver  bi-spirals, that the third middle coil will spontaneously generate power at the same resonating frequency of the transmission wave, and double the range minus resistance in the wires?

Congratulations, you've invented the air-core transformer!

(What is the unit of "spontaneous generation"?  The FruitFly? )

TinselKoala

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Re: The bifilar pancake coil at its resonant frequency
« Reply #955 on: April 17, 2017, 03:28:27 AM »
Great work TK!  The mysteries of the series bifilar pancake coil explored!

Thanx! It's work anyone can do for themselves if they follow your suggestions and have the knowledge, the skills and the equipment necessary. Too bad some people posting here have none of the above.

Here are 30 second sweeps from 1kHz to 25MHz of the monofilar pancake coil. Same setup, big difference. The voltage across the resistor does not rise again after the minimum is reached. The little bumps at the end are due to my cheapo DDS FG crapping out and not making a decent sinewave any more.

synchro1

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Re: The bifilar pancake coil at its resonant frequency
« Reply #956 on: April 17, 2017, 04:28:18 AM »
Thanx! It's work anyone can do for themselves if they follow your suggestions and have the knowledge, the skills and the equipment necessary. Too bad some people posting here have none of the above.

Here are 30 second sweeps from 1kHz to 25MHz of the monofilar pancake coil. Same setup, big difference. The voltage across the resistor does not rise again after the minimum is reached. The little bumps at the end are due to my cheapo DDS FG crapping out and not making a decent sinewave any more.

@Tinselkoala,

No one can trust you to hook anything up right. You can't figure out how Bedini ran his "Ferris Wheel"!

TinselKoala

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Re: The bifilar pancake coil at its resonant frequency
« Reply #957 on: April 17, 2017, 04:31:55 AM »

Here is a scopeshot of the TBF pancake coil (661 uH, FR = 273.2 kHz) being stimulated by a sine wave at the resonant frequency. The Blue trace is the source frequency,  the Yellow trace is the voltage across the current sensing resistor as used in the previous scopeshots connected as MH specified, and the Purple trace is the signal from a "pickup coil" (actually the monofilar pancake, it was the first thing handy to grab) suspended a couple of cm away from the TBF coil. Not connected (but share the common ground of course). It is clearly getting a voltage induced in it. But the current sensing resistor on the TBF coil is showing zero voltage across the resistor, which should mean no current flowing through it. Clearly, the TBF is still generating a magnetic field that alternates at its driven frequency, otherwise it could not induce a voltage in the pickup coil. Right?

(Inspired by Gyula's questions, thanks!)

TinselKoala

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Re: The bifilar pancake coil at its resonant frequency
« Reply #958 on: April 17, 2017, 04:36:32 AM »
@Tinselkoala,

No one can trust you to hook anything up right. You can't figure out how Bedini ran his "Ferris Wheel"!

It must be horrible to be you, baby doll. You are so insecure. You will lie, sling innuendos, make unsupportable claims and even Ainslie-troll threads to try to bury discussions you don't like, in order to salvage your pitiful insecure ego. You should have your doctor check your medications, because your paranoia level is off-scale and you are clearly in a meltdown phase.

I can clearly show that my connections are correct, and ANYONE, even you, can CHECK MY WORK and see if I am doing it properly or not.

And there is no mystery at all about any of Bedini's motors. By the way, this thread is not about Bedini motors.

TinselKoala

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Re: The bifilar pancake coil at its resonant frequency
« Reply #959 on: April 17, 2017, 05:01:50 AM »
So, here's a frequency log sweep from 1 kHz to 5 MHz of the same setup as in the previous scopeshot (two full sweeps of 30 seconds shown). Stimulating the TBF coil of 661 uH and FR of 273.2 kHz.

Blue, stimulating sine wave; Yellow, voltage across the 9.4 ohm resistor in series with TBF coil and FG; Purple, pickup monofilar coil separated by about 1 cm from the TBF by wooden spacers and clothespins.

The big clipped peak in the Purple trace happens at the monofilar's resonant frequency of about 1.24 MHz.