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Author Topic: The bifilar pancake coil at its resonant frequency  (Read 360681 times)

Offline TinselKoala

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Re: The bifilar pancake coil at its resonant frequency
« Reply #615 on: April 11, 2017, 04:52:39 AM »
@Tinselkoala,


Admit you can't define "Negative Micro-Henry" and I'll start teaching you. In the mean time, knock off the cheap wisecracks.

https://lmgtfy.com/

Feel free to cite any valid reference you like. But you couldn't teach a fish to swim.

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Re: The bifilar pancake coil at its resonant frequency
« Reply #616 on: April 11, 2017, 04:53:26 AM »
Tell me what happens in this setup

Is that you again, Chris?

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Re: The bifilar pancake coil at its resonant frequency
« Reply #617 on: April 11, 2017, 05:11:18 AM »
The coils are not bucking but aiding , wound on an air cored toroid.

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Re: The bifilar pancake coil at its resonant frequency
« Reply #617 on: April 11, 2017, 05:11:18 AM »
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Offline TinselKoala

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Re: The bifilar pancake coil at its resonant frequency
« Reply #618 on: April 11, 2017, 05:28:44 AM »
The coils are not bucking but aiding , wound on an air cored toroid.
Then isn't the S end of one coil connected to the N end of the other?

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Re: The bifilar pancake coil at its resonant frequency
« Reply #619 on: April 11, 2017, 11:18:47 AM »

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Battery is source when switch is on - coil becomes the source when switch is off.
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That is okay but there is still a problem in your drawing, see it below.

Gyula

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Offline tinman

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Re: The bifilar pancake coil at its resonant frequency
« Reply #620 on: April 11, 2017, 01:03:18 PM »
T. K.                              Battery is source when switch is on - coil becomes the source when switch is off

I would say no.
The collapsing magnetic field becomes the source ,when switch becomes open.
The coil converts this collapsing/changing magnetic field into current flow-much like an ICE converts gasoline into rotational torque.
The changing magnetic field is the fuel.


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Re: The bifilar pancake coil at its resonant frequency
« Reply #621 on: April 11, 2017, 01:04:06 PM »

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Offline tinman

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Re: The bifilar pancake coil at its resonant frequency
« Reply #622 on: April 11, 2017, 01:10:50 PM »
Negative current

Current flowing through a wire in both directions at the same time

Negative micro Heneries

OU pancake coils

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hnzHtm1jhL4

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Re: The bifilar pancake coil at its resonant frequency
« Reply #623 on: April 11, 2017, 01:18:18 PM »
I posted this a while back but I am going to post it again for the benefit (maybe) of the people that don't seem to like the idea of peer review.

I couple of years ago I put together a circuit that was showing more power out than in.  I was excited.  I shared it on a forum and Luc asked if he could replicate it.  I knew his reputation and of course said yes.  When he got it completed he did not get the same results I did.  We went over together the circuit and his was exactly like mine.  He then suggested I recheck my meters.  When I did I found that the trusty meter I had been using for years was actually reading the input power much lower than it really was.  It had always been very accurate before so something had happened to it.  I thanked Luc for helping me and apologized for getting everyone excited over another circuit that didn't pan out.  That is what peer review is about.  We check each other and verify or not the results someone claims.
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Hi Carroll,

I'm full agree with your own example,

His important we admit things like happened to you , because sometimes meters could have defective problems or even measure incorrectly under some circumstances ,  and is a good procedure our work be validate by external independent people , with the right tools and other technical know how, and even that could be not enough because some manifestations could be not measurable because their nature , make interested people need to find other valid ways of measurement, and study some of that manifestations to reach a result .

Ever time i see my systems validate by independent persons in industry  , i get happy even when results could be not what i will like hear , and that is the spirit , search all time by true . is not that almost people search ?

Myself believe in that 500% , the only thing that i disagree, is  that  someone be "judged" only by assumptions  and that is clearly not a good way to deal with things.

We could find several examples in internet youtube of some announced "free energy" devices in last years and our first reaction will be say is a bullshit , because we could clearly see that devices not fit in a reasonable meaning of our present knowledge , but we knows , most of this videos was made only to catch attentions to earn some money  , damaging the reputation of true researchers in this area , and that to me seems not reasonable , being me , believer in this field of alternative research . 

We should be very carefull, when we are make "judges" of something without any real data . I Really believe that some people on that forum have really high technical knowledge like you,  but that could be sometimes a two sides knife if their assume that is nothing to be understood.

Myself in some my work presentations in "real life"  , already saw more than one time former Eng people from independent  company's have similar behavior,  only attack me based in their own already acquire knowledge, and even without i show anything ,  and after we go to practical tests and even with their own measurements and tests, they say  that some of things that they see, are not reasonable under their knowledge  and should not possible to happen in "real world" , and they are judge by direct observation not by videos, and with their own measures, their own tools .

In that way seems to me not reasonable that most of times people in this forum with new ideas, be judge by others without any know particular data , and only based in assumptions, strangle their own evolution sometimes .

I'm not referring to myself in particularly, because i not share my work to be evaluated in this forum in opensource  , but i'm talk about several others researchers that work in open source that sometimes see their effort and dedication not respected when they are judge in that way .

We should think that we are all learning every minute that we breath , and we should not impose something like indisputable because we have several laws that actually need to be reformulated not to delete the work done so far, but improve the same, otherwise the humankind is not growing but dying.


Cheers

Nelson Rocha
 






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Re: The bifilar pancake coil at its resonant frequency
« Reply #623 on: April 11, 2017, 01:18:18 PM »
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Re: The bifilar pancake coil at its resonant frequency
« Reply #624 on: April 11, 2017, 01:29:57 PM »
Negative current

Current flowing through a wire in both directions at the same time

Negative micro Heneries

OU pancake coils

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hnzHtm1jhL4

This is the spirit of some ....

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Re: The bifilar pancake coil at its resonant frequency
« Reply #625 on: April 11, 2017, 01:39:45 PM »
https://lmgtfy.com/

Feel free to cite any valid reference you like. But you couldn't teach a fish to swim.

@Tinselkola,

You'll find the answer in comment #12 by me as Allen Burgess on evostars bifilar coil thread at the Energetic Forum site.

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Re: The bifilar pancake coil at its resonant frequency
« Reply #625 on: April 11, 2017, 01:39:45 PM »
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Re: The bifilar pancake coil at its resonant frequency
« Reply #626 on: April 11, 2017, 01:41:11 PM »
Negative current

Current flowing through a wire in both directions at the same time

Negative micro Heneries

OU pancake coils

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hnzHtm1jhL4

@Tinman,

Overdose on dose Mr. Webster!


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Re: The bifilar pancake coil at its resonant frequency
« Reply #627 on: April 11, 2017, 02:22:16 PM »
@Tinman,

Overdose on dose Mr. Webster!
Dear synchro

Before you try and show the impossible,how about you first show the simple--that being,current flowing in the opposite direction of an inductor/coil,when the source current is disconnected.

You have now been asked on a number of occasions to do this 1 simple thing,but instead of doing that,you now start on negative micro Henry's(what ever that means),negative current(another term plucked out of thin air)and current flowing in two opposite directions at the same time,in a single wire.

Forget about trying to walk before you run--how about trying a simple crawl first.


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Re: The bifilar pancake coil at its resonant frequency
« Reply #628 on: April 11, 2017, 02:34:25 PM »
@ Synchro and Zephir

As the two of you seem quite contempt to bad mouth those here that do know better,and have 1000's of hours on the bench,carrying out the very experiments you have put forth,and made wild claims about,and insist that they know not what they are talking about,i am formally asking the both of you to back up your claims with actual experimental data and results.

If you both continue to bad mouth those that !DO! know better than yourselves,then your comments will be removed.

The only posts i want to see from you both,is those which back up your claims,by way of replicable experiments that show results that back up your claims.


Hows that for some moderation Zephir,as you insisted that i do it.  ;)


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Re: The bifilar pancake coil at its resonant frequency
« Reply #629 on: April 11, 2017, 03:17:51 PM »
Dear synchro

Before you try and show the impossible,how about you first show the simple--that being,current flowing in the opposite direction of an inductor/coil,when the source current is disconnected.

You have now been asked on a number of occasions to do this 1 simple thing,but instead of doing that,you now start on negative micro Henry's(what ever that means),negative current(another term plucked out of thin air)and current flowing in two opposite directions at the same time,in a single wire.

Forget about trying to walk before you run--how about trying a simple crawl first.


Brad

@Tinman,

What's the minus sign for on the analog amp meter (On the left)?

 

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