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Author Topic: The bifilar pancake coil at its resonant frequency  (Read 357744 times)

Offline citfta

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Re: The bifilar pancake coil at its resonant frequency
« Reply #510 on: April 08, 2017, 07:58:15 PM »
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Re: The bifilar pancake coil at its resonant frequency
« Reply #511 on: April 08, 2017, 08:10:02 PM »
@Tinselkola,


Maybe the green LED is non-flickering because there's no flyback from your "Joule Thief" bifilar.

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Re: The bifilar pancake coil at its resonant frequency
« Reply #512 on: April 08, 2017, 08:35:12 PM »
And neither do other coils.

The Tesla bifilar coil behaves in the same way as a straight winding coil in my "Coil Current Direction" demonstrations.

Both you and Zephir have been unable to explain why, if coil current reverses direction, the Blue LED flashes but the Green LED does not.


@Tinselkoala,


I stated that the Tesla bifilar does not generate negative current when the current's interrupted, and you replied that "neither do other coils". What about the "Ruhmkopff Coil Secondary"?

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Re: The bifilar pancake coil at its resonant frequency
« Reply #512 on: April 08, 2017, 08:35:12 PM »
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Offline ramset

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Re: The bifilar pancake coil at its resonant frequency
« Reply #513 on: April 08, 2017, 08:54:22 PM »
Allen
dragging out the steel cage
we're giving this man his thread back

will post a link to the thread shortly

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Re: The bifilar pancake coil at its resonant frequency
« Reply #514 on: April 08, 2017, 08:56:31 PM »
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Quote


This quote says everything about this "Quack".

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Re: The bifilar pancake coil at its resonant frequency
« Reply #514 on: April 08, 2017, 08:56:31 PM »
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Offline synchro1

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Re: The bifilar pancake coil at its resonant frequency
« Reply #515 on: April 08, 2017, 09:02:25 PM »
Allen
dragging out the steel cage
we're giving this man his thread back

will post a link to the thread shortly

Ohh
and house rules ...no low blows ,Biting or eye pokes....
and TOS applies

what say yee
Yeah or nay??


@Ramset,



Start a new thread for your "Free Association" click. This is a thread about Tesla's bifilar coil and should stay the thread.

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Re: The bifilar pancake coil at its resonant frequency
« Reply #516 on: April 08, 2017, 09:05:22 PM »
Lidmotor stated softly, in one of his flyback videos, that after a PM exchange with one of our heavyweights that he realized the person in question really didn't understand the meaning of "Self Inductance". Anyone care to guess who?

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Re: The bifilar pancake coil at its resonant frequency
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Offline ramset

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Re: The bifilar pancake coil at its resonant frequency
« Reply #517 on: April 08, 2017, 09:22:19 PM »
Syncro

if you noticed in the post you just quoted ?
read it again !!

 YES it will be in another thread !!
and TOS will apply
cleaning out the steel cage now ...

will have the thread link here in a bit




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Re: The bifilar pancake coil at its resonant frequency
« Reply #518 on: April 08, 2017, 09:34:37 PM »
Synchro
here is your new thread ,keep it clean...shut the lights off when you leave
and follow House rules TOS
all must follow house rules

it is a moderated area too

http://overunity.com/17217/investigating-the-claims-of-member-syncro-1/new/#new

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Re: The bifilar pancake coil at its resonant frequency
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Re: The bifilar pancake coil at its resonant frequency
« Reply #519 on: April 08, 2017, 10:19:57 PM »
One eyed King in the land of the blind!

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Re: The bifilar pancake coil at its resonant frequency
« Reply #520 on: April 09, 2017, 02:26:24 PM »
Of course it does behave in the same way in the coil current test with respect to current direction when the power is interrupted .... I have tested it! Where are YOUR DEMONSTRATIONS, credible outside references, and/or experiments of your own that refute my findings and demonstrations?

Nowhere. All you have is words and faulty contentions that you cannot back up with your own work.

Once again I challenge you to explain the LED flashes in my Coil Current demonstrations, especially the second one. You have dodged this challenge several times... since the flashes clearly falsify your claim that the current reverses.

I think that many believe that because the voltage inverts across the coil,when the source current through the coil is interrupted,that the flow of current must also invert-change direction through the coil.

Yes,the voltage across the coil inverts,when the source current flowing through the coil is interrupted,but the current through the coil keeps flowing in the same direction-only now,the source is the collapsing magnetic field around the coil.


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Re: The bifilar pancake coil at its resonant frequency
« Reply #520 on: April 09, 2017, 02:26:24 PM »
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Re: The bifilar pancake coil at its resonant frequency
« Reply #521 on: April 09, 2017, 03:19:45 PM »
Hi @Tinman,  I know that overunity people are all liberals by their very nature - but as a moderator you should move all off-topic comments into their corresponding threads - not to feed them with their discussion in their original thread. The question of current after interruption of coil is theoretical question of CLASSICAL physics. The overunity forums are losing their original drive and they get flooded with ignorant pathoskeptics - today most of progress actually comes from private researchers and the classical overunity forums are just watching this development in silent surprise. This is because the free hoarded community is maybe creative and inventive, but it remains undisciplined and lazy enough for implementation of its own ideas. What I'm missing here is streamlined brainstorming of experts leading to proposal and testing of particular circuits. The clueless senior twaddling is indeed mentally comfortable - but it leads nowhere.

If you want to achieve overunity, you should do many things in opposite way, than the common well behaving electricians are doing. The energy dissipating devices use transverse EM wave (light) - so you should use the longitudinal ones. Good boys electricians are using layered coils with serial windings - so you should use bifilar coils with alternating current in winding. Good electricians use planar capacitors with plates of equal area - so you have to use spherical capacitors with non-equal plates. Good boys electricians use DC current or AC current in harmonic waves - so you should use pulses. And so on...

Attached: simulation of coil breaker in Falstad's simulator

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Re: The bifilar pancake coil at its resonant frequency
« Reply #522 on: April 09, 2017, 03:20:13 PM »
Assuming anyone's watched my 48 Hex nut locking video; How far can we stretch the wire and what's the upward limit on the number of nuts per spark of locking power?

Is the lone wire an inductor? How can it store power? No power stored equals zero flyback and zero negative current to the Hex nuts when the current's interrupted.

It's important to understand that a spark jumps between the battery electrode and the wire end before it's connected, and that it's this input spark that carries the magnetizing power.

No,it's the current flowing through the loop,that creates the magnetic field.
The loop being-your wire and battery.
This is the !so called! PMH effect,where the current flowing through the wire ,produces a magnetic field that radiates out to your circle of nut's,and holds them together-until one of the nuts is removed--the magnetic path is broken.


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Re: The bifilar pancake coil at its resonant frequency
« Reply #523 on: April 09, 2017, 06:08:15 PM »
I think that many believe that because the voltage inverts across the coil,when the source current through the coil is interrupted,that the flow of current must also invert-change direction through the coil.

Yes,the voltage across the coil inverts,when the source current flowing through the coil is interrupted,but the current through the coil keeps flowing in the same direction-only now,the source is the collapsing magnetic field around the coil.


Brad

@Tinman,

Which way does current flow in a Ruhmkopff Secondary Coil when the current's interrupted in the primary and can you define "Negative Current"?

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Re: The bifilar pancake coil at its resonant frequency
« Reply #524 on: April 09, 2017, 06:15:49 PM »
Synchro
the moderators here are volunteers with families to feed and full time jobs

your off topic [might be related maybe not]
post has been added here
http://overunity.com/17217/investigating-the-claims-of-member-synchro-1/msg503676/#new

where hopefully answers can follow with out making more of a mess here in evostars thread

which is also moderated thread by volunteers...if the TinMan's not halfway across the outback,
he's getting ready to go [snoozin ATM in OZ

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