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Author Topic: The bifilar pancake coil at its resonant frequency  (Read 360919 times)

Offline TinselKoala

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Re: The bifilar pancake coil at its resonant frequency
« Reply #495 on: April 08, 2017, 07:07:48 PM »
There are four types of bifilar winding, therefore I don't care which type you actually use - for short coils it actually doesn't matter.
The (pretense of) laughing is everything, what the dull pathoskeptics are usually capable of, once they lack rational arguments.

Wrong again. It actually DOES matter, even for short coils.

You can talk about "rational arguments" all you like. If your premises are false then your conclusions are invalid, even if the form of the argument is correct. And you have stated many false premises here.

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Offline Zephir

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Re: The bifilar pancake coil at its resonant frequency
« Reply #496 on: April 08, 2017, 07:09:42 PM »
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The Tesla bifilar coil behaves in the same way as a straight winding coil in my "Coil Current Direction" demonstrations.

Of course it doesn't - the impedance of coil always depends on its geometry, even for short coil - by your very own argument... :-)

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Re: The bifilar pancake coil at its resonant frequency
« Reply #497 on: April 08, 2017, 07:13:30 PM »
Now, enough of twaddling and try to think about this:

The magnets in general attract ferromagnetic material - like the piece of ferrite - without respect orientation of their poles, right? What will happen, if we place another magnet behind this ferrite?

If the 2nd magnet will be equally oriented to polarity of the 1st magnet, then its placement behind the ferrite will just increase the attractive force between them - OK?

But what will happen, if the 2nd magnet will get oriented against 1st magnet in mirror-like way? After then we can achieve the situation/geometry, during which the attractive force of 1st magnet to ferrite will get  exactly balanced with the repulsive force of the 2nd magnet. In another words, the ferrites would move freely along magnets without any cogging, because the magnetic forces of both magnets will compensate mutually. And the magnets would also move along each other without any macroscopic forces.

The final question is, what we could expect, if we would surround the ferrite with coil and if we attempt to collect current induced during mutual motion of magnets and/or ferrite between them.

Intuitively we could expect, that no electromotoric force will be induced within such a coil, because the effects of magnetic field of both counteracting magnets will compensate mutually. The polarity of magnetic field doesn't actually change within ferrite - the magnetic fields of both counteracting magnets will only change its saturation.

But how the situation will change, once we use bifilar coil at the place of collecting coil wound around ferrite? The bifilar coil is sensitive just to changes of magnetization - not the direction of magnetic field - because its wires collect magnetic field in alternating direction. Therefore it can induce the voltage and this voltage will not be affected with back-electromotive force, because the ferrites are already moving freely between magnets. In another words, any electricity induced into bifilar coil in this arrangement will be generated for free.

Of course the moving magnets can be replaced with electromagnets (a pair of bucking coils) with variable magnetic field and to achieve a solid state generator ("MEG") in this way. Its problem is, the variable magnetization of electromagnet cores will be the source of additional hysteresis loses, which may decrease the energy yield. If we use air cored coils, we would need to increase the working frequency of device significantly for to maintain energy density in acceptable range,  so that we'll get the Kapagen circuit.

The part I have highlighted is simply not true.  I have been working with the idea of trying to cancel the cogging effect for about 3 years now.  You are confusing the cogging effect with the generation of bemf.  They have nothing to do with each other.  I have built several different configurations of machines that had no cogging effect but they all still generated bemf.  If you have a design that shows something different then please present it.  I will respectfully then admit I am wrong, but only after you can show that I am wrong.

Respectfully,
Carroll

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Re: The bifilar pancake coil at its resonant frequency
« Reply #497 on: April 08, 2017, 07:13:30 PM »
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Offline TinselKoala

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Re: The bifilar pancake coil at its resonant frequency
« Reply #498 on: April 08, 2017, 07:13:46 PM »
@Tinselkola,

Where are you Bub? In bed with a hangover?

"The current on charge and discharge would be _infinite_, taking no time, which is what a vertical line means. Infinite slope! A change in charge over +no change in time+" Impossible you say?

You boldly accused me of misunderstanding, misrepresenting and prevaricating: How dare you be so insolent to me you cheap carnival huckster!

Tesla wrote at great length about the infinity of the spark, and spoke of it at conferences with contemporaries like Max Plank and Albert Einstien.

This is the crux of the infinite power of the impulse magnetisem, and not understood by either you or Milehigh!

I supply proof of it in this video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YeJ5wHBpaf4

That is not proof of your contentions, it is merely a poorly performed demonstration where you do
not properly control your variables.


Let's review.
Here are some recent posts from Syncro.


(snip)
You're a compulsive psychopath and need help.


You're stinking drunk and a slob!

Barf, blubber puss sucking shyster schwienehunt!


Booze hound!

Can't you make up your mind?

In some countries these unfounded insults that you have thrown at me would be grounds for a lawsuit. In some other places, they would get you much worse than that.

Here, all they may get you is derision and BIPS (banning in plain sight, thanks MarkE, we miss you.) But you really should read the TOS again.

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Re: The bifilar pancake coil at its resonant frequency
« Reply #499 on: April 08, 2017, 07:16:56 PM »
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You are confusing the cogging effect with the generation of bemf.

Nope, I don't use these two concepts interchangeably and you're fighting with ghosts. The mirror-like arrangement of magnets eliminates the cogging (variable reluctance effect), the mirror-like arrangement of wires within bifilar coil eliminates the BEMF.

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Re: The bifilar pancake coil at its resonant frequency
« Reply #499 on: April 08, 2017, 07:16:56 PM »
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Offline TinselKoala

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Re: The bifilar pancake coil at its resonant frequency
« Reply #500 on: April 08, 2017, 07:18:14 PM »
Of course it doesn't - the impedance of coil always depends on its geometry, even for short coil - by your very own argument... :-)

Of course it does behave in the same way in the coil current test with respect to current direction when the power is interrupted .... I have tested it! Where are YOUR DEMONSTRATIONS, credible outside references, and/or experiments of your own that refute my findings and demonstrations?

Nowhere. All you have is words and faulty contentions that you cannot back up with your own work.

Once again I challenge you to explain the LED flashes in my Coil Current demonstrations, especially the second one. You have dodged this challenge several times... since the flashes clearly falsify your claim that the current reverses.

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Re: The bifilar pancake coil at its resonant frequency
« Reply #501 on: April 08, 2017, 07:19:38 PM »
Nope, I don't use these two concepts interchangeably and you're fighting with ghosts. The mirror-like arrangement of magnets eliminates the cogging, the mirror-like arrangement of wires within bifilar coil eliminates the BEMF.

There you go again. You have once again used the HAIRPIN bifilar characteristics when someone else (and this thread!) is talking about the TESLA SERIES_CONNECTED BIFILAR WINDING as described in his patent.


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Re: The bifilar pancake coil at its resonant frequency
« Reply #501 on: April 08, 2017, 07:19:38 PM »
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Re: The bifilar pancake coil at its resonant frequency
« Reply #502 on: April 08, 2017, 07:22:42 PM »
And neither do other coils.

The Tesla bifilar coil behaves in the same way as a straight winding coil in my "Coil Current Direction" demonstrations.

Both you and Zephir have been unable to explain why, if coil current reverses direction, the Blue LED flashes but the Green LED does not.


@Tinselkoala,


Apparently you're awakened from your alcoholic stupor. What about the non-infinite spark, and the imaginary "Negative Current"?

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Re: The bifilar pancake coil at its resonant frequency
« Reply #503 on: April 08, 2017, 07:25:24 PM »
It should be obvious that this man Zephir is an empty suit / talking head with no true contributions .

he lives By "don't confuse me with the facts My mind is made up "

your wasting oxygen and energy with this man, I asked him several times about SAV [or whatever]

the sound of Crickets ??

he was asked maybe fiffty times now about his tests with coils ?

he dances and performs... points over here <<<<<< points over there >>>>>>>>
Nothing !!

an empty suit ...

HEY ALLEN ??
you missing Aarons place that much already ??

follow terms of service or your view will change

and you can take that to the bank !!

and Zephir below
I'm not the talking head disputing a claim with no test data of your own

show where the test presented is wrong ?

you can't because it is not
now you add meaningless flavors to your nonsense

its not our first summer here we've seen you before ...all talk [ just noise

no action at all
and what about SAV ??

your act truly has gotten old and very predictable.

post an experiment to support your claims or leave this thread to evostar and his work








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Re: The bifilar pancake coil at its resonant frequency
« Reply #503 on: April 08, 2017, 07:25:24 PM »
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Re: The bifilar pancake coil at its resonant frequency
« Reply #504 on: April 08, 2017, 07:25:49 PM »
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You have once again used the HAIRPIN bifilar characteristics when someone else (and this thread!) is talking about the TESLA SERIES_CONNECTED BIFILAR WINDING as described in his patent.

I know what I drew in context of my picture - and why I should care what someone else said here in different context? The thread title isn't about some particular bifilar coil configuration. We have four ones.

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It should be obvious that this man Zephir is an empty suit / talking head with no true contributions.

Lets the readers decide it, they have their own opinion ...BTW which exactly did you contribute here with? You're only doubting here, and doubting, and doubting... in 5797 posts already.. Yawn, it gets boring..

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Re: The bifilar pancake coil at its resonant frequency
« Reply #505 on: April 08, 2017, 07:31:47 PM »

@Tinselkoala,


Apparently you're awakened from your alcoholic stupor. What about the non-infinite spark, and the imaginary "Negative Current"?

Preserved for posterity... and evidence.

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Re: The bifilar pancake coil at its resonant frequency
« Reply #505 on: April 08, 2017, 07:31:47 PM »
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Re: The bifilar pancake coil at its resonant frequency
« Reply #506 on: April 08, 2017, 07:34:51 PM »
I know what I drew in context of my picture - and why I should care what someone else said here in different context? The thread title isn't about some particular bifilar coil configuration. We have four ones.

Lets the readers decide it, they have their own opinion ...BTW which exactly did you contribute here with? You're only doubting here, and doubting, and doubting... Yawn, boring..

Spin it all you like, the fact remains that Synchro specifically said "tesla bifilar" in his question and you answered with the characteristics of the hairpin bifilar.

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Re: The bifilar pancake coil at its resonant frequency
« Reply #507 on: April 08, 2017, 07:42:56 PM »
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Synchro specifically said "tesla bifilar" in his question and you answered with the characteristics of the hairpin bifilar.

But this is an evostar's thread, isn't it? And I didn't draw my picture as a response for anyone's question here. Why I should care what @Synchro or whoever else has said somewhere in the middle of the thread? It has 500+ posts already. Get real for a moment at least.

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Re: The bifilar pancake coil at its resonant frequency
« Reply #508 on: April 08, 2017, 07:48:52 PM »
Nope, I don't use these two concepts interchangeably and you're fighting with ghosts. The mirror-like arrangement of magnets eliminates the cogging (variable reluctance effect), the mirror-like arrangement of wires within bifilar coil eliminates the BEMF.

Your answer in this post clearly contradicts your own previous post.  You clearly said that using opposing magnets eliminates cogging.  Then you said passing a bifilar coil through the magnets because it has no drag will have no BEMF.  And then as TK has pointed out you didn't even show a bifilar coil but the hairpin coil.  If you want to discuss electronics with real electronic techs you need to get your act together or go away.  Then come back with something more than a bunch of confused ideas.  Maybe even a real video showing you can actually do something besides post nonsense.

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Re: The bifilar pancake coil at its resonant frequency
« Reply #509 on: April 08, 2017, 07:54:57 PM »
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TK has pointed out you didn't even show a bifilar coil but the hairpin coil.

Huh? All these coils are bifilar - believe it or not... Hairpin coil is just a special type of bifilar coil - according to TinselKoala himself.

My ideas aren't confused at all. What you can see bellow is actually a scalar wave dynamo or transformer. It generates electromotoric force not with changing of magnetic field orientation (B-field), but with magnetic field intensity, i.e. with A-field, which propagate with scalar longitudinal waves along it. That means, the ferromagnetic domain  within ferrite don't rotate/reorient itself - they pulsate instead like the bubbles inside the cavitation heater or Rosch' KPP buoyancy system. The important thing here is, such a system isn't fully time-arrow symmetric, because the speed of EM field propagation changes inside it in every half of its cycle. The saturation of ferrite changes its magnetic permeability and as such the speed of EM wave propagation in it.

The time arrow asymmetry (variable speed of energy propagation) is necessary condition for overunity in both electric, both mechanical systems. Once we introduce an energy inside the system with different speed, than this one when we draw it back again during each cycle, then we can achieve an energy disbalance. The difference in energy flux in form of transverse waves isn't indeed miraculously created, but it's replenished from omnipresent scalar (longitudinal) wave flux, i.e. from thermal fluctuations of material. What we are essentially doing is the pumping of oriented EM wave energy from chaotic thermal motion of ferromagnetic domains, which behave like myriads of tiny Maxwell daemons there.

 

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