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Author Topic: The bifilar pancake coil at its resonant frequency  (Read 372481 times)

Offline MileHigh

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Re: The bifilar pancake coil at its resonant frequency
« Reply #315 on: April 01, 2017, 06:19:44 PM »
That was a good big rant.  We were discussing a bifilar pancake coil.  Anything relevant to say about that?  I guess whose version of an "open mind" is something for people to consider.  It takes insight and an open mind a willingness to learn to get somewhere.  I mean to actually get somewhere.

I am not impressed by another one of your pitches which is, "You can't understand my own private insights and tough luck for you."  If you are going to play the perpetual tease, what's the point?  If you would try to explain yourself better and with more clarity perhaps people could understand where you are coming from.  People could perhaps learn from you if there is substance, or perhaps not if there is no substance.  I know, you don't care and you are in another realm and we just wouldn't understand anyway.

As an example of getting somewhere, I posted a large-signal inductance meter circuit, see it below.  Can you describe how you use it?  If you can, great.  If not, it's wet paper bag territory for you.  Don't forget, we are trying to understand some basic electronics sometimes on this forum.  So what's a bifilar pancake coil?  Is it some vortex superluminal spiraling thingamajig?  Or when all is said and done is it really and truly a coil with standard associated parameters?  I think that is a pretty interesting question.

And here is your straw man:

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Starting to get the point though.....the only opinion which matters is...... (not) yours.....

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Re: The bifilar pancake coil at its resonant frequency
« Reply #316 on: April 01, 2017, 06:56:25 PM »
Yawn.....  I am not intersted in discussing your perspective.

LOL  Following your programming!

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Re: The bifilar pancake coil at its resonant frequency
« Reply #317 on: April 01, 2017, 07:03:13 PM »
I skimmed through the following clips and they all look pretty good.

Measuring coil inductance and IF transformer resonant frequency

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ff5xOENID7w

How to measure inductance with Oscilloscope and Signal Generator

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=01Ebd6eR7Lw

Measure Capacitors and Inductors with an Oscilloscope and some basic parts

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=74fz9iwZ_sM

Measuring Inductance with A Pulse and Oscilloscope

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RhS8m38ef0Y

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Re: The bifilar pancake coil at its resonant frequency
« Reply #317 on: April 01, 2017, 07:03:13 PM »
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Re: The bifilar pancake coil at its resonant frequency
« Reply #318 on: April 01, 2017, 09:24:53 PM »
The original question was, which current direction generates the collapsing magnetic field of coil. This direction is the opposite to the current, which created this magnetic field.

 (emphasis mine)

Are you sure you don't mean "the collapsing magnetic field generates which current direction"? Regardless of your scrambled verbiage (I realize English isn't your first language) .... now you may please explain why and how the LED flashes in my video demonstration.

The rest of your post is not worthy of a response.

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The question is, who is actual comedian here. The arguing, that something is impossible, because you did try it without success is called an anectodal fallacy. Such a dumbness cannot be beaten by any other fallacy. There is plenty of evidence for electricity - but the proof that electrons exist is not so trivial. This is just a matter of consistency of thinking. I'm pretty sure, nobody of you did ever observe the electron in the same way like the overunity.

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Re: The bifilar pancake coil at its resonant frequency
« Reply #319 on: April 01, 2017, 09:28:37 PM »
My turn to jump on the gang pile! Three words: Scrap Yard Magnet!

You are presumably repeating the claim you have made before, that scrapyard magnets are wound in the Tesla Bifilar method, and that this is done to increase the field strength for a given current. I have been unable to find any reference on the Internet to confirm this contention. So please post some links so this can be checked.

However I did find this discussion on this forum from some time ago. It looks like your claim, at least in this case,  is false.

http://www.overunity.com/13460/teslas-coil-for-electro-magnets/260/wap/

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Re: The bifilar pancake coil at its resonant frequency
« Reply #319 on: April 01, 2017, 09:28:37 PM »
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Re: The bifilar pancake coil at its resonant frequency
« Reply #320 on: April 01, 2017, 11:04:33 PM »
If the spiraling magnetic vortexes above and below the bifilar pancake coil, line up with the spiraling dielectric field in between the windings,  the fields become one.
The magnetic field energy is added to the dielectric field energy, explaining why there is such a big rise at the (primary) resonant frequency. The voltage rise could be due to the merging of the fields.

This newly created uniform field, has interesting properties. Much of those are not yet explored. Why? Because it is so different than what we a are used to. We are used to the power of induction, the power of magnetic fields.
But this field is simply different.

It can make you sick, drain the life out of you,
It can make you energized, so much that you cant sleep
Or make you run to the toilet like Mark Twain did after he ignored Tesla's advice because it made him feel so good.

At higher voltages, it can do more. so much to explore (and it has been explored,  its being used)

Its natures natural form of electricity. our body's function with it, and the earth is full of it.

The bifilar pancake coil, is like a special kind of transformer, producing this energy.

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Re: The bifilar pancake coil at its resonant frequency
« Reply #321 on: April 01, 2017, 11:17:19 PM »
Yeah but what happens when you introduce 3 fields, and then 4, and then 5?
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Re: The bifilar pancake coil at its resonant frequency
« Reply #321 on: April 01, 2017, 11:17:19 PM »
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Re: The bifilar pancake coil at its resonant frequency
« Reply #322 on: April 01, 2017, 11:48:43 PM »
evostars
when you say " Ken Wheeler and Spinning vortex's" are you saying he has shown this "spinning vortex" ?
I remember over here a few years ago he posted an experiment or Claim with bismuth and a magnet

The claim was a rise in temperature due to the spinning vortex thru the Bismuth.

Many here did caloric testing with this claim and failed to realize the same result, his claim was originally based on a thermal imaging camera reading which at the time was questionable do to reflection artifacts ?

Has he since shown this in a lab test ? or some other way to qualify this actual Motion ??

If there is indeed motion It should be viewable thru input enhancement and some metal dust or foil ?
Or/
and as Ken says if the field is spinning it should react and produce power or heat [his bismuth example]

would be good to See this motion,  which would indeed mean a potential interaction at higher power levels ??

and for clarity I did speak several times with Ken and explained we were not seeing this in the lab [heat]

has he done testing since to prove this "spinning Vortex" motion ?
and for additional clarity we could do this test again here with supporting You tube Vids, so as to have the proper test protocols and rule out error ?

respectfully

Chet K

« Last Edit: April 02, 2017, 02:50:56 AM by ramset »

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Re: The bifilar pancake coil at its resonant frequency
« Reply #323 on: April 02, 2017, 02:41:54 AM »
evostars
when you say Ken Wheeler and vortex's are you saying he has shown this "spinning" vortex ?
I remember over here a few years ago he posted an experiment or Claim with bismuth and a magnet
the claim was a rise in temperature due to the spinning vortex thru the Bismuth.

many here did caloric testing with this claim and failed to realize the same result, his claim was originally based on a thermal imaging camera reading which at the time was questionable do to reflection artifacts ?

has he since shown this in a lab test ? or some other way to qualify this actual Motion ??

it should be achievable thru input enhancement and some metal dust or foil ?
Or?

would be good to See this motion,  which would indeed mean a potential interaction at higher power levels ??

and for clarity I did speak several times with Ken and explained we were not seeing this in the lab [heat]

has he done testing since to prove this "spinning Vortex" motion ?
and for additional clarity we could do this test again here with supporting You tube Vids, so as to have the proper test protocols and rule out error ?

respectfully

Chet K


so far as i know,  he has not.

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Re: The bifilar pancake coil at its resonant frequency
« Reply #323 on: April 02, 2017, 02:41:54 AM »
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Re: The bifilar pancake coil at its resonant frequency
« Reply #324 on: April 02, 2017, 01:40:24 PM »
If you're attempting for overunity, you should understand what you're actually trying to do. The overunity breaks all laws of physics, which are based on energy conservation law, which are all laws in essence (because all laws rely on energy transfer in this way or another on background) and as such it breaks the causality and thermodynamical time arrow. It's negentropic, superluminal, antigravity, extradimensional out-of-world phenomena based on monopole scalar wave physics - i.e. just the things, which shouldn't exist according to mainstream physics because of limiting speed of EM waves, which cannot be exceeded. Which is why mainstream physics avoids the overunity research like devil the cross, because it denies whole its religion, which it has been based on during last centuries. What is important here, this principle applies to speed of EM waves within all environments, not just vacuum - no matter how slow these waves can be with these materials. It's very universal principle because of universal character of EM wave propagation.

Fortunately just this aspect of overunity enables us to pursue it, because the speed of EM waves within magnetically or electrically conductive materials is greatly lowered bellow the speed of light in vacuum and it can be modulated there in wide extent in addition. For example magnet or surface of conductor mediates EM waves much slower than the vacuum and if we introduce external magnetic or electric field, then it can be saturated and its ability to slow down EM wave will be temporarily disabled. From this moment the existing EM waves would propagate faster than they should and their excessive energy will be released into account of thermal energy of material. We can therefore say, that the overunity is paradoxically just the consequence of conservation of energy and limited speed of EM waves within systems, which temporarily and locally enabled to exceed and break it.

It's also important to realize, that this principle doesn't enable us to break the first law of thermodynamics and to generate heat from nothing. If we are utilizing variable speed of light within materials instead of vacuum, then the overunity actually comes from heat fluctuations of material instead of vacuum - so that only second law of thermodynamics can get broken. Which isn't fundamental obstacle for perpetuum mobile of the 2n kind, because such an overunity machine can be placed at yard and leaved to cool the rest of universe. But if we would use it for example for heating of our kitchen (i.e. thermally insulated room), then it would cool it with exactly the energy, which we will drain from it for this purpose. And because the processes of EM wave modulation are energy dissipative in general, we aren't still warrantied, that this approach will actually generate some free energy. The alternative polarization/depolarization of material is energy costly process and it will also consume some energy. So that the construction of overunity devices isn't trivial task even if you exactly know, what you're doing, because you must eliminate loses of energy with classical, i.e. energy dissipative processes.

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Re: The bifilar pancake coil at its resonant frequency
« Reply #325 on: April 02, 2017, 02:03:51 PM »
Lighting led and neon with one hand ;)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aEZSCNHDYJs

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Re: The bifilar pancake coil at its resonant frequency
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Re: The bifilar pancake coil at its resonant frequency
« Reply #326 on: April 02, 2017, 03:04:16 PM »
That is for starters :


Like someone say :     “For starters, there is no such thing as single-wire energy transmission.”
Maybe we could try without wires ….. ;)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gGdKqdpztuY



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Re: The bifilar pancake coil at its resonant frequency
« Reply #327 on: April 02, 2017, 03:32:12 PM »
My apologies, it was not an LED I lit with one hand ... :(
Maybe this example best illustrates how I love playing with LEDs. :)


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FasAn7aJa6o

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Re: The bifilar pancake coil at its resonant frequency
« Reply #328 on: April 02, 2017, 03:42:16 PM »
That is for starters :

Like someone say :     “For starters, there is no such thing as single-wire energy transmission.”
Maybe we could try without wires ….. ;)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gGdKqdpztuY

Nelson Rocha

Sure I would be happy to explain this to you again.  Typically high-frequency voltage travels down the single wire.  However, with no current flow you cannot transfer any AC power into the load.  So the question is how do you get current to flow when there is no apparent current loop in the circuit?  As we know, for current to flow, there must be a loop.

We also know that there exists so-called "stray" (a.k.a. parasitic) capacitance everywhere.  A capacitor is just two conducting plates separated by a distance.  Let's look at a trivial example.  Suppose you are outside in your back yard.  Let's say there is an insulating plastic lawn chair that you are sitting in and your feet are not touching the ground.  We know that the ground is conductive and there is always some moisture in the ground that helps it become more conductive.  We also know the human body is basically salty water, and so the human body is conductive.

Therefore, when you sit on an insulating plastic chair in your back yard with your feet not touching the ground we can say that there is a measurable capacitance between your body and the ground.  It may be very small, perhaps 100 pF, but it is there and it is measurable.  In reality, there is stray or parasitic capacitance everywhere.

It is this stray capacitance that allows AC current to conduct in a current loop that allows for so-called "single wire power transmission."

Here is a typical circuit current loop:

<earth ground> ---> <stray capacitor #1> ---> <high frequency AC signal generator> ---> <load> ---> <stray capacitor #2> ---> <back to earth ground>

When you do a "single wire power transmission" experiment there are typically two "invisible" stray capacitors that allow AC current to flow.  Therefore the load sees both voltage and current and therefore AC power gets transferred into the load.  Small neon lights and LEDs require very little power to light up and that's why you often see them lit in experiments like this.

This is a fairly straightforward concept that should be understood by people interested in experimenting with electronics.

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Re: The bifilar pancake coil at its resonant frequency
« Reply #329 on: April 02, 2017, 04:28:49 PM »
Sir..

Your explanation is plausible but if this is correct then we have high frequency always coming to us in the form of Sun light and cosmic rays. It should be possible for us to synchronize and then collect the power anywhere in the world at any time of the day or night. Why are we not able to do that? Would you please advise.

I do not dispute that your explanation is plausible but I do not get it as to why we cannot have devices in the way you describe. I myself have built and tested wireless Electricity transmission but these are small experiments and have been done before.

Please advise your insight as to how your theory can be used to make electricity everywhere at any time.

Regards

Ramaswami


Sure I would be happy to explain this to you again.  Typically high-frequency voltage travels down the single wire.  However, with no current flow you cannot transfer any AC power into the load.  So the question is how do you get current to flow when there is no apparent current loop in the circuit?  As we know, for current to flow, there must be a loop.

We also know that there exists so-called "stray" (a.k.a. parasitic) capacitance everywhere.  A capacitor is just two conducting plates separated by a distance.  Let's look at a trivial example.  Suppose you are outside in your back yard.  Let's say there is an insulating plastic lawn chair that you are sitting in and your feet are not touching the ground.  We know that the ground is conductive and there is always some moisture in the ground that helps it become more conductive.  We also know the human body is basically salty water, and so the human body is conductive.

Therefore, when you sit on an insulating plastic chair in your back yard with your feet not touching the ground we can say that there is a measurable capacitance between your body and the ground.  It may be very small, perhaps 100 pF, but it is there and it is measurable.  In reality, there is stray or parasitic capacitance everywhere.

It is this stray capacitance that allows AC current to conduct in a current loop that allows for so-called "single wire power transmission."

Here is a typical circuit current loop:

<earth ground> ---> <stray capacitor #1> ---> <high frequency AC signal generator> ---> <load> ---> <stray capacitor #2> ---> <back to earth ground>

When you do a "single wire power transmission" experiment there are typically two "invisible" stray capacitors that allow AC current to flow.  Therefore the load sees both voltage and current and therefore AC power gets transferred into the load.  Small neon lights and LEDs require very little power to light up and that's why you often see them lit in experiments like this.

This is a fairly straightforward concept that should be understood by people interested in experimenting with electronics.

 

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