Language: 
To browser these website, it's necessary to store cookies on your computer.
The cookies contain no personal information, they are required for program control.
  the storage of cookies while browsing this website, on Login and Register.

GDPR and DSGVO law

Storing Cookies (See : http://ec.europa.eu/ipg/basics/legal/cookies/index_en.htm ) help us to bring you our services at overunity.com . If you use this website and our services you declare yourself okay with using cookies .More Infos here:
https://overunity.com/5553/privacy-policy/
If you do not agree with storing cookies, please LEAVE this website now. From the 25th of May 2018, every existing user has to accept the GDPR agreement at first login. If a user is unwilling to accept the GDPR, he should email us and request to erase his account. Many thanks for your understanding.
Amazon Warehouse Deals ! Now even more Deep Discounts ! Check out these great prices on slightly used or just opened once only items.I always buy my gadgets via these great Warehouse deals ! Highly recommended ! Many thanks for supporting OverUnity.com this way.

User Menu

Tesla Paper

Free Energy Book

Get paid

Donations

Please Donate for the Forum.
Many thanks.
Regards, Stefan.(Admin)

A-Ads

Powerbox

Smartbox

3D Solar

3D Solar Panels

DC2DC converter

Micro JouleThief

FireMatch

FireMatch

CCKnife

CCKnife

CCTool

CCTool

Magpi Magazine

Magpi Magazine Free Rasberry Pi Magazine

Battery Recondition

Battery Recondition

Arduino

Ultracaps

YT Subscribe

Gravity Machines

Tesla-Ebook

Magnet Secrets

Lindemann Video

Navigation

Products

Products

WaterMotor kit

Statistics

  • *Total Members: 84218
  • *Latest: RhineX

  • *Total Posts: 897391
  • *Total Topics: 15816
  • *Online Today: 44
  • *Most Online: 103
(December 19, 2006, 11:27:19 PM)
  • *Users: 2
  • *Guests: 29
  • *Total: 31

Author Topic: The bifilar pancake coil at its resonant frequency  (Read 378571 times)

Offline Jeg

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 1539
Re: The bifilar pancake coil at its resonant frequency
« Reply #285 on: March 31, 2017, 08:52:26 PM »
  There is no elusive pot of gold.  It's just a coil.

No it's not. It has the right geometry for displacement currents to be developed. I wonder how you missed that.

Free Energy | searching for free energy and discussing free energy


Offline MileHigh

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 7600
Re: The bifilar pancake coil at its resonant frequency
« Reply #286 on: March 31, 2017, 09:16:35 PM »
No it's not. It has the right geometry for displacement currents to be developed. I wonder how you missed that.

The problem with your statement is you are not saying what is so special about displacement currents.  What advantage or application does this geometry give you that supports displacement currents between the wires of the coil that might store a few microjoules of energy?

As TK said, you can put a capacitor in series or in parallel with a coil and then you can have your displacement currents very easily.

Offline MileHigh

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 7600
Re: The bifilar pancake coil at its resonant frequency
« Reply #287 on: March 31, 2017, 09:18:13 PM »

Not a fan of file 13 eh....

no prob..... 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vcmiWxCu8So

Wow you are so smooth but I notice that you are completely mute on the technical aspects.

Free Energy | searching for free energy and discussing free energy

Re: The bifilar pancake coil at its resonant frequency
« Reply #287 on: March 31, 2017, 09:18:13 PM »
Sponsored links:




Offline Zephir

  • Sr. Member
  • ****
  • Posts: 381
    • Reddit about Aether Wave Theory
Re: The bifilar pancake coil at its resonant frequency
« Reply #288 on: March 31, 2017, 09:18:22 PM »
Quote
I don't believe for one instant that fellows posting here ALL fellows ...don't believe in the potential of new sources of energy harvesting
This is an appeal to ridicule, I didn't say it. The patoskeptics are just leading this forum in number of posts per person.

Quote
there are far more negative and null results from the EMdrive experimentation than there are positive results

Prove it - most of results in this lists are positive, instead. BTW The yield of complex microprocessors is bellow 50% - should this serve an evidence, that these processors don't exist, according to you?

Quote
after hundreds of pages of thread and after suckering dozens of people into "replicating" his machines, he has gone on to other things and nobody
Because of disruptive agenda of trolls like TinselKoala or MileHigh. The guys who were sucessfull with overunity don't visit this forum because of them.

Offline MileHigh

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 7600
Re: The bifilar pancake coil at its resonant frequency
« Reply #289 on: March 31, 2017, 09:28:38 PM »
This is an appeal to ridicule, I didn't say it. The patoskeptics are just leading this forum in number of posts per person.

On this thread we are not debating free energy.  We are just discussing a pancake coil.  Can't you discuss within that framework?  I suggested a procedure to Evostars for doing a frequency sweep of his coil.  That's an example of something on topic.

And stop calling people trolls.  I am contributing to this thread and I am on topic.

Feel free to start your own thread where you seem to be claiming that you can demonstrate over unity with a pancake coil.

Free Energy | searching for free energy and discussing free energy

Re: The bifilar pancake coil at its resonant frequency
« Reply #289 on: March 31, 2017, 09:28:38 PM »
Sponsored links:




Offline Jeg

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 1539
Re: The bifilar pancake coil at its resonant frequency
« Reply #290 on: March 31, 2017, 10:06:50 PM »
The problem with your statement is you are not saying what is so special about displacement currents.  What advantage or application does this geometry give you that supports displacement currents between the wires of the coil that might store a few microjoules of energy?


Their specialty is described very well by the inventor. They make a so intense electric field between adjacent turns that solenoids cannot reach. Pancake geometry helps in that displacement current moves perpendicular to the flux movement, like what happens between two normal plates of metal forming a cap. Many applications depending on what you want to do. An interesting application would be to use it for a controlled spark gap. Like here back in 2014
http://overunity.com/14198/a-method-for-static-gap-control-for-high-bps-rates/msg382802/#msg382802

(I have abandoned this toy as it was using MOT's and was very dangerous to control it and play with safety. Don't recommend. Video is very blurry and sound lags some seconds )   
 

Offline TinselKoala

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 13968
Re: The bifilar pancake coil at its resonant frequency
« Reply #291 on: March 31, 2017, 10:07:39 PM »
This is an appeal to ridicule, I didn't say it. The patoskeptics are just leading this forum in number of posts per person.

You have no idea what you are talking about. I have a lot of posts for several reasons. Number one is that I have been a member of this forum for many years. Number two is that I engaged the notorious Rosemary Ainslie over several threads that went on for years until she was very definitively proved to be wrong and indeed to have falsified data in a long series of streamed video experimentation by her own team and led by Poynt99 and the late MarkE. Number three is because I've helped many people, just as Cifta has done, to get their various projects working, notably Joule Thiefs and Bedini motors, and along with MileHigh we developed and discussed the "better than Bedini" MHOP. What have you done? Nothing, that's what, mister Newbie. I'm proud of my post count. Yes, I point out errors when I see them, and your posts are full of errors, which you won't acknowledge even when you are soundly proven wrong. As we have demonstrated over the last couple of days.

Quote
Prove it - most of results in this lists are positive, instead. BTW The yield of complex microprocessors is bellow 50% - should this serve an evidence, that these processors don't exist, according to you?


Do you know what a "straw man argument" is? Look it up. It is a wellknown logical fallacy used by people who have no rational argument. Your mention of the yield of microprocessors is a STRAW MAN and is irrelevant to the FACT that your wiki list simply does not include many failed EMdrive experiments. Did YOU write that wiki article?

Quote
Because of disruptive agenda of trolls like TinselKoala or MileHigh. The guys who were sucessfull with overunity don't visit this forum because of them.

Here you are referring to the comment about UFOPolitics and his "Asymmetric Electrodynamic Machine". Again, your claim here is not true at all. Go and read that enormous thread at EF. Here's a link to his claim of OVERUNITY GALORE:
http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/11885-my-asymmetric-electrodynamic-machines-95.html#post218245
Note the date. Note that there are in fact _very few_ disbelievers posting, and neither I nor MH have ever posted there. Much later the believers start to discover that there is no "overunity galore" and in fact no overunity at all, but just a bunch of failed NTE mosfets, badly produced motor parts and burned out components. Along with a bunch of nicely done graphics of motors that in the end do not produce a single extra Joule of energy and are in fact quite INEFFICIENT.

And there are no "guys who were successful with overunity" posting here or there. There are many claimants, and there are some tantalizing preliminary results from genuine and honest researchers like Partzman, but they are all still buying their electricity from the grid, just like you, and no one has credibly demonstrated any self runner or daisychained device. If you think they have... what are YOU doing here then?

You have earned yourself another ROFL.

Free Energy | searching for free energy and discussing free energy

Re: The bifilar pancake coil at its resonant frequency
« Reply #291 on: March 31, 2017, 10:07:39 PM »
Sponsored links:




Offline MileHigh

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 7600
Re: The bifilar pancake coil at its resonant frequency
« Reply #292 on: March 31, 2017, 10:14:06 PM »

Speaking your language empowers you....  Me no speak " (your brand of) technical aspects...." STARVE!

Right, and here is the ambrosia that has been eluding you all this time as well as for 95% of the amateur experimenters that play with coils for years:

A coil integrates on voltage with respect to time to yield a current flow through the coil.  The amount of current flow is also inversely proportional to the inductance of the coil.  A coil differentiates on the current flowing through the coil with respect to time to yield an opposing voltage to the change in current flow.  The amount of voltage is also proportional to the inductance of the coil.

There is your food, yet you no speak that.  Without undertaking to try to understand those four sentences you continue to starve.

Offline MileHigh

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 7600
Re: The bifilar pancake coil at its resonant frequency
« Reply #293 on: March 31, 2017, 10:51:05 PM »
Their specialty is described very well by the inventor. They make a so intense electric field between adjacent turns that solenoids cannot reach. Pancake geometry helps in that displacement current moves perpendicular to the flux movement, like what happens between two normal plates of metal forming a cap. Many applications depending on what you want to do. An interesting application would be to use it for a controlled spark gap. Like here back in 2014
http://overunity.com/14198/a-method-for-static-gap-control-for-high-bps-rates/msg382802/#msg382802

(I have abandoned this toy as it was using MOT's and was very dangerous to control it and play with safety. Don't recommend. Video is very blurry and sound lags some seconds )

As TK said in the modern era we use capacitors.  Think about this:  You are fascinated by the fact that a bifilar pancake coil can store energy between the adjacent turns of the coil.  Say that there is 50 volts between turns and there are 10 turns.  Well, you can put a 500-volt capacitor across an entire conventional solenoid coil and get the same results.

To put it another way, you can replace a bifilar pancake coil with a regular solenoid coil in parallel or in series with a very small high-voltage capacitor.

Yes, there may be some spark-gap applications for bifilar pancake coils like you are discussing.  That is perfectly valid.  But those are more mechanical issues than electrical issues.   Let's play a "black box" game.  Suppose you put a bifilar pancake coil inside a black box and the only thing you see are the two terminals for the coil on the outside of the black box.  When you test those terminals you will say that you observed that there was a property of inductance telling you that there was an inductor inside the box.  You also were able to observe a self-resonant frequency for the coil indicating that it possessed some inherent capacitance.  That is all fine and good.  However, on a fundamental level, all that you really observed was that there was an imperfect real-world coil inside the black box.  The fact that it was a bifilar pancake coil made no difference to you.  In that sense there is nothing special about a bifilar pancake coil.

Free Energy | searching for free energy and discussing free energy

Re: The bifilar pancake coil at its resonant frequency
« Reply #293 on: March 31, 2017, 10:51:05 PM »
3D Solar Panels

Offline MileHigh

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 7600
Re: The bifilar pancake coil at its resonant frequency
« Reply #294 on: March 31, 2017, 11:00:23 PM »
I have absolutely no interest in your memorized perspective.  You would be as smart as the folk you plagiarize, if only you could pick up where they left off.....  No....all anyone gets from you is a fucking playback.....  I can read.....  What you claim to know, anyone can know.  What you try to drill into the heads of those you consider less than yourself, can be found in countless books, and web pages.  I don't want nor need a lesson from you, the net is a much better instructor, can't say I miss the god complex when doing a google search........

ambrosia....give me a fucking break..... more like Grape nuts..... thats right, I equate what you give to a box of (stale) dry shit.....

You are oblivious regarding what I know, but you have my permission to continue thinking you aren't....

It's not about memorizing the knowledge or reciting it like a book playback.  It's about understanding it and applying it, and that includes in real life on your bench.  Don't play strawman on me please.  Relative to what goes on around here, understanding how a mysterious coil works is ambrosia.

If you want to be the anti or alternative knowledge rebel, that's your prerogative.  But when someone is discussing their circuit often it really is a nuts and bolts kind of thing and not an exploration into semantics and intangibles

Offline Zephir

  • Sr. Member
  • ****
  • Posts: 381
    • Reddit about Aether Wave Theory
Re: The bifilar pancake coil at its resonant frequency
« Reply #295 on: March 31, 2017, 11:38:51 PM »
Quote
You are fascinated by the fact that a bifilar pancake coil can store energy between the adjacent turns of the coil.  Say that there is 50 volts between turns and there are 10 turns.  Well, you can put a 500-volt capacitor across an entire conventional solenoid coil and get the same results. To put it another way, you can replace a bifilar pancake coil with a regular solenoid coil in parallel or in series with a very small high-voltage capacitor.


The distributed impedance works very differently than the discrete one in HF circuits. It leads for example into so-called metamaterial behavior of circuits, which simply has no analogy in classical circuits - so it's a source of a new quality. The distributed capacity isn't the source of bifilar coil overunity though - in the same way, like any other capacity (or resonance) by itself. Once something can be described with classical law (which are energy conservation based), then it also doesn't lead to overunity. But the distributed impedance is undoubtedly more close to overunity, than the discrete one just because of its new emergent quality.

You cannot replicate the Akula / Kapanadze devices simply by wiring their coils according to diagram: their geometry, orientation and size are also important. But you're person willing to say, that it even doesn't matter, if some coil is bifilar or just normal one with some capacitor attached. With such way of thinking you're literally wasted for the whole overunity thing. Now we can only discuss, if this way of thinking is the product of your ignorance or just evil intentions to confuse and systematically mislead the readers of this forum.

Quote
On this thread we are not debating free energy.  We are just discussing a pancake coil.  Can't you discuss within that framework?
Nope, because this forum is about overunity. If you want to understand overunity, you should remain focused to subject instead of distracted with classical aspects of electronics. I'm just explaining you, why you never succeed with overunity experiments: you're systematically focused just to the aspects of classical circuits, which prohibits you to understand it. The sentence of yours, that "you can replace the distributed impedance with discrete one" illustrates clearly your problem with thinking.

Free Energy | searching for free energy and discussing free energy

Re: The bifilar pancake coil at its resonant frequency
« Reply #295 on: March 31, 2017, 11:38:51 PM »
3D Solar Panels

Offline ramset

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 7481
Re: The bifilar pancake coil at its resonant frequency
« Reply #296 on: April 01, 2017, 12:30:42 AM »
Zephir
If you can highlight a Pancake coil experiment which shows a true anomaly

we can probably get quality replicators lined up out the door...

Please post one ??

respectfully
Chet K


Offline MileHigh

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 7600
Re: The bifilar pancake coil at its resonant frequency
« Reply #297 on: April 01, 2017, 02:36:00 AM »
The distributed impedance works very differently than the discrete one in HF circuits. It leads for example into so-called metamaterial behavior of circuits, which simply has no analogy in classical circuits - so it's a source of a new quality.

You really are a hoot.  Just like some well known people have claimed that giant pulse motors work differently in the Southern Hemisphere as compared to the Northern Hemisphere.

I will just restate that you are welcome to start your own thread and just do it.


Offline citfta

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 910
Re: The bifilar pancake coil at its resonant frequency
« Reply #298 on: April 01, 2017, 03:38:39 AM »
OK Zephir you have made several ridiculous claims in this thread with absolutely nothing to back up those claims.  But let's try to have just a little bit of a discussion.  In your own words what does distributed impedence mean?  What do you consider a HF circuit to be?  And lastly, what the heck is metamaterial behavior?

If you can't describe what those things mean to you then you need to take a hike far far away because if you can't explain what they mean to you then you are just here being a troll and hindering those that are actually trying to learn.  Chet has asked for an example of an anomaly that you think indicates OU.  I am asking for you to give some kind of sense to the words you are using.  It is time to man up and either admit you don't have any thing but a bunch of words or back those words up.

And you have never answered the question asked by some of us about your claim there are no such thing as electrons.  If they don't exist then explain how an electron beam welder can weld.  Do you even know what an electron beam welder is without looking it up?  How can a CRT screen show pictures if there are no electrons energizing the phosphor dots?  How can those things work if electrons don't exist?  I am really looking forward to that explanation since I have worked on both of them for many years.

Offline MileHigh

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 7600
Re: The bifilar pancake coil at its resonant frequency
« Reply #299 on: April 01, 2017, 04:19:25 AM »
TK:

This is an off-topic but techie clip that I think is going to blow your mind!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d_S9YsD9Y0c

MileHigh

 

OneLink