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Author Topic: The bifilar pancake coil at its resonant frequency  (Read 175060 times)

Offline nelsonrochaa

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Re: The bifilar pancake coil at its resonant frequency
« Reply #1530 on: September 06, 2018, 02:25:58 PM »
Hi ppl ,
I share the circuit diagram used to made my tests with pancake bifilar coil like i show in the videos i made .
Hope interested people could duplicate them . Ivo like we talk , this is my contribution. 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ytg_B9Vs60
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tCYeErWACwA

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Re: The bifilar pancake coil at its resonant frequency
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Thanks Nelson!
« Reply #1531 on: September 06, 2018, 03:27:36 PM »
Thanks For your great contribution to the community Neslon!
I labeled the components for easy reference.

I will be working at this on my workbench on  the open-source-energy.org forum.

Ivo

ps: It says, "Floating ground" between C3 and the pulse signal

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Re: The bifilar pancake coil at its resonant frequency
« Reply #1532 on: September 06, 2018, 03:33:19 PM »
First thoughts:

C1 is parallel over the circuit, looks like a pure DC, stabilizer, being discharged over the L2 coil by the pulsing mosfet.

L2 looks like an bifilar coil, with a center tap. C5 is parallel over 1 winding of the bifilar coil (could make it resonant?)

This (pulsed mosfet) produces negative inductive spikes on the high side (and middle tap) of L2.

The negative inductive spikes (back EMF) are charging the capacitors C3 and C4 (and c5?)

C3 is series connected with bifilar coil L1 and C1.
The inductive spike will bring these series connected parts into resonance (?), producing an AC signal , So the Foating ground is fluctuating indeed.

the pulse signal, is created by the oscillations .

It is not clear if L1 and L2 are coupled, I guess not.

D2 and D3 pass the negative cycle of the resonant L1 coil, to L2 Timing seems essential.

C1 and C2 pass AC block DC, so the mosfet sees DC with an AC signal on it (?)

So far, my first insights, This has been pure guessing.

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Re: The bifilar pancake coil at its resonant frequency
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Offline nelsonrochaa

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Re: The bifilar pancake coil at its resonant frequency
« Reply #1533 on: September 06, 2018, 03:55:39 PM »
First thoughts:

C1 is parallel over the circuit, looks like a pure DC, stabilizer, being discharged over the L2 coil by the pulsing mosfet.

L2 looks like an bifilar coil, with a center tap. C5 is parallel over 1 winding of the bifilar coil (could make it resonant?)

This (pulsed mosfet) produces negative inductive spikes on the high side (and middle tap) of L2.

The negative inductive spikes (back EMF) are charging the capacitors C3 and C4 (and c5?)

C3 is series connected with bifilar coil L1 and C1.
The inductive spike will bring these series connected parts into resonance (?), producing an AC signal , So the Foating ground is fluctuating indeed.

the pulse signal, is created by the oscillations .

It is not clear if L1 and L2 are coupled, I guess not.

D2 and D3 pass the negative cycle of the resonant L1 coil, to L2 Timing seems essential.

C1 and C2 pass AC block DC, so the mosfet sees DC with an AC signal on it (?)

So far, my first insights, This has been pure guessing.
Hi Evo,
Sorry i forget to mention the secondary coil L3, which is a pancake coil as well, to stack in the order L1 L2 L3 .

cheers

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Re: The bifilar pancake coil at its resonant frequency
« Reply #1534 on: September 06, 2018, 04:45:35 PM »
Thanks Nelson  ;D

that makes a lot more sense.

I guess this also means the pulse diving the gate of the mosfet is generated by an pulse transformer, driven by an external pulse

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Re: The bifilar pancake coil at its resonant frequency
« Reply #1535 on: September 06, 2018, 04:50:03 PM »
Hi Evo,
Sorry i forget to mention the secondary coil L3, which is a pancake coil as well, to stack in the order L1 L2 L3 .

Does this mean,  in my additional drawing, L1 = L2 and l2 = L1  to keep the stack in the right order,
correct?

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Re: The bifilar pancake coil at its resonant frequency
« Reply #1536 on: September 06, 2018, 11:36:33 PM »
c3 c4 and c5 are probably 0.1 or 0.22uF 100v xicon greenies

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Re: The bifilar pancake coil at its resonant frequency
« Reply #1537 on: September 07, 2018, 06:19:38 AM »
Hi Nelson,Many thanks for the circuit.
And then L3 is the output coil ?Then it makes much more sense...;)

Also is there a connection at the top where the diode goes to the Mosfet ?Is the diode cathode also  connected to the 2 caps there ?
What is the circuit doing ? Just oscilating and pumping energy into the L3 output coil ?Why is it then so efficient ? Because of the floating ground ?


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Re: The bifilar pancake coil at its resonant frequency
« Reply #1538 on: September 07, 2018, 09:27:32 AM »
it's a radiant circuit. a capacitor is overcharged with negative voltage than internally discharges, creating an impulse. this is the key.
it's all tuned.

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Re: The bifilar pancake coil at its resonant frequency
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Re: The bifilar pancake coil at its resonant frequency
« Reply #1539 on: September 07, 2018, 11:35:36 AM »
it's a radiant circuit. a capacitor is overcharged with negative voltage than internally discharges, creating an impulse. this is the key.
it's all tuned.

I'm wondering if using the back-EMF is why devices like Moray's kept cold while running? If you used his device to power bulbs they were bright white. If you used the grid they were yellowish.

If the back-EMF takes energy from the ambient then it could be in a different form than what we create with dynamos. Like light is light, but then there is laser, UV etc

The beauty is that scientists agree the energy is there in the vacuum. It is the radiation from EVERY source. I think this is the "Ether". Then you create a situation that Nature wants to equalize. Then you don't need to figure out where the energy comes from or how. Nature will put it there. Like there is no energy in a battery. Then you connect the terminals and energy appears. This is so trivial to us, that we don't give it a second thought. The point being that the energy is not there, but it appears when Nature tries to equalize both levels

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Re: The bifilar pancake coil at its resonant frequency
« Reply #1540 on: September 07, 2018, 11:57:57 AM »
yes the Aether is disturbed by the disruptive capacitor discharge impulse from the bifilar pancake coil.
And nature equalises the pressure difference.
 at the same time there is a magnetic vortex
and a resonant ringing of the Aether.

the pressure becomes negative from the negative voltage discharge, and creates a vacuum, or low Aether pressure.

like opening a vacuum jar, under water.
the water pressure instantly fills the vacuum of the jar

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Re: The bifilar pancake coil at its resonant frequency
« Reply #1541 on: September 07, 2018, 12:32:28 PM »
yes the Aether is disturbed by the disruptive capacitor discharge impulse from the bifilar pancake coil.
And nature equalises the pressure difference.
 at the same time there is a magnetic vortex
and a resonant ringing of the Aether.

the pressure becomes negative from the negative voltage discharge, and creates a vacuum, or low Aether pressure.

like opening a vacuum jar, under water.
the water pressure instantly fills the vacuum of the jar

If you put the back-EMF into the cap and the other side of the cap to the ground what happens? Will the ground supply "more positive" electrons to the other side or positive charge appears from "somewhere"

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Re: The bifilar pancake coil at its resonant frequency
« Reply #1542 on: September 09, 2018, 04:41:23 PM »
Diagram update

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Re: The bifilar pancake coil at its resonant frequency
« Reply #1543 on: September 09, 2018, 09:20:41 PM »
L3 is also tuned by a capacitor
the whole system is resonant(or interacting on all levels) , so tuning is key
"earth" is still a floating ground. (reference)


did a test with a different setup, and got a disruptive discharge in L2 just before the mosfet turned on in L1 and at the negative maximum of L3(resonant). first I thought it was the inductive spike after turning the mosfet off, but it is before turn on! Why is it happening here, at that specific point in time?
L1 has already lost its magnetic field at this point. what is the trigger, for this event?

also
C3 is parallel over half of L2, using the center tap.
I wonder why. It feels as if it is an energy pump.
will build this the next t days.

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Re: The bifilar pancake coil at its resonant frequency
« Reply #1544 on: September 09, 2018, 11:31:17 PM »
Hi  I don't know if it's relevant or not but I had a go at Nelsons ''radiant exciter'' thinking it would be easy to get going as i'm not sure about the pancake number of speaker wire turns on his new device. However different ferrite torrid's give entirely different frequency's and ringing problems and BEMF
I suspect unless the correct number of turns are known here and any added coatings it could be a real jigsaw puzzle getting the best results.

Happy days eh ;)

 

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