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Author Topic: The bifilar pancake coil at its resonant frequency  (Read 302660 times)

Offline nelsonrochaa

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Re: The bifilar pancake coil at its resonant frequency
« Reply #150 on: March 27, 2017, 07:13:28 AM »
You are welcome MH.  I am done here also.  They apparently aren't at all interested in learning anything that might disturb their fantasies.  Some people just refuse to accept help.  I do wonder sometimes if the ones calling others the MIB or whatever are not really one of them themselves and are only here to lead others astray with their wild theories.

Citfta ,
" I just get frustrated with people that refuse to accept what are perfectly normal observations about something"

You don't need go frustrate , you are deal with persons that actually are able to decide the path to go by himself  don't get frustrated about that . 
No one refuse help for anyone, we already ear all opinions by the people that did not agree , but the respect fit in every time in ever place , and that not happen for sure  .

"..learning anything that might disturb their fantasies"
 what fantasies are you refer ?  I really don't understand that sentence could you explain me please the meaning of that ?

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Offline Dog-One

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Re: The bifilar pancake coil at its resonant frequency
« Reply #151 on: March 27, 2017, 07:40:27 AM »
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Thanks
good to now someone is listening  ::)

Most certainly.

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I will continue making my video's,  think for myself, listen to my heart, and do the work that needs to be done.

If you hit a wall, I'll remind you of that statement.    ;)

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I did expect the abc agency's to do their job. and look what happend, within  a week.

I always say if you are catching flak, could be you are over the target.
Maybe that sort of response is out of desperation.  If I was so smart and knew this
stuff inside and out, I would sit on the sideline and say to myself, "What are these
knuckleheads doing?"  But that isn't what's happening is it.  Could be a clue.


I do have something to add.  It may be useful to your experimenting; it may not,
but I'll PM it to you and Nelson to avoid another furball here in this thread.

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Re: The bifilar pancake coil at its resonant frequency
« Reply #152 on: March 27, 2017, 11:31:20 AM »
@nelsonrochaa  Hello Mr. Rocha,

my question is, if You would be willing  to sell the circuit scheme and know-how of your "Avesome Resonator" to this community - in solely anticipatory and nonbinding way in this moment? The transfer of know-how would probably involve the construction of few working prototypes for escrow agent(s). We would discuss the legal conditions and similar stuffs in specialized thread dedicated to this subject. I cannot promise, that such transaction would be feasible for both parties - but at least we can attempt for it and to broke the information barrier existing here.

Thank You for Your kind reply in advance

Zephir

Edit: See also Sirius Disclosure anouncement for free energy technologies

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Re: The bifilar pancake coil at its resonant frequency
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Offline ramset

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Re: The bifilar pancake coil at its resonant frequency
« Reply #153 on: March 27, 2017, 12:37:31 PM »
a·nom·a·ly
/əˈnäməlē/
noun
noun: anomaly; plural noun: anomalies
1. something that deviates from what is standard, normal, or expected.

here we search for anomalies ,TRUE anomalies.

which would hopefully lead to a pair of scissors to cut the power cable from the global warming or Global melting fuel sources,[Which we are currently fighting over to survive.

I don't believe Nelson can take the scissors to his power cable ?, but it would be good to qualify what this "anomaly" is ?
besides making people sick ? it is very easy to make people sick with improperly used  power levels in unshielded environments

unless Nelson refers to this kind of sick  ----https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geiger_counter .??

what is the claim of this Circuit ?

an "anomaly" or a Misunderstanding ??

 

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Re: The bifilar pancake coil at its resonant frequency
« Reply #154 on: March 27, 2017, 01:11:15 PM »
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I don't believe Nelson can take the scissors to his power cable ?, but it would be good to qualify what this "anomaly" is
Not just this - it should demonstrate his device inside some Faraday/mesh cage.

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Re: The bifilar pancake coil at its resonant frequency
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Offline TinselKoala

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Re: The bifilar pancake coil at its resonant frequency
« Reply #155 on: March 27, 2017, 01:36:46 PM »
There exist four types of bifilar wound coils:1.Parallel- wound, series connected;2.Parallel-wound, parallel connected;3.Counter-wound, series connected;4.Counter-wound, parallel connected. For me the bifilar coil is this one : hairpin bifilar. Such a coil would really have self-inductance suppressed.
This is actually bad thing for scalar wave physics and from this reason Tesla did use conical and bi-conical coils.

I wonder if you actually watched that video of mine which you so kindly linked. In that video I show that the hairpin bifilar winding does indeed have "self inductance suppressed", and this is perfectly reasonable when you consider the shape of the magnetic field around a conductor. It is not mysterious at all to anyone who has a grounding in ordinary physics. However that is NOT the Tesla Bifilar winding that we (some of us anyway) have been discussing and that most people who say "bifilar" are talking about. And it is the reason that I always, or nearly always, specify TESLA bifilar windings when I talk about these coils. But I see that even that doesn't succeed in avoiding confusion amongst a certain group of people. I urge you to re-read Tesla's patent 512340. Note that in Tesla's patent, two wires are parallel-wound and connected in series, but with the innermost end of one winding connected to the outermost end of the other winding. This is exactly the way my solenoidal bifilar coil is wound in the meter test I posted earlier, the only difference being that my coil is solenoidal and Tesla's (and those of some of the other experimenters posting here) are flat pancake coils. One huge reason that Tesla was using flat or conical primary coils was to get the outermost windings, or uppermost windings in the case of the conical coils, out of "reach" of the high voltage secondaries so that spark-over between the primary and secondary could not happen. This kind of sparkover is dangerous to personnel and equipment, as the spark is conductive and causes the low-frequency, high current primary to be "shorted" into the EHV, high frequency secondary.  It has nothing to do with "scalar wave physics" at all.

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Re: The bifilar pancake coil at its resonant frequency
« Reply #156 on: March 27, 2017, 01:53:17 PM »
@nelsonrochaa  Hello Mr. Rocha,

my question is, if You would be willing  to sell the circuit scheme and know-how of your "Avesome Resonator" to this community - in solely anticipatory and nonbinding way in this moment? The transfer of know-how would probably involve the construction of few working prototypes for escrow agent(s). We would discuss the legal conditions and similar stuffs in specialized thread dedicated to this subject. I cannot promise, that such transaction would be feasible for both parties - but at least we can attempt for it and to broke the information barrier existing here.

Thank You for Your kind reply in advance

Zephir

Edit: See also Sirius Disclosure anouncement for free energy technologies

Here's my "guesstimation". The circuit appears to be a relatively ordinary "JT" type of blocking oscillator, with pre-charged capacitor(s) that are actually powering the LEDs. Perhaps he is using large-capacity supercaps. The piezo lighter element sends an impulse, through the Neon bulb, to the circuit to "jumpstart" it but it is not running on the relatively small energy imparted by that spark impulse. I think I can actually see the LEDs dimming over the course of the video. Where is the instrumental measurement of LED brightness? Nowhere. Trying to judge LED brightness in a video or even by eye in the lab is very deceptive , but a lightmeter, properly used, will tell the truth about LED brightness and will show the dimming over time as the capacitors discharge.

A big wirewound power resistor? That's a big Red Herring for analyzing this Cargo Cult electronic circuit.

Of course Nelson can always Prove Me Wrong (tm TKLabs) by publishing the actual circuit and allowing others to replicate it and discuss it on this OPEN SOURCE forum. I won't be holding my breath waiting for that to happen though. "Open Source"... what a laugh that is, when people fail to respect that philosophy entirely.

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Re: The bifilar pancake coil at its resonant frequency
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Offline TinselKoala

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Re: The bifilar pancake coil at its resonant frequency
« Reply #157 on: March 27, 2017, 01:56:50 PM »
Not just this - it should demonstrate his device inside some Faraday/mesh cage.

If Nelson wanted to fool you with fakery, by perhaps using a wireless power transmitter concealed nearby his demonstration area, or concealed power sources on the board itself (like hollowed out electrolytic caps with their innards replaced with button cell batteries, Akula-style) don't you think he could do that even if his device was inside a mesh cage? I certainly could.

I don't think he is faking anything. I just think he is misinterpreting, deliberately or otherwise, what his circuits are actually doing.

Offline nelsonrochaa

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Re: The bifilar pancake coil at its resonant frequency
« Reply #158 on: March 27, 2017, 02:11:26 PM »
@nelsonrochaa  Hello Mr. Rocha,

my question is, if You would be willing  to sell the circuit scheme and know-how of your "Avesome Resonator" to this community - in solely anticipatory and nonbinding way in this moment? The transfer of know-how would probably involve the construction of few working prototypes for escrow agent(s). We would discuss the legal conditions and similar stuffs in specialized thread dedicated to this subject. I cannot promise, that such transaction would be feasible for both parties - but at least we can attempt for it and to broke the information barrier existing here.

Thank You for Your kind reply in advance

Zephir

Edit: See also Sirius Disclosure anouncement for free energy technologies

Zephir ,

I already answer in the topic "solid state devices / Re: FE Device by 'Armored Train" that circuit is only a more efficient way to discharge a capacitor , go to that topic and read please , i answer to TK  in the context of that topic .
That circuit even not nice was made in 2014 with the parts that i able to salvage from garbage.

Again i will tell you that i don't sell anything to anyone , or even promote something to win money by viewers .
In this moment money is not my high problem , because i have my own salary .

I already reject several offers of money  by some members from this forum and until i have contract with my actual Patronage, i will continue do that .  I respect agreements, and my integrity as a person is worth more than money.
I already explain in PM to you , that in some days i have a Demonstration to a possible investor in Hamburg , and in that way is easy understand why i'm not available at moment to share any of my work in detail .

Hope i have clear once and for all about that subject , and we should not even be discussing this topic in this topic, right?

Cheers

Nelson Rocha

 

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Re: The bifilar pancake coil at its resonant frequency
« Reply #158 on: March 27, 2017, 02:11:26 PM »
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Re: The bifilar pancake coil at its resonant frequency
« Reply #159 on: March 27, 2017, 02:22:29 PM »
If Nelson wanted to fool you with fakery, by perhaps using a wireless power transmitter concealed nearby his demonstration area, or concealed power sources on the board itself (like hollowed out electrolytic caps with their innards replaced with button cell batteries, Akula-style) don't you think he could do that even if his device was inside a mesh cage? I certainly could.

I don't think he is faking anything. I just think he is misinterpreting, deliberately or otherwise, what his circuits are actually doing.
Perhaps, so as a matter of interest where did Roma (Akula) hide his car battery then, it must have been in another dimension then? Aren't we constantly being bombarded with plasma streams and charged particles from the Sun ? there is also the deception from corporate 'quackery' trying to halt the 'free' independence thing ect. which result in pressure on those in the 'know how to' area to 'doctor saboteur' this know how information. ;)

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Re: The bifilar pancake coil at its resonant frequency
« Reply #160 on: March 27, 2017, 02:38:16 PM »
If Nelson wanted to fool you with fakery, by perhaps using a wireless power transmitter concealed nearby his demonstration area, or concealed power sources on the board itself (like hollowed out electrolytic caps with their innards replaced with button cell batteries, Akula-style) don't you think he could do that even if his device was inside a mesh cage? I certainly could.

I don't think he is faking anything. I just think he is misinterpreting, deliberately or otherwise, what his circuits are actually doing.

TK i don't fool anyone , i don' t need do that , and that circuit don't have batteries too .

About you say "people fail to respect that philosophy entirely." don't give me moral lessons just start read this topic from begin and you will see what is fail to respect ;  myself full assume that i don't work in opensource and what ?
Is imperative  to i give some opinion or share my work in detail ? Where are that rules write ?

My work is nothing,  did you not read the last posts by MH ?  who cares with my "fantasies"  or with i think or i do  ?
I just light led and neon bulbs in my hand :)  and at the end is only a shoe box containing a Joule Thief lol.

You for example even i don't like you normal caustic way of talking , but you are a person that show and test to refute others , not like most , that are only in this forum trying probe one point without respect other opinions but never show  nothing  practical to refute others work  . but works to anonymous masses...

About i prove that you are wrong why i should do that ? Did i need to probe something to you ? For sure not , you are in much more high standard technician level then me in that area why i should probe something to you ?

You don't need really , because , You would most certainly be the right person to reproduce my circuits.
But you're not a fortune teller, and even with your know how, it's no good if you do not know what's going on, you can only assume, nothing more.

cheers

Nelson Rocha

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Re: The bifilar pancake coil at its resonant frequency
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Re: The bifilar pancake coil at its resonant frequency
« Reply #161 on: March 27, 2017, 02:42:18 PM »
Perhaps, so as a matter of interest where did Roma (Akula) hide his car battery then, it must have been in another dimension then?
I don't know what Akula demonstration you are referring to, but if you give me a link I can take a look at it. But if you believe in Akula's self-powered devices what is to prevent you from believing that he could hide batteries in another dimension?

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Aren't we constantly being bombarded with plasma streams and charged particles from the Sun ?

Fortunately for us, our atmosphere and our magnetic field protect us from by far the majority of the charged particles from the Sun, as well as the plasma streams. Not much reaches down to us here on the surface. There is far more energy available at or near ground level from photons in the visible and near-visible spectrum than there is from the solar wind. Do you believe that Akula's devices are powered by charged particles from the Sun? Well, maybe he charges his batteries/capacitors with solar panels using solar photons. Here in the city where I live, we get about 15 percent of our electricity from a giant solar PV farm just south of the city limits. And my state is the largest producer of wind power (also solar driven) in the USA.
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there is also the deception from corporate 'quackery' trying to halt the 'free' independence thing ect. which result in pressure on those in the 'know how to' area to 'doctor saboteur' this know how information. ;)

Isn't it amazing, then, that dangerous forums like this are even allowed to exist? What would happen to the "corporations" if someone on EF or OU, or some other forum based in even more repressive societies like Russia or Georgia or Azerbaijan actually accidentally did make some self-runner that produced excess energy in useful form? Why is Akula even still allowed to work?  I know why, and I think you do too.

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Re: The bifilar pancake coil at its resonant frequency
« Reply #162 on: March 27, 2017, 02:50:56 PM »

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Re: The bifilar pancake coil at its resonant frequency
« Reply #163 on: March 27, 2017, 02:54:14 PM »
So do I.

http://www.youtube.com/edit?o=U&video_id=3Cv4XF4FV6w
http://www.youtube.com/edit?o=U&video_id=ULDh8sTc8Kw

.. and I set the air on fire, too:



Lol , maybe you will ear the same by MH just like he tell me  , You should maybe  not have shown that :)

Nice


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xCrkICEUiQQ
cheers

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Re: The bifilar pancake coil at its resonant frequency
« Reply #164 on: March 27, 2017, 03:54:27 PM »
Yes, very nice. I try to avoid punching holes in my bulbs though.  ;)


 

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