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Author Topic: The bifilar pancake coil at its resonant frequency  (Read 202804 times)

Offline Grumage

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Re: The bifilar pancake coil at its resonant frequency
« Reply #1455 on: May 07, 2017, 05:15:27 PM »
Dear AlienGrey.

Would that be a Free Energy Device with Conformité Européenne??

Highly unlikely, they wouldn't know where to put the " sticker " !

Cheers Graham.

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Offline ramset

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Re: The bifilar pancake coil at its resonant frequency
« Reply #1456 on: May 07, 2017, 05:15:49 PM »
AG

Only been 7 years for you ?? [probably 50 or more for some reading here]
I do however feel your pain...

I think this is all going to change very shortly...perhaps the problems here
will diminish too when there is a clear path and especially when we can make better measurements ,and recognize true anomalies .

the only way to advance your position...is to actually know where you're standing.

and here in this thread [including OUR] the Builders have made some benchmark moments better defining where we stand.

respectfully
Chet K






Offline ramset

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Re: The bifilar pancake coil at its resonant frequency
« Reply #1457 on: May 07, 2017, 06:08:39 PM »
Erfinder

some folks have different paths , I can honestly say your position [ignore  measurement]
 has always confused me.

but from a very early age I was taught this method {aviation industry]
and I have found it saves lives [Material testing Lab experience]



and in this case ,the pancake thread experiments [ here and at OUR]
it has become imperative to make good measurements so as to know where one stands.

I would imagine even persons who seek investors will eventually have to cross that bridge to access funding?
but here we are open source !!

and so far ....in this thread
we have learned measuring is a good thing.

respectfully
Chet K


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Re: The bifilar pancake coil at its resonant frequency
« Reply #1457 on: May 07, 2017, 06:08:39 PM »
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Offline synchro1

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Re: The bifilar pancake coil at its resonant frequency
« Reply #1458 on: May 07, 2017, 06:33:43 PM »
Below is Ampere's force law. We can see that lowering inductance will lower the magnetic force with the same current:

Offline ramset

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Re: The bifilar pancake coil at its resonant frequency
« Reply #1459 on: May 07, 2017, 06:44:31 PM »
well
there is no better time to lead by example

and yes it is not a topic to be taken lightly [open source OU]
as you say " countless lives are being lost and have been lost"

respectfully
Chet K


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Re: The bifilar pancake coil at its resonant frequency
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Offline AlienGrey

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Re: The bifilar pancake coil at its resonant frequency
« Reply #1460 on: May 07, 2017, 07:45:33 PM »
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« Last Edit: May 07, 2017, 11:51:30 PM by AlienGrey »

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Re: The bifilar pancake coil at its resonant frequency
« Reply #1461 on: May 07, 2017, 08:02:12 PM »
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« Last Edit: May 07, 2017, 11:52:23 PM by AlienGrey »

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Re: The bifilar pancake coil at its resonant frequency
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Offline synchro1

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Re: The bifilar pancake coil at its resonant frequency
« Reply #1462 on: May 07, 2017, 08:47:15 PM »
We know the higher inductance of the ferrite core series bifilar coil will result in a stronger magnetic field. We can measure this with a Gauss meter. We can convert the greater flux into an electrical power equivalent with the following formula: 3600 Joules per second will deliver 1 Tesla (10,000 Gauss) in a coil of 1 Henry of inductance. The result will equal the "Gain in Watts"!
« Last Edit: May 08, 2017, 12:28:50 AM by synchro1 »

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Re: The bifilar pancake coil at its resonant frequency
« Reply #1463 on: May 07, 2017, 11:18:31 PM »
Well
I can guarantee you that if you start a topic with a preface explaining your position

you will get respect here ![it is what we are trying to accomplish here
open discussions without sidetracking comments or unsolicited fights.

There are many interested in what you have to say.
Those who are not should refrain from interrupting ,it has after all
been made perfectly clear [by yourself] your stance on their input [applying measurement protocols to everything ].

And on the second comment ,I was not sure what you meant ,nor do I need
to fill this topic with explanations or off topic conversations.

I respect your position ,although I know you could care less about my respect ,and I am OK with that and will narry post a period >.<
in your topic.

and will Beg others who have no real interest or would interrupt with unsolicited comments to do likewise.

respectfully
Chet K


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Re: The bifilar pancake coil at its resonant frequency
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Offline AlienGrey

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Re: The bifilar pancake coil at its resonant frequency
« Reply #1464 on: May 08, 2017, 12:02:38 AM »
Oh please! i wasn't aware it was still a bifilar pancake coil thread I sort of got the impression it was some kind of mud slinging SA competition gong on in here.

Chet, are you really only 10 years old ?

Anyway, you will be glad to see i have removed my offending posts as hinted.

Regards AG

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Re: The bifilar pancake coil at its resonant frequency
« Reply #1465 on: May 08, 2017, 12:27:34 AM »

each time this is tried, the measurement junkies come in with the authority of homeland security and change the subject to....yup you guessed it....proper measurement practices....practices that they themselves have yet to agree on.....

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Erfinder,

Respectively, in your work I have to assume at some point you take various forms of measurements.  Otherwise, how in the world do you know what you have or where you stand in your development?  How do you compare energy out to energy in which has to be done if the goal is to achieve self powered energy sources?  Perhaps this is not your goal.

Measurements and more accurately stated, precise measurements are a must if one needs to determine if any progress is being made and if the direction taken is correct.

Regarding the measurement issues on OUR,  I feel responsible as it is my COP>1 MEI claims that have driven the efforts to this point in time.  Is it easy to measure accurately, absolutely not.  This is due to the large reactive power in the circuit compared to the smaller resistive power output.  There is much effort by many to develop an accurate as possible measurement protocol.  Will this happen, I happen to believe it will.

Regards,
Pm 

 

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Re: The bifilar pancake coil at its resonant frequency
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Re: The bifilar pancake coil at its resonant frequency
« Reply #1466 on: May 08, 2017, 03:12:00 AM »
I have two projects on my test bench right now; Let me start with the math:

Xee2 has a series bifilar and a single wire coil of equal turns on two identical high perm cores.

The single wire coil measures 15.9 Milli-Henrys and the bifilar 16.8 Milli-Henrys of inductance.

We know that it takes 3600 Joules per second to generate 1 Tesla of magnetic force in a coil of 1 Henry of inductance, and that 1 Tesla is equal to 10,000 Gauss; Therefore:

16.8 mH divided by 10,000 equals 168 Gauss for the bifilar and 159 Gauss for the single wire at the following power input:

10,000 divided by 3600 equals 2.777. Multiplied by 168 Gauss equals 466.6 Joules per second or 466.6 Watts.

Multiplying the single wire Gauss by the same factor equals 441.5 watts.

Deducting the the 441.5 from the 466.6 gives us 25.1 watts.

So, the gain factor for the bifilar over the single wire coil with the high perm ferrite core is 25.1 watts. That's the power we would save to generate a magnetic field of identical force with the series bifilar wrap over the single wire coil of equal windings.

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Re: The bifilar pancake coil at its resonant frequency
« Reply #1467 on: May 08, 2017, 09:27:23 AM »
The simple fact is that an "over unity" circuit will self oscillate  ..that is the simple proof that it operates beyond

what our theory tells us it should .
There will be no battery other than to kick start it and that would be a cap any way.
At the same time there are measurement errors that countless people have made claim to proof of operation
because of their trust in measurements but as some of the dedicated people here, poynt99 is the most
respected along with many others helping out to find the truth when claims are made with so called
measurements but with out self oscillation.
Others here have motives that I fail to  understand but that's life I guess .

"Measurement junkies" would not exist if  claims were not made based on them and although they may
be seen as spoiling the fun, they are the real performers here because we must not forget that scrutiny is
valuable to us if we are ever going to learn and sadly our test equipment has limitations that need to be
understood .

Or don't bother with it and self run ..as that is the proof to any body.

The fact is that measurements can only be useful in context ,we still see engineers fail to understand that

digital multi meters (and digital oscilloscopes)operate in a way that is not suitable for measurements outside

"normal" conditions.
Mains ac is usually ok, dc levels of low internal resistance and no variation is ok, and measuring resistor and
cap values where we have no clue they are priceless things.

Put them anywhere near an rf field or a noise source and things go pear shaped .
Even analogue meters have issues ,usually with circuit loading but all are just tools of trade .
When an open source over unity device is presented it will self run ....anything else is almost certainly a
measurement error made without any real self scrutiny.

We all owe a great deal to those that supply scrutiny with careful investigation .
Having said the there are also trolls who will do or say anything just to be noticed by other
nameless entities ...we are a diverse bunch !

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Re: The bifilar pancake coil at its resonant frequency
« Reply #1468 on: May 08, 2017, 11:48:27 AM »
Not sure I want to read all this 'driberdrab' If you have a bifilar wound pancake coil will it have any inductance ? so if no inductance how has it got resonance ? surely any single wire has inductance but not bifilar wound has none as it's canceled out, I should know as T1000 had us on that one on the Dailly tread.

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Re: The bifilar pancake coil at its resonant frequency
« Reply #1469 on: May 08, 2017, 01:26:19 PM »

sad really.....you folk can't see without your aids....



Only a fool drives at night,without his head lights on.


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