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Author Topic: The bifilar pancake coil at its resonant frequency  (Read 302663 times)

Offline citfta

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Re: The bifilar pancake coil at its resonant frequency
« Reply #135 on: March 26, 2017, 11:24:36 PM »


Now you are clearly demonstrating your lack of electronics knowledge.  Here is the circuit of the Accutron watch.  I never said the mechanical working was the same.  I said the electronic circuit was almost identical because it uses a magnet to trigger coil F1 in the drawing which is exactly the same way the Bedini SSG is triggered.  When the transistor is turned on it pulses the drive coils just like the SSG pulses the main coil.  The drive coils cause the tiny tuning fork to vibrate.  In the SSG the drive coil kicks the magnet away.

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Re: The bifilar pancake coil at its resonant frequency
« Reply #136 on: March 26, 2017, 11:42:38 PM »
This is just your theory of their similarity. The Bedini circuit is essentially a JouleThief circuit and it can oscillate on its very own. The Accutron circuit wouldn't oscillate without mechanical resonator (tuning fork fixed).

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In the SSG the drive coil kicks the magnet away.

In another words, the magnets and driving coil form bucking circuit with magnetic fields arranged in OPPOSITE way. You're probably confusing Bedini's generator with Andrew's motor or some similar - yet very classical with respect to overunity - stepping motor device.

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Re: The bifilar pancake coil at its resonant frequency
« Reply #137 on: March 27, 2017, 12:13:09 AM »
We already hear your opinion ,  but you can not impose your ideas on others. We have already noticed your opinion and I am grateful for it. Do you have anything else to add?

I am not trying to impose anything on you and if I have something to add I will add it.  I post for the readers of the forum, both for the members and for the anonymous masses that lurk and read the forum.  My service is to them and I can assure you that many of them understand what I am saying and they understand my qualification of you and Evostars and they know exactly what container that the two of you fit into.

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Re: The bifilar pancake coil at its resonant frequency
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Re: The bifilar pancake coil at its resonant frequency
« Reply #138 on: March 27, 2017, 12:26:59 AM »
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uiLgM3EkQBE
With this bifilar pancake coil i can charge the 12 v battery without magnet rotor, can you describe this experiment...?
Hi skycollection, what will happen, if you replace your battery with capacitor? Such a capacitor should recharge much faster and you would also have proof of self-running circuit.

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Re: The bifilar pancake coil at its resonant frequency
« Reply #139 on: March 27, 2017, 12:31:02 AM »
New evidence emerges each day - it just emerges in private sector, which you cannot get more information from (Akula, Infinity SAV team, etc.) Don't expect, someone of these guys will kindly tell you, how his device is actually working. We must find it together here again from scratch. Of course, you can just wait for new evidence outside this forum - but don't expect, that someone will give you more information than for example Akula did. And I'm not throwing old evidence at all - instead of it, I'm just explaining you here, what the old and new overunity devices have in common and how to explain/interpret their similarity in most straightforward way.

By making reference to Akula as a legitimate person when no one can replicate yet another circuit does not help your credibility with a certain percentage of the readers.  Even many free energy enthusiasts feel that Akula was yet another fake.

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We must find it together here again from scratch.

Of course we have to figure it out from scratch!  They never tell us!  All of those millions of people that starve to death each year from malnutrition where their lives could be saved by access to a new and cheap form of energy.  Think of all of the millions of children that could be saved.  And yet, every single free energy inventor never tells us how it works.  They put their own personal financial gain ahead of the millions of lives that they could save every year by fully open-sourcing their technology.  It's crazy because in this day and age, if they gave away their free energy technology then they would almost instantly become rich as celebrities and by going on speaking tours.  You would think that at least one of them would see the right path in life and do the right thing and end up saving millions of lives each year.  What a fantastic achievement that would be.

But alas, Akula remains somewhere in the steppes of Russia looking for another investor.  We must keep on searching and building and replicating.

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Re: The bifilar pancake coil at its resonant frequency
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Re: The bifilar pancake coil at its resonant frequency
« Reply #140 on: March 27, 2017, 12:52:42 AM »
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And yet, every single free energy inventor never tells us how it works.  They put their own personal financial gain ahead of the millions of lives that they could save every year by fully open-sourcing their technology.  It's crazy because in this day and age, if they gave away their free energy technology then they would almost instantly become rich as celebrities and by going on speaking tours.

IMO you're idealizing problem way too much. We can turn your question upside down and to ask, why the people, who want to save billions of children from starvation so much don't contribute the overunity inventors for their research? Why the scientists, who are already payed with millions by tax payers don't invest into research of these findings? For example Nelson Rocha here seems to have some working device - why not to close a collective deal just with him? He just told us, he cannot tell the secret, only because he got few thousands(?) Euro for non-disclosure agreement with company, which bought his secret. So how much he would want for breaking it and submitting his secret for the rest of civilization? The Kickstarter is full of way crazier projects.

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Even many free energy enthusiasts feel that Akula was yet another fake.
This is just a feeling. I've many feelings every five minutes. Solid evidence is what is required in both ways: both for confirmation, both for dismissal.

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Re: The bifilar pancake coil at its resonant frequency
« Reply #141 on: March 27, 2017, 01:22:57 AM »
You are doing great work evostars.  I'd really like to see you and Nelson
keep moving forward.  Best you can, try to ignore the noise.
Thanks
good to now someone is listening  ::)
I will continue making my video's,  think for myself, listen to my heart, and do the work that needs to be done.
 I did expect the abc agency's to do their job. and look what happend, within  a week.

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Offline NRamaswami

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Re: The bifilar pancake coil at its resonant frequency
« Reply #142 on: March 27, 2017, 01:32:04 AM »
Every possible Cop>1 device must use  either the combination of capacitors and Magnets or it must use another method. I have tested the first but I had been told that a device must run on its own to be considered cop>1 even if the input is low and output is high. And no scientist worth his name would endanger his career and certify such a device.

Nelson has his needs to be met. Why should he get in to legal troubles and cheat the investor who funded him.  I have seen all talks of poor children dying out of lack of energy is only an information extraction tool. And if you disclose all you get laughed at that it is not possible even without the other person verifying it. So why should we make ourselves ridiculed. This is the main reason.

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Re: The bifilar pancake coil at its resonant frequency
« Reply #143 on: March 27, 2017, 01:33:58 AM »
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Every possible Cop>1 device must use  either the combination of capacitors and Magnets or it must use another method.
Indeed, I just want one particular device - not anything else. We just need to get one documented case of self-running circuit from scientific reasons, no matter how small or dull it actually is - actually the simpler, the better.
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Why should he get in to legal troubles and cheat the investor who funded him.
He will not cheat anyone - he will indeed step out of contract (am I saying it correctly?) and he will return money which he got. Which is basically just his private business, nobody of us will check it.
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all you get laughed at that it is not possible even without the other person verifying it
This is all solvable - if Nelson would agree with this plan at least theoretically, we can establish a new dedicated thread and to reconsider all options and legal circumstances at public. He's the main person in this deal.

Of course whoever else inventor may also apply in it instead/in addition of him.

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Re: The bifilar pancake coil at its resonant frequency
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Re: The bifilar pancake coil at its resonant frequency
« Reply #144 on: March 27, 2017, 02:23:32 AM »
For example Nelson Rocha here seems to have some working device - why not to close a collective deal just with him? He just told us, he cannot tell the secret, only because he got few thousands(?) Euro for non-disclosure agreement with company, which bought his secret.

Thanks for further qualifying yourself.  Did you notice that Nelson was putting mechanical energy from Mr. Hand into a piezo-electric spark generator taken from a cigarette lighter?  Perhaps that energy filled a capacitor until the voltage got high enough to trigger a Joule Thief circuit?  Or perhaps Nelson got a dose of RomeroUK sickness.  I get the feeling there is some poor guy in Kuala Lumpur that paid a few thousand dollars for a shoe box containing a Joule Thief circuit and every few months he stares at it.  That is not going to save the millions of people that starve to death each year.

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This is just a feeling. I've many feelings every five minutes. Solid evidence is what is required in both ways: both for confirmation, both for dismissal.

Exactly so why are you even referencing Akula when you have no evidence whatsoever that he is real?

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Re: The bifilar pancake coil at its resonant frequency
« Reply #145 on: March 27, 2017, 02:27:05 AM »
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Perhaps that energy filled a capacitor until the voltage got high enough to trigger a Joule Thief circuit?
This is exactly what I think. Kapanadze and Akula also started their "fonarik" with impulse from battery. Not a big deal. What else behavior would you expect from selfrunning circuit?
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why are you even referencing Akula when you have no evidence whatsoever that he is real?
Oh, come on - we all have pile of evidence already. What I'm still missing is the PROOF - in the same way, like you. And why Akula couldn't have working device, once Nelson Rocha has it too? This is just a precedent.
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That is not going to save the millions of people that starve to death each year.
Of course not - this would be just a beginning. A powering of LED. If every of us would have working device in hand, we could start with its improvement - together or individually. The important is, we all will have proof - not just an evidence - and also starting point for further research. It's difficult to invent fire, if you never saw it burning.

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Re: The bifilar pancake coil at its resonant frequency
« Reply #146 on: March 27, 2017, 02:41:47 AM »
I did expect the abc agency's to do their job. and look what happend, within  a week.

Thanks for injecting a little bit of high comedy into the thread.  It's a Dunning-Kruger comedic moment.  Here you have some semi-spiritual Joe Blow that barely understands anything about electronics and clearly has no understanding whatsoever about how a coil actually works in the real world.  He is just one of thousands of beginning electronics tinkerers on YouTube.  It took a few postings and a few hours to fully qualify you.  And yet you believe that the government is now watching you because you made some LEDs light up with some pancake coils and a battery?  It's truly a Monty Python moment.

I actually came into this thread very diplomatically and tried to explain to you what you were doing and observing.  I said that you can choose to go your own way, or try pursuing two paths such that you would try to learn and understand the information that I and others were offering you.  But of course now that you have been qualified your response is no surprise.  I am not from the MIB, and what you are saying is really something about yourself and not about me or TK or anyone else that you think dresses in a black suit with dark sunglasses.  Somebody like myself or TK could work with you on the bench for a few days and after that experience you would be in shock.  You have no respect whatsoever for science and knowledge and experience and electronics.  It's all just unwitting comic theater in the round at this point and the lights are on you.

I can assure you that I seriously doubt that I will post in this thread any more to try to help you with sound advice and explanations and to share some knowledge.  I will be more than content to watch the comedy skit from the sidelines.

And a shout-out to Carroll for backing me up about the pancake coil.

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Re: The bifilar pancake coil at its resonant frequency
« Reply #147 on: March 27, 2017, 03:06:53 AM »
You are welcome MH.  I am done here also.  They apparently aren't at all interested in learning anything that might disturb their fantasies.  Some people just refuse to accept help.  I do wonder sometimes if the ones calling others the MIB or whatever are not really one of them themselves and are only here to lead others astray with their wild theories.

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Re: The bifilar pancake coil at its resonant frequency
« Reply #148 on: March 27, 2017, 03:13:43 AM »
Nelson, I will look for the "Ether of Space" and if I find it I will read it.  I am always open to learn more.  I just get frustrated with people that refuse to accept what are perfectly normal observations about something.  Thanks for the tip.

Carroll

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Re: The bifilar pancake coil at its resonant frequency
« Reply #149 on: March 27, 2017, 07:02:08 AM »
I am not trying to impose anything on you and if I have something to add I will add it.  I post for the readers of the forum, both for the members and for the anonymous masses that lurk and read the forum.  My service is to them and I can assure you that many of them understand what I am saying and they understand my qualification of you and Evostars and they know exactly what container that the two of you fit into.


If you don't want  impose anything what you want add more ??
"my qualification of you and Evostars and they know exactly what container that the two of you fit into"

  Now you start be rude man, you don't know me to make that type of judges about the persons . Take care, because i'm not sell any idea or even make profit did you understand that ?

I'm not free to answer in a topic open by another member ?
 For sure i'm free , and i will not let you that you stop me give my opinion in any topic that i will like give opinion.

You like soap opera, and is the reason why you've already been banned most often in debate forums inclusive in this same forum you show clear about ,you own formation like a person . See if you control yourself.

I'll repeat it again because it seems like you did not understand:
Your opinion is free as that of others, and respected as that of others but do not pass the limit of good education.


"Thanks for further qualifying yourself.  Did you notice that Nelson was putting mechanical energy from Mr. Hand into a piezo-electric spark generator taken from a cigarette lighter?  Perhaps that energy filled a capacitor until the voltage got high enough to trigger a Joule Thief circuit?  Or perhaps Nelson got a dose of RomeroUK sickness.  I get the feeling there is some poor guy in Kuala Lumpur that paid a few thousand dollars for a shoe box containing a Joule Thief circuit and every few months he stares at it.  That is not going to save the millions of people that starve to death each year."



Amazing ! Go on!  open a new topic and just reproduce if you able to do that is you best answer to you assure a good job work to anonymous masses like you say .

" You have no respect whatsoever for science and knowledge and experience and electronics"

But you don't have respect by anyone like all time you post in this forum .

If you don't have nothing more to add about the topic XAU

Have a nice day


 

 

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