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Author Topic: The bifilar pancake coil at its resonant frequency  (Read 473954 times)

Offline ramset

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Re: The bifilar pancake coil at its resonant frequency
« Reply #1335 on: May 03, 2017, 07:28:03 PM »
Nelson
There is another Elephant in the room ,We also Know if Milehigh could explain
this MEI behavior ,He already would have .

And to be perfectly Clear
No one is claiming OU ,there are things happening which show OU with the test equipment, and present test protocol's.

Getting this to loop may be the only way to show true OU
and for all we know
that may indeed be what you are trying to show in your Vid .

But Miles does have a point.. from his perspective ,we have found issues in the past with Devices not showing increase  input power as loads were attached. and the error's were found [groundloops isolation of equipment unknown Couplings  ETC ETC.

this claim however ...is addressing all possible issues [prior mistakes]
who knows... maybe Miles will even learn from this one ...meanwhile he sits on the Elephant
and Geers us on...

Offline nelsonrochaa

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Re: The bifilar pancake coil at its resonant frequency
« Reply #1336 on: May 03, 2017, 07:32:03 PM »

I am very concern'd that you will be hacked to the end here..

Hi Acca i already suffer several attacks to my firewall system on last weeks in German and even in Portugal  , the problem is that most people  don't know that i'm a specialist in security unix systems ;) so no problem  i will deal with that :) and  most important points are stored in a safe  way "My brain"
But thanks by your concern ;) 


Offline nelsonrochaa

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Re: The bifilar pancake coil at its resonant frequency
« Reply #1337 on: May 03, 2017, 07:41:54 PM »
Nelson
There is another Elephant in the room ,We also Know if Milehigh could explain
this MEI behavior ,He already would have .

And to be perfectly Clear
No one is claiming OU ,there are things happening which show OU with the test equipment, and present test protocol's.

Getting this to loop may be the only way to show true OU
and for all we know
that may indeed be what you are trying to show in your Vid .

But Miles does have a point.. from his perspective ,we have found issues in the past with Devices not showing increase  input power as loads were attached. and the error's were found [groundloops isolation of equipment unknown Couplings  ETC ETC.

this claim however ...is addressing all possible issues [prior mistakes]
who knows... maybe Miles will even learn from this one ...meanwhile he sits on the Elephant
and Geers us on...

ramset , totally understood ;)  people is owner of their own head and thoughts  and i respect that .  and other persons should do the same, just that .

Have a nice day





Offline tinman

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Re: The bifilar pancake coil at its resonant frequency
« Reply #1338 on: May 03, 2017, 09:30:57 PM »

My post was removed completely almost immediately....his is still there after 30min....double standards.....

Big difference in language used as well,between him and you.

You may tell me to kiss my ass all you like-or tell me what you have told everyone else,and that is, nothing much at all.

Offline tinman

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Re: The bifilar pancake coil at its resonant frequency
« Reply #1339 on: May 03, 2017, 09:49:13 PM »

ok.....kiss my ass!

Lol-thats better.

BTW
you took my comment the wrong way.
It was suppose to be a thumbs up for you-not an insult.

Anyway-such is life.


Brad

Offline picowatt

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Re: The bifilar pancake coil at its resonant frequency
« Reply #1340 on: May 04, 2017, 12:10:23 AM »
So is it real or is it just one of millions of patents that were never used in the real world and the only reason it is discussed is because Tesla's name is on it?


MH,

Of course it was "real".  Consider the fact that Tesla was having to use brine filled wine bottles in metal tubs of brine to make his capacitors (as per his Colorado Springs Notes).  He spent a lot of time quantifying the characteristics of different wine bottles versus brine levels, capacitance, and breakdown voltage with respect to their ues in his brine solution/wine bottle capacitors (I believe he liked the dome bottom bottles best, if memory serves).

Now imagine you are Tesla and you just figured out how to make a given inductance have an intrinsically greater distributed capacitance.  This great discovery could eliminate a lot of wine bottles, brine tubs, lossy wine bottle inter-connecting cabling and more than likely greatly improved the overall Q of his system.

For those reasons alone it was a great discovery at the time.  As for any additional "magic" some would wish to assign, who knows?  But, sometimes a really good cigar is just a really good cigar...

PW

Offline MileHigh

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Re: The bifilar pancake coil at its resonant frequency
« Reply #1341 on: May 04, 2017, 12:38:54 AM »
PW:

How nice to see you back!  I have no doubt it was "real."  But to use English parlance, was it "real real?"  Was it used in an application or applications in industry or some other area?  Would you agree that the patent language states that it is a series resonance device where the inherent capacitance could be used for power factor correction?

Now, if Tesla had a bunch of big bifilar coils made in various shapes and sizes to do research in his lab, I suppose that you could call that a very very narrow niche application.  So less requirements for brine-filled wine bottles in tubs and all that stuff.

Did you know that the Microsoft Kin product lasted only 48 days on the open market?  lol  They spent a billion dollars on it.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_Kin

MileHigh

Offline padova

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Re: The bifilar pancake coil at its resonant frequency
« Reply #1342 on: May 04, 2017, 01:41:52 AM »
You "Mile" from the sky or whatever you call yourself, please go away from this thread,
I'm not very much interested whit TBPC they are difficult to wind and they have weird properties,
but I'd like from time to time to see what is going on, and what is happening,
You dude are an obstacle, go away, find some school, educate yourself while you still can.
Stop  abusing this tread and Tesla's legacy and everyone else here.

Offline Dog-One

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Re: The bifilar pancake coil at its resonant frequency
« Reply #1343 on: May 04, 2017, 02:08:35 AM »
Stop  abusing this tread and Tesla's legacy and everyone else here.

Speaking of Tesla's legacy.  This is quite a read.  Mr. Tesla even predicted his own
departure three months in advance.  Let's see MH do that...

Offline ramset

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Re: The bifilar pancake coil at its resonant frequency
« Reply #1344 on: May 04, 2017, 02:15:51 AM »
opportunity to help !!

here we have an experimenter who has been wrestling with a Junkie scope [no math function]

some of us would like to fix this problem and get TinMan a good scope to work with Asap

he won't like this [at all]

but he needs a scope and some of us need to give back for all his hard work
over the years.

anyone willing to help ,please PM me.

thanks

Chet
PS
@DOG
you had mentioned a scope which you thought "a good deal" ?
also moderators can remove this post and others in the AM


Offline Dog-One

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Re: The bifilar pancake coil at its resonant frequency
« Reply #1345 on: May 04, 2017, 02:24:38 AM »
@DOG
you had mentioned a scope which you thought "a good deal" ?
also moderators can remove this post and others in the AM

I mentioned a good DVM so Brad would know the exact values of his CSRs and such.

For a scope, his Atten is basically the same as my Siglent, so I'm open to suggestions in this
area too.  My scope will do quite a bit and in most cases is more than I need, but occasionally
something comes up that I can't do, like doing measurements on a math trace.  That and just
having a nice set of differential probes would take care of any measuring I can foresee.

My vote is this.
« Last Edit: May 04, 2017, 05:27:46 AM by Dog-One »

Offline MileHigh

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Re: The bifilar pancake coil at its resonant frequency
« Reply #1346 on: May 04, 2017, 02:39:16 AM »
You "Mile" from the sky or whatever you call yourself, please go away from this thread,
I'm not very much interested whit TBPC they are difficult to wind and they have weird properties,
but I'd like from time to time to see what is going on, and what is happening,
You dude are an obstacle, go away, find some school, educate yourself while you still can.
Stop  abusing this tread and Tesla's legacy and everyone else here.

If Nelson doesn't attack me for a sixth or seventh time then there will be no issue.  Do you get it?  I am not "abusing" Tesla's legacy.  We are just trying to talk about one of his patents to see if it is useful or not useful.

Offline ramset

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Re: The bifilar pancake coil at its resonant frequency
« Reply #1347 on: May 04, 2017, 03:15:41 AM »
Mh
I can't believe you just said Nelson and Attacks  in the same breathe

he is one of the nicest fellows ,\
apparently you don't perceive your taunts as taunts

"the sooner this is over the better"
"nothing to see hear this is silly [Pancake coils"
they don't even know what they're saying !!
Its good for the minnions to Exercise ...so I tolerate them and their childish endeavors...
Nelson needs help...Nelson this ...Nelson That

Naahh ...sell your silly Don Quixote "he's attacking me six or seven times " stuff somewhere else

your readers have eyes and can go back and read your Nelson Attacks  :o

Yeesh
its actually funny to write that...

he goes out of his way to be kind ,and most of his comments towards you are in response to dismissive comments from you , about what adults are doing here with their time and money ?

Moderators please remove this post too [as time permits








Offline MileHigh

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Re: The bifilar pancake coil at its resonant frequency
« Reply #1348 on: May 04, 2017, 03:25:09 AM »
Chet you can go tilt your hat at big pancake coils.

Offline citfta

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Re: The bifilar pancake coil at its resonant frequency
« Reply #1349 on: May 04, 2017, 03:34:25 AM »
MileHigh,

You and I have always had mutual respect for one another even when we disagreed.  But I have to say I am disappointed that you have taken such a hard stance against some guys that are trying to investigate an anomaly.  Logic says they will probably find some errors or whatever that will explain the anomaly.  But why not let them have some fun and do what they like to do.  Your constant negative comments have gotten very tiresome for anyone trying to follow this thread.  Please just relax and let the show go on.  When all is said and done you can then say "I told you so" or maybe not.

I also have to agree with Chet I have not seen Nelson attacking anyone.  He has only tried to defend himself.  I don't necessarily agree with all his ideas but I see no reason to not give him some slack while he pursues his ideas.

Respectfully,
Carroll