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Author Topic: The bifilar pancake coil at its resonant frequency  (Read 169612 times)

Offline web000x

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Re: The bifilar pancake coil at its resonant frequency
« Reply #1140 on: April 23, 2017, 03:51:30 PM »
Are you claiming OU or anything special when you light up your 100-watt 230-volt light bulb with your Tesla series bifilar pancake coil transformer?  Yes or no?

I am pretty sure that the answer is no.  Therefore the fact that you lit the bulb up is pointless, it does not demonstrate anything special about the Tesla series bifilar pancake coil.  Therefore my questions still stand.

What is the Tesla series bifilar pancake coil good for?  What can you do with it?

Don't get mad at me for asking the questions that we all should be asking.


Here's a novel idea... Let people do what they do.  Natural selection of innovation, or lack-there-of, at its finest...


You tell people they waste time looking at the bifilar coil but how much time do you waste telling them there is nothing to it?


I thought I was going to enjoy this thread but haven't been able to digest the whole thing due to the noise level.


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Offline MileHigh

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Re: The bifilar pancake coil at its resonant frequency
« Reply #1141 on: April 23, 2017, 04:23:21 PM »
Here's a novel idea... Let people do what they do.  Natural selection of innovation, or lack-there-of, at its finest...

You tell people they waste time looking at the bifilar coil but how much time do you waste telling them there is nothing to it?

I thought I was going to enjoy this thread but haven't been able to digest the whole thing due to the noise level.

Dave

I have a novel concept for you.  I am letting people do what they want to do.  In fact I have no control over what they want to do at all.  You are just playing the same old game where you are "not supposed" to say anything but positive things and if you have nothing positive to say, then don't say anything at all.  That's a sure fire recipe for stagnation and going nowhwere.  I am challenging people to do something that is real, and be realistic about what they are doing.  That is a good thing.  I am not telling people that they are wasting their time, you are just doing a negative spin, don't play straw man on me.

How many threads over the years do you think have been devoted to this Tesla bifilar pancake coil?  I am pretty sure that there have been dozens and dozens of them and I bet you they all petered out and went nowhere without any conclusion at all.

My contribution is not "noise," don't be ridiculous.  I have brought real value to this thread.

Is there any real use for a Tesla bifilar pancake coil?  If you think asking that question is wrong on a thread about the Tesla bifilar pancake coil then you are the one that is wrong.

Offline MileHigh

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Re: The bifilar pancake coil at its resonant frequency
« Reply #1142 on: April 23, 2017, 04:38:23 PM »

Hi Gyula,

yes i figured that the chunky caps and cliplead wiring would be the cause of the coupling on that distance.

I will do some extra tests to get the led lit as it was lit when using my earlier used pickup coil (coiled up wires).


Thanks,   Itsu

Great clip again Itsu.  I think you were asked to get both coils to resonate together in the hope that something special would happen.  In fact noting special would happen.  Both resonating coils would have higher oscillating currents and therefore the resistive power dissipation would increase for the system.  So if you achieved dual resonance, the power supplied to the system by your function generator would increase, and the corresponding resistive power being burnt off in each resonating coil would increase.

I can already hear some people moaning.  It's time to face reality again:  A self-resonating coil is being driven by an outside power source, in this case it is a function generator.  You clearly see an increase in the oscillating voltage across the coil when it is self-resonant.  What you don't clearly see is an increase in the oscillating current in the coil when it is self-resonant, and the corresponding increase in power dissipation.

In the context of what you are seeing in Itsu's clips, you have to understand and deal with what is really happening in terms of energy and power, and not just "get excited" because you are seeing something resonating.  Just understand and appreciate this valuable and legitimate information without calling me a "bad guy."

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Re: The bifilar pancake coil at its resonant frequency
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Offline nelsonrochaa

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Re: The bifilar pancake coil at its resonant frequency
« Reply #1143 on: April 23, 2017, 04:41:45 PM »
Are you claiming OU or anything special when you light up your 100-watt 230-volt light bulb with your Tesla series bifilar pancake coil transformer?  Yes or no?

I am pretty sure that the answer is no.  Therefore the fact that you lit the bulb up is pointless, it does not demonstrate anything special about the Tesla series bifilar pancake coil.  There are better ways to make a transformer.  Therefore my questions still stand.

What is the Tesla series bifilar pancake coil good for?  What can you do with it?

Don't get mad at me for asking the questions that all of us should be asking.


I not make claim’s of any important points of my particular work on this forum or in others forums .
 I don't need catch attention to promote my work , but i like give my own opinion too , and i know even you don't agree with me in some points, you could respect my own opinion like i respect your opinion even we could disagree .

I just give you a example how that pancake coils could be used to transfer electric power in a efficient way  without ferrite or iron core like normal transformer use, contrary to what you defend until now and i respect that .

That is based in my own and practical observation of course ,Precisely the opposite of what you do all time, because you are a pure “theorist”.
You could assume that my observation are wrong, and that could happen because i learn in my life that not all that glitters is gold , and that is the reason to my work be evaluated not only by me but by other more qualified people, and that is really fair don't you think ?
In that way you could assume clearly that i don't need your approval in relation to this matter.

You have your own opinion based in your particular knowledge , not in a practical way, but based in assumed  “evidences” like indisputable and irrefutable laws.

Did i claim OU in my observations ? No
If i achieve  OU will i publish that to you ? Of course not . What i could espect if i assume that ? Problems and more  problems :) nothing more .
I just say to you that is possible transfer with high efficiency electric power with bifilar pancake coil , and that is a advantage to a conventional transformer because don't need use iron ferrite in their core .

Why i should get mad with you ? You are a nice person even we have so high differences in how you are in life, and how we treat other persons .

Have a nice day MH

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Re: The bifilar pancake coil at its resonant frequency
« Reply #1144 on: April 23, 2017, 04:54:57 PM »
I have a novel concept for you.  I am letting people do what they want to do.  In fact I have no control over what they want to do at all.  You are just playing the same old game where you are "not supposed" to say anything but positive things and if you have nothing positive to say, then don't say anything at all.  That's a sure fire recipe for stagnation and going nowhwere.  I am challenging people to do something that is real, and be realistic about what they are doing.  That is a good thing.  I am not telling people that they are wasting their time, you are just doing a negative spin, don't play straw man on me.

How many threads over the years do you think have been devoted to this Tesla bifilar pancake coil?  I am pretty sure that there have been dozens and dozens of them and I bet you they all petered out and went nowhere without any conclusion at all.

My contribution is not "noise," don't be ridiculous.  I have brought real value to this thread.

Is there any real use for a Tesla bifilar pancake coil?  If you think asking that question is wrong on a thread about the Tesla bifilar pancake coil then you are the one that is wrong.


Well, seeing that the bifilar coil engenders a situation of mutual induction, mutual capacity,(MK) self induction, and self capacity,(LC) it would seem like it has all of the requirements for Dollard's four quadrant theory of electricity.   I feel the idea of further investigation should not be dismissed as I've seen things with my own eyes that show that the MK form of propagation does not behave the same as the LC.  Not to mention that I was privy to a few skype conversations with Erfinder. No matter how many times you tell us there is nothing to the bifilar coil, I will never forget my experiences and will continue investigation.


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Re: The bifilar pancake coil at its resonant frequency
« Reply #1144 on: April 23, 2017, 04:54:57 PM »
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Offline MileHigh

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Re: The bifilar pancake coil at its resonant frequency
« Reply #1145 on: April 23, 2017, 05:06:54 PM »
I just give you a example how that pancake coils could be used to transfer electric power in a efficient way  without ferrite or iron core like normal transformer use, contrary to what you defend until now and i respect that

Why i should get mad with you ? You are a nice person even we have so high differences in how you are in life, and how we treat other persons .

You could make an air-core transformer based on two adjacent solenoid coils for your experiment and they would easily outperform you air-core pancake coil transformer.  Therefore the air-core solenoid transformer would be more efficient than your air-core pancake coil transformer.

Do you understand why this would be the case?  The geometry of a pancake coil is no good for making an air-core transformer.

Don't try dropping your "how we treat other persons" comment on me.  Look at your own behaviour and how you treated me when you first started talking to me.  I am speaking honestly and openly about the pancake coil, and that does NOT make me a "bad guy."  This nonsense needs to stop.  Do you know the English expression, "Don't shoot the messenger?"  I am pretty sure you have the same expression or an equivalent expression in German.

We are still looking for a valid reason to use a Tesla bifilar pancake coil and so far there is none.  And saying that does not make me a bad guy.

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Re: The bifilar pancake coil at its resonant frequency
« Reply #1146 on: April 23, 2017, 05:20:34 PM »

Well, seeing that the bifilar coil engenders a situation of mutual induction, mutual capacity,(MK) self induction, and self capacity,(LC) it would seem like it has all of the requirements for Dollard's four quadrant theory of electricity.   I feel the idea of further investigation should not be dismissed as I've seen things with my own eyes that show that the MK form of propagation does not behave the same as the LC.  Not to mention that I was privy to a few skype conversations with Erfinder. No matter how many times you tell us there is nothing to the bifilar coil, I will never forget my experiences and will continue investigation.

Dave

Well I can't comment on anything Eric Dollard has to say.  What I can say is that "four quadrants" with respect to electrical concepts is actually common terminology.  You often talk about the four-quadrant output capabilities of an an amplifier, as an example.  We often deal with polar coordinates when discussing electronic circuits and four quadrants come into play there also.  Then there is the "S Plane" for transfer function analysis of a circuit and that also has four quadrants.

I am still waiting for Erfinder to say something of substance from my perspective.  Or call it "the establishment" perspective.  You know, like that thing called the "electronics industry" and if you take the wide definition of that term it is the largest industry on the face of the Earth.

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Re: The bifilar pancake coil at its resonant frequency
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Offline nelsonrochaa

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Re: The bifilar pancake coil at its resonant frequency
« Reply #1147 on: April 23, 2017, 05:37:28 PM »
“You could make an air-core transformer based on two adjacent solenoid coils for your experiment and they would easily outperform you air-core pancake coil transformer.  Therefore the air-core solenoid transformer would be more efficient than your air-core pancake coil transformer.”

Did you think i did not make that test already ?


“Do you understand why this would be the case?  The geometry of a pancake coil is no good for making an air-core transformer.”

That apply if you think in a Magnetic coupling not in a capacitive coupling way.


“Don't try dropping your "how we treat other persons" comment on me.  Look at your own behavior and how you treated me when you first started talking to me.  I am speaking honestly and openly about the pancake coil, and that does NOT make me a "bad guy."  This nonsense needs to stop.  Do you know the English expression, "Don't shoot the messenger?"  I am pretty sure you have the same expression or an equivalent expression in German.”

I never was disrespectful to you ,and i never talk that you are a bad person, myself believe that  people could change to better persons with time and with life experience , but sometimes you could be a bit hard with some judges that you made in relation to work of some persons , and that is not about the ability to judge, but with the ability to respect others , and sometimes you simple forget that . For sure you can not use your prominent intelligence to support such behaviors .

I will say again :

I respect you opinions and i’m not promote anything against’s you or anyone .
Just to clear , im not German i’m Portuguese even i need work in German most of the times because nature of my work , and i will never follow that expression “"Don't shoot the messenger"
because i enjoy have a good life and meet people   and i do not I waste energy on something I do not consider productive.

Enjoy the day

Nelson Rocha

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Re: The bifilar pancake coil at its resonant frequency
« Reply #1148 on: April 23, 2017, 05:54:34 PM »
I never was disrespectful to you ,and i never talk that you are a bad person, myself believe that  people could change to better persons with time and with life experience , but sometimes you could be a bit hard with some judges that you made in relation to work of some persons , and that is not about the ability to judge, but with the ability to respect others , and sometimes you simple forget that . For sure you can not use your prominent intelligence to support such behaviors .

You were incredibly disrespectful towards me, in fact you were abusive towards me.  You have to learn to speak the truth, even if English is not your first language.  No BS, speak the truth.

I do not "forget about respecting others."  I simply speak the truth about the technical issues that I am interested in and that gets twisted by people with fragile egos into me supposedly being a bad or insensitive person.

Stop trying all the time to be manipulative in your comments with all sorts of fake character assassination.  Just talk your technical stuff and leave it at that.  The truth:  You have not shown that Tesla series bifilar pancake coils have any practical uses or applications.  That is where we are right now in the technical discussion.  We are still trying to find an actual legitimate use for a Tesla series bifilar coil and so far there is none.  Speak the truth.

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Re: The bifilar pancake coil at its resonant frequency
« Reply #1149 on: April 23, 2017, 05:57:57 PM »
You were incredibly disrespectful towards me, in fact you were abusive towards me.  You have to learn to speak the truth, even if English is not your first language.  No BS, speak the truth.

I do not "forget about respecting others."  I simply speak the truth about the technical issues that I am interested in and that gets twisted by people with fragile egos into me supposedly being a bad or insensitive person.

Stop trying all the time to be manipulative in your comments with all sorts of fake character assassination.  Just talk your technical stuff and leave it at that.  The truth:  You have not shown that Tesla pancake coils have any practical uses or applications.  That is where we are right now in the technical discussion.  We are still trying to find an actual legitimate use for a Tesla series bifilar coil and so far there is none.  Speak the truth.

Did you think i'm incredibly disrespectful towards to you ?? Abusive ?? Really sorry if i make you feel in that way.
You already know the solution : ignore me . I think is available that option in this forum .
Have a nice day

Nelson Rocha

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Re: The bifilar pancake coil at its resonant frequency
« Reply #1150 on: April 23, 2017, 06:01:32 PM »
Close your eyes....hold your breath and say ahhhh, right when you are about to gasp for breath, choke on your flaccid perspective....  You need to wake up from that wet dream you're having about being the voice of the establishment, the poster child of the electronics industry....  I made it clear to you ages ago that I choose not to speak your language, deal with it, in a manner similar to how we deal with you not leaving us to our illusions. 

I rather enjoy deluding myself.....I'm starting to think you enjoy watching one delude oneself.....I mean....you know no one is listening to you, aside from the one or two straddling the fence....  Your perspective needs help...I recommend the blue pill, chased down by two large shots of the green fairy......

enough meat on the bone for you frequent flyer....not a question....

I do the Red Pill.  And you still haven't said a single damn thing of substance about this topic.  You don't even understand how a coil works.  Why don't you do that first, and then come back and join the discussion.

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Re: The bifilar pancake coil at its resonant frequency
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Re: The bifilar pancake coil at its resonant frequency
« Reply #1151 on: April 23, 2017, 06:02:46 PM »
Did you think i'm incredibly disrespectful towards to you ?? Abusive ?? Really sorry if i make you feel in that way.
You already know the solution : ignore me . I think is available that option in this forum .

You should take a Red Pill also.

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Re: The bifilar pancake coil at its resonant frequency
« Reply #1152 on: April 23, 2017, 07:36:16 PM »
You were incredibly disrespectful towards me, in fact you were abusive towards me.  You have to learn to speak the truth, even if English is not your first language.  No BS, speak the truth.

I do not "forget about respecting others."  I simply speak the truth about the technical issues that I am interested in and that gets twisted by people with fragile egos into me supposedly being a bad or insensitive person.

Stop trying all the time to be manipulative in your comments with all sorts of fake character assassination.  Just talk your technical stuff and leave it at that.  The truth:  You have not shown that Tesla series bifilar pancake coils have any practical uses or applications.  That is where we are right now in the technical discussion.  We are still trying to find an actual legitimate use for a Tesla series bifilar coil and so far there is none.  Speak the truth.

These guys actually do experiments and work with coils, of which you are only cut, past and link.
And whether they tell you all they know or not, you assume and publicly degrade their knowledge, basically compared to your cut paste and link role here. Respect that.

If you would like, as I have done very well in the past, I can cut, paste AND link you being disrespectful here in this thread alone. Respect that.

You probably have more posts here than anyone and not even a resistor or cheap dvm on the kitchen table. Nothing.  And you 'demand respect'. Oh how I cower when TK grabs your hand and helps you up on a pedestal made of wet mud. Ooo, some respect from someone. ::)

Screw your respect. You are a troll here. Most of what you post is just belittling others trying to do what this site is here for. Whether there is a positive end result at the end of the day, you will be here to declare the 'Move along people, nothing more to see here, The only one here that know anything is me', EVERY DAY!!!!  Every day. You have no right to belittle anyone that 'tries', and then demand respect after delivering disrespect.  You are delusional if you think most look at you as the authority. Just look at the number of people here in this thread alone have corrected your self proclaimed mistakes.  ::) Tk can hold your hand all he wants in order to 'give' you some appearance of high standing here, yet there are times he needs to correct you here n there.  Sure you know some basics. But purposely you pad with incorrect values and functions that are only to degrade the subject to make it look as bad as possible and follow your 'nothing there" narrative.  Again, like your plugging a value of 10ohm on a uh, pf tightly wound bifi that was clearly made of at the least 18ga wire, then saying it was a mistake, and then further proclaiming that you confused TKs resistance value with Conrads. Lol, yeah, I make it a point to remember the details of what you say, as you know very well.  ;) Your 10ohm plug resulted in 'your proCLAIMED' result of 110w loss in the resistance and laid it out as an AUTHORITY figure.  Respect??  You are like CNN 'fake news'.  Maybe they have a nice vaccine with pig virus infected Australian green monkey cells, aborted baby fluids, a sprinkle of aluminum and a touch of mercury for that. All actual CDC admitted ingredients for such.

Right now I am warning you. I had laid out the conditions of this topic area that there will be no bashing or talk that pushes negative views of the subject, degrading others for their efforts and knowledge, as it is all just garbage that fills the pages and nothing gets done.  All you have done here is say 'You cant do it', 'It cant be done', 'you are all delusional', 'Nothing more to learn here'  No wonder nobody gets anything accomplished when they have to deal with you all day, page after page.

Set up a bench and cut the crap. Radioshacks are closing left and right. All components 60% off. Soldering irons, circuit boards and wires, oh my.

Show the respect that you demand and maybe you will get some that you seem to desire but not getting apparently. ;)


Mags


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Re: The bifilar pancake coil at its resonant frequency
« Reply #1153 on: April 23, 2017, 08:11:41 PM »
Nope, I am not willfully demeaning or degrading anybody, that is all just a bunch of spin.  Sure, sometimes I have pushed back when I am pushed on, that's normal and I am only human.

The essence of this whole pitch is this:  I will question something or comment honestly on it's validity or usefulness and that is twisted into "demeaning or degrading" something or someone.

Well, it's NOT TRUE and you have to be a big enough person to see this, just like you have to be a big enough person to do an experiment and hear that it has no real value towards the goal you are trying to reach if that is indeed the case.

And doing that has real value and you know it.

Who says that I "demand respect" and the negative connotations associated with that?  The answer is YOU doing a spin job on me.  Don't you dare say I am a troll.  Do you remember your one full year of super trolling when you teamed up with Synchro1?  I am no troll, that is just another ridiculous gratuitous negative spin.

Who says that I am "belittling people" and the negative connotations associated with that?  One more time, the answer is YOU doing a spin job on me.

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But purposely you pad with incorrect values and functions that are only to degrade the subject to make it look as bad as possible

Did you not hear what I already told you?  I did not "purposely" pad anything.  That whole story is just more negative spin and more seriously, you succumbing to your obsessive fixation with me and falling back into your bad ways.  You know exactly what I am talking about.

What am I trying to accomplish?  Simple, I am asking if there is any practical use or value to the Tesla series bifilar pancake coil.  That's what I am really trying to discuss, SERIOUSLY.  So why can't you just discuss it and stop all of this nonsense?

Somebody says, "Look, I can light a light bulb with a Tesla series bifilar pancake coil."  And I say "So what, there are better ways to do that."  And you guys are going to get all butt-hurt for me saying something that is true?  But here is the issue that frustrates me:  NONE of you would have spoken the TRUTH like I did.  If you can't speak the TRUTH, then you've got nothing.

Talk about the Tesla series bifilar pancake coil.  That's what I am here for, to talk about that.

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Re: The bifilar pancake coil at its resonant frequency
« Reply #1154 on: April 23, 2017, 08:15:32 PM »
Are these supposed to be the hard questions that no one else is asking??

No, they are the hard questions that so far nobody is ANSWERING.

Since you guys are all so butt hurt that I speak the truth, I will wait a couple of weeks and just watch to see if anything tangible gets accomplished.  Will there be a valid answer to my legitimate questions?

 

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