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Re: The bifilar pancake coil at its resonant frequency
« Reply #105 on: March 26, 2017, 04:17:28 PM »

To me this says the bifilar coil, is dodging lenz law (which isnt a law, but a observation)



Do you have any experimental evidence to support this?  I am not challenging you in a malicious way, but rather I too am curious about this path...


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Re: The bifilar pancake coil at its resonant frequency
« Reply #106 on: March 26, 2017, 04:23:39 PM »
As I tried to explain here, the bifilar coils are really special - but not because their magnetic field of their windings compensates and zeroes itself at distance - because this is exactly what we can expect even in Maxwell's theory. It's due to fact, they compress and squeeze the vacuum fluctuations, not just reorient them - so that they radiate scalar A-field. This aspect they have in common with partnered bucking coils, the magnetic field of which also point toward each other. One aspect of this deform of vacuum is, it allows single-wire transfer in form of evanescent waves (which also have scalar component). Even more importantly, it allows the anapole field propagation, which is required for overunity and draining the energy from vacuum into account of variable speed of light and energy propagation. Because only the squeezing of vacuum fluctuations is what changes the permittivity and permeability of the vacuum.

Normally the vacuum fluctuations behave like the pieces of jelly: if we squeeze them, then they expand in another perpendicular direction - which is what initiates the simultaneous propagation of electrostatic and electromagnetic fields, as predicted by Maxwell theory. But this kind of deform is not what actually changes the properties of vacuum fluctuations, because the volume and concentration of vacuum fluctuations doesn't really change during it - they just change their orientation and shape.

You are hilarious! Cargo Cult "science"! You cannot provide any experimental evidence for your claims and assertions about "vacuum fluctuations". Or, you can do what some other people have done and "explain" ordinary RF and HV effects using jargon and jive and misinterpretations.

The only thing special about Tesla Bifilar coils is that they have increased inter-turn capacitance when compared to ordinary single-strand coils of the same amount of wire, as Tesla himself noted in his patent. This had the advantage, in Tesla's day, of reducing the amount of costly and hard to build external capacitors required to attain resonance at any particular frequency, as he noted in his patent. Today we have much improved capacitor technology so this factor isn't very important any more.

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Re: The bifilar pancake coil at its resonant frequency
« Reply #107 on: March 26, 2017, 04:27:35 PM »
There exist four types of bifilar wound coils:1.Parallel- wound, series connected;2.Parallel-wound, parallel connected;3.Counter-wound, series connected;4.Counter-wound, parallel connected. For me the bifilar coil is this one : hairpin bifilar. Such a coil would really have self-inductance suppressed.

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The only thing special about Tesla Bifilar coils is that they have increased inter-turn capacitance
This is actually bad thing for scalar wave physics and from this reason Tesla did use conical and bi-conical coils.

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Re: The bifilar pancake coil at its resonant frequency
« Reply #108 on: March 26, 2017, 05:31:10 PM »

Do you have any experimental evidence to support this?  I am not challenging you in a malicious way, but rather I too am curious about this path...

Thanks,


Dave
So far,  no i haven't. its my interpretation of what tesla states in his patent 512340. this triggered my interest in the bifilar pancake coil. and after i saw the resonant frequency voltage rise,  i was hooked.

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Re: The bifilar pancake coil at its resonant frequency
« Reply #109 on: March 26, 2017, 05:39:00 PM »
There exist four types of bifilar wound coils:1.Parallel- wound, series connected;2.Parallel-wound, parallel connected;3.Counter-wound, series connected;4.Counter-wound, parallel connected. For me the bifilar coil is this one : hairpin bifilar. Such a coil would really have self-inductance suppressed.
This is actually bad thing for scalar wave physics and from this reason Tesla did use conical and bi-conical coils.
indeed. long ago my physics teacher told me you can power a coil,  but without a magnetic field,  and no heat production. but where does the energy go? very interesting. The caduceus coil does have some iinteresting properties, when working with dielectricity. I use them in series between the resonant coil an the earth connection, to get more voltage rise.

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Re: The bifilar pancake coil at its resonant frequency
« Reply #110 on: March 26, 2017, 05:48:27 PM »
As I tried to explain here, the bifilar coils are really special - but not because their magnetic field of their windings compensates and zeroes itself at distance - because this is exactly what we can expect even in Maxwell's theory. It's due to fact, they compress and squeeze the vacuum fluctuations, not just reorient them - so that they radiate scalar A-field. This aspect they have in common with partnered bucking coils, the magnetic field of which also point toward each other. One aspect of this deform of vacuum is, it allows single-wire transfer in form of evanescent waves (which also have scalar component). Even more importantly, it allows the anapole field propagation, which is required for overunity and draining the energy from vacuum into account of variable speed of light and energy propagation. Because only the squeezing of vacuum fluctuations is what changes the permittivity and permeability of the vacuum.

Normally the vacuum fluctuations behave like the pieces of jelly: if we squeeze them, then they expand in another perpendicular direction - which is what initiates the simultaneous propagation of electrostatic and electromagnetic fields, as predicted by Maxwell theory. But this kind of deform is not what actually changes the properties of vacuum fluctuations, because the volume and concentration of vacuum fluctuations doesn't really change during it - they just change their orientation and shape.
I have to look up what you are talking about, it sure sounds interesting.
for me it it clear that compression / implosion of the ether is important, thats why i started using 3 bifilar pancake coils (tesla style). hooked the  top and bottom in series,  so the counter winding fields would compress in between them.  my 3rd coil in the middle was in the compression zone, to collect.
after a while i reversed the process. pulsing the middle coil,  and collecting from the top (north)  of the series coils.

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Re: The bifilar pancake coil at its resonant frequency
« Reply #111 on: March 26, 2017, 06:25:54 PM »
The experiments are indeed important - but you should have at least clue, what you should expect. The bifilar coils should by used like the collectors of energy - but not like the driving/inducer coils, where the classical coils must be used instead. This is because in bifilar coil the magnetic flux gets compressed BETWEEN wires of their windings, not OUTSIDE them - so it has no meaning to place another coil there.

Actually many overunity devices, like the Steven Mark's TPU or classical MEG of Thomas Bearden are constructed in similar way: they're composed of pair partnered/bucking coils running in opposite polarity and they collect the surplus of energy from central part, where mutual collision of their magnetic fields/i.e the compression of vacuum fluctuations occurs. Because the excessive energy is scalar, the bifilar coils or partnered coils are used for it. This is essentially a scalar wave transformer running on changes of size of ferromagnetic domains instead of their orientation, like normal transformers. Even the seemingly unrelated devices like the generator of Infinity SAV Team work in this way. This construction is apparently derived from much older Bedini's bucking field energizer: its rotor moves neodymium magnets around ferromagnetic cores of bifilar coils in stator and the output energy is drained from stator coils.

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Re: The bifilar pancake coil at its resonant frequency
« Reply #112 on: March 26, 2017, 07:00:27 PM »
The experiments are important, but you should always have at least clue, what is going on. The bifilar coils should by used like the collectors of energy - but not like the inducer coils, where the classical coils must be used instead.

Actually many overunity devices, like the Steven Mark's TPU or classical MEG of Thomas Bearden are constructed in similar way: they're composed of pair partnered/bucking coils running in opposite polarity and they collect the surplus of energy from central part, where mutual collision of their magnetic fields/i.e the compression of vacuum fluctuations occurs. Because the excessive energy is scalar, the bifilar coils or partnered coils are used for it. This is essentially a scalar wave transformer running on changes of size of ferromagnetic domains instead of their orientation, like normal transformers. Even the seemingly unrelated devices like the generator of Infinity SAV Team work in this way. This construction is apparently derived from much older Bedini's bucking field energizer: its rotor moves neodymium magnets around ferromagnetic cores of bifilar coils in stator and the output energy is drained from stator coils.
Very interesting, Related to this is this video:
https://youtu.be/WkVC7lqc--0
What you see is a ferro cell, it is a ferrofluid in a penetrating oil, with a ring of lights surrounding it. It perfectly show the magnetic vortexes.

This video shows the new vortex created, when magnets are held close together. The strongest vortex that appears is in repulsion. It clearly shows 3 poles. Three!   

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Re: The bifilar pancake coil at its resonant frequency
« Reply #113 on: March 26, 2017, 07:10:53 PM »
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It clearly shows 3 poles. Three!
The black spots at your video aren't poles strictly speaking - just areas, where the magnetic fields of two magnets compensate mutually. The scalar A-field is weak and it cannot be demonstrated in this way, as the places where two or more magnetic field compensate mutually wouldn't differ visually from places of plain absence of magnetic field in your device. But if you would look at the scalar field with microscope, you could see, that the particles are moving faster there (Brownian noise gets more intensive there).

How the scalar field can be proven and studied after then? The very scientific way is Juday-White warp field interferometer, which detects the minute changes in speed of light between bucking coils or magnets in repulsive arrangement. But these changes are very minute and from practical perspective even useless, as we are more interested about motion of charged particles, like the electrons in electrical circuits. The compressed vacuum exhibits time compression and these particles are therefore propagate faster and their thermal noise gets enhanced. And this is actually what can be already measured with semiconductor junction of small area (pin-diode), so that this noise cannot get averaged so easily. Actually we can see, that the diode is serving like the weak source of power between magnets, i.e. like the electrosmog harvester.

Another method is dynamic and it utilizes the Barkhaussen noise. The increased scalar noise of vacuum decreases the activation energy for reorientation of magnetic domains, so that less Barkhaussen noise is actually detected, when the magnetization of ferromagnet is changing regularly.

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Re: The bifilar pancake coil at its resonant frequency
« Reply #114 on: March 26, 2017, 08:16:20 PM »
As I tried to explain here, the bifilar coils are really special - but not because their magnetic field of their windings compensates and zeroes itself at distance - because this is exactly what we can expect even in Maxwell's theory. It's due to fact, they compress and squeeze the vacuum fluctuations, not just reorient them - so that they radiate scalar A-field. This aspect they have in common with partnered bucking coils, the magnetic field of which also point toward each other. One aspect of this deform of vacuum is, it allows single-wire transfer in form of evanescent waves (which also have scalar component). Even more importantly, it allows the anapole field propagation, which is required for overunity and draining the energy from vacuum into account of variable speed of light and energy propagation. Because only the squeezing of vacuum fluctuations is what changes the permittivity and permeability of the vacuum.

Normally the vacuum fluctuations behave like the pieces of jelly: if we squeeze them, then they expand in another perpendicular direction - which is what initiates the simultaneous propagation of electrostatic and electromagnetic fields, as predicted by Maxwell theory. But this kind of deform is not what actually changes the properties of vacuum fluctuations, because the volume and concentration of vacuum fluctuations doesn't really change during it - they just change their orientation and shape.

Well, the compass needles don't move because they are in a high-frequency AC magnetic field.  So the "shaking" of the compass needles is so fast that the needles don't respond.  In fancy terms the compass needle is a low-pass mechanical filter that will not respond to the high-frequency AC torque induced on it by the high-frequency AC magnetic field.  The same principle will apply to any type of coil, it does not have to be a pancake coil.  There is nothing remarkable demonstrated in the clip.

As far as pancake coils go, we know that each loop of the coil will generate a doughnut-shaped toroidal magnetic field.  The larger the loop, the larger the dimensions of the toroidal magnetic field.  We also know that for any point in space around the coil, you can do simple vector addition (magnitude and direction) for the magnetic vector supplied by each of the toroidal magnetic fields which come from each of the wire loops.  Depending on what point in space you are considering, there will sometimes be a considerable amount of magnetic vector subtraction (magnetic field self-cancellation).  Points that are farther away from the pancake coil will see mostly magnetic vector addition.  Whenever you have magnetic vector subtraction, that represents a lowering of the inductance of the coil because the magnetic fields are cancelling each other out.

Here is a nice little clip showing the vector addition and vector subtraction of the magnetic field for the case of two parallel lengths of wire:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C0FbuTBd26s

Sorry to tell you this, but this simple explanation trumps your word salad of vacuum fluctuations, the scalar A field, and anapole field propagation.

Who would have thought, eh?  A pancake coil is ultimately just a coil, a length of wire that is in a certain shape that has the property of inductance.  I mean you could take a length of wire and bunch it all up in your hands so that it becomes a random compressed mangled mess of wire and it would still have a measurable inductance and still obey the fundamental magnetic field property of vector addition.  You could study this random bunched up mess of wire on your bench and measure its inductance.  Heck, you could even carefully wrap some wire around a plastic toroid that you get from a children's toy and create what's called a "Rodin coil."  This "Rodin coil" would simply exhibit the property of inductance no different from a random mangled bunch of wire.

Isn't science and rational thought wonderful?

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Re: The bifilar pancake coil at its resonant frequency
« Reply #115 on: March 26, 2017, 08:52:57 PM »
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Sorry to tell you this, but this simple explanation trumps your word salad of vacuum fluctuations, the scalar A field, and anapole field propagation.
LOL, this is like to oppose the aether existence with special relativity or the overunity with energy conservation law. Of course, that according to special relativity the aether is impossible or according to energy conservation law the overunity is impossible. We all know about it very well. But why are you visiting this forum (until you're not governmental or fossil fuel lobby agent, indeed)? Because you're believing, that the overunity is still somehow possible. And until it's possible, then the energy conservation law (and probably also many others, the derivation of which relies on energy balance) must get broken in this way or another.. There is no other way, how to achieve it.

One of such laws is the vector calculus (rules for addition and multiplication of vectors) under conditions, when the vacuum density (speed of energy propagation) changes locally in it from place to place. The operations with vectors are additive only in perfectly homogeneous space-time or at distances, at which its fluctuations compensate mutually. Once the vacuum is elastic (which must be, or the energy and light wouldn't propagate through it in waves), then it also must be compressible. And once it is compressible so that the speed of energy propagation changes from place to place or temporarily, then the laws for vector additions simply don't apply anymore. Or better to say, these laws still apply, but the additional scalar dimension for vector addition must be considered there.

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Re: The bifilar pancake coil at its resonant frequency
« Reply #116 on: March 26, 2017, 09:02:54 PM »
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A pancake coil is ultimately just a coil, a length of wire that is in a certain shape that has the property of inductance.
A simple experiment disproves it - the Aharamov-Bohm experiment. In this experiment the path of charged particles gets affected, even when the magnetic field cannot affect them. The actual path of particles can be traced with double slit and the magnetic field of coil can switch it even at the case, when this coil gets very long. Which is indeed strange, because for long solenoid all fields should get concentrated inside it in similar way, like the magnetic field of toroidal coil - just because of vector calculus. The explanation therefore is, the coil generates additional A-field, which the charged particles are also sensitive on - and this field gets generated even outside it where it affects the vector operations. When the magnetic field of two or more coils get compensated, this A-field component remains, so that the vector operations don't apply there anymore - despite the B-field component of magnetic field is already zero.


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Re: The bifilar pancake coil at its resonant frequency
« Reply #117 on: March 26, 2017, 09:26:28 PM »
Whoops!  Last time I looked, we aren't the size of quantum particles and we live on a scale of meters.  We don't exist at the sub-Angstrom level.  That messy random bunch of wire sitting on your bench is a perfectly valid inductor and the vector addition of the magnetic fields holds.

We are in Kansas, we are not microbes dancing on the head of a pin in a seamstress's drawer in Whoville.

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Re: The bifilar pancake coil at its resonant frequency
« Reply #118 on: March 26, 2017, 09:31:43 PM »
@Zephir:
I tried opposing fields, north north, but It takes a lot of power to do so, my pulse driver became hot.
Also, I'm inspired by nature, and so far nature doesnt show me opposing fields.
For me it's unnatural, so I dropped the subject (for now).

I rather aim for a resonant system, that once it is vibrating in its resonant frequency, it creates energy.

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Re: The bifilar pancake coil at its resonant frequency
« Reply #119 on: March 26, 2017, 09:42:44 PM »
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We don't exist at the sub-Angstrom level
The Aharamov-Bohm experiment works for macroscopic slits - it can be observed with naked eye. We aren't required to be of size of molecules for still being able to utilize the energy of chemical reactions - well, and the overunity phenomena are similar. I of course respect, that you don't believe in overunity at all - but after then I don't understand, what you're looking for here. The haters of cats have no reason to visit the forums about cats and forum about overunity is similar case.

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I rather aim for a resonant system, that once it is vibrating in its resonant frequency, it creates energy
But why the plain resonance should create it? The resonance is very classical effect which works even with mechanical waves and I don't see any logic for it. The opposing fields exist in every pair of magnets in repulsive arrangement - I don't see any reason why their evidence should be doubted or why they should make some pulse driver hot - it's stationary effect.

 

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