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Solid States Devices => solid state devices => Topic started by: teslonian on March 17, 2017, 11:13:37 PM
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Not sure what to make of this. The guy clearly shows everything in plain view.
https://youtu.be/_gIuB-f-VnU
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Why in God's name does he have the two positives of the DC2DC converter connected
together when the negatives are already connected together?
If someone would like to spend a moment drawing a schematic of this guy's rats nest
of wires, I think you will see pretty quickly the error of his ways.
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Why I don't know, perhaps you should ask the guy yourself. He mentions in the video that the negatives of both the input and output are already connected internally and so there is no need for an extra negative connection.
It appears that he has then connected the output positive to the input positive in order to create a feed back loop within the circuit in an attempt to charge the DC power supply he's got there which appears to be a mains wall adapter of what looks like 12V.
The meter is in between the positive output and the positive input to show power going back to the source. Looks simple enough.
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That's a common dc-dc converter you can buy that exact one off eBay for less than $5.00 which includes shipping. Bought one as I have several and use them for a variety of things. Will test but not sure the test shown is valid.
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Hi Folks,
I copied and edited a schematic of the step up DC/DC converter shown in the video, here is the data sheet:
http://www.ti.com/lit/ds/symlink/lm2587.pdf (http://www.ti.com/lit/ds/symlink/lm2587.pdf) and I attached the drawing below. I believe the full set up youtuber 'debunkified' showed in his video is correctly represented in my attached schematic.
In the schematic I indicated the two Ampermeters he used in the negative rail of the step up converter and the one used in the loop back wire between the positive input and positive output. I wrote the voltage levels at the input and at the output he measured with digital voltmeters when the two currents were also measured but I did not use voltmeter symbols.
Here are some of my comments I included also to the Comment section under the video:
Practically the "output" power may be considered as follows: the voltage difference between the output-input of the step up converter is 12.31V-12.28V= 0.03V so the power dissipated mainly in the inner circuit (15uH coil and the diode) and in the inner resistance of the Ampermeter is approximately 0.03V*0.692A=0.02W
Notice that this dissipated power is higher for the analog Ampermeter case where he measured the data at the end of the video as follows: Vin=12.28V Vout=12.51V Iin=19.2mA Iout=200mA so the dissipation is 0.23V*0.2A=0.046W
It seems to me from these measured data that the inner resistance of the Ampermeter in the loop back circuit mainly determines the current, together with the amplitude level of the adjustable output voltage of course. (the used Analog ammeter may have slightly higher inner resistance in the 250mA range than the used digital meter in the mA range).
And he probably experienced a narrow range within which the so called "output" current is higher than the input current into the negative rail of the step up converter. Suppose he would use, say, a 10 Ohm or 22 Ohm resistor in series with the "output" Ampermeter, and say he would set 0.5 to 1V input-output voltage difference, then the overall dissipation in this resistor would probably be higher than that of the inner circuit dissipation I referred to earlier. I am just trying to take out real output power with this pondering. Question is how the input current to the negative rail of the converter would change then.
My overall conclusion is that this circuit does not produce extra output versus the input, unfortunately. I say this as per my personal impression by analyzing the circuit and the measured and presented data on it.
Gyula
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Hi Gyula, Thanks for commenting and showing the circuit on this. I think you are right. But for less than $5 to buy this little converter which I have other uses for I'll give it a test and will try it with a battery. Obviously if it is overunity as much as debunkified says it would self charge a battery. I won't hold my breath for that to happen but it's an easy test. Efficiency claimed in some ads for this list a maximum of 92% which of course is a far short of 1800+ %.
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This guy from Ukraine built this device. The author explains:
Many argue that it is impossible to extract energy from the magnetic field. He does not do the work. I do not agree with this, because I was practically able to confirm the opposite (through experiments). If the magnet does not perform visible work, this does not mean that it does not have the potential for energy that can be extracted with the right approach. Therefore, I definitely determined that the influence of other forces (electrical waves, light, radiation, etc.) does not play a role in the experiments, which confirms the generation of energy from the magnet.
The dependence of the force of the magnet on the generated energy is clearly seen.
The spiral is the main component of the generator, which is created by the alloy of many elements. The electrical circuit is a converter.
By experiments, the dependence of the size of the magnet, its force (magnetic flux, permeability, intensity and induction) on the amount of energy produced is calculated.
Every year the generator loses 2% of capacity, which will lead to a loss of 50% in 25 years.
However, even after 50 years, the power will not fall to zero, because The output will come from the Earth's magnetic field (though not essential).
In the future, the task is to select the most optimal composition of the spiral and the characteristics of the magnet, which would increase the life of several times.
https://youtu.be/AiBNnDSXHbM
https://youtu.be/QFg7W9fVkgE
https://youtu.be/MvZrK0e4c_U
https://youtu.be/3gIGMJL0pIA
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I had dealt with this guy before on some of his vids. Naturally if the output of the circuit is a voltage just above the input voltage, the output can supplement the input some, showing a lower input from the input. So is it just lowering the input compared to idle currents?
He does it all for the ad money.
Mags
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This guy from Ukraine built this device. The author explains:https://youtu.be/AiBNnDSXHbM
https://youtu.be/QFg7W9fVkgE (https://youtu.be/QFg7W9fVkgE)
https://youtu.be/MvZrK0e4c_U (https://youtu.be/MvZrK0e4c_U)
https://youtu.be/3gIGMJL0pIA (https://youtu.be/3gIGMJL0pIA)
Hello,
Are you aware of a forum where he disclosed the secret recipe for the exceptional material 'mixture' ? I figure it is the billion dollar question... 8) if the setup shown is not a fake.
Thanks
Gyula
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I had dealt with this guy before on some of his vids. Naturally if the output of the circuit is a voltage just above the input voltage, the output can supplement the input some, showing a lower input from the input. So is it just lowering the input compared to idle currents?
He does it all for the ad money.
Mags
Oh, for the ad money? I have not thought of it yet... in his case at least, thanks.
Well, the amplitude of the feedback current influences the input current but I think the relationship is such that allowing higher feedback current increases, while a lower feedback current decreases the input current, I deduce this from his DMM and from his analog amper meter measurement data (see my reply #4).
I also commented last year two of his videos, one of them was this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Po_c3qnR088 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Po_c3qnR088) where he experienced output power via a power MOSFET which was not fed with a battery or any power supply but its gate-source was pulsed from an 555 timer. So there was no anomaly.
Gyula
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Oh, for the ad money? I have not thought of it yet... in his case at least, thanks.
Well, the amplitude of the feedback current influences the input current but I think the relationship is such that allowing higher feedback current increases, while a lower feedback current decreases the input current, I deduce this from his DMM and from his analog amper meter measurement data (see my reply #4).
I also commented last year two of his videos, one of them was this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Po_c3qnR088 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Po_c3qnR088) where he experienced output power via a power MOSFET which was not fed with a battery or any power supply but its gate-source was pulsed from an 555 timer. So there was no anomaly.
Gyula
Hey Gyula
Like those guys that show 'Free Energy" from a 6 turn coil and a hard drive magnet. Check them all out. I went looking around and some show shy, silent vids as in no talking or very little, to Big Shew guys. But from what people like us can see is they are peddling fake hope to the ones that dont know while getting paid for the ads. If they come up with something that looks very simple with surprising or even exciting results, with hidden battery, what ever, 'free energy' as a search most likely has a very high traffic rate. I was surprised by how many are peddling very similar stuff with some variation of the same. And every one with paying ads.
I have a neat lil component for my car called an Jacobs Acuvolt. It is a step up voltage regulator that can be set above 16v, but i run mine at bout 15.9v ;D My windows go up like new, my headlights are not the typical brownish hue, but closr to white, same bulb. Everything runs better. Fuel pump, cooling fan, ignition, wipers, the works. It can strictly regulate 50a cont 100a pk out. Add 5 farads of capacitance 'after' the output and peak is 200a. 15 yrs and still works great.
So back some years ago I tried to see if it would self power, using a 1F 20v car audio cap and a 12v starting source. When the battery is removed it all dies out quickly.
Not saying that the tests were conclusive on the possibilities of the idea, only to the extent of simple testing. But this guys seems to pour free energy all over his projects.
Like this guy, 9.5mil views. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yoCBORXzOqU
Here is another of his at 4.2mil views. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f0fwjY6_-1M
Like Tech Torr. 10 vids. overall close to 4mil views.
Now if you had that channel, would there be money in it that was worth the fake effort? I dunno.
Mags
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Hello,
Are you aware of a forum where he disclosed the secret recipe for the exceptional material 'mixture' ? I figure it is the billion dollar question... 8) if the setup shown is not a fake.
Thanks
Gyula
This guy or group of people, according to the author in posts in Russian-speaking forums, that the invention is in the stage of obtaining a patent. True or not, I do not know. Here is his Email address blue.magic.device@gmail.com
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Like Tech Torr. 10 vids. overall close to 4mil views
It would generate about $1,000 (https://www.quora.com/How-much-money-do-people-make-from-YouTube-videos-with-1-million-views) of pure income - which is less than average one month salary in my country (central Europe). You'll also have to moderate and answer their discussion threads for to feed an interest about them, many people already use ad blockers - so it's definitely not worth the effort for doing 10 videos in Europe - but maybe the YouTubers from developing countries could get some mild profit from it.
What I know (https://www.reddit.com/r/Physics_AWT/comments/5a8yat/environmental_electrosmog_harvester_feeding_led) is, TechTorr reuploaded some of his videos, because they revealed batteries stuffed into his multimeter (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vUWvOWkPgK0) accidentally - so I considered him a click-bait troll in general. But some other people already demonstrated similar concept (https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCEqEaPMEJSi3Zo-UIMDnzNA) - so I'm still undecided regarding the physical principle used. These naive demonstrations may also induce the interest about overunity research for new people, so I wouldn't condemn them as a lump sum. Now we are in the stage, when even the negative publicity is still a publicity, but I feel it's time to rethink and reorganize the cooperation at the forums like this one.
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This guy or group of people, according to the author in posts in Russian-speaking forums, that the invention is in the stage of obtaining a patent. True or not, I do not know. Here is his Email address blue.magic.device@gmail.com
Hi Serge,
Thanks for the info.
Gyula
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Now if you had that channel, would there be money in it that was worth the fake effort? I dunno.
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Hi Mags,
Well, I would not do it but there will always be people around who would do it just for the shake of free money income or for any other reason.
Gyula
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It's interesting, when going back through this guy's video the very first one he made with the red scooter wheel surrounded by some coils has over 2,000,000 views yet is the only one without a single ad on it. I think that's a pretty big statement if you ask me.
I think this guy is honestly just showing us different things is all.
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I got that exact same module in the mail recently and did tests on it. Firstly I don't see how measuring the current across the input positive and output positive does anything except maybe show the current draw by the circuit or by the meter across the small voltage difference. Output current should be measured across the output across a resistor shouldn't it? I can see why he had the output voltage adjusted to only a couple millivolts higher than input. When I measure the way he did the current jumped all over at first from 200 ma to about 800 ma where it settled. But when I changed the output voltage up to about 2.5 volts over input volts it was seeing about 4000 ma across the positives. Here's some numbers for you including some measured across a 15 Ohm 15 watt resistor across the output:
All measurements taken with Fluke 77 and 87 meters:
12.30 V in
12.35 V out
200 to around 800 ma across the two positives
5 mv across the two positives
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12.30 V in
14.78 V out
2.472 V across the two positives
4.072 Amps across the two positives
Current in jumps to 0.63 amps (630 ma) when measuring the current across the two positives
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Now measuring a better way with a 15 Ohm resistor across the output:
V drops to 10.57 in
current is 960 ma in
or 10.1472 watts IN
V output is 11.41
current out is 780 ma
or 8.998 watts OUT
efficiency = 87.7%
I saw no reason to short across the positives when measuring with a resistor across the output since the negatives are connected internally and if you connect the positives together you are essentially (totally) bypassing the voltage converter module.
No OU here.
My module and resistor shown - same exact module as in the video:
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Hi e2matrix,
I forgot to return to this thread when you posted the above mail.
Thank you for sharing your test results, the results clearly reflect normal behaviour for the circuit, the ou claim in the youtuber video is not correct, unfortunately (and there is no sense to claim output current considered between positive output and positive input rails).
I had written my opinion to him in the Comment sections too back then but no answer to those particular comments since then. Well, no problem. :P
Gyula
I saw no reason to short across the positives when measuring with a resistor across the output since the negatives are connected internally and if you connect the positives together you are essentially (totally) bypassing the voltage converter module.
No OU here.
My module and resistor shown - same exact module as in the video: