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Title: A Simple Question About TPU Replication Attempts
Post by: Eighthman on March 10, 2017, 06:17:11 PM
I scanned through as many pages as I can in regard to TPU replication attempts.  The one thing I don't see is any attempt to simply switch a field in sequence around the 4 quadrants of a coil.
Think of it like squeezing a toothpaste tube, first at the bottom, then further up, then in the middle and finally near the top. Now, visualize doing this around a circle, neatly , one pie-quarter at a time.


You brave guys have tested a lot with regard to different harmonics and frequencies and differing pulse widths but I can't find this simple sort of test completed.


I apologize if I somehow missed this but the attempts I observe (here and elsewhere) seem to pursue other motions and notions.
Title: Re: A Simple Question About TPU Replication Attempts
Post by: Jeg on March 11, 2017, 02:38:48 PM
I scanned through as many pages as I can in regard to TPU replication attempts.  The one thing I don't see is any attempt to simply switch a field in sequence around the 4 quadrants of a coil.
Think of it like squeezing a toothpaste tube, first at the bottom, then further up, then in the middle and finally near the top. Now, visualize doing this around a circle, neatly , one pie-quarter at a time.


You brave guys have tested a lot with regard to different harmonics and frequencies and differing pulse widths but I can't find this simple sort of test completed.


I apologize if I somehow missed this but the attempts I observe (here and elsewhere) seem to pursue other motions and notions.

Hey Eightman ;)
Some people have already been there like at the below link. But what makes you think that this by itself will give an increased output in terms of energy?

http://underservice.org/index.php?topic=238.0
 
Title: Re: A Simple Question About TPU Replication Attempts
Post by: Eighthman on March 11, 2017, 03:51:49 PM
Thanks for getting back to me.  I read thru the pages you provided.  It seems that Akula had a promising design. Some guy named Vincent claims it is fake and then the thread goes off into discussing different designs, particularly two coil pulsing - so I don't know what to think about it.  It looks like Akula did not have an inner coil, forming a circle with coils at the 4 quadrants, so it looks pretty close to what I think but not all the way.


My reasoning is this:


1) the Mark device was reported to have a gyroscopic feel, so rotation of fields must be involved, as there was no spinning part in the device. I can't fully explain how fields could produce inertia but as with my other posts, nobody can really explain why magnetic fields don't act as a gyroscope in normal use anyway. 


2)  Durbin said it involved fields switched in quadrature.  The spinning compass needle also makes the field movement explicit - otherwise it wouldn't spin.


3) There is a belief that Marks copied the Tesla invention in which 4 coils surround a larger circular coil. 


4) Finally - and this is a huge intuitive leap - I believe Mark may have found an electromagnetic way to duplicate unbalanced centrifugal movement using coils.  I have been looking for a way to imitate the Linevich device using fields instead of complicated mechanical drives. I think it is this unbalanced inertial movement that may be the key to free energy as shown in a number of devices, including Schauberger.


I can clarify further if anything I said isn't intelligible.
Title: Re: A Simple Question About TPU Replication Attempts
Post by: forest on March 11, 2017, 04:26:17 PM
Good,I believe this is the right path  ;)   Magnetic field is the source of energy !
Title: Re: A Simple Question About TPU Replication Attempts
Post by: Eighthman on March 11, 2017, 05:27:54 PM
I forgot to add the Bob Boyce claims.  He uses some sort of ferrite core with a main winding, with three neatly spaced  switched coils on top.  He's the only person I know of to make a device similar to Mark's to also claim extreme or amazing effects.
Title: Re: A Simple Question About TPU Replication Attempts
Post by: Jeg on March 11, 2017, 06:05:37 PM
For sure there is an interest in rotating magnetic fields. For example their rotation on capacitor plates, is accompanied with the movement of displacement current across the plates. This direction looks more real to me. SEG (John Searle) is one more example presenting the same. 


 
Title: Re: A Simple Question About TPU Replication Attempts
Post by: Eighthman on March 11, 2017, 06:40:32 PM
I've heard about both things but never found a good analysis about magnetic fields within a capacitor or experiments that show it.  I do recall that there is a book called 'Shape Power' that claimed to put a coil in between two capacitor plates. I wonder if anyone replicated it and got any excess energy.


I'm inspired by the thought that free energy may be hiding from us within rotational inertia, whether mechanical or fields. I have enjoyed reading about this idea from the writings of Linevich and Kanarev.  It's difficult for me partly because I have to visualize what they are saying and the translations from Russian can be hard for me to understand.  If I can understand completely, I would like to post something vigorous for everyone to debate.
Title: Re: A Simple Question About TPU Replication Attempts
Post by: forest on March 11, 2017, 08:05:07 PM
Yep.Whenever you have inertia you have Newton III law and reaction. The more mass you rotate the more counter-force you need to fight for.But that mass is critical because all generators works on "chain reaction" ;-)
Title: Re: A Simple Question About TPU Replication Attempts
Post by: Eighthman on March 11, 2017, 10:55:19 PM
file:///home/chronos/u-48411492d0bf977a9b1d1460d85dbdd0a5a04abc/Downloads/My%20reexplanation%20(1).pdf


The above is Linevich's work.  It's worth a careful read. Once you understand what he experimented with, you may be tempted to try to conceive of an easier way to do it, possibly with fields. 
Title: Re: A Simple Question About TPU Replication Attempts
Post by: Dog-One on March 12, 2017, 12:55:35 AM
One may also want to look at Otis Carr's Utron.

He explicitly states that forces act in straight lines, but motion is always curved.  Forces create motion and motion create forces.

I have to think there is something staring us in the face with those words we need to comprehend.

Title: Re: A Simple Question About TPU Replication Attempts
Post by: Eighthman on March 12, 2017, 02:10:42 AM
Did anyone replicate the Ultron claims? Or any of Carr's work?  I haven't delved into his work very much but it looks interesting.


I agree that there is something important here that is waiting for some clever person to figure it out.  I will say this: I think the Aspden Effect suggests that free energy exists and can be engineered into use. I think this was missed by Aspden himself and others.
Title: Re: A Simple Question About TPU Replication Attempts
Post by: FatBird on March 15, 2017, 02:31:19 PM
I have examined SM's TPU photos up close through the years, & I know how his TPUs work.
The principal is very SIMPLE.  The core in the center is a plain ole 2 coil TRANSFORMER.
There are 2 coils in the TPU Circumference that attach to the transformer with 1 cap in Series with each coil.
Think of it as the Coils electrically Bouncing Back & Forth (at high speed) on the Core Transformer as it's running.
That's why it produces a Rotating Magnetic Field!

There is a 3rd Coil wound around the TPU circumference he called a Collector Coil, which is the Output Power.

That's it.  BUT SM said "If even a tiny little thing is even a Tiny Bit Off, it WON'T work!

To make a working unit, will take a LOT of patience trying out different coil & cap combinations.
Just trying to figure out what kind of transformer core he used can take a LOT of time & effort!

The bottom photo is a close up Core photo from his 17 inch TPU.

I gave up trying years ago.  Maybe somebody else can make it work?

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Title: Re: A Simple Question About TPU Replication Attempts
Post by: FatBird on March 15, 2017, 09:36:07 PM
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Title: Re: A Simple Question About TPU Replication Attempts
Post by: Turbo on March 16, 2017, 02:09:43 AM

That's it.  BUT SM said "If even a tiny little thing is even a Tiny Bit Off, it WON'T work!
                                                                                     .

Fatbird it is not simple.

And by a tiny bit off he means off frequency, which is critical.

I had written an extensive writing about the tpu i was writing for about 15 minutes when epn.ebay.com automatically refreshed and blanked the page, thank you Stefan i hope you will get your 2 cents for my 15 minutes of writing....

I will start over, i need to get this across.
It is sad to see that people still think that magnetic fields are the source of the energy, and that the point of catalyst can be reached by spinning magnetic fields in quadrature fashion i.e the Tesla patent.
This is all what people have been trying from the very beginning and this is not the way to go.
The process that makes the tpu tick is atomic/nuclear.
It involves nuclear magnetic resonance.
The electrons that circle around the nucleus react to externally applied magnetic fields.
By using the right combination of field strengths, frequencies, and pulse durations, a pattern can be created that firstly aligns, then disturbs (accelerates), and then releases.
The external field has a specific field strength, and can be static or have a specific frequency and pulse duration.
In the early experiments the external field consisted of the earth's magnetic field.
The second frequency is directly related to the field strength of the first, external field, as well as to the Larmor precession frequency of the material used for the collector.
When the earth's magnetic field is used the conversion frequency will be in the low Kilohertz range.
If a stronger external magnetic field is applied, the Larmor precession frequency will also go up.
The third frequency component is the (RF)pulse duration of the applied Larmor precession frequency.
Thus this is a so called 'gated' RF signal that is on for a specific period and then off for a specific frequency, and has a fixed frequency.
This gated signal is statically (HV), or magnetically applied or induced into the collector coil by means of a perpendicular (segment, control etc.) wire/coil wrapped around the main collector.
When the external field strength in combination with the correct RF pulse is applied (when you hit nmr/the right set combo etc.), an echo will be observed coming from the same RF (control) coil that fired the pulse, in the space, or silent duration of this critical pulsed pattern.
This is the tunning aspect of the device you have to tune your RF pulse train to the matching Larmor precession frequency / external field strength combination.
You are tunning your device to a frequency just like  a radio.
This can be done in several ways, either by using a fixed gated RF frequency and varying the external field strength, or by using a fixed external field strength whilst varying the RF frequency.
Once you have found the 'big kick' , (echo, catalyst, when all electrons slam back simultaneously upon release etc.) you will understand that you will have to repeat the process in triple fashion to set up one way rotation and to be able to establish feedback one kick feeds the next and so on.
Nobody said it would be easy but i am just getting tired of the rotating magnetic field Tesla transformer view, if it was that simple we would all have running tpu's by now.
This is why i asked this BRUCE_TPU (Troll,Attention Wh0re etc.) why the atomic energy commission was involved, and i got a vague answer that they didn't know what made the thing tick, but this is incorrect if you read the documentation that i have compiled you will find that they actually explained to Steven how it operated, they knew very well what made the thing tick and the potential of the process.
Bruce doesn't have any idea or clue he just wants attention/ego/feel good/subscribers.
Do some real research your self i have given you some good leads here.
The frequency and field strength components are well known and already have names, even tables exist with approximations of frequency for given nuclei/field strength/larmor combo's.
All the answers are there if you know where and what to look for, it has been literally staring us in the face for all these years...
I hope i have opened up the lid a bit further and i would also like to communicate to y'all that it is 3 horizontal coils wrapped over each other vertically, not interleaved.(see pic below)
The magnetic flux of the middle coil or main collector is nulled by the inner and outer coil, this is important to note because most of the images you find about tpu will show you a vertical stack of three coils in which the winding relationships are incorrect.
Im thinking about what more to say, good programming skills and knowledge of micro controller circuits can prove to be handy, a 555 isn't gonna do it folks.
Luckily we now have great tools like microchips arduino etc which you can program to put out a pwm train of x duration and have it listen for the echo make sure to drive your mosfet/igbt through the use of an optocoupler/driver so that your signal stays clean and does not get poisoned by noise.
That's all bit more promising then a diode and a battery, if you ask me.
Don't listen to the trolls, and especially don't send them any money.
Merry Christmas.

T.

If you have any questions let's hear them.
Title: Re: A Simple Question About TPU Replication Attempts
Post by: sm0ky2 on March 16, 2017, 02:14:26 AM
The inertial effects are caused by the difference in propagation rates.
Permeability of the different materials sends out waves at different speeds.
The same frequency.
But propagating at different velocities.
The net difference between the 3 defines the gyroscopic precession.

Title: Re: A Simple Question About TPU Replication Attempts
Post by: ARMCORTEX on March 16, 2017, 02:54:22 AM
Interresting Turbo...

Finally a good post has been done... But was this you? Christmas was almost 3 months ago. I also don't know what you mean with optocouplers? Aren't you seeking an analog signal, something fast and spiky? In any case, much research must be done in order to sense, store, control, and sweep, without disturbing what would be a naturally occurring system.

I appreciate these types of high effort posts that you done regarding TPU.

And thank you slamming Bruce. He never had your ability.

Bruce_TPU should retire himself. Its frustrating now finding interresting and logical POV's hidden under the bat guano.

10 years of bullshit and total air assumptions based on other things besides rigor and evidence... More of an emotional researcher type I agree...

Many years ago I had the same idea as you did. It simply requires too much rigor to "test and observe", sweep manually and look at oscilloscope... Sounds like failing strategy.

I actually thought about having an automatic AI system shoot some frequencies and record values in some high memory, then some script could find me interresting areas.

It was all a very big job tho, at the time I ad low skill, but the programming time itself might not be so killer if you think
this right and use proper circuit.

Keeping this in mind for a side project eventually. A highly sophisticated circuit project where learning is high and return could be even higher.

If we approach this with the optic that the possibilities are HUGE, but limited numerically, a good program and good system architecture will eventually find something.

But never with Arduino, that is (was) only for hobbyist, the best tehcnology is now STM32, with the CubeMX initiative you get
graphical initialization and API for ease of use, huge selection of ARM's, highest power tehcnology, lowest price components. Win,win,win,win. Proficiency in stm32 is transferrable..
Title: Re: A Simple Question About TPU Replication Attempts
Post by: ARMCORTEX on March 16, 2017, 07:18:19 AM
Turbo,

I am sure there are many up for the task. This is rather basic algorithm , we can perhaps test everything in a few months depends on how fast we can change  in order to satisfy initial conditions( few seconds ?)) or if we see effect of some sort. We can perhaps speed up the process by building identical designs.

Can you lay out a block diagram and circuit of what you would like to produce.

Add in the microcontroller and tell me what should be tested and measured first. How would you go by sweeping of such Device.

Is thia a purely random polynomial with 3 working variables for every reasonably designed coil, that we know is wound right ?

Duty and freq? If it's this simple it would be doable and quite reassuring. Are you sure it will play out like this?
Title: Re: A Simple Question About TPU Replication Attempts
Post by: Vortex1 on March 16, 2017, 10:43:40 PM
If I remember correctly, Turbo is one of the longtime researchers of the TPU going back at least to early  2006 when news of it first hit this forum with Lindsay Mannix's posts in the "Master of Magnetics" thread,  perhaps even earlier.

In those early days,  many were trying variations on quadrature switching schemes , most of it presumed from the open TPU which appeared to have 4 distinct windings on a plastic frame.

I totally agree with Turbo, that quad switching and attempting to rotate a magnetic field is a dead end. The magnetic field of the coils does not rotate, the fields just build up and decay around each segment.

A ferrous device placed in a quad switching scheme will rotate, it is called a four pole induction motor as also will a compass needle. Inertia of the rotating device is at work in this regard.

IMHO, Turbo is pointing to a worthy path to explore (NMR).

Regards
Title: Re: A Simple Question About TPU Replication Attempts
Post by: pix on March 17, 2017, 05:02:49 PM

I have examined SM's TPU photos up close through the years, & I know how his TPUs work.
The principal is very SIMPLE.  The core in the center is a plain ole 2 coil TRANSFORMER.
There are 2 coils in the TPU Circumference that attach to the transformer with 1 cap in Series with each coil.
Think of it as the Coils electrically Bouncing Back & Forth (at high speed) on the Core Transformer as it's running.
That's why it produces a Rotating Magnetic Field!

There is a 3rd Coil wound around the TPU circumference he called a Collector Coil, which is the Output Power.

That's it.  BUT SM said "If even a tiny little thing is even a Tiny Bit Off, it WON'T work!

To make a working unit, will take a LOT of patience trying out different coil & cap combinations.
Just trying to figure out what kind of transformer core he used can take a LOT of time & effort!

The bottom photo is a close up Core photo from his 17 inch TPU.

I gave up trying years ago.  Maybe somebody else can make it work?

                                                                                                                                                 .


Hi,
Toroid in the centre of TPU looks like High Voltage transformer, toroidal. Pay attention to heavy insulated cables coming out the epoxy filled space inside toroid HV transformer. I did found similiar picture of HV toroidal transformers on the gogle.
A very interesting concept of two LC circuits resonating, but out of the phase 90 deg- it will give rotating magnetic field but frequencies must be very exact ! Hard to obtain.
In the Times of Steven Mark frequency converters hasn't been very common, but now to get rotating magnetic field is much simpler with the help of frequency converter.


Regards,
Pix
Title: Re: A Simple Question About TPU Replication Attempts
Post by: pix on March 17, 2017, 05:06:55 PM

Fatbird it is not simple.

And by a tiny bit off he means off frequency, which is critical.

I had written an extensive writing about the tpu i was writing for about 15 minutes when epn.ebay.com automatically refreshed and blanked the page, thank you Stefan i hope you will get your 2 cents for my 15 minutes of writing....

I will start over, i need to get this across.
It is sad to see that people still think that magnetic fields are the source of the energy, and that the point of catalyst can be reached by spinning magnetic fields in quadrature fashion i.e the Tesla patent.
This is all what people have been trying from the very beginning and this is not the way to go.
The process that makes the tpu tick is atomic/nuclear.
It involves nuclear magnetic resonance.
The electrons that circle around the nucleus react to externally applied magnetic fields.
By using the right combination of field strengths, frequencies, and pulse durations, a pattern can be created that firstly aligns, then disturbs (accelerates), and then releases.
The external field has a specific field strength, and can be static or have a specific frequency and pulse duration.
In the early experiments the external field consisted of the earth's magnetic field.
The second frequency is directly related to the field strength of the first, external field, as well as to the Larmor precession frequency of the material used for the collector.
When the earth's magnetic field is used the conversion frequency will be in the low Kilohertz range.
If a stronger external magnetic field is applied, the Larmor precession frequency will also go up.
The third frequency component is the (RF)pulse duration of the applied Larmor precession frequency.
Thus this is a so called 'gated' RF signal that is on for a specific period and then off for a specific frequency, and has a fixed frequency.
This gated signal is statically (HV), or magnetically applied or induced into the collector coil by means of a perpendicular (segment, control etc.) wire/coil wrapped around the main collector.
When the external field strength in combination with the correct RF pulse is applied (when you hit nmr/the right set combo etc.), an echo will be observed coming from the same RF (control) coil that fired the pulse, in the space, or silent duration of this critical pulsed pattern.
This is the tunning aspect of the device you have to tune your RF pulse train to the matching Larmor precession frequency / external field strength combination.
You are tunning your device to a frequency just like  a radio.
This can be done in several ways, either by using a fixed gated RF frequency and varying the external field strength, or by using a fixed external field strength whilst varying the RF frequency.
Once you have found the 'big kick' , (echo, catalyst, when all electrons slam back simultaneously upon release etc.) you will understand that you will have to repeat the process in triple fashion to set up one way rotation and to be able to establish feedback one kick feeds the next and so on.
Nobody said it would be easy but i am just getting tired of the rotating magnetic field Tesla transformer view, if it was that simple we would all have running tpu's by now.
This is why i asked this BRUCE_TPU (Troll,Attention Wh0re etc.) why the atomic energy commission was involved, and i got a vague answer that they didn't know what made the thing tick, but this is incorrect if you read the documentation that i have compiled you will find that they actually explained to Steven how it operated, they knew very well what made the thing tick and the potential of the process.
Bruce doesn't have any idea or clue he just wants attention/ego/feel good/subscribers.
Do some real research your self i have given you some good leads here.
The frequency and field strength components are well known and already have names, even tables exist with approximations of frequency for given nuclei/field strength/larmor combo's.
All the answers are there if you know where and what to look for, it has been literally staring us in the face for all these years...
I hope i have opened up the lid a bit further and i would also like to communicate to y'all that it is 3 horizontal coils wrapped over each other vertically, not interleaved.(see pic below)
The magnetic flux of the middle coil or main collector is nulled by the inner and outer coil, this is important to note because most of the images you find about tpu will show you a vertical stack of three coils in which the winding relationships are incorrect.
Im thinking about what more to say, good programming skills and knowledge of micro controller circuits can prove to be handy, a 555 isn't gonna do it folks.
Luckily we now have great tools like microchips arduino etc which you can program to put out a pwm train of x duration and have it listen for the echo make sure to drive your mosfet/igbt through the use of an optocoupler/driver so that your signal stays clean and does not get poisoned by noise.
That's all bit more promising then a diode and a battery, if you ask me.
Don't listen to the trolls, and especially don't send them any money.
Merry Christmas.

T.

If you have any questions let's hear them.


That's not true.
The only thing "atomic" in Steven Mark TPU is fact, that it relies on the patent from the 60's that belongs to US Atomic Energy Comission.
I found this patent.
That's why You will not find any TPU patent from Steven Mark.


Regards,
Pix
Title: Re: A Simple Question About TPU Replication Attempts
Post by: Turbo on March 17, 2017, 06:32:16 PM
Ah look the debunkers by words only have arrived this was to be expected of course.

@ARMCORTEX

I am not expecting much from this.
I do not think that there are many up to the job.
In fact i think if there are people up to the job, you can count them on one hand.

Make of it what you want, i don't have the time to care.
I am just waving my hand in a certain direction in the hope that someone notices.
I will not go into discussion or waste my time fighting with words.
If you think you can make it work then go ahead and try, it's a personal journey.
If you need any more info just write me a PM, you know it's impossible to set up constructive communication between the noise in the open on this board.
I have been using Microchips 16Fxxx and MikroC PWM() / PlaySound() and ADC_Read() Delay_mS() functions.
These functions are readily available from their library's.
If you decide to use this compiler you can also use Microchip's IPE Integrated Programming Environment to program the chips directly.
It's fast and easy.
Im sure you can use many,many others too.
ARM processors would even be overkill unless you want to add a GLCD with GUI where you can select output voltage frequency etc.
Anyway good luck to all.

Quote from: Steven Mark

Let us ponder where the huge magnetic field comes from when you
explode an atomic bomb.
It is just created?
Is it converted?
Is it part of the earth somehow?
Is it just a by product of the fabric of time and space being ripped into
pieces in a fragment of a second?
I am curious as to where this unbelievably huge magnetic force comes
from during an atomic explosion...
It is something else to think about.
perhaps in connection with my power technology.

Title: Re: A Simple Question About TPU Replication Attempts
Post by: Vortex1 on March 17, 2017, 06:32:40 PM

That's not true.
The only thing "atomic" in Steven Mark TPU is fact, that it relies on the patent from the 60's that belongs to US Atomic Energy Comission.
I found this patent.
That's why You will not find any TPU patent from Steven Mark.


Regards,
Pix

Hi Pix

If you would be so kind could you post the patent you referenced here.

Steve Mark was the engineer for a speaker manufacturing company. This company (Spheric Labs) made subwoofers with satellite speakers. Sometimes it is necessary to block the high frequencies from the subwoofer. Back in the day it was done passively using LC's or common mode chokes. (see attached).

When Spheric Labs folded we know that Steve M grabbed a lot of components that were tossed in the dumpster e.g. the plastic frame from the open TPU was part of a grill assembly for pipe transmission line speakers they had developed. No doubt he grabbed a few of these audio chokes.  Steve has the design patent on these speakers. I have lots of info on this and have conversed with Jack Durban about it.

Regards
Vortex1

Sample PM from Jack below:

Quote
Re: more pics  « Sent to: Vortex1 (http://overunity.com/profile/vortex1.3793/) on: April 21, 2008, 06:28:20 AM »   Reply (http://overunity.com/pm/jdurban.11309/sa/send/f/inbox/pmsg/20802/)
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  [url=http://overunity.com/profile/vortex1.3793/]Quote from: Vortex1 on April 21, 2008, 12:42:46 AM (http://overunity.com/pm/sa/pmactions/pm_actions[20802)<blockquote>Hi Jack

Thanks for your help in all this. Like you I'm a seasoned inventor with patents and a long work history (now retired) or rather out of the corporate scene.

Go on line and google spheric speakers, you will find these for sale on ebay auctions.

I have more pics of the 25K and a smaller unidentified model all rolled into a pdf if you like just send me an email address.

Thanks again....V
</blockquote>
Great to hear from you. I had no idea that we sold enough speakers to have some wind up on eBay after all these years. To be honest they were just run the mill speakers and those rings in the shot you put up...well they are trimmed in cheap plastic and they begin to spring open over time. I had nothing to do with designing them just the audio processing stuff.

When you get a moment someday please share some of your inventing experiences. My email is jdurban@xxxxx.com
xxx.xxx.xxxx
Thanks and all the best,

Jack
Title: Re: A Simple Question About TPU Replication Attempts
Post by: pix on March 17, 2017, 07:19:33 PM

Hi Pix


Steve Mark was the engineer for a speaker manufacturing company. This company (Spheric Labs) made subwoofers with satellite speakers. Sometimes it is necessary to block the high frequencies from the subwoofer. Back in the day it was done passively using LC's or common mode chokes. (see attached).

When Spheric Labs folded we know that Steve M grabbed a lot of components that were tossed in the dumpster e.g. the plastic frame from the open TPU was part of a grill assembly for pipe transmission line speakers they had developed. No doubt he grabbed a few of these audio chokes.  Steve has the design patent on these speakers. I have lots of info on this and have conversed with Jack Durban about it.

Regards
Vortex1




Those common mode chokes are misleading. In TPU inside of that "choke" is filled with epoxy-look resin and heavy insulated and spaced apart cables emerges from that resin.
I have found on the google pictures search similiar looking toroidal HV impulse transformers. What is common: square core, primary outside the core, secondary inside the core, HV output cables coming from the toroid centre which is filled by resin.
Regarding patent- I will give You a direction:
1.Loaded transmission line
2.Current drive in Tokamaks.


Regards,
Pix
Title: Re: A Simple Question About TPU Replication Attempts
Post by: Turbo on March 17, 2017, 10:13:55 PM
A hint??

That sounds familiar...

Let me give you a hint:
 
PIX = BRUCE_TPU
Title: Re: A Simple Question About TPU Replication Attempts
Post by: John.K1 on March 17, 2017, 10:38:19 PM
A hint??

That sounds familiar...

Let me give you a hint:
 
PIX = BRUCE_TPU

 :D  I do not think so :D
Title: Re: A Simple Question About TPU Replication Attempts
Post by: Turbo on March 17, 2017, 11:09:08 PM
Well the debunkers are still widely represented  :D

For those that still want to explore the route proposed:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7aRKAXD4dAg&list=PLD14D78BC61685BD7&index=1 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7aRKAXD4dAg&list=PLD14D78BC61685BD7&index=1)
Title: Re: A Simple Question About TPU Replication Attempts
Post by: ARMCORTEX on March 18, 2017, 12:05:03 AM
Awesome thanks.

I am an embedded enthusiast as I like the flexibility and freedom, for low cost you have infinite abilty to unleash your creativity
that such technology provides.

I use the ARM cortex series exclusively as they have cheap price, best architecture, scalable power from M0 to M7 and now even H7. and if you are good with this there is not much product you cannot make. You cant make everything obviously like a VR headset or an Iphone. Learning embedded systems requires you to learn C or C++, so it is a time investment, so if  you are good and lucky you might be prepared for possible job opportunities as you research OU, it is however an competitive field and jobs are not easy to get, but the field is open to your creativity and everybody has a fighting chance or just do your own stuff.

Either it be industrial controllers, PID controllers, motor drives, consumer products, networking equipment, drones, robots, etc...

If you are software/electronics type this project is open to all and will be alot of fun, and a good learning experience.



Title: Re: A Simple Question About TPU Replication Attempts
Post by: pix on March 18, 2017, 02:40:10 PM

A hint??

That sounds familiar...

Let me give you a hint:
 
PIX = BRUCE_TPU
Hi Turbo,


PIX =/= BRUCE TPU


Regards,
Pix
Title: Re: A Simple Question About TPU Replication Attempts
Post by: ARMCORTEX on March 18, 2017, 03:24:48 PM
OK enough infighting.

After much reflexion, I apologize for what I said to Bruce.

The man embarked on a task that is very difficult.

At least he got his hands busy, we all have our moments of confusion and near insanity

Nevertheless, his views are still of value, we cannot deny that he did spend 10 years reading about this subject, and hopefully he could discern a logical path to how to attack the problem, in that regards he has experience.
 
My apologies Bruce.

Now, since I am not entirely focused on this, I was just throwing the idea out there about an algorithm. This is not my main priority,  and it's still unclear how to attack this problem. I will let the discussion evolve and see if I can implement.

Since this would work like a crack, my circuit would be open source this time if I were to make it, one thing I learned is that there no market for this and the more people try, the higher the chances are that some meaningful effect is discovered.

Not only that, but it would finally be a good excuse to put something on github.

Now I really dont care or have a preference for any of your theories, its one OR the other and as far as I know none of you have the definite and true answer yet. Besides, a good circuit is a flexible circuit, we are not aiming for mass market here, a few 30$ never hurt no one.

I dont care about who's sweeping flowcharts, who's coil assembly, who's circuit topology, who's voltage consideration is superior than the other's. All I read is fights when I search TPU, I dont even know whos ego is boasting and bullshitting and whos dead serious about intuition.

The goal is simply to add automation to the recipe, I ask the reader to lay out their cards, their findings, whatever useful input they can provide to make job easier to design this circuit. I am not an expert in TPU and dont have the time to become one and search all this information.
Title: Re: A Simple Question About TPU Replication Attempts
Post by: pix on March 18, 2017, 04:24:56 PM

Ladies and Gentelmans,
Here it is.
US3085189


Regards,
Pix
Title: Re: A Simple Question About TPU Replication Attempts
Post by: Turbo on March 18, 2017, 08:04:21 PM
Ladies and Gentelmans,
Here it is.
US3085189


Regards,
Pix

OMG you really found it !

Now we can all start building TPU's and save the planet.

Thank you so much !

Title: Re: A Simple Question About TPU Replication Attempts
Post by: Vortex1 on March 18, 2017, 08:28:27 PM
Ladies and Gentelmans,
Here it is.
US3085189

Regards,
Pix

Thanks for the patent PIX, it does show some interesting ideas, if it really works.

High points that seem to correlate somewhat with the TPU are:

Rectification (DC output) due to unidirectional motion of electrons in a gas, metal lattice or air. (the big one)

Use of a transmission line and travelling wave.

Acceleration of electrons close to the wave velocity (also big)

There is more but I guess we will have to build it and test it. Should not be that difficult. Same for the NMR stuff.

Regarding the NMR stuff, some folks use a slowly ramping DC current sawtooth or triangle wave for the bias coils and fixed frequency gated RF for the main coils in an attempt to slowly sweep through the range of the  NMR sweet spot (largest return echo).

This because NMR devices are very high Q and require precise frequency control as well as  gauss control and it is not that easy to hit the target combination.

Regards
Title: Re: A Simple Question About TPU Replication Attempts
Post by: pix on March 18, 2017, 09:15:31 PM

Thanks for the patent PIX, it does show some interesting ideas, if it really works.

High points that seem to correlate somewhat with the TPU are:

Rectification (DC output) due to unidirectional motion of electrons in a gas, metal lattice or air. (the big one)

Use of a transmission line and travelling wave.

Acceleration of electrons close to the wave velocity (also big)

There is more but I guess we will have to build it and test it. Should not be that difficult. Same for the NMR stuff.

Regarding the NMR stuff, some folks use a slowly ramping DC current sawtooth or triangle wave for the bias coils and fixed frequency gated RF for the main coils in an attempt to slowly sweep through the range of the  NMR sweet spot (largest return echo).

This because NMR devices are very high Q and require precise frequency control as well as  gauss control and it is not that easy to hit the target combination.

Regards
There is more:
1.Electrons drag, resulting from travelling wave , is enchancing travelling wave ( in SM words "it feeds itself')
2."Squeezing of the garden hose" analogy.
There is another patent, from 1890-tens, very similiar setup.
SM did used this patent, that's why guys from Atomic Energy Commision did warned him and shut up. This has been mentioned in one of Mannix interwiew with SM.
Anyway.
Everybody, please be welcome to explore what I just revealed.


Regards,
Pix.
Title: Re: A Simple Question About TPU Replication Attempts
Post by: pix on March 18, 2017, 09:16:12 PM

OMG you really found it !

Now we can all start building TPU's and save the planet.

Thank you so much !


You are welcome.


Regards,
Pix
Title: Re: A Simple Question About TPU Replication Attempts
Post by: Vortex1 on March 18, 2017, 09:32:57 PM
When I first skimmed the patent, I thought well, close, but no cigar, SM did not use gas tubes.

 On a more thorough read, I can see that this is a very good find and good fit for the TPU as it shows that the travelling wave can effect (drag) the electrons in a solid metallic conductor or semiconductor (the collector) so a gas tube is not necessarily needed.

There are many other statements in the patent that make it a very good TPU fit if it works as claimed.

If you have any related patents, by all means do post them. Meanwhile I will search the citations of the patent.

Thanks again
Title: Re: A Simple Question About TPU Replication Attempts
Post by: pix on March 18, 2017, 09:50:04 PM

When I first scanned the patent, I thought well, close but no cigar, SM did not use gas tubes.

 On a more thorough read, I can see that this is a very good find and good fit for the TPU as it shows that the travelling wave can effect the electrons in a solid metallic conductor or semiconductor (the collector) so a gas tube is not necessarily needed.

If you have any related pa
Exactly what just revealed patent states that  travelling wave drags electrons in metallic conductor, the same way as in the gases or plasma. Tokamak related plasma heating stuff, by current drive.
Here is much more earlier patent:
US847,008


Regards,
Pix
Title: Re: A Simple Question About TPU Replication Attempts
Post by: Vortex1 on March 18, 2017, 10:28:27 PM
Exactly what just revealed patent states that  travelling wave drags electrons in metallic conductor, the same way as in the gases or plasma. Tokamak related plasma heating stuff, by current drive.
Here is much more earlier patent:
US847,008


Regards,
Pix

Not sure about the above quoted patent. I and a lot of others have done experiments using iron wire as the core of a transformer or induction device, and I can say that I never was able to observe anything noteworthy. Maybe others have.

Also the early date of the patent rules out RF excitation, unless by spark gap and resonant circuit or LF generator, as vacuum tubes had not yet been invented. No reference to a RF excitation is given.

I think your first patent hits the nail on the head. I started to use a highlighter for the good parts, but soon the whole pages were yellowed.  ;)

I searched the citations in the Thoneman et al patent and the first one was the closest, 2096460
Title: Re: A Simple Question About TPU Replication Attempts
Post by: Turbo on March 19, 2017, 01:30:12 AM
And we have successfully diverted attention and started a new patent hunt.
The only problem is that patents aren't going to help.... the only thing that can help, are results.
Title: Re: A Simple Question About TPU Replication Attempts
Post by: Vortex1 on March 19, 2017, 01:54:19 AM
And we have successfully diverted attention and started a new patent hunt.
The only problem is that patents aren't going to help.... the only thing that can help, are results.

No I'm finished with the patent hunts, there is enough in the first patent that fits the TPU like a key pushing the tumblers of a lock.

Problem is, a lot of patents don't actually work, but this one reads as if the experiments and reporting are real with some graphs of input RF current vs output current.

Other problem is, a lot of folks (including myself) have swept RF through custom built transmission line coils like this without anything interesting happening and not a hint of DC on the collector.  I and another person have been working on the transmission line method for a few months now in our spare time with nothing significant to report.

The NMR direction is also a viable path but no one yet seems to have results from those experiments either. And by results I mean a stand alone portable power source as SM demonstrated, not something hooked to a power supply gobbling up watts while lighting a tiny LED.

The proof of the pudding is in the tasting.
Title: Re: A Simple Question About TPU Replication Attempts
Post by: Turbo on March 19, 2017, 10:10:53 AM
This world is full of idiots.
The only way for them to have a working tpu (stand alone portable power source as SM demonstrated) is when someone else will deliver one at their doorstep.
And that isn't going to happen soon.
I'm working with the largest energy corporations, to hook it up to the net, like wind and solar.
This is the most logical economic step.
So even if you are using tpu power in the future, your still gonna have to pay for it....

Just like anything else, really.
Unless you are going to get your hands dirty, and what are the odds that that is going to happen ??
.....
Title: Re: A Simple Question About TPU Replication Attempts
Post by: pix on March 19, 2017, 11:22:23 AM

This world is full of idiots.
The only way for them to have a working tpu (stand alone portable power source as SM demonstrated) is when someone else will deliver one at their doorstep.
And that isn't going to happen soon.
I'm working with the largest energy corporations, to hook it up to the net, like wind and solar.
This is the most logical economic step.
So even if you are using tpu power in the future, your still gonna have to pay for it....

Just like anything else, really.
Unless you are going to get your hands dirty, and what are the odds that that is going to happen ??
.....
Turbo.
Just for your information.
I also did get my hands "dirty" trying various setups.
It took me many years of detective-like search, sorting out garbage from important information, putting togethet bits of information here and there.
TPU has been in the back of my head for years, and instead of sit down in the front of TV with a sixpack of beer, I devoted my free time to search for answer.
And finally I found it ( in my opinion)  in November last Year and yesterday  I shared this information with you guys.
Everybody had the same chances as I had.
The patent I did posted here from 1907 is just for information, it is very interesting and it gave me a hint where to look- and I found the BIG ONE: US3085189
Too many information in this setup comes along with TPU.
Now is a time to get our hands dirty again, and test this one.


Regards,
Pix



Title: Re: A Simple Question About TPU Replication Attempts
Post by: pix on March 19, 2017, 11:41:36 AM

No I'm finished with the patent hunts, there is enough in the first patent that fits the TPU like a key pushing the tumblers of a lock.

Problem is, a lot of patents don't actually work, but this one reads as if the experiments and reporting are real with some graphs of input RF current vs output current.

Other problem is, a lot of folks (including myself) have swept RF through custom built transmission line coils like this without anything interesting happening and not a hint of DC on the collector.  I and another person have been working on the transmission line method for a few months now in our spare time with nothing significant to report.

The NMR direction is also a viable path but no one yet seems to have results from those experiments either. And by results I mean a stand alone portable power source as SM demonstrated, not something hooked to a power supply gobbling up watts while lighting a tiny LED.

The proof of the pudding is in the tasting.


Pay attention to statement in the patent, that simple multiphase coil array setup (coils switched on/off) have similiar effect as travelling wave.
I am bit not familiar with loaded transmission line stuff yet.
So, the first one I am going to test is 3 phase driven coils, each driven from single phase- arranged in linear or circular fashion , placed over copper wire collector. I am going to use my 1 phase, 230V/ 3 phase,380V frequency converter ( industrial motor speed control) that gives me possibility to run output frequency up to 800Hz. I will test how such alternatively switched coils may have effect on the collector coil output.
I am also considering possibility to put a diode in series with collector coil.
"Squeezing the garden hose".
This idea is very similiar to "coil gun".


Regards,
Pix
Title: Re: A Simple Question About TPU Replication Attempts
Post by: kEhYo77 on March 19, 2017, 12:00:32 PM
After watching Akula's 1W TPU tear down this is what I came up with.
In the schematic I omitted control windings so that the principle of operation is seen more clearly.
Faraday's law states that whenever there is a changing E field in time there is a magnetic field changing in time and if so there must be induction.
Diving the primary with resonance frequency of this Tesla transformer configuration will create changing E field between capacitor plates and around them.
This will induce a voltage in the output winding but the resulting magnetic field will be at the right angle to the inducing so Lenz's reaction will not affect the input, I think.
Title: Re: A Simple Question About TPU Replication Attempts
Post by: Vortex1 on March 19, 2017, 12:59:14 PM

Pay attention to statement in the patent, that simple multiphase coil array setup (coils switched on/off) have similiar effect as travelling wave.
I am bit not familiar with loaded transmission line stuff yet.
So, the first one I am going to test is 3 phase driven coils, each driven from single phase- arranged in linear or circular fashion , placed over copper wire collector. I am going to use my 1 phase, 230V/ 3 phase,380V frequency converter ( industrial motor speed control) that gives me possibility to run output frequency up to 800Hz. I will test how such alternatively switched coils may have effect on the collector coil output.
I am also considering possibility to put a diode in series with collector coil.
"Squeezing the garden hose".
This idea is very similiar to "coil gun".


Regards,
Pix

Hi Pix

Your test with the three phase motor drive will be interesting, and I would be very interested in your results. The TPU has claimed about eleven years of my life"s spare time, and  forced an education in many new areas of physics and electronics that I don't consider a waste of time. So like you and Turbo I'm sure, we have all spent a lot our spare time on this. The best posture we could take is to be gentlemen and brothers on a quest.

As far as putting a diode in the collector remember this: The patent says a unidirectional flow of electrons is the result of the conversion. In some places, it is claimed as an AC (RF) to DC converter.

Steve Mark devices were DC output by design. If they were AC output he could have used a transformer to convert to any usable voltage he desired. This was not the case, and he needed a specially modified inverter seen in the videos to convert 90 volts DC to 120 VAC 60Hz. Voltages of his devices were all over the place, from 60 V DC to 800 VDC, with some RF hash riding on top. Adding a diode may give some DC by rectifying stray capacitance effects and be deceiving. Better to just put a small incandescent lamp or resistor directly on the output coil and look for a net DC.

If so desired you can use an RC to filter the hash so you get good readings on a meter. If you use a simple RC on the output and find a net DC on the capacitor you are getting there. All AC inductive effects must sum to zero across the capacitor as they would in any conventional pulsed transformer setup. DC output that does not appreciably load the input is the Holy Grail.

Regards
Vortex1
Title: Re: A Simple Question About TPU Replication Attempts
Post by: Jeg on March 19, 2017, 01:08:31 PM
After watching Akula's 1W TPU tear down this is what I came up with.
In the schematic I omitted control windings so that the principle of operation is seen more clearly.
Faraday's law states that whenever there is a changing E field in time there is a magnetic field changing in time and if so there must be induction.
Diving the primary with resonance frequency of this Tesla transformer configuration will create changing E field between capacitor plates and around them.
This will induce a voltage in the output winding but the resulting magnetic field will be at right angle to the inducing so Lenz's reaction will not affect the input, I think.

Thank you kEhyo77
There is a small secret here if you can call it like that. The internal circuitry (horizontal plane coils) is responsible for the E-part generation. At correct angles like in schematic (90deg.), it can be imposed to the output's waveshape. But also needs some "special" conditions for achieving the right time and place of imposition, having in mind only one thing. To increase the output's energy and not to degrade it.
Title: Re: A Simple Question About TPU Replication Attempts
Post by: kEhYo77 on March 19, 2017, 01:42:46 PM
Hi Jeg.
Could you elaborate on those "special" conditions?
90 deg phase shifted output maybe?
Title: Re: A Simple Question About TPU Replication Attempts
Post by: pix on March 19, 2017, 03:28:32 PM

After watching Akula's 1W TPU tear down this is what I came up with.
In the schematic I omitted control windings so that the principle of operation is seen more clearly.
Faraday's law states that whenever there is a changing E field in time there is a magnetic field changing in time and if so there must be induction.
Diving the primary with resonance frequency of this Tesla transformer configuration will create changing E field between capacitor plates and around them.
This will induce a voltage in the output winding but the resulting magnetic field will be at the right angle to the inducing so Lenz's reaction will not affect the input, I think.


Let's not distract ourselves and focus on a new find -US3085189. Current drive by travelling wave.
Possible use of displacement current of capacitor may be separate thread.
Otherwise we end up nowhere, like it has been in the past- threads getting diluted , having over 1 Kposts.


Regards,
Pix
Title: Re: A Simple Question About TPU Replication Attempts
Post by: Jeg on March 20, 2017, 12:19:03 PM

90 deg phase shifted output maybe?

Yes. Phase shift is of the aspects that has to be considered.  ;)
Title: Re: A Simple Question About TPU Replication Attempts
Post by: ARMCORTEX on March 20, 2017, 06:26:44 PM

Let's not distract ourselves and focus on a new find -US3085189. Current drive by travelling wave.
Possible use of displacement current of capacitor may be separate thread.
Otherwise we end up nowhere, like it has been in the past- threads getting diluted , having over 1 Kposts.


Regards,
Pix

I agree.

Pix and Turbo, vortex, have dedicated a decade of their lives to this research.

If they feel like this has no relation I trust them.

I took 2 minutes to read this and I can say it's not in line with subject.

Keep it on topic or go make another thread.
Title: Re: A Simple Question About TPU Replication Attempts
Post by: Vortex1 on March 21, 2017, 02:09:47 AM
I agree.

Pix and Turbo, vortex, have dedicated a decade of their lives to this research.

If they feel like this has no relation I trust them.

I took 2 minutes to read this and I can say it's not in line with subject.

Keep it on topic or go make another thread.

I think there is a bit of a communication derail here.

To be clear the patent presented by PIX  US3085189 Thonemann et al is very much in line with TPU research.

 It presents an explanation to some of the factors that  have been elusive regarding the SM TPU.

The biggest find within the patent in my opinion is the direct conversion of RF Current (alternating current)  into a Direct Current by propelling electrons in one direction in a elemental noble gas or mixture of gases or an electron "gas" in the metal lattice of a conductor or a semiconductor. (the collector)

And this is the very first claim of the patent!. How this is done without discrete semiconductor rectifiers eluded me and others for a very long time. If the patent is real and works as claimed, it is to me at least, a huge revelation.

It is my belief that any serious researcher of TPU devices of SM must address this first major issue.

The other issues fall into place once this is properly addressed. The very slight gyroscopic effect, the slight stiction when pushed can possibly be explained when copious numbers of electrons are accelerated to wave velocity in a circular shaped device.

Also looking at the graphs, there is a current multiplication of at least one order of magnitude.

Two methods are presented for producing the traveling wave and resultant DC current derived from RF input current, one utilizing a transmission line and the other a polyphase drive system.

So, to be sure, the patent US3085189 generously provided by PIX is very relevant to the topic of the thread.

Armcortex, were you referring to something else? The Akula stuff perhaps?

Regards
Vortex1
Title: Re: A Simple Question About TPU Replication Attempts
Post by: Dansway on March 23, 2017, 02:35:17 AM
Can anyone point to the complete compendium of TPU files?  (All highlighted SM email, etc etc.)
Title: Re: A Simple Question About TPU Replication Attempts
Post by: Vortex1 on March 23, 2017, 03:29:26 AM
Can anyone point to the complete compendium of TPU files?  (All highlighted SM email, etc etc.)

The problem with the information is the bits and pieces and the jewels have been scattered among the myriad threads and topics on this and other forums.

From time to time some folks have put together the emails between Lindsay Mannix and Steven Mark, but the info therein is out of order time wise and incomplete.

There is much more than just the email exchanges, which are only a small part of the whole picture.

If you are new to this, it will take a lot of reading to get up to speed and get a good handle on the whole story. You could start with the "Master of Magnetics" thread if it still exists on this forum.

 "OverUnityResearch" also has a lot of good categorized info and discussion.

http://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?board=8.0 (http://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?board=8.0)

The biggest problem is all the personal hypothesis that somehow got turned into facts about the TPU. Sorting through that could take you a decade. Also beware of all the people faking non working devices on youtube just to get hits for money.

Try the attachment for a start.

Regards
Title: Re: A Simple Question About TPU Replication Attempts
Post by: MasterPlaster on March 25, 2017, 09:34:56 PM
Pix, Thank you for the patent. When ever I study a patent I normally read the other info that comes along with it because each one may shed some more light on the issue. With respect to US3085189 I have disclosed the following. Also the patent itself reminds me a bit of H Kunel drawing.

 
Title: Re: A Simple Question About TPU Replication Attempts
Post by: ramset on April 30, 2017, 12:40:48 AM
Just an update on progress with experiments

http://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=302.msg61336;topicseen#msg61336

If and when there is a real result this thread will swing into gear...
all comments welcomed and appreciated

Respectfully
Chet K
Title: Re: A Simple Question About TPU Replication Attempts
Post by: ramset on May 01, 2017, 11:37:02 PM
Post 474 here has a nice thought on an interesting technique to light the tube.

http://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=302.msg61386;topicseen#msg61386


PLEASE OBSERVE WARNINGS !!

respectfully
Chet K
Title: Re: A Simple Question About TPU Replication Attempts
Post by: cheappower2012 on May 03, 2017, 01:48:28 AM
The nonsense that goes on in here is amazing,the creation of mythologies to make some peoples ego's feel good is unbelievable :o.If science was done in this manner we would be living in caves and eating raw meat ::).Facts form the core of any theory,fact one Steven Marks ran a sort of con operation out of the mansion he lived in,the device I believe is real,however he lured investors in
with the implied belief they would corner the market on energy.He had no intention of giving them anything,and didn't.Steven Mark is a greedy
disgusting human being,a flower of humanity. Steven Mark cheated countless people,no one ever said hes device was fake
some investors brought in there own experts to test if the devices were real,no fraud was ever detected.A person like Steven Mark is a pathological liar very little of what he says can be believed
nevertheless a lot of people believe he can't lie ;D.The output of the tpu's are dc, not dc with a 5khz hash that's plain silly.The devices appear to be mainly wire,with very few components,the devices vibrate at a low frequency,this vibration is not a product of properties of a magnetic field,attraction or repulsion,but something different.There is an alleged gyroscopic effect,I believed this to be a fraud
effect ,however it may be real.A new video has appeared that shows a lot of people moving the small tpu in the air.It can be shown that you can create the effect of a vibration not using the magnetic properties of the magnetic field.It may also be possible to recreate the gyroscopic effect,never tried it since I believed it to be fake.The point is some effects are a cause of a huge current existing in the wire ring of the tpu,in pulses.It is possible to transfer energy in the form of pulses thru a bifular coil,you lose a lot of energy but,it fits the tpu pattern ,the tpu gets very hot,a lot of energy is wasted.The question is how are these huge current pulses created,thats the unknown mystery of the tpu.
Title: Re: A Simple Question About TPU Replication Attempts
Post by: Eighthman on May 08, 2017, 04:50:21 PM
OK, Guys - I gather from these discussions that the simple switched fields in quadrature - like squeezing toothpaste forward doesn't work by itself.


Given the spinning compass needle reported with the Mark device, it still must be part of the picture.  That said......I wonder about something Kanarev said - that he could create free energy by electromechanical means OR electromagnetic/electronic means.  If so, that's a clue.  As I recall the remark, it sounds like he wasn't willing to discuss the electronic means because he feared for his life (!)


This would tend to support my idea that there is a relationship between the Marks device and the Linevich device - as both exploit a free energy effect connected with centrifugal/rotating force.  The Marks device would simply be the fully electronic version of a such an arrangement, using fields alone.
Title: Re: A Simple Question About TPU Replication Attempts
Post by: rensseak on May 08, 2017, 07:33:41 PM
Are these picture known to you? It is said that SM gave it via Mannix to a small group of members of overunity.com  It is just to give an idea how to wind the coils.

https://s19.postimg.org/47nzzobyr/2009-12-22_17.11.29.jpg (https://s19.postimg.org/47nzzobyr/2009-12-22_17.11.29.jpg)
https://s19.postimg.org/pk03b3lar/2009-12-22_17.11.46.jpg (https://s19.postimg.org/pk03b3lar/2009-12-22_17.11.46.jpg)
https://s19.postimg.org/vjj910gpf/2009-12-22_17.11.37.jpg (https://s19.postimg.org/vjj910gpf/2009-12-22_17.11.37.jpg)
https://s19.postimg.org/ldf8vrloz/2009-12-22_17.12.20.jpg (https://s19.postimg.org/ldf8vrloz/2009-12-22_17.12.20.jpg)
https://s19.postimg.org/y3jh8utn7/2009-12-22_17.11.51.jpg (https://s19.postimg.org/y3jh8utn7/2009-12-22_17.11.51.jpg)
Title: Re: A Simple Question About TPU Replication Attempts
Post by: Eighthman on May 08, 2017, 08:55:42 PM
The  A B C thing looks like one coil with a center tap on B1


Thanks
Title: Re: A Simple Question About TPU Replication Attempts
Post by: poynt99 on May 09, 2017, 04:41:07 AM
Are these picture known to you? It is said that SM gave it via Mannix to a small group of members of overunity.com  It is just to give an idea how to wind the coils.

https://s19.postimg.org/47nzzobyr/2009-12-22_17.11.29.jpg (https://s19.postimg.org/47nzzobyr/2009-12-22_17.11.29.jpg)
https://s19.postimg.org/pk03b3lar/2009-12-22_17.11.46.jpg (https://s19.postimg.org/pk03b3lar/2009-12-22_17.11.46.jpg)
https://s19.postimg.org/vjj910gpf/2009-12-22_17.11.37.jpg (https://s19.postimg.org/vjj910gpf/2009-12-22_17.11.37.jpg)
https://s19.postimg.org/ldf8vrloz/2009-12-22_17.12.20.jpg (https://s19.postimg.org/ldf8vrloz/2009-12-22_17.12.20.jpg)
https://s19.postimg.org/y3jh8utn7/2009-12-22_17.11.51.jpg (https://s19.postimg.org/y3jh8utn7/2009-12-22_17.11.51.jpg)
Really?

I've never seen these pictures (or at least I don't recall seeing them), and I also doubt they came from SM. But if you have some evidence that they did, I'm interested in reading about it.  :)
Title: Re: A Simple Question About TPU Replication Attempts
Post by: rensseak on May 09, 2017, 07:39:41 AM
poynt99, I asked Mannix via PM to confirm but got no response. For me they could really from SM. If you zoom in the first picture you can read on the white paper under the yellow on top somthing with "Main Street * 107 Woodland, Ca". This means for me, that this fotos was taken somewhere in Ca and with that could really come from SM.
Title: Re: A Simple Question About TPU Replication Attempts
Post by: Eighthman on May 09, 2017, 10:28:38 PM
This could be mere coincidence but I notice an odd (to my thinking) fluctuation in this free energy effect.  It doesn't look linear, as if you could simply increase speed and expect a neat proportion of added energy or torque.


http://www.vortex-world.org/fluidtechnique.htm


In regard to Schauberger,  the Popel tests showed a negative viscosity that rose and fell - and not a simple increase.  Likewise, if you examine Linevich's results, the ratio of input and output seems to rise and fall as he increases speed ( in his paper on centrifugal force as a power source).  I can't explain it but it looks interesting.
Title: Re: A Simple Question About TPU Replication Attempts
Post by: xilusma on July 03, 2017, 12:37:55 PM
Sorry to interrupt guys.. Don't know where to put this... just to share... remember the story about imploding TV... but this one about imploding vacuum tube... more precisely.. the power vacuum tube 5U4G ... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qs4ZvkC2N4s  (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qs4ZvkC2N4s)


Hope this will fresh up some memories...


Regards,
Title: Re: A Simple Question About TPU Replication Attempts
Post by: e2matrix on July 04, 2017, 05:53:06 PM
Sorry to interrupt guys.. Don't know where to put this... just to share... remember the story about imploding TV... but this one about imploding vacuum tube... more precisely.. the power vacuum tube 5U4G ... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qs4ZvkC2N4s  (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qs4ZvkC2N4s)


Hope this will fresh up some memories...


Regards,


Not really too unusual as it IS a vacuum tube so air is evacuated from it and if that very thin glass gets too hot it the vacuum inside will suck in air.   Probably was under too much load or something shorted in a circuit to cause this. 
Title: Re: A Simple Question About TPU Replication Attempts
Post by: giantkiller on July 29, 2017, 10:11:29 PM
Really?

I've never seen these pictures (or at least I don't recall seeing them), and I also doubt they came from SM. But if you have some evidence that they did, I'm interested in reading about it.  :)

These are the accompanying schematics.
Title: Re: A Simple Question About TPU Replication Attempts
Post by: giantkiller on July 29, 2017, 10:34:38 PM
And while I am at it:
A trip down memory lane:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8HVA00LnKBc (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8HVA00LnKBc)

As with all these devices we agitate the field and capture the activity.
Pretty simple really. Don't be fooled by explanations, dissertations, blatherers, complex builds or intense configurations.

Kunel patent, Mueller, Smith, Johnson, EVGray.
With motors, we push on the return of the field bounce to propel the armature.