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Author Topic: Leedskalnin's Perpetual Motion Holder in Electic form  (Read 29534 times)

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Re: Leedskalnin's Perpetual Motion Holder in Electic form
« Reply #60 on: April 23, 2017, 03:05:16 PM »
If the magnetic field is proportional to electron flow  through a coil what happens when the magnetic field exceeds electron flow.

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Re: Leedskalnin's Perpetual Motion Holder in Electic form
« Reply #61 on: April 25, 2017, 12:22:32 AM »
If the magnetic field is proportional to electron flow  through a coil what happens when the magnetic field exceeds electron flow.

According to the patent from Energy-Transfer Systems  3,085,189


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It will be realised with Lenzs law in mind, that the electron motion tends to be equal and opposite to the electron motion which gives rise to the travelling wave, that is, the motion is a rotational one about the lines of magnetic force with a longitudinal drift superposed. Work is done in producing a net acceleration of the electrons, and consequently there is introduced a substantial resistive component into the network.


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Re: Leedskalnin's Perpetual Motion Holder in Electic form
« Reply #62 on: December 01, 2022, 09:09:20 PM »
The above quote is absolutely correct.
And for this reason such “electric PMH’s” could
only exist inside a material that exhibits superconducting properties:


However, inside a PMH, in the magnetic vector, there still exists the
Atomic Magnetic Moment.


I think I understand now, the full perspective of the original discovery.
This was made in the late 1890’s, published in the 1900’s in the
 British Royal Society scientific journal, which Ed. subscribed to.


And, as far as history tells us, he was the only scientist to have advanced this
beyond a scientific anomaly.


At first I thought Ed. was a fraud, a plagiarist; a Robert Ripley.
Taking known science and making a trickery out of it.


But now, i’m thinking he was like one of us.
A curious mind willing to ignore what we were told and loom at what happens if….


Under any perspective:


The loop, once established, contains a magnetic moment in the vector perpendicular
to the electric phase.


In the ideal case of a perfect circle (or spiral if you want to be exact with your decimals)
It requires an input of energy to destabilize the system.
each magnetic moment being intertwined with the one before and after it.
Alligned with those next to it.


Exactly how we form a permanent magnet, except instead of using the air
the flux loop is contained entirely within the paramagnetic material.
 

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Re: Leedskalnin's Perpetual Motion Holder in Electic form
« Reply #63 on: December 01, 2022, 09:15:06 PM »
That is to say the “magnetic flux”


But Maxwell tells us, the electric flux is perpendicular


And at atomic frequencies must be moving


The works of Ed’s descendant
(relation by uncle I believe, forgive me for not remembering his name)


Vinny St. Vincent (a YouTube content producer)


And David Lambright (former member of our forum)


have provided enough data to deduce that a moving electric vector
Exists in the PMH, independent of the physical (detectable) location
of the magnetic field in motion.

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Re: Leedskalnin's Perpetual Motion Holder in Electic form
« Reply #64 on: December 01, 2022, 09:17:31 PM »
According to a transitional differential between Einstein’s and Maxwell’s equations:


The “wheel” created by Ed Leedskalnin may exhibit time dilation effects,
with respect to inductance.

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Re: Leedskalnin's Perpetual Motion Holder in Electic form
« Reply #65 on: December 01, 2022, 09:21:04 PM »
I’m probably not going to be the scientist that derives the magnetic equivalent to a nuclear reactor
But, i will say that its not necessarily outside the mathematics of the situation.

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Re: Leedskalnin's Perpetual Motion Holder in Electic form
« Reply #66 on: December 09, 2022, 02:52:18 PM »
Maxwell predicts that the magnetic moment is perpendicular to the electric field.


For a flux path entirely within the magnetized material in a loop:
This tells us there is a transient electric moment
and with a lot of math, i believe we could predict the frequency





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Re: Leedskalnin's Perpetual Motion Holder in Electic form
« Reply #68 on: December 18, 2022, 02:21:06 PM »
Take the Hex-Nut version of the device:


Original by Russ (think he said he was Ed’s great nephew)
https://youtu.be/YhiAIsJCS9Y


Experimental replication
https://youtu.be/rWxNlPnwHtw


Now it may be possible in some cases to experience the electric flux
between any two adjacent outer points of the nuts.
However, the space between the ‘gap’ in the second video has a much
greater electric flux component, i believe this is caused by the
transition of the magnetic path through from one medium to the other.


One being ferrous, the other being air.
(can we make magnetic air loops?) weird….


Theres definitely electric action occurring.
This may be due to the reluctance, and the fact that the material is not
‘permanently’ magnetized.
And yes this works with ferrite inductor core pieces arranged in a similar loop


And even “non-ferrous” materials in some cases.
(I have not experimented with diamagnetic materials)


It may be interesting to research the performance of inductors under
“looped” and “non-looped” magnetic conditions.


Meaning the same arrangement, but one with the magnetic loop present
and one with the loop turned “off”.
Forming a sort of solid-state variable/switchable inductance.


My personal interests however, are in the solid-state electrical activity that
goes on while the loop is “on”.
Which appears to be Atomic-Electric in nature.




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Re: Leedskalnin's Perpetual Motion Holder in Electic form
« Reply #69 on: December 18, 2022, 02:34:23 PM »
If we have 2 opposing coils placed on a toroid ferrite core:


The same (perpetual) magnetic loop is formed in the ferrite toroid.


To “prove this”: you place an LED across the 2 coils and cut/break the ferrite
This results in a flash of the LED (and a loss of a perfectly good toroid).


However in a symmetrical toroid, there is almost no perceived electric flux outside
of the core. The magnetism changes vectors in a consistent pathway.
But a toroid with a ‘zig-zag’ on one section: between the zig and zag, there is an
electric flux.


The Split Tube version of the device produces wavelike flux patterns,
which can be detected electrically, as well as observed through optical diffraction.




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Re: Leedskalnin's Perpetual Motion Holder in Electic form
« Reply #70 on: December 22, 2022, 01:31:25 PM »
One subject of curiosity here:
Does an internal change in magnetism affect the mass of the materials?


1) does a magnetized magnet have more mass than a non-magnetized one?
(I.e: does the material gain mass when we magnetize it?


2) does a PMH change in mass between its’ “on” and “off” states?


In short, the answer is no.


The long answer: a portion of the energy converts into heat and electromagnetism.
A portion is “consumed” by reorientation of internal magnetic domains.


Problem:
the ‘natural state’ of a paramagnetic material is scattered domains.
Therefore, while it is under magnetic influence, the internal potential energy is increased.


E=mc^2
So where is the mass?

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Re: Leedskalnin's Perpetual Motion Holder in Electic form
« Reply #71 on: December 22, 2022, 01:49:38 PM »
To answer the above we turn to special relativity:


Which tells us we need something better than a superconductor
A “hyperconductor” would allow electron drift velocities to reach relativistic values.
And in such a state, changes in mass would become non-trivial.


So we see the answer is only no because of our perspective.
This boils down to the T^2 component of c^2
Changes in mass are proportional to the square root of changes in Time.
Which is a relative quantity.


This is the momentum component of mass


So, while yes, we are changing the momentum, the effect is so very tiny we cannot consider a change in effective mass from our perspective.

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Re: Leedskalnin's Perpetual Motion Holder in Electic form
« Reply #72 on: December 22, 2022, 01:59:09 PM »
Now that we got THAT out of the way:


Let’s examine the change in energy of the system, between the ‘on’ and ‘off’ states:


This is a cascading effect, one atom affecting the ones around it, and so on.
The difference in potential energy of each of the individual magnetic domains, adding together
balances out around the loop. However, individually or even in groups of interconnected domains:
The differences exist.
So as one domain tries to reestablish its natural orientation, the domains around it pass energy into the affected domain to keep it in orientation.


In the case of a permanent magnet, or a ‘closed loop’ PMH:
This takes place entirely internally. Therefore no external changes in energy are observable.


However, in the case of broken-loops and partially open loops:
these changes occur in a cyclical process which translates to a specific frequency.
In most cases this is in the IR (or lower) spectrum.


And should be detectable

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Re: Leedskalnin's Perpetual Motion Holder in Electic form
« Reply #73 on: December 22, 2022, 02:10:43 PM »
So:
How do we detect EHF radiation emanating from a PMH?


This is not entirely clear: there may be some off the shelf detectors


David Lambright used an infrared camera


but perhaps an antenna or receiver of some sort,
or even a resonant cavity or device
Such would be in the 50-500 Ghz range in most materials.


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Re: Leedskalnin's Perpetual Motion Holder in Electic form
« Reply #74 on: December 24, 2022, 10:45:07 PM »
In a capacitor, electricity “stays” because it is held apart.
Like sticking 2 magnets together.


They want to go together but there is a space between the opposite poles


To solve this with capacitors, we would create a resonant circuit
This works, but there are losses and it is not perpetual


And while we may be able to make a similar “magnetic” resonator…
The same losses would occur.


The PMH is different. It allows the primal force to continue in a loop.


We can connect 2 capacitors together,
But each will hold half of the charge, and both charges (+/-) will not move…


We need to remove the dielectric


But such would result in electric annihilation.


So, why is magnetism different?
Magnetism flowing together does not annihilate


But rather engages in reducing multiplication, like a candle between 2 mirrors.
In a closed cylinder, the ‘infinite candle’ produces ‘infinite light’,
this is only in the mathematical sense, because the cylinder mirror is not destroyed
But in theory, it remains perpetual, and
 100% of the light is extractable the instant the looped cylinder mirror is broken


What we’re talking about may be as simple as charging a superconducting toroid.
And as long as we harvested its’ radiation from a distance too great to cause losses in its’
transformation: perhaps this could be a raw energy source