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Author Topic: Leedskalnin's Perpetual Motion Holder in Electic form  (Read 13487 times)

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Re: Leedskalnin's Perpetual Motion Holder in Electic form
« Reply #30 on: April 04, 2017, 02:52:27 PM »
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There is no mystery in Leedskalnin's Perpetual Motion Holder. It exploits simple phenomena of soft magnetic materials HYSTERESIS. Soft iron once magnetized  it keeps domains aligned, and as it is in closed loop - this magnetism keeps the steel bar attached to "U" bar. You need to insert some energy to destroy domains aligment and align them in opposite side. That's why every transformer has energy loses due to hysteresis.

This doesn't explain, why such a material must be encircled with closed wire coil for to manifest itself. BTW just the soft magnetic materials have hysteresis eliminated. If you would remove (or just interrupt) the coil, you would see immediately, that the remanent magnetization or hysteresis has absolutely nothing to do with  Leedskalnin's effect.


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Re: Leedskalnin's Perpetual Motion Holder in Electic form
« Reply #31 on: April 04, 2017, 09:31:01 PM »
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Re: Leedskalnin's Perpetual Motion Holder in Electic form
« Reply #32 on: April 04, 2017, 09:41:51 PM »
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Re: Leedskalnin's Perpetual Motion Holder in Electic form
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Re: Leedskalnin's Perpetual Motion Holder in Electic form
« Reply #33 on: April 04, 2017, 11:49:51 PM »
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Re: Leedskalnin's Perpetual Motion Holder in Electic form
« Reply #34 on: April 05, 2017, 11:00:57 AM »

This doesn't explain, why such a material must be encircled with closed wire coil for to manifest itself. BTW just the soft magnetic materials have hysteresis eliminated. If you would remove (or just interrupt) the coil, you would see immediately, that the remanent magnetization or hysteresis has absolutely nothing to do with  Leedskalnin's effect.


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No, it doesn't need to be encircled with CLOSED wire coil for manifest residual magnetism.
Every hysteresis loop chart of soft steel is "wide", only special magnetic steels like Permalloy has very narrow hysteresis loop to reduce magnetization losses.
Please look at those replications on YouTube. I did also my own experiment.
All this Leedskalnin stuff is related to hysteresis of soft magnetic steels .Basic stuff from high shool physics lessons. No mystery.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnetic_hysteresis
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rWxNlPnwHtw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oa4oBUBSEzs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=832qz3s1M-s


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Re: Leedskalnin's Perpetual Motion Holder in Electic form
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Re: Leedskalnin's Perpetual Motion Holder in Electic form
« Reply #35 on: April 05, 2017, 12:10:23 PM »
I indeed know about magnetic hysteresis, but this is not what the Leedskalnin's effect is about, as it works even with extremely soft magnetic materials without any residual ferromagnetism, like the ferrite cores.
Ledskalnin's effect is just about mimicking of remanence effect with external coil. You didn't understand the subject, sorry.

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Re: Leedskalnin's Perpetual Motion Holder in Electic form
« Reply #36 on: April 05, 2017, 12:25:51 PM »

I indeed know about magnetic hysteresis, but this is not what the Leedskalnin's effect is about, as it works even with extremely soft magnetic materials without any residual ferromagnetism, like the ferrite cores.
Ledskalnin's effect is just about mimicking of remanence effect with external coil. You didn't understand the subject, sorry.


I do understand perfectly.
Every magnetic material has residual magnetic properties, some more, some less.
You did stated that to manifest Leedskalnin effect coil has to be closed- and I showed that it is not true.
Magnetic residual field is inherent to all magnetic materials, and as long as you keep magnetic loop closed after magnetization- it stays there. To eliminate this residual magnetization some energy must be used to create opposite direction magnetic field to cancel residual magnetization. How much magnetic energy has to be used- you can see looking at hysteresis loop of given material.
It is called "Degaussing". And it is that energy lost in power AC transformers.
Sorry, no mystery here.

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Re: Leedskalnin's Perpetual Motion Holder in Electic form
« Reply #37 on: April 05, 2017, 01:01:18 PM »

I do understand perfectly.
Every magnetic material has residual magnetic properties, some more, some less.
You did stated that to manifest Leedskalnin effect coil has to be closed- and I showed that it is not true.
Magnetic residual field is inherent to all magnetic materials, and as long as you keep magnetic loop closed after magnetization- it stays there. To eliminate this residual magnetization some energy must be used to create opposite direction magnetic field to cancel residual magnetization. How much magnetic energy has to be used- you can see looking at hysteresis loop of given material.
It is called "Degaussing". And it is that energy lost in power AC transformers.
Sorry, no mystery here.

That is not correct.
The PMH effect is not due to residual magnetization,as once the loop is broken,there is no need to degause the magnetic material.
This can be seen when using a ferrite core-no residual magnetization remains once the loop is broken.

Try finding the north and south end of this !residual! field,in the looped PMH.


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Re: Leedskalnin's Perpetual Motion Holder in Electic form
« Reply #38 on: April 05, 2017, 01:30:23 PM »

That is not correct.
The PMH effect is not due to residual magnetization,as once the loop is broken,there is no need to degause the magnetic material.
This can be seen when using a ferrite core-no residual magnetization remains once the loop is broken.

Try finding the north and south end of this !residual! field,in the looped PMH.


Brad
This depends from magnetic material. Some soft steels keeps residual magnetic properties , like nails magnetized by strong neodymium magnet.
In the case of soft steel, as long as magnetic loop stays  closed steel domains stays aligned , once loop is broken ( energy is used) residual magnetism no longer exists because for domains less energetic state is when they are misaligned.
Anyway, if You still like to search for "free energy Holy Grail" in Ed Leedskalnins "magnet" feel feree :-)

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Re: Leedskalnin's Perpetual Motion Holder in Electic form
« Reply #38 on: April 05, 2017, 01:30:23 PM »
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Re: Leedskalnin's Perpetual Motion Holder in Electic form
« Reply #39 on: April 05, 2017, 02:14:38 PM »
Ed did not use ferite materials. The PMH is not about residual fields. It can be used to clarify a number of theories and used as tool or device for observations. Building one is a ok project but you can also use the electric break section from a wheel chair motor. I had one stayed charge for a number of years even thought i lost it or threw it away at one point but it turned up in a small decorative wicker basket. I think it was sitting for about 5 yrs. I flashed it with a 12 volt battery and left it . Inside the break is a hefty spring that will push the keeper away if the magnet is turned off. When I broke the connection of the wires the keeper flew off and bounced off a wall.
  It really just locks the flux into an endless loop so long as the wires are connected the same way an endless loop. Break the wire connection and the field collapses. I would venture a guess if you were able to break the keeper away and you were prepared for it as a test you could measure a temperature rise in the coil if it was kept connected when the keeper is forced apart. It proves if a magnetic field is given a path that is a continuous loop and if the flux was created with a current that is looped they will continue indefinitely. It's all about closed loops, ya know that thing that eludes so many. The impossible non existing possibility that there might be something more then a beginning and end to everything. Everything is born and everything dies. So where did it come from and where did it go? Poof in and poof out I guess. 

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Re: Leedskalnin's Perpetual Motion Holder in Electic form
« Reply #40 on: April 05, 2017, 03:18:50 PM »
Ed did not use ferite materials. The PMH is not about residual fields. It can be used to clarify a number of theories and used as tool or device for observations. Building one is a ok project but you can also use the electric break section from a wheel chair motor. I had one stayed charge for a number of years even thought i lost it or threw it away at one point but it turned up in a small decorative wicker basket. I think it was sitting for about 5 yrs. I flashed it with a 12 volt battery and left it . Inside the break is a hefty spring that will push the keeper away if the magnet is turned off. When I broke the connection of the wires the keeper flew off and bounced off a wall.
  It really just locks the flux into an endless loop so long as the wires are connected the same way an endless loop. Break the wire connection and the field collapses. I would venture a guess if you were able to break the keeper away and you were prepared for it as a test you could measure a temperature rise in the coil if it was kept connected when the keeper is forced apart. It proves if a magnetic field is given a path that is a continuous loop and if the flux was created with a current that is looped they will continue indefinitely. It's all about closed loops, ya know that thing that eludes so many. The impossible non existing possibility that there might be something more then a beginning and end to everything. Everything is born and everything dies. So where did it come from and where did it go? Poof in and poof out I guess.

Doug

The wires do not have to remain connected-the coil can be open once the keeper is magnetically locked.


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Re: Leedskalnin's Perpetual Motion Holder in Electic form
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« Reply #41 on: April 05, 2017, 07:28:38 PM »
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The wires do not have to remain connected-the coil can be open once the keeper is magnetically locked.

But after then it's just the magnetic remanence effect, which @pix is talking here.
Once we use ferrite with no remanence, then we'll see the true Leeskalnin effect.

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Re: Leedskalnin's Perpetual Motion Holder in Electic form
« Reply #42 on: April 07, 2017, 02:28:59 AM »
I congratulate to  sm0ky2 for start this thread and the way that how he has been share these information to us.
And to Other guys with excelent knowlege!  ;D             
Iknow that the PMH is the KEY but...  I have been trying to know how the PMH work and I have some questions.
What is exactly in moving?  ???
can I test this moving?  ???
why or how it put more speed to electron? :-\

Thanks!

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Re: Leedskalnin's Perpetual Motion Holder in Electic form
« Reply #43 on: April 07, 2017, 05:25:11 AM »
there are several attempts to explain rhe PMH. Maybe the most plausible is, both sides are temporarily magnetized and each side prevents the other side from relaxing the magnetic domains.


Even if trivial, it does contain a nifty effect that may be exploited somehow.


I don't think anything is moving tho.

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Re: Leedskalnin's Perpetual Motion Holder in Electic form
« Reply #44 on: April 07, 2017, 05:45:24 AM »
Well let's take this a little further.


Assume we'd have a torus core instead. If we pulse it once, the core will hold the magnetism idefinitely. like the PMH. This were the first Rams, a bit each core. Anyway. Now, assume our secondary pickup coil is at load only after the pulse ended. If the core now somehow leaks magnetism then the strength will drop and current will flow, while the primary being passive, is not affected, or could even work in pickup mode temporarily too.


How to make a toroid leak? Maybe by injecting ultrashort counterpulses, to initiate a recursively exponentional domain relaxation? Maybe by a short cut over the center? Or by external fields? We do not need to compensate a PM here, only initiate the natural relaxation.


Interesting stuff.

 

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