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Title: Pulling energy from the ambient energy field using a coil capacitor
Post by: Jack Noskills on February 09, 2017, 01:41:34 PM
This is too long for a post so I made a PDF, attached. Abstract of the PDF is copied below:
 
Abstract
Today it is well known what electricity does. We can create, control and measure it as we please but we still don’t seem to know what this energy is. What physical phenomena occurring in the movement of charge is giving power to our electrical systems. This paper presents a theory about electricity which explains what electrical energy is, where it comes from and how to access it efficiently at low cost using coils as capacitors. This theory is derived from Coulomb’s law and from some well known laws of electricity. Schematics and some preliminary test results of a prototype device are shown that operates using the presented theory. The device could in theory produce over 150 watts using less than 20 watts.
 
snippet from the PDF:
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Shortly I will describe a simple system that will prove the following items to be true:
1. Ambient energy field exists and it is everywhere.
2. Electrical systems use energy from this field. Unfortunately all access methods to ambient energy field are under unity.
3. Current flow and energy flow are two different things and it is possible to separate them.
4. Current flow through load is not necessary to power it.
5. It is possible to access the ambient energy field using a device that outputs more energy than what is required to operate it.
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There should be enough information in the PDF for replication. My internet connection is slow so I won’t be commenting or even following this thread. I will read PM’s but rarely.
Title: Re: Pulling energy from the ambient energy field using a coil capacitor
Post by: dieter on February 09, 2017, 02:02:39 PM
Downloaded, will read it later, thanks.
kr
Title: Re: Pulling energy from the ambient energy field using a coil capacitor
Post by: Magnethos on February 09, 2017, 06:43:05 PM
Hello Jack, thank you for the pdf file.
At the moment I have little time to read, but I will reply to this post.


The capcoil technique seems to be very interesting. I am just printing the pdf to read it.
Title: Re: Pulling energy from the ambient energy field using a coil capacitor
Post by: Magnethos on February 09, 2017, 07:16:18 PM
I have read a little of the document fast and it looks very good.
I would suggest to read also another document that can be complementary of Jacknoskills' one. If someone is interested in the second document, let me know it here and I will search and publish here the name of the document.
Title: Re: Pulling energy from the ambient energy field using a coil capacitor
Post by: penno64 on February 09, 2017, 08:41:04 PM
Welcome back Jack

Regards
Title: Re: Pulling energy from the ambient energy field using a coil capacitor
Post by: partzman on February 09, 2017, 09:47:05 PM
I have read a little of the document fast and it looks very good.
I would suggest to read also another document that can be complementary of Jacknoskills' one. If someone is interested in the second document, let me know it here and I will search and publish here the name of the document.

Magnethos,

I would appreciate it if you would post the pdf document you mentioned.

pm
Title: Re: Pulling energy from the ambient energy field using a coil capacitor
Post by: Magnethos on February 09, 2017, 10:54:31 PM
Magnethos,

I would appreciate it if you would post the pdf document you mentioned.

pm
I have the book in paper, so I don't have a link.
They are two books, called "Energy conserver theory" George Wiseman.


The book explains:
"Heat, light and magnetism are side affects of electron flow and do not 'consume' electricity." 'Electricity' is lost in conventional circuits when the source neutralizes itself (electron density equalizes)"[/size]

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It explains more detailed than JackNoSkills pdf document and it explains very similar theories. Wiseman also explains about "electron density equalization".[/size]
Title: Re: Pulling energy from the ambient energy field using a coil capacitor
Post by: aether22 on February 10, 2017, 03:53:19 AM
For anyone confused about electricity, Aetheric induced anomolies aside, for the most part, an analogy of water pipes does nicely...


A capacitor becomes a flexible springy membrane in the middle of a tank with water evacuating one side and more going in the other (this also has the effect of electrostatic induction where something happening on one side effects the other, just like a real capacitor, the 2 sides effect each other)


A load is something like a turbine/propeller that is turned by the water, it resists the flow of water and does not use water up, but it does use up energy.


A battery is a pump.


Pressure waves move faster through the water than the water itself moves.


The first place where the analogy fails is that while you can simulate self inductance/impedance with just a bunch of coiled pipe, a transformer analogy is not straight forward.


The point though is that the same things apply, only one thing moves.
You don't need more water in the same way electrical circuits don't run out of electrons.


What is used up is the energy which can exist as either a pressure in the capacitor (pressure and vacuum) or as that is converted into momentum, anything that resists the flow is using up the energy.


How do you get Free Energy?  You don't do this by working within this system or within these rules.  There is no Free Energy to be found in closed systems at this level.  You need to involve the aether which is real and encountered by the demonstration of various anomalies in every real Free Energy technology.


It just so happens that a coil with a capacitor as one unit is perfect foe inducing a powerful vortex in the aether is done right!


The reason is that there are 2 main types of aetheric energy, positive and negative, and they tend to move in opposite directions, and in doing so they create a lot of friction and this slows it down, but you can polarize the aether with a capacitor, this helps move the 2 types enough apart that this friction does not occur, these aetheric energies are also subjected to centrifugal forces and the the centripetal  force a radial electric field has on what-ever aetheric charge is pulled in (depending on the way you change the cap of course) means that this change can move very very fast before flying out of this gap!


So I suspect this is going on in the original Poster's device.



Title: Re: Pulling energy from the ambient energy field using a coil capacitor
Post by: dieter on March 05, 2017, 09:24:00 PM
I finally read your pdf, Jack, several times. Great work! And very generous to open source it. It is fascinating that you basicly power a lightbulb without a cirquit of current flow! And the diode tunneling is just awesome. It may be caused by the tiny buildup time (nanoseconds) during which a diode does not block, but even if so, there are still the other tremendously weird things, like bypassing high resistors, indicating dynamic voltage between a fixed potential, probably driven by the earths' electric negativity?


Great stuff, I hope I'll experiment with this asap.


I have several ideas, one is a 555, running at full speed at maybe 500kHz, the signal has just a very short space time, most is Mark / high. So I run this trough a NAND gate to invert it, now the 555 gives me a very short pulse at 500kHz, maybe a 5% duty. That I feed into a high/radio frequency transistor, giving me maybe the right pulse for your coils.


Then I got a 6kV dc stepup device that runs on 2x AA cells, capable of kicking butts literarly with horsepowers (oh man that hurt, just regained some respect...), which I could pulse with a spark gap, the back EMF would surely reach 60kV... probably need some robust coil design here ^^


Thanks for sharing.
kr
Title: Re: Pulling energy from the ambient energy field using a coil capacitor
Post by: tsl on March 07, 2017, 12:08:39 AM
Why do i have to think about Hans Coler's Stromerzeuger after reading your idea?  ;D
Nice work  ;)
Title: Re: Pulling energy from the ambient energy field using a coil capacitor
Post by: Kator01 on March 27, 2017, 02:11:27 AM
Hello Jack,

you might like this guy. He is a scientist. His name is Eugene Jeong

His website

http://dipoleantigravity.blogspot.de/ (http://dipoleantigravity.blogspot.de/)

move down to the embedded vid which is of importance: "physiscs of free energy device" and on to "Tachyonic Universe"

The vid in youtube is here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EB-jWfzkz_E (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EB-jWfzkz_E)

Definition of self-energy: second sentence of first paragraph


best regards

Mike
Title: Re: Pulling energy from the ambient energy field using a coil capacitor
Post by: Zephir on March 27, 2017, 02:23:17 AM
Shortly I will describe a simple system that will prove the following items to be true:
1. Ambient energy field exists and it is everywhere.
2. Electrical systems use energy from this field. Unfortunately all access methods to ambient energy field are under unity.
3. Current flow and energy flow are two different things and it is possible to separate them.
4. Current flow through load is not necessary to power it.
5. It is possible to access the ambient energy field using a device that outputs more energy than what is required to operate it.
IMO you're describing Captret device (http://www.overunity.com/13320/increase-ou-of-captret). It probably works rather like the battery (http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/6732-captret-destroys-capacitors.html)
Title: Re: Pulling energy from the ambient energy field using a coil capacitor
Post by: dieter on March 27, 2017, 02:43:40 AM
As far as I see Jacks Capcoils have nothing to do with Captret. Captret turned out to be a voltaic pile battery, as per John Hutchisons analysis.


Jacks Coils are the magnetic twin of the abravmenko plug (or what was his name?). Two secondaries with high capacitance to eachother. One end of each is unconnected. The other two ends are the output (!).
The primary induces a field in the secondaries, despite the fact, that they are connected to something only at one end of each coil. Instead of current flow you get a potential diffrence only. Like in a cap. Then the field collapses, causing a current flow between ground and these open coils. It is at least a 100% reactive.


It's a great pdf, must read.
Title: Re: Pulling energy from the ambient energy field using a coil capacitor
Post by: Zephir on March 27, 2017, 02:56:05 AM
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Captret turned out to be a voltaic pile battery, as per John Hutchisons analysis
Hutchinson is crazy freak with blurry shaky videos of hanging things lifted by threads. Anyone who is believing, he does "analysis" is even more desperate case than just him. The Captret can really work like the battery, but unfortunately the cheap aluminium oxide capacitors aren't the best way how to demonstrate it. They have large leaking current and of course electrolyte, which corrodes the electrodes. But no battery can charge capacitor to a voltage higher than 3.6 V. Once the voltage increases even more - then you have an effect, which is impossible to explain electrochemically.
Title: Re: Pulling energy from the ambient energy field using a coil capacitor
Post by: dieter on March 27, 2017, 03:32:07 AM
You speak in riddles my friend: I just charged a cap to 7vdc, using a 9v block battery - why shouldn't that work?


Don't wanna go too muchoff topuc, but... anyone who's not a crazy freak is suspicous to me, in a world in which normality is delusive and antisocial.


I doubt he uses threads, but agreed, he szresses the term "zero point energy" a lot in his concrete-fluor (I guess) batteries.


Interesting parallels between his metal desintegration, the real philadelphia project (by navy, shortly after navy plundered teslas vault in 1943) and the "toasted cars" anomaly close to the twins in the 911 incident.


But like I said, lets stay on topic. Maybe you've got a link to the "real" captret effect explained?
kr
Title: Re: Pulling energy from the ambient energy field using a coil capacitor
Post by: Jack Noskills on April 07, 2017, 12:27:54 PM
Shortened the future development list and added them in the behavior section. I was able to solve some issues:
‘Using both outputs of the coil pair simultaneously’, look at figures 6 and 7.This also seemed to solve the coil insulation problem.
Most likely found a solution to convert the ambient energy flow into hot electricity using a capacitor.
Otherwise some minor corrections through the whole document.
Title: Re: Pulling energy from the ambient energy field using a coil capacitor
Post by: wistiti on April 07, 2017, 03:21:14 PM
Thank you Jack for freelly sharing your work.
It is appreciate!!! :)
Title: Re: Pulling energy from the ambient energy field using a coil capacitor
Post by: ramset on April 07, 2017, 04:00:41 PM
Truly grateful

did start a topic here also

http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/20728-open-source-ambient-harvesting-coil-capacitor.html

the more eyes the better

respectfully
Chet K
Title: Re: Pulling energy from the ambient energy field using a coil capacitor
Post by: nelsonrochaa on April 07, 2017, 05:07:31 PM
Shortened the future development list and added them in the behavior section. I was able to solve some issues:
‘Using both outputs of the coil pair simultaneously’, look at figures 6 and 7.This also seemed to solve the coil insulation problem.
Most likely found a solution to convert the ambient energy flow into hot electricity using a capacitor.
Otherwise some minor corrections through the whole document.

Thanks ,
i already read first copy that you share some weeks ago , but i will read again , because have very valid points and need to be read more than one time  .
could you describe the ref of your GDT ? Myself made some tests years ago but my GDT are of lower voltage (Max 200V ) and i could see that goes to very high temperature , and i read in your paper that you observe the same behavior . Did it change when you put them in series ?

Thank by your contribution

Cheers

Nelson Rocha
Title: Re: Pulling energy from the ambient energy field using a coil capacitor
Post by: AlienGrey on April 07, 2017, 09:02:32 PM
Truly grateful

did start a topic here also

http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/20728-open-source-ambient-harvesting-coil-capacitor.html

the more eyes the better

respectfully
Chet K
Hi I don't suppose yo can repost Energetic Forum post your referring to here I just keep going round in circles on there !

That forum reminds me of that roadside drive through where you pay to get in but once you pays your money the gates open and you drive through, your back outside ;)
Title: Re: Pulling energy from the ambient energy field using a coil capacitor
Post by: shylo on April 07, 2017, 09:53:53 PM
Jack have you tried adding diodes of the opposite polarity to the beginnings and ends ,of your figures 6&7.
Perhaps the new path gives what you call ambient to flow.
I think what people perceive as ambient is just really part of the function of creating flow to begin with.
I don't understand spark gaps, seems like alot of waste to me.
artv
Title: Re: Pulling energy from the ambient energy field using a coil capacitor
Post by: iflewmyown on April 08, 2017, 01:54:09 AM
I'll say one thing, that is the first time I have ever seen an electromagnet coil glowing blue. The next ones will be vacuumed packed in oil.
Garry
Title: Re: Pulling energy from the ambient energy field using a coil capacitor
Post by: ramset on April 08, 2017, 02:46:51 AM
Aliengrey
the thread there is just a mirror to this one,

there are many good fellows there [who read ] and that forum makes a big effort to get new readers.

here is your request again.
http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/20728-open-source-ambient-harvesting-coil-capacitor.html

it should take you there ,but not much going on yet

respectfully
Chet K
Title: Re: Pulling energy from the ambient energy field using a coil capacitor
Post by: dieter on April 08, 2017, 09:50:15 PM
@Jack, thanks for the update.


@Shylo, spargaps are said to be lossy due to heat etc. But that does ignore some phenomena, such as the Thownsend electron avalange. Teslas abrubtly interrupted arcs are an other example. Current, trying to maintain it's flow. If it can pull in ambient energy to do so, then it will do so.


Also it is a simple square wave oscillator for high voltage. I had a 3kV module running from 2*1.5V batteries (at 2.6V) running the whole night, practicly shortened with the sparkgap.


@all, just a qustion, why are there only 12 threads listed on the home page anymore? it sucks.
Title: Re: Pulling energy from the ambient energy field using a coil capacitor
Post by: NRamaswami on April 09, 2017, 06:18:09 AM
@Jack Thanks for the pdf. I have already tested using much higher power levels and much bigger wires these concepts and a lot of what you have written is true. I have not experimented with the second type of coil that you indicated and so would need to test it. I have pulled in energy from the Ambient field using a different method and it is real.

Spark Gaps disturb the surrounding medium that contains what is called Universal Life Force or Prana. Very high and very powerful output can be extracted when this force is activated. We can get very high Voltage and Very High Amperage both together and a small input alone is needed to achieve it. I have tested them all already. But I had also been told that such frequencies are banned from commercial useage. So has not written about it.

This is one of the rarest times that instead of abusing others a pdf that actually provides open source information of high quality is posted here and the information is genuine. The author who deserves our respect and gratitude apprantly does not have the means to test at high power input levels and that would require multifilar coils of many layers to restrict the input if it is AC due to inductive impedance and high resistance coils if the input is DC.

@Dieter..Can you please send me your circuit. I can have it replicated in future and share what we observe.

Regards,

Ramaswami

Title: Re: Pulling energy from the ambient energy field using a coil capacitor
Post by: Jack Noskills on April 10, 2017, 02:19:27 PM
Trying to answer all raised questions,
Cannot take pictures because my camera was smashed to pieces. Don't ask why.
I use GDTs simply because they are the only suitable option for me, I cannot do IGBT magic. GDTs are are good for prototyping but they should be changed to solid state. People build solid state Tesla coils so solid state should work also with this system.
I am not planning to do anymore tests. There are already plenty of interesting things going on that deserve another look. The next step is to study for resonance effects. This is beyond my level at the moment though. It took considerable effort from the WTF moment I had one year ago to get to this point. So it would be great to get help from other experimenters to reach the next level which is resonance study.
I stress again the importance of using low input power when playing with resonance. Do take safety measures written in the pdf seriously and follow them. This is to protect your coils, your equipment and even yourself. But as an experienced developer you already know this.
My net is still slow so I cannot follow what is going here. All the info that is needed for replication is in the pdf.
When you see and hear the white spark for the first time and you realize that it is energy without electrical current you have taken the first step. To achieve this is a very simple task to do and it will bring you to the same level with me. Then the road ahead is now open for you to explore.
 Thx for paying attention, bye for now.[/font]
Title: Re: Pulling energy from the ambient energy field using a coil capacitor
Post by: dieter on April 11, 2017, 01:41:34 PM
What would you say is the minimum in volts and amps that is required for the pulses fed into the final primary? What the min and max frequency? Is the duty ratio low/high in any way critical?


Should this effect be observable (even tho limited) when a trifilar coil is used, one winding as the primary and the other two as the open coil according to your design?


Would it make sense to try this with a 3vK HV module, directly over a sparkgap, with some heavily insulated wire?


Does it have to be a torroid core? Would a ferrite bar 12cm x 1cm work too?


thanks.

Title: Re: Pulling energy from the ambient energy field using a coil capacitor
Post by: Jack Noskills on April 13, 2017, 12:37:49 PM
I cannot comment on the frequency as I have no meters of any kind. My guess is that pulse rate does not exceed 1 kHz when using 100nf capacitor and 220V 50 Hz AC drive.[/font]
It takes longer to charge the capacitor of the driver circuit than to discharge it, hence mark/space ratio is small. According to Maxwell induction effect depends on the rate of change of the current through the inductor. So, when the current in the capacitor discharge has reached maximum value it can be turned off. There is no need to drain the capacitor. Tesla used magnetically quenched spark gaps for this purpose but we can use solid state. If we could have a solid state circuit that can control the capacitor discharge time and the rate of these discharges then it would be perfect for resonance testing.[/font]


When you build your first test system I think it is better to make as close to original as possible. So use a closed loop ferrite core and enameled wire. When you got the basic effect you can then change the setup one part at a time and observe what is good and what is not. If this is not possible then you need to experiment with the parameters. I think this system will work with any kind of core and that the simplest coiling solution is the best. It is better to keep the primary and output coils separated. My opinion, not tested.[/font]
Title: Re: Pulling energy from the ambient energy field using a coil capacitor
Post by: woopy on April 15, 2017, 05:53:29 PM

Hi Jack and all

Thank you very much for sharing your work and for your very interesting PDF.

As i have a very large air coil used for other experiment on the flyback spike, i dared to use it for attempting a réplication of your system.
As i use an air coil and not a cored coil, and some lower voltage and a mosfet switch. i hope i am not completely out of topic with this test.
But anyway i am very impressed to be able to light the bulb with an open circuit as secondary.

Here a video of the test

https://youtu.be/OEaDoVnibj8

Will reread the PDF to better grasp your idea.

Laurent
Title: Re: Pulling energy from the ambient energy field using a coil capacitor
Post by: dieter on April 16, 2017, 05:36:05 AM
@Woopy, great video, thanks a lot! Very encouraging to see you actually confirmed the claim, despite the fact that your setup is rather diffrent from the original. From my point of view, the output is 100% reactive.


@Jack I wish I could stay close to the original, but I have to work with what is at hand.
I am replacing your entire pulse section by the 3kV module with a simple sparkgap. As I know that the module has a dangerous amount of power, I am pretty optimistic.


As the sparkgap may reach not more than maybe 50hz, I will use a steel core. They are ok up to 1kHz.


I wound one output coil (1mm enameled) right on the core, as in your pdf, one helix with 50 turns offset. Ontop of it sits the primary pulse coil, made from plastic insulated 1mm wire. Even if the distance between turns is big (2*0.5mm plastic), the flux will cut the outputcoil when linking with the core.
I've made the coil today, maybe test it tomorrow.
kr
Title: Re: Pulling energy from the ambient energy field using a coil capacitor
Post by: dieter on April 16, 2017, 05:50:31 AM
Oh BTW, rather interesting sparkgap feature I observed recently, when the two electrodes a the gap were just some thin wires: when the spark bridged the gap, somehow both electrodes became positive and therefor repelled eachother, and due to the flexible wire, the distance increased, which stopoed the spark. The wire was vibrating, and in that mode it worked for many hours, which is rather uncommon, almost like with a self-adjustent.
Maybe it was just coincedence that the wire had the right elasticity for this effect,ut it might be a way to quench the spark in a selfsynchronizing way.
Title: Re: Pulling energy from the ambient energy field using a coil capacitor
Post by: dieter on April 17, 2017, 01:38:09 PM
Woopy has made a successful replication and posted an excellent video on the previous page of this thread.


I thougth I mention it, as some of you may have missed it.


kr
Title: Re: Pulling energy from the ambient energy field using a coil capacitor
Post by: ramset on April 17, 2017, 02:42:31 PM
Woopy's work here
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OEaDoVnibj8&feature=youtu.be

Jack's work also being discussed here
http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/20728-open-source-ambient-harvesting-coil-capacitor.html

respectfully
Chet K
Title: Re: Pulling energy from the ambient energy field using a coil capacitor
Post by: AlienGrey on April 17, 2017, 03:40:00 PM
Woopy's work here
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OEaDoVnibj8&feature=youtu.be

Jack's work also being discussed here
http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/20728-open-source-ambient-harvesting-coil-capacitor.html

respectfully
Chet K
Who was Alexander Chernetsky and his plasma generator 1982 decided. He managed to light bulbs from a coil and a capacitor too! Why reinvent the wheel, find the info get it to work the play on improving it!


Regards AG
Title: Re: Pulling energy from the ambient energy field using a coil capacitor
Post by: dieter on April 17, 2017, 08:53:16 PM
Thanks also from me for your contributions.


I have made a quick test with the coil shown before. I have to say I'm bad in replications and the setup is far from ideal.


I had a sparkplug where Jack has the GDT. My primary was wound over the secondarie(s).


I guess the sparkgap was about 1mm or 1000vdc, which gave about 20Hz trough the 1.8 Ohm dcR coil.


No lightbulb was lit (220V, 12V car), then I tried a LED, blue 3V 100mA. It was lit a little bit, maybe 1 or 2 mA.


Unlike in Jacks and Laurents tests, the LED became brighter when I closed the two open coil ends.


By varying the sparkgap size I noticed, that the LED increased in brightness when the frequency was increased, despite the voltage going down. It seemed the output is less dependent on orimary voltage than on frequency. Also, the about 1.2 to 1 ratio of turns should have given 1000V output, but the LED wasn't destroyed.


It may be, may setup is highly inefficient in terms of basic induction, so the output current is so low that the LED can settle the voltage down.


Very interesting was the blocking diode test. I tested a LED and a schottky diode in series, one time >> and one time ><. Both times the LED was lit the same. Schottky diodes are fast, so the actual energy transfer must be very short.


So I have a current at the load, with an open coil, but in this inefficient setup only a few. I'll try to make a better test.
Title: Re: Pulling energy from the ambient energy field using a coil capacitor
Post by: Zephir on April 17, 2017, 08:58:18 PM
Quote
Why reinvent the wheel, find the info get it to work the play on improving it!

Unfortunately even Frolov wasn't able to replicate Chernetskiy plasma generator - and he had undoubtedly better info about his setup than we have.
Title: Re: Pulling energy from the ambient energy field using a coil capacitor
Post by: wistiti on April 18, 2017, 12:38:03 AM
Who was Alexander Chernetsky and his plasma generator 1982 decided. He managed to light bulbs from a coil and a capacitor too! Why reinvent the wheel, find the info get it to work the play on improving it!


Regards AG


Just curious... why did you said this device are the same....???
For me they are different...

Anyway, open bifilar (and bucking) coils at the output; really interesting...
Thank you Jack for sharing your works! It's remind me Skywatcher experiment at energetic forum "bucking cool inverter" when he/she said to have a working load with open bucking secondary....
Title: Re: Pulling energy from the ambient energy field using a coil capacitor
Post by: Jack Noskills on April 19, 2017, 08:04:38 AM

dieter and woopy, thanks for your successful replications. Now you both have a working base setup and from now on every test gives you a win-win result.


You have confirmed several things: this works with any core material and with an open loop core. Increasing the frequency increases the available output power and using mosfets instead of GDTs works too. Good stuff!


dieter, closing the other end of the output coil pair will increase the output power as both outputs are being used and connected in series. But there needs to be blocking diodes or a gap between the load and at least one output coil end. Without them the system becomes a normal transformer which might provide more power but only because the used pulsing frequency is low.


woopy, I am surprised that you got it working using air coil and without resonance. I am unable to watch your video so I don’t know the details of the setup, like the frequency you were using. Perhaps you could try to create a standing wave in your system and maybe increase the output this way.


nelsonrocha, as this works with aircore coil, maybe you could test this using your bifilar pancake coil ? You need to use blocking diodes or air gaps at the output. If you can create the basic effect then you could try to create a standing wave in the output coil and test for resonance effects.


The output power increases linearly as the pulsing frequency is increased. This is similar to a Don Smith device. Don Smith also said that at resonance the output power increases as square of frequency. What if this ‘law of squares’ rule is valid also with this system ?

Title: Re: Pulling energy from the ambient energy field using a coil capacitor
Post by: Jack Noskills on April 19, 2017, 01:01:29 PM

Can anyone confirm my observation that there is no current flowing through the load using a scope and a current probe ?


I propose three tests:


Use blocking diodes at one end and leave the other end disconnected. Put load between diodes and measure voltage drop across load and current through it. Both should be zero.


Next add blocking diodes also at the disconnected end and connect diodes together. Power should increase as both outputs are now being used serially but still no voltage drop across load and no current should flow.


Last remove the diodes you just added and just connect the wires together. Result is a normal bifilar coil with blocking diodes on it. Is there any difference in the result ?

Title: Re: Pulling energy from the ambient energy field using a coil capacitor
Post by: AlienGrey on April 19, 2017, 01:16:38 PM
Unfortunately even Frolov wasn't able to replicate Chernetskiy plasma generator - and he had undoubtedly better info about his setup than we have.
What if I told you your arse was your elbow and I was senior dean at Oxford University !
the point is your all hot air and you do not do any hardware experiments and all your comments are 'negative' so go away, you have not done the experiment so you have no hardware result to show but you are advising others!
Title: Re: Pulling energy from the ambient energy field using a coil capacitor
Post by: pomodoro on April 19, 2017, 03:00:08 PM
Stefan while back  kindly shared  some prescious  pages from book by Chernetski with english translations.  they had copyright by Stefan OU.com  1999 from memory.

While he did work on plasmatrons but did not invent them as they say on the net, he also achieved OU with simple two electrode discharge tubes with low pressure hydrogen. A large current of 100A/sqmm is needed for the OU.  Its not the gentle glow tube on the famous youtube video, thats just some prop for the video. On that documentary, the scientist there made it seem that Chernetskii had something. But later, on a web page,  the same scientist guy said that he replicated the experiment many many times , using Chernetskiis notes and came to the conclusion that Chernetskii made errors with phase angles of currents vs voltages {power factors} when he worked out the power and there in no OU.   Whose telling fibs I wonder.
Title: Re: Pulling energy from the ambient energy field using a coil capacitor
Post by: Danas on April 19, 2017, 06:30:00 PM

Considering i have same toroidal core you used it would be ease for me to setup and try what you propose. I do have slight problem. To clalify in your PDF you said: First coil was winded on an 8 mm wide coil former. I used layered coils on a coil former because it is more effective than layered around the whole core.[/size] [/size]My question is and pardon my inability to comprehend, how do [/size][size=78%]your toroidal core as a close unit interact with this bobbin.[/size] Please clarify. Winding on toroid is long process and if you have simpler method i would like to use it. In my experience simply having bobbin on top of toroid did not give good results. Simple hand drawing of setup would help. [/size]
Thank you in advance.
David.
Can anyone confirm my observation that there is no current flowing through the load using a scope and a current probe ?


I propose three tests:


Use blocking diodes at one end and leave the other end disconnected. Put load between diodes and measure voltage drop across load and current through it. Both should be zero.


Next add blocking diodes also at the disconnected end and connect diodes together. Power should increase as both outputs are now being used serially but still no voltage drop across load and no current should flow.


Last remove the diodes you just added and just connect the wires together. Result is a normal bifilar coil with blocking diodes on it. Is there any difference in the result ?
Title: Re: Pulling energy from the ambient energy field using a coil capacitor
Post by: SkyWatcher123 on April 19, 2017, 08:19:39 PM
Hi all, Hi wistiti,

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Anyway, open bifilar (and bucking) coils at the output; really interesting...
Thank you Jack for sharing your works! It's remind me Skywatcher experiment at energetic forum "bucking cool inverter" when he/she said to have a working load with open bucking secondary....
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Yes, it was a joule thief oscillator, with bucking coil secondaries on ferrite tube core.
The coils were facing each other and only one wire from each coil was connected to non-modified led bulb load.
Other than that, the coils were not connected, so open circuit, electrical wiring wise.
peace love light
Title: Re: Pulling energy from the ambient energy field using a coil capacitor
Post by: dieter on April 19, 2017, 11:17:56 PM
@Jack, I think Woopy mentioned 1.6 kHz or something like that, with a 58V pulse, iirc.


I'd have to compare closed (torus or CI) and open core with similar coils to find out whether it makes a big diffrence, as I understand a closed core maintains its magnetism after a pulse, like the Leedskalnin PMH, whereas a simple bar core has so much leakage that it relaxes its magnetic domains rather instantly.


I literarly wound a double helix as termed un your pdf, the 1st half CW and the second half (qmwith the 50 turn offset) ontop CCW. This always results in imperfect fit and undesired gaps. I was thinking it may be better to wind both CW and then just reverse the polarity of one, what do you think?


I also think that when we consider the max output as the amount of loose electrons available in the copper (as there is no flow, only stress), a secondary with many layers and copper will deliver much more current on the same principle, although the timing must be diffrent. With 100 turns, the stress unstress bouncing is so fast, that it even passes a schottky diode both ways, we're dealing with nanoseconds here. With a bigger coil that may not work, but that doesn't matter.


I did not dare to connect my digital meter, because I fried the AC section in a similar experiment with a moskito killer transformer. But based on experience with this LED I had an idea about the output.


So ATM I would suggest not to use a solid iron or steel core, but a laminated or better nonconducting, like ferrite, torus or CI core.I'd also suggest not to use such plastic isolated wire for the primary.


I had to use what was at hand, but I'd suggest to stay close to Jacks setup and improve from there.


@Jack, how exactly would you wind a 10 layer output coil for the operation principle discussed here?
kr
Title: Re: Pulling energy from the ambient energy field using a coil capacitor
Post by: dieter on April 19, 2017, 11:28:02 PM
BtW. didn't do amp readings, for the reasons noted, but if you get zero amps, it may be the same effect like the schottky diode tunneling, as I would guess your scope tries to rectify before measuring. Then AC goes into a cap, resulting in zero.


Something really fast is going on here. Like I said, a schottky diodes lets current trough in the blocking direction only for the first few nanoseconds of any pulse.
Title: Re: Pulling energy from the ambient energy field using a coil capacitor
Post by: Reason1st on April 20, 2017, 05:57:56 AM
Jack:
Thanks for sharing your work and effort, it is very interesting and very much appreciated.  Since you are not able to view Woopy's video, here is a summary of his air coil and pulse circuit.  I also included attachments of some images I captured from Woopy's video in case you are able to view them.  I hope this is helpful in addition to Woopy's comments.

Air Coil: 78cm x 61cm, 7 windings, 23 turns each, 0.4mm
Pulse: 58VDC, 60mA, 6.3KHz, 16% duty cycle (555 timer circuit with IRF840A MOSFET)
Primary: 1 winding (wire# 0)
Coil capacitor (6 windings):
  Plate 1: 3 windings connected to load at one end and open on the other end (wire# 1, 2, 3)
  Plate 2: 3 windings connected to load at one end and open on the other end (wire# 4, 5, 6)
Load: 6V lamp (with 4 ohm series monitor resistor) connected across coil capacitor from plate 1 to plate 2
Note: Woopy's video shows that the 6V lamp dims and the primary current increases to 90mA when the open ends of the coil capacitor are shorted together to create a transformer.

Woopy:
Thank you also for the replication work that you shared and for all of your other work and effort that you share.
Title: Re: Pulling energy from the ambient energy field using a coil capacitor
Post by: Jack Noskills on April 21, 2017, 12:15:45 PM
dieter:
just keep on winding on top of previous layer, nothing special is required here.
 
danas:
I cut 8 mm coil former from a transformer into four pieces. Then just taped two pieces on the toroid. Purpose of coil former is to simply keep the wires close to each other when they go through toroid. Winding takes time though, at least one hour per 10 meters.
Title: Re: Pulling energy from the ambient energy field using a coil capacitor
Post by: Dog-One on April 22, 2017, 02:48:18 AM
Got a nudge to look into this a bit more, so I wound some coils on a 50mm form
which I have a bunch of.  My question is whether it can or does make a difference
if I put the primary inside the secondary or should it be wrapped/formed around
the outside?

Specs:
  I used #24 magnetic wire with about 110 turns on each section.  Winding a
bifilar pair in two sections this way is pretty straightforward and I was able to
keep the pairs tight.
Title: Re: Pulling energy from the ambient energy field using a coil capacitor
Post by: teslonian on April 22, 2017, 07:01:36 AM

Wow, I want to make one now. What is it? I mean I know what it is, I've seen some coils like that somewhere before sprinkled through out the internet but couldn't understand the workings of it completely. I've read Jack's PDF file and I think I  am getting an understanding of it now, intuitively it makes sense with the whole charge and Coulomb density thing going on there.

Where can I obtain a Gas Discharge Tube at?
Title: Re: Pulling energy from the ambient energy field using a coil capacitor
Post by: Dog-One on April 22, 2017, 08:06:09 AM
Where can I obtain a Gas Discharge Tube at?

https://www.digikey.com/products/en/circuit-protection/gas-discharge-tube-arresters-gdt/142

24 volts all the way to 8500 volts.  Should be able to choose a lower voltage and stack
them in series as needed to avoid buying a bunch of different sizes.  Once you have
something tuned in pretty nice, then I suppose you could order just the exact size you
need.

BTW, http://www.amazing1.com/ has all sorts of parts that may be useful for this project.
Title: Re: Pulling energy from the ambient energy field using a coil capacitor
Post by: dieter on April 24, 2017, 11:56:04 AM
Before I start a new test I have to find a toroid core somehow. I currently can't spend money for this so I'm looking around for a subsitute. Maybe somebody else around here has an idea about what could be used as a toroid core substitute at low or no costs? thx.
kr
Title: Re: Pulling energy from the ambient energy field using a coil capacitor
Post by: Jack Noskills on April 24, 2017, 12:56:30 PM

Note: Woopy's video shows that the 6V lamp dims and the primary current increases to 90mA when the open ends of the coil capacitor are shorted together to create a transformer.


This was good and informative result. I will try to explain it briefly here though it is in the pdf. Before the wires are connected the oscillating magnetic field that occurs outside the wire is pulling in the energy from ambient. This magnetic field that is created by oscillating electric field disappears when the electric field disappears. When the wires are connected together it creates electric current in a closed loop circuit and the electric field is gone. Hence direct energy flow from the ambient ends and you get normal transformer behavior instead.

dieter:
I forgot to answer your coiling question. Think in terms of polarities. There is no energy flow between wire ends of different coils that have the same polarity, unless there is a short circuit. I am sure any kind of winding will work. Highest electric field is created when you simply keep the winding direction the same all the time. Turn offset will increase the electric field and adding layers will do the same. The more turns the output coil pair has the more it can pull from the ambient. Resonance will possibly improve this so that the amount of turns can be reduced significantly.

danas:
woopy used about 70 meters of wire as primary, 58 volt pulse at 6.3 kHz and air core. If you can use similar pulsing frequency then one option would be to make your first system by winding the coils around the circumference of the toroid. Ten meters of 0.3 enameled wire will fit nicely around the M-088 and I believe it is more than enough as a primary coil. If you can use a coil former then you can easily test your system with and without core.

Capacitance between output coils would be useful information in any replication.

Higher voltage GDTs generate less heat than several low voltage GDTs in series. You could also use open air gaps as a starting point.

It should not matter where the primary is wound with respect to secondary.
Title: Re: Pulling energy from the ambient energy field using a coil capacitor
Post by: Dog-One on April 24, 2017, 01:56:42 PM
A capacitor that charges itself up from a magnetic impulse.

That's the coolest thing I have ever seen.  WooHoo!

Boy, I don't know how or why the gatekeepers let you slip through the crack Jack,
but the genie is out of the bottle now.

Muchas gracias.
Title: Re: Pulling energy from the ambient energy field using a coil capacitor
Post by: wistiti on April 25, 2017, 05:13:18 AM
Before I start a new test I have to find a toroid core somehow. I currently can't spend money for this so I'm looking around for a subsitute. Maybe somebody else around here has an idea about what could be used as a toroid core substitute at low or no costs? thx.
kr

Hi Dieter,
Maybe you can find a tv ferrite yoke for free...
It may be a good core for this project. One other great thing is they usually came with lots on magnet wire! ;)

Dog-one, i understand you have replicate it. Can i ask you what you use for the oscillation or the primary? Thanks!

I have not much spare time righ now but I will replicate this for sure!
Title: Re: Pulling energy from the ambient energy field using a coil capacitor
Post by: Dog-One on April 25, 2017, 08:51:50 PM
Dog-one, i understand you have replicate it. Can i ask you what you use for the oscillation or the primary? Thanks!

Nothing fancy, just the basics.

*  NST rectified with about 51 nF of capacitance
*  Primary is just turns of 14 gauge solid wire on a smaller former placed inside the output coil
*  In the middle of the primary is the open air spark gap

The lamp does glow, not bright and is well under unity at the moment.
The ferrite rods must be inserted to get any glow.


At the point where I'm at, the concept looks sound to me.  The main issue I think I'm
having in achieving higher output is the magnetic flux of the primary.  I think the magnetic
field is mostly circulating the wire and not spreading out into the output coil where the
disturbance is needed.  Adding the ferrite rods helps enough to get the lamp to glow.


So my thinking is that I need a way to better get the magnetic field to interact with
the output coil.  Nelson and Evostars probably have the answer by using pancake coils.
With the concept Jack has shared here, using pancake coils would allow the coils to
be placed closely together and since the output coil is non-reactive, the primary would
never see it.  Based on what Jack has mentioned, several pancake style output coils
could be stacked on the primary (both sides), each driving some load.  Too bad standard
induction hobs don't use rapid high voltage pulsed drivers, else we be in business just
using that as our primary and driver system.  Maybe the driver could be tweaked enough
to do what we want for this application...?   :-\  Might be worth a look.
Title: Re: Pulling energy from the ambient energy field using a coil capacitor
Post by: wistiti on April 25, 2017, 09:33:54 PM
Ok, Thank you for the reply!
As i see it you only have one layer of output coil... do im right? Maybe much more length/turn of the secondary is better... Anyway i will share my results as soon as i have the time to play with it.
 :)
Title: Re: Pulling energy from the ambient energy field using a coil capacitor
Post by: Dog-One on April 25, 2017, 09:53:15 PM
As i see it you only have one layer of output coil... do im right? Maybe much more length/turn of the secondary is better...

Yes, single layer on everything.

There's a lot of variables at play here.  It's standard engineering optimization.  One has
to pick what to improve to make the overall system performance the best they can given
the restrictions of the interacting variables.  I didn't do any of that.  I only put the concept
into physical form to see it manifest itself, which it does.  The lamp glows, connected to
a broken coil that has an impedance of infinity.  My 40+ years of electronics says this
isn't normal behavior.  So with a few new tools in my toolbox, lets see what can be done
with fewer restrictions.
Title: Re: Pulling energy from the ambient energy field using a coil capacitor
Post by: Dog-One on April 26, 2017, 12:19:29 AM
As you can see in the scopeshot below, sparks happen at about 73Hz where the
coil ring-down (resonant) is around 86kHz.  Voltage is off the scale--I'm surprised
I haven't smoked my scope with only a 10x probe setting.  Good thing this type
of electrical energy carries no current with it.

What's really amazing is thinking in terms of duty cycle.  The impulse lasts maybe
30us with a duration between pulses of 14 ms, giving us a duty cycle of ~ 0.3%
and yet it still makes the lamp glow with no resonant rise at all.  Pretty amazing
if you ask me.
Title: Re: Pulling energy from the ambient energy field using a coil capacitor
Post by: Jack Noskills on April 26, 2017, 01:06:35 PM
dogone, great that you have working setup at your hands. Fun times ahead.
You can increase output power by using the dual output feature. Move the unconnected ends close to each other so that you get the white spark. I did not test this serially but it should work. Most likely the voltage waveform you showed in the scope remains unchanged.
Coil ringdown occurs at 86 kHz, does this frequency change if core is removed ? Is the ringdown time longer without core ?[size=78%] [/size]
Can you pulse this at resonant frequency with signal generator (no capacitor spark needed) ? Could be that longer primary coil is needed when there is no capacitor to boost the pulse. But nature will take care of it in the form of back-EMF when longer primary coil is used.
Title: Re: Pulling energy from the ambient energy field using a coil capacitor
Post by: woopy on April 26, 2017, 11:08:05 PM
Hi all

just a test with a Bug zapper 3 volts on my EASTER COIL and a LED 220 volt

No claim here simply interesting results

good night at all

https://youtu.be/AXGHWdYDYO0

Laurent

Title: Re: Pulling energy from the ambient energy field using a coil capacitor
Post by: Dansway on April 27, 2017, 04:57:22 AM
Something similar??
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kdup42Epq0o
Title: Re: Pulling energy from the ambient energy field using a coil capacitor
Post by: wistiti on April 27, 2017, 06:24:30 AM
Hey guys!
I have made some quick test tonight and have something interesting to share.
I have wound 4 layers of magnet bifi wire over a ferrite stick. I use the first layer as a classic "joule thief " as the primary for the oscillation and connect the rest of the 3 layers bifilar serie to have open end coil as Jack show us.

First try I have a poor output but it's completely lens free!!
I have play a bit with my primary bifi coil and found that when I use it open (connect the oscillation to separate legs/wire of the bifi and leave it open) I have much more power at the output than when the primary is normal close coil! :). It remind me the lorrie matchette device...

This need more investigations!   

Thank you Jack !!!
Title: Re: Pulling energy from the ambient energy field using a coil capacitor
Post by: wistiti on April 27, 2017, 06:53:43 AM
Hey guys!
I have made some quick test tonight and have something interesting to share.
I have wound 4 layers of magnet bifi wire over a ferrite stick. I use the first layer as a classic "joule thief " as the primary for the oscillation and connect the rest of the 3 layers bifilar serie to have open end coil as Jack show us.

First try I have a poor output but it's completely lens free!!
I have play a bit with my primary bifi coil and found that when I use it open (connect the oscillation to separate legs/wire of the bifi and leave it open) I have much more power at the output than when the primary is normal close coil! :). It remind me the lorrie matchette device as Danways said...

This need more investigations!   

Thank you Jack !!!
Title: Re: Pulling energy from the ambient energy field using a coil capacitor
Post by: Grumage on April 27, 2017, 02:46:33 PM
Hi Matt.

These are exciting times!! Pun intended....

You have made so many posts posing different questions.

Remember Verpies " most excellent " solenoid coil graphic? Showing the field concentration being greater on the inside. Perhaps you need your coils inverted? " ass about face " !! So to speak.

Then you moved onto flat coils, remarking about induction hob's.

You could try this......

https://youtu.be/R9himdPWYQM

It's a rather robust " Royer " oscillator but the beauty of it....... It doesn't need a centre tapped coil.

I'm just waiting on the judges report from the BiFi panel but a few flat coils seem to be the next item on the " to do " list.

Cheers Graham.
Title: Re: Pulling energy from the ambient energy field using a coil capacitor
Post by: Dog-One on April 27, 2017, 08:34:14 PM
These are exciting times!! Pun intended....

Indeed.

You have made so many posts posing different questions.

I'm honestly all over the map trying to assemble a puzzle here.  Feel like I have the pieces
needed, just need to get them put in the proper order and stitched together.

Remember Verpies " most excellent " solenoid coil graphic? Showing the field concentration being greater on the inside. Perhaps you need your coils inverted? " ass about face " !! So to speak.

I had the same instinct too.  Jack mentioned it shouldn't matter, so naturally I did it
backwards I think.

Then you moved onto flat coils, remarking about induction hob's.

Pretty certain this is the way to go here as long as the frequency isn't out of range
of what I have to work with.  The BPC is almost screaming to be used in this application.

You could try this......

https://youtu.be/R9himdPWYQM

It's a rather robust " Royer " oscillator but the beauty of it....... It doesn't need a centre tapped coil.

I had forgot about that one Grum, thank you for reminding me.

What I was going to do is use my Push-Pull setup I built for the Ruslan device and just
use two pancake coils on each side of the output coil.


I'm just waiting on the judges report from the BiFi panel but a few flat coils seem to be the next item on the " to do " list.

From what I can see, an open-ended BPC with a tuning cap across the open end looks to
be the way to go here.  That's about all I can say at the moment until I have a chance to
prove myself wrong.

If you saw Brad's video (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MaZhCyKIAvg), it sure looks to me like this is a no-brainer to try for this project.

As I mentioned someplace, I don't know if what I'm thinking is actually what Nelson is
doing, but it sure seems like it.
Title: Re: Pulling energy from the ambient energy field using a coil capacitor
Post by: Dog-One on April 28, 2017, 09:19:55 PM
So this time I changed the drive mechanism to a push/pull board that I had built
for another project.  The oscillator capacitor is a bit large and limits my top-end
frequency to about 100kHz.  I may switch that out and see what happens at
higher frequency.

Still not seeing what I would call over-unity as yet, but I can easily drive the lamp
to normal brightness--remember this is still a coil that is open on the ends.

Instead of the two pieces of ferrite core, I made a 16-strand clump of welding
rod and inserted that.  What's odd is with the core (top scopeshot) the lamp is
less bright, system draws less amps and the core gets hot.  With the core
removed (lower scopeshot), lamp brightness is higher, but current draw goes
up.  Also notice the RMS voltage hasn't changed, but the brightness of the
bulb is clearly evident.  I state that because a lot of people assume higher
output with a brighter bulb--not necessarily true for a filament bulb.  Without
checking the current and phase angles, we'll just assume brightness level as
an indicator of output power for now.

The blue trace in the scopeshots is one side of the push/pull digital signal so
you can see the approximate duty cycle and get a good reading of the
frequency.  The jaggedness of the yellow output trace across the lamps tells
me the resonant frequency is probably quite a ways up the spectrum.

I should also note, when the lamp is shorted, current draw goes way up as
would be expected by any typically transformer arrangement.  So even with
these open ended coils, impedance takes over and DC resistance no longer
matters.  Lenz effect is clearly present in this system.  I do know it would
sure mess with the heads of a lot of electricians--open DC circuit powering
a light bulb.
Title: Re: Pulling energy from the ambient energy field using a coil capacitor
Post by: dieter on April 30, 2017, 03:46:44 AM
I was thinking, what's going on here anyway?


Well, we have a primary, pulsing. So far nothing special. Then we got there basicly two secondaries. Still nothing special!


Induction takes place, electrons are forced to move, regardless of wether these coils are connected to anything or not. There is tension at one end and pressure at the other end of each of these two. If we connect a load in series between these two, we allow a certain exchange of electrons between these two coils. However, the current will be highest at the loads contacts and lowest at the open ends, as if we move the center of a rubber band alternating towards the two fixed ends of it. In comparation, a normal output coil has the same current everywhere. All electrons are stressed the same and have the same freedom of movement.


This means, if we induce rather the open ends of the coils, then they will basicly perform like a shortened output coil, but if we induce the other ends instead (the ones connected to the lightbulb), then the unproportionally high current may perform better than any closed coil with no load attached. Overunity at this end of the coil.


Just some thoughts.


I currently moving, so all projects are on standby, hope to be back for tests asap.


BTW, Woopy, thanks for the video. Very impressive. These bugzippers draw only a few current, they run for hours with the two 1.5 V batteries. Output depends on sparkgap frequency, maybe 500 to 1500 V. But in the video, your 220V bild is flickering. I was wondering if it was flickering precisely like that, or whether the video framerate just caused a moiré pattern with the pulse frequency and in real it was shining continously / at the pulsed frequency?
Title: Re: Pulling energy from the ambient energy field using a coil capacitor
Post by: Jack Noskills on May 01, 2017, 04:42:47 PM
Hey guys!
I have made some quick test tonight and have something interesting to share.
I have wound 4 layers of magnet bifi wire over a ferrite stick. I use the first layer as a classic "joule thief " as the primary for the oscillation and connect the rest of the 3 layers bifilar serie to have open end coil as Jack show us.

First try I have a poor output but it's completely lens free!!
I have play a bit with my primary bifi coil and found that when I use it open (connect the oscillation to separate legs/wire of the bifi and leave it open) I have much more power at the output than when the primary is normal close coil! :) . It remind me the lorrie matchette device...

This need more investigations!   

Thank you Jack !!!


wistiti, I believe you have discovered induction by oscillating electric field, in other words induction by voltage pulsing! I think I know what is going on here, I try to explain it. In the coil capacitor system the magnetic field occurs outside the wire and it is in the direction of the wire. When coil capacitor is used as a primary in a rod core it creates magnetic flux that is a contained in the core. I say contained because I don’t know if the flux is circulating or pulsating, but it does not matter for now. Since contained flux is much more efficient than open loop flux more charge is induced in the copper nearby. As the electric field in the output coil is increased the magnetic field increases with it. So the lamp gets brighter as more energy can be pulled in from the ambient when the magnetic field is stronger. The pick up must be a coil capacitor as well. Single coil does not output anything as there is no voltage drop between coil ends. Charge is induced there but as the flux does not move across the coil the voltage is constant in every part of it, the coil will not output anything. When the pick up coil is a coil capacitor it does not matter ‘which way’ the charge gets induced there. Charge either moves from one end to another or charge density increases and decreases in the whole coil length. Either way the electric field is oscillating and creating the oscillating magnetic field which pulls in the energy. It would be interesting to see the waveform of the output coil pair when coil capacitor is used as a primary. 
 
Induction by voltage pulsing gives us another remarkable benefit. The current draw from the source drops significantly, or maybe even close to zero if pulses occur both ways. The drive is now only pumping charge through a capacitor! I believe that finer the wire used in the primary coil capacitor the greater the induction effect. Turn offset optimization in the primary could also work in this case but I am not sure if it would have any effect when used in the output coils. But don’t take my word for it, these should be tested.
 
But there is more. The coil capacitor is pulling energy directly from the ambient and this energy flow is present in the primary also. I believe that it can be used. Add blocking diodes to free ends of the primary coil capacitor and use the capacitor, diode bridge with smoothing capacitor like you did in the output section. Perhaps there is enough hot electricity to make a self runner? Verify the voltage and amperage before making loop back so you don’t break anything. You could put blocking diodes in the output coils as well to increase output and later to prevent frying of the coils. I think that the output power can be controlled by the voltage of the pulse and by the frequency of pulses. To study the effects of these two variables would be the next logical step.
 
Induction by voltage pulsing is a great improvement to the basic system and it opens up new possibilities. Instead of seeking for resonance that could be well below 100 kHz the system could just be voltage pulsed at e.g. one MHz, or even higher. This depends on the limits of the core with voltage pulsing, perhaps higher frequencies can be used than core specs allow. There could be a sweet spot in the magnetic flux also. If magnetic flux is wave like then it will have resonance just like charge does. If voltage pulsing allows the use of higher frequencies then it could open the gate to resonant magnetic flux. 
 
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Dog-One, put blocking diodes in the output coil pair: --<-- load -->--, this will make sure that charge is not moving in a closed loop in your system and you get lenzless behavior. I have shorted the output in my tests and it had no effect on the input. I was using closed loop core and the collector coils were separated from the primary or primary was on top of secondaries. I did the shorting test with and without diodes with current limiter bulb on. One possibility is that your coils are leaking. If so then you should see electric current, or energy flow between same ends of output coil pair. To prevent leaking to occur the loose ends should be connected together using maybe two mm air gap or use blocking diodes before coils are used for the first time. Coils do fry easily and instantly if this is not done and by looking at the scope shots you have provided it could have happened to your system. There were over one kilovolt spikes in the first scope shot, do you think the insulation in the wire that was used can withstand this amount of pressure ? Your output coils are hidden so you cannot see the white dots which occur when the coil is fried. Coil frying is a real nuisance, I should have stressed about it more. It happened to me many times until I started to use blocking diodes. I fried all my test systems except the last one, lol.
 
 
 Hopefully you have time to test voltage pulsing at some stage.
 
Title: Re: Pulling energy from the ambient energy field using a coil capacitor
Post by: wistiti on May 01, 2017, 06:35:46 PM
Hi Jack!

You seem to be right. I have do some more quick testing and am able to charge a capacitor beside the blocking diode at the open end of the primary. Much more interesting, I find I could charge ( at the same rate) 2 separate circuits from this open secondary!! :o All that with no apparent effect on the input power...

I don't quite understand how it really work but it does. Power input seem not to be important here... Until now I find just voltage and frequency have effect.

Here are some picture of my test.

maybe we can do the same with the secondary...

ps all my coil are bifilar.
Thank you! :)
Title: Re: Pulling energy from the ambient energy field using a coil capacitor
Post by: SkyWatcher123 on May 02, 2017, 06:39:16 AM
Hi all, hi wistiti, after seeing what you are doing, i am now going to give it a go also.
Going to use the ferrite tubes i have here and wind a few bifilar layers and make the first one an oscillator.
Seems interesting that you are getting better output while using an open primary oscillator coil.
Not sure i comprehend how the joule thief is still oscillating like that and i don't see any transistor and such in your circuit.
Anyway, sounds like your transmitting something from that open primary.
peace love light
Title: Re: Pulling energy from the ambient energy field using a coil capacitor
Post by: wistiti on May 02, 2017, 06:57:14 AM
Hi Sky!
Nice to ear you will try it too! :)
My primary is not a joule thief... ( I try it first) Now I use a radiant oscillator, from Sultech, I have build as the primary source. I connect it on the primary coil who is open... Hope to be clear... not sure... ???

I think the best primary power is one who can deliver hv and variable frequency... but it need more testing (that's why am happy you be here!!) Since now with my little research I found amp is not much a matter... It seems all about Voltage and frequency Like Jack have said.

In my last test I use just one leg of the primary to extract power. (as Jack suggest) I found I can have much power when grounding (maybe antenna will also work) the other leg of the fwbr.   

Let us know about your experimenting!

Sincerely!   :D
Title: Re: Pulling energy from the ambient energy field using a coil capacitor
Post by: pomodoro on May 02, 2017, 02:40:14 PM
Here is a quick tip. Its not about Jack's circuit but about the AV plug.The AV plug must end quickly at the capacitor. That's all
 No antennas, wires, leads to meters etc after the plug. It must also be a foot or more above ground.  Its best to use LEDs , filament bulbs, etc as you can't measure the v on a small cap with a 1OM meter all that well when the circuit is off.  If you have any wires at all after the AV plug you are capacitely coupling to earth , or just to the free space capacitance of the metal object, drawing big current thru the  wire to the AV plug .
Perhaps it don't matter with Jack's free energy, but if you do it with a freq gen, it will suck power out of it.
Title: Re: Pulling energy from the ambient energy field using a coil capacitor
Post by: wistiti on May 03, 2017, 01:18:26 AM
Hi Promodoro.
Yes I haved realised that the "excited" legs go to the half of the bridge (AV plug) but the strange thing here is this "excited" leg are blocked by a diode BEFORE the av plug...  So normally nothing should reach the av plug.....:o

I did not know about the rest of the reference you give about how to optimize the av plug output.... Interesting!
Thank you!
Title: Re: Pulling energy from the ambient energy field using a coil capacitor
Post by: pomodoro on May 03, 2017, 11:01:18 PM
The diode that blocks the av plug could have some capacitance, be too slow for the dV/dt or suffer some avalanche or zener breakdown. These factors and perhaps some I have not thought of need to be looked at first.  Another factor is that a coil opened at both ends excited by another can pass large currents if a small length of wire is attached to the ends or even just one end. Its easy to show this using a small Tesla coil with both ends of the secondary not grounded.  If a small filament bulb  has one terminal attached to just one end of the secondary, and a short wire is attached to the other terminal of the bulb, just into space, enough current can flow to make the filament glow, even with a totally insulated wire to stop a corona discharge. Electrons are pumped to and fro the dangling wire, which has some capacitance. Again, this doesn't mean Jacks circuit isn't doing something special, but Im trying to explain to you the behavior of high voltage spikes or high frequency signals on single ended wires. Tesla explained this when he lit his famous bulbs with one wire
Title: Re: Pulling energy from the ambient energy field using a coil capacitor
Post by: dieter on May 04, 2017, 01:16:37 PM
As I mentioned a couple of times before, any diode is conductive in both ways for the very first few nanosecs or microsecs of a Pulse. As the open secondary is basicly two open secondaries, connected by a load, the actual spike is very short, as it penerates even a HF schottky diode both ways.


Shorting the open secondary (instead of a lightbulb load) will simply make it one normal secondary with no load attached, no surprise there.




Bringing the open ends close together, so a sparkgap is taking place, clearly showed in my (1000vdc on primary pulse) experiment that the secondary in fact has high voltage, maybe 1 to 2 kV. Yet, the LED was not fried, but when I recently tested the DC resistance of this blue 100mA 3V LED (5 LEDs in parallel internally), my meter showed something like 5 megaohm, I think that is not normal. However, it is still working.


No matter how low the resistance of the load is you connect to this open ends secondary, the secondary will always be like a standard secondary with absolutely no load attached, and that is the beaity of it.


I think we should therefor concentrate on a secondary with a huge amount of turns and copper, induced by a very efficient inductive coupling design.


thanks for your attention.
Title: Re: Pulling energy from the ambient energy field using a coil capacitor
Post by: SkyWatcher123 on May 05, 2017, 07:38:35 AM
Hi all, not sure if this is anything expected, i placed a 6.6 nano farad, non polarized, 600 volt capacitor across the ends of the open ended coil strands of the second layer.
Used the first bifilar layer as a joule thief oscillator.
Then connected the other coil ends to a non-modified led bulb.
With the oscillator running with no led bulb or load, amperage is 200 milliamps, using 11.9 volt input.
With the led bulb as load, amperage is 190 milliamps and led bulb is lighted brightly.
When i short circuit the wires that previously were across the led bulb, the amperage drops to 100 milliamps.
Seems interesting, maybe.
peace love light
Title: Re: Pulling energy from the ambient energy field using a coil capacitor
Post by: Jack Noskills on May 05, 2017, 11:53:46 AM
I like the Joule Thief circuit because of its simplicity. Revisited the specs (PJK’s chapter 5) and realized that this circuit can be used to control the voltage and frequency of the pulse. Take the basic joule thief circuit as a base and modify it to make a FLEET device which has plastic ring core and bifilar pick up coil (without output diode). The amount of turns in the bifilar pick up coil controls the voltage of the pulse and the amount of turns in the bifilar primary controls the frequency of the pulses. It was evident from the pdf that when inductance goes down the frequency goes up, just compare the frequencies achieved with and without ferrite core. It is best to first wind the bifilar pick up coil using fine enameled wire and then the bifilar primary coil on top of it, insulated wire can be used for this. This way it will easy to play with different frequencies by modifying the turn count and wire size of the primary. To me this sounds like a perfect solution for voltage pulsing experiments.
 
It would be nice to be able to make the oscillator a self running component. Wind a third coil in the same direction using enameled wire on top of the bifilar secondary coil so that there is strong capacitive effect between them. Also place the coil in the center to get good turn offset. Put AC capacitor in the end of third coil and in the joint of enameled bifilar coil. The beginning of third coil is left open so that it is a coil capacitor. Size of this AC capacitor can be used to limit the feedback power. Then add diode bridge to the AC capacitor and smooth it with another capacitor to get DC. When energy from the ambient flows it charges the capacitor and this can then be used for feedback. Add turns in the third coil until enough energy is collected to make a self running oscillator. Experimentation is needed here to find the best solution. I think that ambient energy flow fills the capacitor with fixed amount of coulombs regardless of capacitor size. So by making the capacitor smaller more energy will be stored in it according to capacitor equations.
 
Still moving on with the design, the output power needs to be controlled safely. Frequency of the pulses can be changed using variable capacitor that drives the transistor. This would enable tuning in case resonance effects are found. If resonance is not needed then this control can be omitted. Second controller could be added to control the current in the primary of the oscillator, a variable resistor maybe. This would control the voltage of the oscillator pulse, a sort of throttle. It is easier to control the output power in the low power oscillator side than on the high power output side. Don’t ask for schematics, just proposing some ideas here for further development.
 
It is possible that with voltage pulsing core is not necessary, so it would be good to be able to test the collector with and without core.
 
Joule thief based voltage pulser can be changed easily into AEC by using blocking diodes. Add them in every coil end. Connect the diodes in the middle joint together and then to capacitor so that the feedback remains. Its power output will most likely change though. Connect load to output normally, or convert it to DC using the method already described. With blocking diodes in place the charge is contained within the coils. Now you can experiment with resonance if you can alter the frequency of the oscillations. You need to figure out how to modify the joule thief so that frequency sweeping is possible.
 
Connect the voltage pulser to your coil capacitor system. Is it possible to create a standing wave in the secondary of the pulsed system using voltage pulsing ? If yes, then is it possible to create a standing wave in the primary coil capacitor and in the secondary coil capacitor at the same time ? Output power then proportional to frequency squared ?
With this test all the coils in the pulsed system must be of exactly same length. The coil capacitor that is used as primary must be connected with series capacitors to the pulser output so that coil length does not change. Is one quarter rule applicable here, primary coil capacitor one quarter of the length of the secondary coil capacitor ? Does it matter which way the voltage pulser is connected to the pulsed system ? Method that is known to work is to connect pulser output to opposite ends of different wire. What happens when pulser output is connected to same ends of different wire ? These tests can be done quickly using signal generator and a scope. If results are positive then modify the Joule thief based voltage pulser to get voltage pulses at the correct frequency and use it instead of signal generator.
 
 When there is parallel capacitor in the output side it will prevent coil frying and I believe that then there is no need to use safety spark gap. But this is untested at the moment so better to start with parallel capacitor and safety spark. If the spark does not fire then it can be removed.[/font]
Title: Re: Pulling energy from the ambient energy field using a coil capacitor
Post by: SkyWatcher123 on May 05, 2017, 06:42:42 PM
Hi all, here is the circuit drawing of the experiment i am testing.
The no load amperage changed from last night to today, now there is no change, it stays the same, though the shorted amperage is still 100 milliamps.
Here is circuit.
peace love light
Title: Re: Pulling energy from the ambient energy field using a coil capacitor
Post by: Jack Noskills on May 08, 2017, 08:14:54 AM
Hi Jack!

You seem to be right. I have do some more quick testing and am able to charge a capacitor beside the blocking diode at the open end of the primary. Much more interesting, I find I could charge ( at the same rate) 2 separate circuits from this open secondary!! :o All that with no apparent effect on the input power...

I don't quite understand how it really work but it does. Power input seem not to be important here... Until now I find just voltage and frequency have effect.

Here are some picture of my test.

maybe we can do the same with the secondary...

ps all my coil are bifilar.
Thank you! :)


Another cool discovery wistiti! Energy flows in from the tip and when extended with capacitor it is charged with like charge. FWRB then makes the charge to move and ground connection enhances this. Couple of tests needed to learn more about what is going on here.
 
Can you replace ground connection with floating ground like metal plate, piece of wire or even hand ?
 
Change the value of capacitor to a smaller value. If output increases then it means that energy flow fills the capacitor with fixed amount of charge. If output decreases then energy flow fills the capacitor with fixed density of charge. I think there are two cases here. When AC capacitor is connecting coil capacitor ends it gets filled with fixed amount of charge. So smaller capacitor gives out more energy. When capacitor is connected to one end only more charge appears the larger the surface area. Coaxial cable at free end could be better than plain capacitor as there is more surface area in it.
 
Back to capacitor at free end with one end grounded. Purpose of this test is to check if diode bridge is needed. Both capacitor plates are charged with like charge so diodes that enter negative terminal of the bridge can be removed. Does this still work ? If yes, then the other two diodes can also be replaced with wire so the capacitor plates are now shorted and connected through load to ground. Does this work ?
 
Replace the capacitor with coaxial cable but connect it to both free ends of the coil capacitor. Do this so that two different layers from opposite ends of the coax are connected to two free ends of the coil capacitor (blocking diodes still in place). Leave other ends of coax unconnected so that capacitor is formed. Now you can take charge that appears on the coax from the joints and connect them through load to ground. Use diodes depending how the diode test went. Hopefully no diodes are needed.
 
If all went well, then perhaps entire coil capacitor system could be built using one multilayer high voltage coaxial cable. Two layers closest to each other are voltage pulsed and the two layers are used as charge collectors. The innermost layer can perhaps be used as floating ground.
 
Skywatcher, now you have electric loop. Put blocking diodes before the load to get rid of it: --<-- load -->-- . Shorted output should then have no effect on source. Can you estimate frequency of pulses and voltage ? Maybe you can try this circuit for voltage pulsing ?
Title: Re: Pulling energy from the ambient energy field using a coil capacitor
Post by: Jack Noskills on May 08, 2017, 12:48:00 PM
Skywatcher, better to put blocking diodes at every coil end. Then you will have a baseline version which you can compare your modifications against. wistiti discovered voltage pulsing when Joule thief pulsed a different system. You could test what happens when all the coils are on the same core. So third bifilar winding is needed for this test. Connect the second layer as normal bifilar and connect it to third layer which is coil capacitor, see wistiti’s drawings in I am unclear. This forms the voltage pulser. Then use fourth layer coil capacitor for pick up and put blocking diodes in place and connect to load. When all coils are on the same core, the Joule thief will kick every coil and the voltage pulser will kick some more. What would happen in this case I have no idea. If this is a working setup then you can vary the frequency by using fifth layer as Joule thief primary. You can easily experiment with different amount of turns when the Joule thief primary is on top. I hope I was making sense.
Title: Re: Pulling energy from the ambient energy field using a coil capacitor
Post by: wistiti on May 08, 2017, 03:09:26 PM
Thank you Jack for your reply!

Im thinking to try your concept for winding a generator... Im thinking to replace all the original winding of a generator by bifilar coil and leave it open end and just connect the output to the other open legs... What you think of it?

sincerly!
Title: Re: Pulling energy from the ambient energy field using a coil capacitor
Post by: dieter on May 08, 2017, 07:07:32 PM
It;s interesting to try all kinds if variations, even if the increasing complexity of interaction becomes unhandy at some point. Personally I would rather try to isolate the anomaly as much as possible in order to understand and ultimatively use it.


First:
Is the energy consumption of the basic model WITHOUT ANY LOAD about the same as in a standard transformer without any load?


Second:
When adding a load, does energy consumption rise, sink or remain the same?


If there is indication that it consumes more than just standart losses without a load, then this is a dead end like angus mcwangus (or however)' PMH bucking coils.


Even tho we do not "transport" any electrons trough this OEPC open ends pickup coil, we still cause a reactive magnetic field (although nonlinearly sweeping) and this field brings the primary in phase, which then consumes energy.


However, I'm just going trough the options. But, as none responded to my previous postings in this thread, I must assume there's no sense in writeing further. This is no touchy bs, it's just pointless to keep on talking to a group that does not react, right?


I thank you Jack for publishing these findings, which I keep on experimenting with, although without blog or so.
kr
Title: Re: Pulling energy from the ambient energy field using a coil capacitor
Post by: wistiti on May 08, 2017, 07:24:59 PM
Hi dieter
are you saying you have test it??
If so why you don't share your results?

Thank's
Title: Re: Pulling energy from the ambient energy field using a coil capacitor
Post by: dieter on May 08, 2017, 07:59:57 PM
I did, but it's ok.
Title: Re: Pulling energy from the ambient energy field using a coil capacitor
Post by: wistiti on May 08, 2017, 08:10:06 PM
Hi dieter,
Sorry for my dumb question...! :(
I have just give a look back at the tread and see your work... ???

What your conclusion so far with your research on it?
Title: Re: Pulling energy from the ambient energy field using a coil capacitor
Post by: Danas on May 08, 2017, 09:33:11 PM
Testing and experimenting is all that matters. Definitely something here..  I just burnt my primary.  Before i destroyed coil i can tell you lamp burnt for a short time with such beautiful glow that i can only describe in religious therms,, Angelic,, LOL.. so soft so pure and white, fascinating. My voltage was to high,, bummer. I was looking for nice low voltage resonator and resurrected my old project. After some measurments we can clearly see what resonace can do. Lamp is LED 110 v ac not modified and is running half intensity on differential of only 4 milliamps.  It can be seen that unloaded resonator consumes much more power that when limp is running. Going to try to repeat results with lower voltages. I am using stack of ferrite rings and going to adopt resonator to try it. See short video attached.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G6j8h1-aRBY


David.


quote author=wistiti link=topic=17119.msg506201#msg506201 date=1494264299]
Hi dieter
are you saying you have test it??
If so why you don't share your results?

Thank's
Title: Re: Pulling energy from the ambient energy field using a coil capacitor
Post by: Jack Noskills on May 09, 2017, 12:41:51 PM
When coil capacitor ends that have blocking diodes are connected to a capacitor, both capacitor plates are filled with like charge. Closer the plates are together more energy it will contain (Coulomb’s law). This makes me think that AC capacitor that has large capacitance but low voltage rating is the best option for a charge collector. Maybe DC capacitors could be used as well, pluses connected to coil ends and minuses connected together and to ground then load between plus and minus poles. One option, might be less effective.
 
Induction by oscillating magnetic field (current pulsing) fills the coil with charge and charge is packed towards coil end. Voltage is developed between coil ends. When this occurs in a coil capacitor it pulls in energy that has more density than volume. Energy flows horizontally in a solenoid coil. I have observed this in my tests. Adding turns in the coil capacitor made the white spark longer but thickness remained the same. Induction by oscillating electric field (voltage pulsing) fills the coil evenly with charge, volume of charge increases. When this occurs in a coil capacitor it pulls in energy that has more volume than density. Energy flows vertically in a solenoid. This case I have not been able to test, so theory at the moment. When both induction methods are applied to same coil at the same time we get both charge volume and charge density in the coil. When this lump of charge is oscillating in a coil capacitor it will pull in energy from the ambient that also has volume and density and its ability to fill charge collector is increased.
 
Now we can capture horizontal energy flow in a charge collector by adding capacitor to coil end where the energy comes in. Vertically flowing energy flows through the entire length of the solenoid. How to capture it in a charge collector ? Capacitor needs to extend all over the solenoid so a normal capacitor cannot be used. This gave me prototype area of a simple system.
 
Take plastic tube, diameter large enough so that you can put in ferrite to test with and without core and perhaps try resonance testing. Wind one layer of aluminum foil on it, insulate layer, then another foil and insulate it. Wind it as tight as possible to get good Coulomb effect. Add leads in both ends so you can test capacitor from opposite ends and same ends. This forms the charge collector. Next three layers of bifilar windings using enameled wire (fine gauge) all over the tube. One layer is Joule thief primary, second layer is joule thief step up and third is the voltage pulser. Add the aluminum capacitor to voltage pulser coil that has diodes in place. See wistiti’s drawings for connections if unclear. Now you can test several things in one build. For example, vary which layer is the joule thief primary and which is step up etc. Measure capacitance of the aluminum capacitor and use similar capacity plain capacitor instead. Resonance testing by sliding ferrite core inside the tube. Plenty of variations to test, should be interesting.
 
wistiti, I did not quite understand what you meant. Try the capacitor tests if possible before advancing. This way we can learn more of the behavior of capacitors as charge collectors.
 
dieter, your work is valuable. This is open source development, everyone does what he pleases and best solutions will come out eventually.
 
danas, good work!
Title: Re: Pulling energy from the ambient energy field using a coil capacitor
Post by: Jack Noskills on May 10, 2017, 12:43:38 PM
To avoid any misunderstandings I made schematic of the prototype test device to experiment with vertical energy flow. There is diode bridge as a rectifier, might not be required but I put it since it is known to work at the moment. Also known is that ground improves output, floating ground might also work but it is not tested yet. If there is resonance it occurs in the joule thief secondary and voltage pulse coil, together they form one four units long solenoid. Moveable ferrite core should help in finding the sweet spot. Pick up coil capacitor winding is wound on top. There are blocking diodes in the coil ends so coil pair is in parallel. This results in a coil pair that has length of one unit so quarter wave relationship exists between primary and this pick up. The output marked as ‘Load’ has pure energy and ‘DC Load’ has hot electricity. There is safety air gap as we don’t know what to expect. If you start using 1.5 volt joule thief circuit then this should be safe to experiment with.
 
 If two layers of bifilar windings are added then turn offset optimization can be tested, see figure 6 in the pdf on page 2 how to connect layered coils.[/font]


Second joule thief primary can be wound over all coils to experiment with higher voltage pulses. This will replace the first joule thief winding.
Title: Re: Pulling energy from the ambient energy field using a coil capacitor
Post by: Jack Noskills on May 12, 2017, 10:49:35 AM
To avoid any misunderstandings I made schematic of the prototype test device to experiment with vertical energy flow. There is diode bridge as a rectifier, might not be required but I put it since it is known to work at the moment. Also known is that ground improves output, floating ground might also work but it is not tested yet. If there is resonance it occurs in the joule thief secondary and voltage pulse coil, together they form one four units long solenoid. Moveable ferrite core should help in finding the sweet spot. Pick up coil capacitor winding is wound on top. There are blocking diodes in the coil ends so coil pair is in parallel. This results in a coil pair that has length of one unit so quarter wave relationship exists between primary and this pick up. The output marked as ‘Load’ has pure energy and ‘DC Load’ has hot electricity. There is safety air gap as we don’t know what to expect. If you start using 1.5 volt joule thief circuit then this should be safe to experiment with.
 
 If two layers of bifilar windings are added then turn offset optimization can be tested, see figure 6 in the pdf on page 2 how to connect layered coils.[/font]


Second joule thief primary can be wound over all coils to experiment with higher voltage pulses. This will replace the first joule thief winding.


 Added diodes according to wistiti’s drawings to make the schematic more complete. Output labeled ‘FB’ is for feedback to oscillator. Before closing the loop consider what happens to your oscillator if voltage changes from 1.5 V to 12 V. If voltage pulse increases then result is a runaway and something will break. Series capacitor connected directly to ground is a simpler option but since it is untested at the moment I left it out.[/font]
 In the ‘DC Load’ side the charge collector plates are most likely unevenly loaded with charge. Connecting them through diodes to load to ground could be a working solution. But untested so I left it out also.[/font]
Title: Re: Pulling energy from the ambient energy field using a coil capacitor
Post by: wistiti on May 15, 2017, 05:57:03 AM
Hi guys! Just let you know I have play a bit with the concept today. I try copper foil as a coil capacitor for the secondary But have not good output.

The best I have until now is with multi layer of bifilar open coil as the output.... more to come when the time permit!

Hope the best to all!
Title: Re: Pulling energy from the ambient energy field using a coil capacitor
Post by: Jack Noskills on May 16, 2017, 01:39:32 PM
Hi guys! Just let you know I have play a bit with the concept today. I try copper foil as a coil capacitor for the secondary But have not good output.

The best I have until now is with multi layer of bifilar open coil as the output.... more to come when the time permit!

Hope the best to all!


It was a good idea to test using insulated copper foils. There are some improvements that could be done to increase output power.
 
When copper foil is used to make a coil capacitor it is important to have many turns (or layers). When each layer is over previous layer the electric field between layers is increased. Doubling the amount of turns increases output power four times. Thickness of insulation that is used with the copper foil is directly related to available output power. Thin insulation increases and thick insulation decreases it. If you need more power then add more turns. From the pictures it appears that the copper foil you are using has insulation on both sides of copper. One layer could be removed to make more effective system, if possible. Distance between layers would be halved so output will increase four times. Adding these two improvements in the same system and output power will increase sixteen times compared to what you have now.
 
I realized why turn offset increases energy output: it does voltage pulsing! Now the test system becomes a lot easier to make as there is no need to use separate voltage pulser. I cannot imagine where to put charge collectors in this system so they can be left out. Take a plastic tube, use small diameter to get many turns but large enough so that you can put in any ferrite you have. This will be useful when tuning the system. Then tape one foil on the tube, second on top of first, then third and fourth layer. Now you have four stripes attached to tube and you can start winding them all at once and make a tight wrapping as you go. Take outputs from the start and end of wrapping from every foil. With four layers you can experiment with coil offset by cross connecting the layers so that you will have two segments for coil: layer 1 connected to layer 3 forms the first coil and layer 4 connected to layer 2 forms the second coil. On top of this coil capacitor you can make the Joule thief primary winding. In case you have only two copper sheets to work with then use only two layers, unless you are willing to cut one foil in two parts and connect it as shown in figure 3 of the pdf. Use of turn offset more or less doubles the output power. Using both outputs at the same time also doubles the output power. Adding all these together you would get 64 times more output power compared to what you get now.
 
One test could be to try tuning the Joule thief by moving the ferrite core and create a standing wave in the coil capacitor.
Title: Re: Pulling energy from the ambient energy field using a coil capacitor
Post by: Jo-EL on May 16, 2017, 04:38:50 PM
I have read a little of the document fast and it looks very good.
I would suggest to read also another document that can be complementary of Jacknoskills' one. If someone is interested in the second document, let me know it here and I will search and publish here the name of the document.

I am interested in the second document, please let me know were to get it !   ?

Jo
Title: Re: Pulling energy from the ambient energy field using a coil capacitor
Post by: Reason1st on May 20, 2017, 04:22:54 AM
I have the book in paper, so I don't have a link.
They are two books, called "Energy conserver theory" George Wiseman.  The book explains:
"Heat, light and magnetism are side affects of electron flow and do not 'consume' electricity." 'Electricity' is lost in conventional circuits when the source neutralizes itself (electron density equalizes)"
It explains more detailed than JackNoSkills pdf document and it explains very similar theories. Wiseman also explains about "electron density equalization".

Jo-EL:
Later the same day Magnethos posted that it turned out he was referring to two books so he did not have a document link.  If you want to have a better idea about what the books cover I found that George Wiseman uploaded free previews to his two books on Scribd, here are the links:
https://www.scribd.com/document/130668249/Energy-Conserver-Theory-Book-1-preview (https://www.scribd.com/document/130668249/Energy-Conserver-Theory-Book-1-preview) 
https://www.scribd.com/document/130669592/Energy-Conserver-Theory-Book-2-preview (https://www.scribd.com/document/130669592/Energy-Conserver-Theory-Book-2-preview)
Title: Re: Pulling energy from the ambient energy field using a coil capacitor
Post by: triffid on May 21, 2017, 02:58:44 AM
test
Title: Re: Pulling energy from the ambient energy field using a coil capacitor
Post by: forest on May 21, 2017, 11:19:51 AM
Jo-EL:
Later the same day Magnethos posted that it turned out he was referring to two books so he did not have a document link.  If you want to have a better idea about what the books cover I found that George Wiseman uploaded free previews to his two books on Scribd, here are the links:
https://www.scribd.com/document/130668249/Energy-Conserver-Theory-Book-1-preview (https://www.scribd.com/document/130668249/Energy-Conserver-Theory-Book-1-preview) 
https://www.scribd.com/document/130669592/Energy-Conserver-Theory-Book-2-preview (https://www.scribd.com/document/130669592/Energy-Conserver-Theory-Book-2-preview)


Very good theory. I agree and I could add that the source of energy is magnetic field - electrons are like little magnets and their magnetic momentum is what create macroscopic magnetic field which is the reason for heat,light, magnetism.

Title: Re: Pulling energy from the ambient energy field using a coil capacitor
Post by: Dog-One on May 27, 2017, 02:46:48 AM
Got looking at Coil/Cap pancake coils and I decided to give you guys a treat:

Clockwise:  https://oshpark.com/shared_projects/Tw78ZkFP

Counter-clockwise:  https://oshpark.com/shared_projects/Ac7UB3fV

You can order these boards if you desire to look into how they perform.

The idea is these two boards are mirror images of each other, so you can place
a sheet of Mylar between them, grab five 10-32 nylon fasteners and test them out.

The turn count is pretty low, so the frequency of interest will probably be pretty
high.  Likely you'll want a fast MOSFET driver capable of fairly high voltage to
ping them with.  I'll have more stats about them once I progress a bit more.


Title: Re: Pulling energy from the ambient energy field using a coil capacitor
Post by: Jack Noskills on May 29, 2017, 02:49:07 PM
Dog One, nice to see you are advancing. Don’t want to slow you down but maybe you could do a quick test with your solenoid setup ? The very first scope shot showed that with ferrite core in place the coil capacitor ring down was 86.1 kHz. Now you have this 100 kHz oscillator so you could tune the solenoid system up to 100 kHz frequency by moving the ferrite rod inside. Put blocking diodes before the load to make sure electrical loops are eliminated. You could also look at the voltage drop across load when diodes are in place. I think that there is no voltage drop, maybe this could be confirmed ? If no voltage drop then add capacitor parallel to load, now there should be voltage as the energy flow fills the capacitor with charge. If you can test this then you need to be very careful in case you achieve resonance. Safety first!
 
Capacitor behaves differently when it is connected to opposite endpoints of different wire compared to connection to same ends of different wire. When capacitor is connected to same ends it fills up until a certain level is reached. I could not study this any further without measuring equipment though. But capacitor and energy flow have interesting effects and deserve more attention.
Title: Re: Pulling energy from the ambient energy field using a coil capacitor
Post by: woopy on June 04, 2017, 07:09:37 PM
Hi Jack and all

Here some progress and experiments

I decided to try a setup named sandwitch cap coil.

I based the idea on Jack's drawing on page 7 of the PDF.

So i wound a copper tape (6 mm wide ) in spiral along a 40 mm diameter cardboard tube. I could wind 64 turns ( 2 times 32 turns connected in the middle) to get the first secondary coil (the blue one on the PDF)
Then i wound an insulation transparent standard tape /scotch) all along the coil. This isolate and make a dielectric.

Then i wound  my red 0.4 mm (7 strands ) stranded copper wire exactly in the middle of the 6mm copper tape, so 64 turns. This wire will be the primary of the system. (see  picture 1)

Then i wound an other scotch tape to fix the red wire and isolate and make a second dielectric.

Then i wound exactly on top of the first spiral ,the upper sandwitch made of 2 time 32 turns with the 6 mm copper tape, but this time separated in the middle as per the red coil in the PDF.

Finally scotched all along to isolate the copper tape, connected the load as per the PDF et voila, (picture 2)

I have separated the 7 strand to have the possibility of different experiment, but for today i have used all the strands together, so i get a one to one ratio between primary and the pair secondary.

First results

I connected a battery bank of 83 volts pulsed on the primary (red wire) by  my mosfet activated by my  555 timer at about 15 % duty cycle and 200 kHz cycle frequency. And the load is a 3.5 incandescent bulb.

So as you can see on picture 3, on the left , the scope probe are connected on the primary (red wire), we clearly see the pulse at the beginning of the cycle. During the pulse, due to the high frequency, and short duty cycle, the voltage trace (yellow) is not square but more a M shape and the voltage is far less than the nominal  83 volts. The current (blue trace)  is a positive peak.
 At the end of the pulse, both voltage and current trace, spike negatively and then the voltage trace rebounce strongly positive (much higher than the M value ), before ringing down to the next pulse ?

On picture 3 on the right, the probes are connected to the load (bulb), and this time we don't see the pulse at the beginning of the cycle, but then we see strong current oscillations (blue trace) and very low voltage oscillations ??.

Voila, no claim here, but lot of questions , what is this current oscillations on the load , why is the voltage so low in a 1 to 1 ratio, why don't we see the pulse trace on the load etc..

For info i have already smoked 5 bulbs, 1 volmeter, 1 mosfet, have tried already some different load (led , 220 volts bulbs, 12 volts bulb, each time with very different results, but a common feature is  the big difference between the voltage and current traces on the primary and the secondary pair cap coil.

A lot of fun with this setup

Hope this helps

Laurent
Title: Re: Pulling energy from the ambient energy field using a coil capacitor
Post by: woopy on June 08, 2017, 10:16:50 PM
So no comments on the scope traces i have posted ??


Laurent
Title: Re: Pulling energy from the ambient energy field using a coil capacitor
Post by: Dansway on June 08, 2017, 10:43:23 PM
Hi Woopy,

You have two channel O-scope shots.  Please tell us which is the input and which is the output?  Thanks.
Title: Re: Pulling energy from the ambient energy field using a coil capacitor
Post by: woopy on June 09, 2017, 08:32:00 AM
Hi Woopy,

You have two channel O-scope shots.  Please tell us which is the input and which is the output?  Thanks.

Hi Dansway

the left shot is the the voltage (yellow)and current (blue) on the primary coil which is the "exciter " coil or as you ask the input.
the right shot is the voltage (yellow) and the current(blue) on the lightbulb, or better said,  on the open secondaries coils or the output.

Laurent
Title: Re: Pulling energy from the ambient energy field using a coil capacitor
Post by: Dansway on June 09, 2017, 03:53:28 PM
Hi Woopy,

Thanks.   Very interesting! 
Here's a thought: Open ended coil "layers" tightly coupled are right angles (orthogonal etc.)?
Title: Re: Pulling energy from the ambient energy field using a coil capacitor
Post by: gotoluc on June 09, 2017, 04:06:58 PM
Bonjour Laurent,

What are you using (in/out) to measure the current?

Interesting

Luc
Title: Re: Pulling energy from the ambient energy field using a coil capacitor
Post by: woopy on June 09, 2017, 05:04:57 PM
Hi Luc

the current is measured across a 1 ohm resistor which should be non inductive. I have made myself the resistor with 12 cm straight heating wire (taken out of a air heater).

As i have only 2 channel on my scope, i measured first the voltage and current on the primary (exciter) coil, and then i put the probes for voltage and current on the 2 opened secondary coils directly on the bulb. That's why there is 2 pictures.

Hi Dansway

can you precise your idea or make a drawing please
Thank's

Laurent
Title: Re: Pulling energy from the ambient energy field using a coil capacitor
Post by: gotoluc on June 09, 2017, 05:22:06 PM
Okay, thanks for the information Laurent.
So if I understand correctly, the primary is the strands of wire and the secondary is the copper foil tape... is this correct?


Luc
Title: Re: Pulling energy from the ambient energy field using a coil capacitor
Post by: Dansway on June 09, 2017, 05:22:58 PM
Hi Woopy,

Something like this.  I'm just throwing ideas out there.....  :)
Title: Re: Pulling energy from the ambient energy field using a coil capacitor
Post by: woopy on June 09, 2017, 05:30:59 PM
Okay, thanks for the information Laurent.
So if I understand correctly, the primary is the strands of wire and the secondary is the copper foil tape... is this correct?


Luc

Yes correct

the stranded red wire (primary or exciter) is sandwitched between the 2 copper tapes (opened secondaries)
Title: Re: Pulling energy from the ambient energy field using a coil capacitor
Post by: gotoluc on June 09, 2017, 05:56:13 PM
Yes correct

the stranded red wire (primary or exciter) is sandwitched between the 2 copper tapes (opened secondaries)

Based on my experiments and experience, even though you have a 1 to 1 transformer as far as the amount of turns between primary and secondary are concerned, your results are different probably because of the secondaries extra copper mass, surface area and lower resistance compared to the primary.
When your secondary is placed under much load (bulb) the voltage will clamp down but current will rise which I think is caused by the secondary extra copper mass, surface area and lower resistance compared to the primary thin wire strands.
However, if you could calculate Watts in compared to Watts out it probably adds to the same or just under unity.

Does this sound reasonable to you?

Luc
Title: Re: Pulling energy from the ambient energy field using a coil capacitor
Post by: woopy on June 09, 2017, 07:12:52 PM
Hi Luc

what puzzle me in this Jack Noskill's experiment, is that the secondaries are two completely separated tape of copper . Each of those copper  tape is connected on one side to the bulb and the other end of each copper tape is connected to nothing.
So to say both connection of the bulb is not connected to the each other.

And between this 2 "not connected" tape, there is the "primary".

Of course we can think of capacitive coupling between the 2 tapes, but i am amazed to be able to light a incandescent bulb with only the capacitive coupling.

So for now i have tested pulses up to 83 volts and around 16 % duty cycle at 200 KHz, but i will try to find a mean to pulse much higher voltage, on shorter duty cycle to see what happen. The system seems very sensitive to frequency, so a delicate operation.

Luc have you read the PDF of Jack Noskill, what do you think of his theory ?

Thank's

Laurent
Title: Re: Pulling energy from the ambient energy field using a coil capacitor
Post by: gotoluc on June 10, 2017, 02:06:37 AM
Hi Luc

what puzzle me in this Jack Noskill's experiment, is that the secondaries are two completely separated tape of copper . Each of those copper  tape is connected on one side to the bulb and the other end of each copper tape is connected to nothing.
So to say both connection of the bulb is not connected to the each other.

And between this 2 "not connected" tape, there is the "primary".

Of course we can think of capacitive coupling between the 2 tapes, but i am amazed to be able to light a incandescent bulb with only the capacitive coupling.

So for now i have tested pulses up to 83 volts and around 16 % duty cycle at 200 KHz, but i will try to find a mean to pulse much higher voltage, on shorter duty cycle to see what happen. The system seems very sensitive to frequency, so a delicate operation.

Luc have you read the PDF of Jack Noskill, what do you think of his theory ?

Thank's


Laurent

Hi Laurent,

The input or output (2 wires) leads do not need to be physically connected for a transformer to transfer power from primary or secondary if you have a high enough AC frequency and even better, if resonance is established.
My guess is, your transformer primary is creating a fast enough AC frequency for your tape foil secondary to charge its capacitance value close to resonance which in turns lights the bulb.
So, a transformer can transfer power through Induction or Capacitance if the correct conditions are met.
However, a Capacitive transformer is not a practical device as so many conditions need to be met for a good power transfer to occur.

8 years ago I when I was first playing and learning about resonance I found the same thing. In my case the primary was 2 separate wires (not connected) and the secondary was inductively powering the load.

Here is that old video demo: https://youtu.be/auFYEFBrwls?t=138 (https://youtu.be/auFYEFBrwls?t=138)

Unfortunately. even though a transformer primary input power does not change when you connect or disconnect the secondary load it does not mean you have a free lunch. If so, I would of had OU many years back.
You only have a free lunch when the output power (watts) is greater then the input power.

If your input is clean DC and you rectify your output to clean DC then you will be able to see the reality Pin vs Pout. In my experience the output power never exceeds the input power even if the input power is not affected by the output load.
However, It would be great to be proven wrong ;)

Hope this is understandable?

Kind regards

Luc
Title: Re: Pulling energy from the ambient energy field using a coil capacitor
Post by: antimony on June 10, 2017, 08:01:49 AM
Hi all, here is the circuit drawing of the experiment i am testing.
The no load amperage changed from last night to today, now there is no change, it stays the same, though the shorted amperage is still 100 milliamps.
Here is circuit.
peace love light

Is it this design you would want to go with if you want to try this out?

Btw, is it just two bifilar layers + a primary?
Title: Re: Pulling energy from the ambient energy field using a coil capacitor
Post by: triffid on June 10, 2017, 08:05:16 PM
Just in case you guys overlooked it,"The  two books, called "Energy conserver theory" by George Wiseman "mentioned on page one of this thread contains a design for a magnetic motor that works.I put it together myself and found that the concept works,just need to scale it up.triffid
Title: Re: Pulling energy from the ambient energy field using a coil capacitor
Post by: gotoluc on June 10, 2017, 10:32:00 PM
Just in case you guys overlooked it,"The  two books, called "Energy conserver theory" by George Wiseman "mentioned on page one of this thread contains a design for a magnetic motor that works.I put it together myself and found that the concept works,just need to scale it up.triffid

Please post a video demo of your build to demonstrate your results

Thanks

Luc
Title: Re: Pulling energy from the ambient energy field using a coil capacitor
Post by: woopy on June 11, 2017, 11:42:32 PM
Hi Luc

thank's for your explanation

It gave me the occasion to rewatch your very instructive videos concerning the coil resonance.

But of course i will insist some time on this experiment because i would like to better understand what is  this capacitive coupling which permit to transfer power from 2 opened coils.

 Your videos and mine shows that this phenomenon exists and works , and my question is why ?

No hurry here, the Easter is coming and i have a lot of other and working project as my inflatable sail for boat with telescopic mast.

Hi Triffid

i have looked at the link of the permanent magnet motor you mentioned, from Wiseman

 I am afraid this system works only because of the twist of the wire on which the paperclip is suspended in attraction with the strong neo mag

Please take the time to test this experiment with an unwinded wire , for example , a straight kevlar (unwinded ) strand, and you will see that your paper clip will eventually not spin at all.

Just for info GOTOLUC and me have  redo this experiment or almost the same, and got no spinning at my great desapointment

And as Luc said, i would be so happy to be proven wrong

Hope this helps

Laurent
Title: Re: Pulling energy from the ambient energy field using a coil capacitor
Post by: ramset on June 12, 2017, 12:23:11 AM
Woopy
forgive the intrusion
But you wrote" inflatable sail for boat with telescopic mast."

can you post a link to this project ?
this is one of my last remaining Vices ....[wing sails  water foils...and very fast sailboats  :o

respectfully
Chet K
Title: Re: Pulling energy from the ambient energy field using a coil capacitor
Post by: TinselKoala on June 12, 2017, 06:36:52 AM
May be something of interest here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WV3posVDqJs

Chet, how about that America's Cup race last year in the San Francisco Bay? That was some fast sailing there for sure.  I'm looking forward to the next race, those foiling cats can really scat!
Title: Re: Pulling energy from the ambient energy field using a coil capacitor
Post by: Dog-One on June 12, 2017, 09:07:38 AM
May be something of interest here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WV3posVDqJs

Reminds me a bit of this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FasAn7aJa6o

Interesting phenomena or mechanism to get the voltage from the TC and the
current from the battery.  Not normally done that way.   Maybe a little mixing
going on there.  ;)
Title: Re: Pulling energy from the ambient energy field using a coil capacitor
Post by: woopy on June 12, 2017, 04:19:09 PM
May be something of interest here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WV3posVDqJs (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WV3posVDqJs)

Hi TK

wooow? very impressive result. It remind me some experiment with the Kacher, i placed a copper plate between the 2   12 volts battery and by touching the  plate, i could light a 220 volts incandescent bulb, but never so brightly as yours. I don't remember if i have touched the positive or the neg of the battery.
Have you an explanation for this phenomenon? Are you (your body) constituing a   mass, or antenna, or ground ? What happen if you replace your finger on the bulb with a wire connected to the ground ?

Anyway bravo and thank's for sharing. I will re-watch my own old kacher videos, and very probably give a go to the Steve Ward sstc circuit

Laurent
Title: Re: Pulling energy from the ambient energy field using a coil capacitor
Post by: woopy on June 12, 2017, 04:30:46 PM
Hi Chet

here as short recreation a link in french to the inflatable sail with telescopic mast you asked me for. We have already made the first testing with very positive results.

https://youtu.be/T6B3nshw6zc

Ok and now back to the thread

Laurent
Title: Re: Pulling energy from the ambient energy field using a coil capacitor
Post by: gotoluc on June 12, 2017, 06:57:31 PM
Hi Chet

here as short recreation a link in french to the inflatable sail with telescopic mast you asked me for. We have already made the first testing with very positive results.

https://youtu.be/T6B3nshw6zc (https://youtu.be/T6B3nshw6zc)

Ok and now back to the thread

Laurent

Bonjour Laurent

That's for sure a very interesting sail mast technology!
Being a sailor myself I can really appreciate it.
Here's an old video I did, unfortunately before I owned an HD camera. Anyways, it's my sailboat on the Ottawa river which is Canada's nation capital.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ELrXokXjWpY (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ELrXokXjWpY)

Thanks for sharing

Luc
Title: Re: Pulling energy from the ambient energy field using a coil capacitor
Post by: antimony on June 15, 2017, 10:13:55 AM
I am sorry, but I havent yet understood what turn offset means? I am from Europe, and not speaking english usually, so there are sometimes there are words or sentences that doesnt make sense to me, and when Google cant provide me with an answer i have to ask.
So i Hope you are not too mad at me for not getting this. :D
Title: Re: Pulling energy from the ambient energy field using a coil capacitor
Post by: triffid on June 15, 2017, 04:34:17 PM

Hi Woopy,Thanks for doing the magnet motor experiment.I will disagree for the moment with your results.I used ceramic magnets {not neo} because I had them on hand.I will say the spinning force appears to be small.I could not get spin with stiffer materials.But I need to do more experimenting.My sewing thread did not unravel.triffid









Title: Re: Pulling energy from the ambient energy field using a coil capacitor
Post by: triffid on June 15, 2017, 04:39:38 PM
Woopy I reread your comment and will have to try some straight wire as you called it.triffid
Title: Re: Pulling energy from the ambient energy field using a coil capacitor
Post by: triffid on June 22, 2017, 03:33:34 PM


Woopy,A safety pin and a paper clip rotates just fine when suspended over a solid circular permanent magnet.The paper clip does not spin over a rectangular permanent magnet. So I guess not all magnets are created equal?If someone here would create a link to another thread for the paper clip magnet motor I would post my future findings there.Triffid




If the twist of the wire is responsible then it should rotate in all magnetic fields.But it does not.
Both a paper clip and a safety pin makes a rather good balanced rotor.For very little cost too I might add.
Your straight wire may not have had enough surface area to interact with a spinning magnetic field?
Title: Re: Pulling energy from the ambient energy field using a coil capacitor
Post by: triffid on August 24, 2017, 03:33:20 PM

My last post here was two months ago .That spinning force on the solid circular magnet(paperclip) is less than the surface tension of water.There is a number for the surface tension of water.Plus I had added dishwashing soap to the water to reduce the surface tension.So that spinning force is very,very weak.I had glued a 2 1/2 inch paper clip to the center of a (inside)vitamin bottle lid.So no strings were attached to the paperclip.I set this device upon a dish of water(soapy)(floating like a little boat) and got it to turn two and a half times before the surface tension brought it back to the starting point.So I learned two things,there is a spinning force and its very,very weak. Triffid



Title: Re: Pulling energy from the ambient energy field using a coil capacitor
Post by: lancaIV on August 26, 2017, 12:09:31 AM
https://teslauniverse.com/nikola-tesla/patents/us-patent-406968-dynamo-electric-machine

https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?FT=D&date=19861208&DB=EPODOC&locale=en_EP&CC=JP&NR=S61277366A&KC=A&ND=4
Title: Re: Pulling energy from the ambient energy field using a coil capacitor
Post by: triffid on September 07, 2017, 03:24:14 PM
More new info. on the safety pin magnet motor.It turns out that the safety pins work better than the paper clips because when closed the safety pins function as a closed loop of one turn(its a coil everybody).As it turns in a magnetic field a current flows through it.A paper clip may or may not be closed. But that means a straight wire will never work.Its not closed.triffid
Title: Re: Pulling energy from the ambient energy field using a coil capacitor
Post by: Jack Noskills on September 19, 2017, 01:04:42 PM
I haven’t been able to follow this thread since beginning of July. I will put here what I have written off line all in one post.
 
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woopy, voltage in your copper foil setup (when measured across opposite endpoints of different coils) could be increased. Now the primary coil is between the coil capacitor and distance between plates is thus made larger. Voltage is maximized when distance between charged surfaces is minimized (Coulomb’s law). So the primary coil should be wound on top of coil capacitor to get maximum voltage. Winding the coil capacitor on a coil former so that there are several layers would increase the output even more. Lowering the duty cycle would also increase the output since there would be more time for the charge to move freely in the coil capacitor. You could make a coil capacitor from the primary and try capacitive pulsing at some stage. Look how the current oscillations change in the output. This would be a very interesting scope shot to see. This test gives the best result when the entire length of the energy collecting coil capacitor is covered with pulsing coil capacitor, see wistiti’s way of doing it. I understand now why pulsing using coil capacitor works. When capacitor is charged the current flow is at maximum in the beginning of charge cycle and it decreases exponentially. To maximize the induction effect current flow should be stopped as soon as possible. This means that a short pulse gives the best result when using coil capacitor for pulsing, so low mark space ratio should be used. This gave the idea of using a coil capacitor based Joule Thief to create pulses.
 
Voltage oscillation in the coil capacitor is caused by the movement of charge back and forth in the coils. This oscillation is initiated by the drive pulse. The voltage oscillation has tubular waveform as there is no inductance to slow it down. Note how the voltage oscillation starts over when the next pulse occurs: voltage and current waveforms are identical during every pulse. The waveforms are in phase but there is no resonant rise. In this setup the resonant frequency is high and the sine wave width is shorter than the drive pulse width. So each pulse prevents resonant rise to occur: drive pulse lasts too long and it prevents the output coil capacitor from ringing fully. Lowering the duty cycle of the drive pulse will fix this problem. Or make the resonant frequency lower using more turns in the coil capacitor so that drive pulse width will be shorter than sine wave width. Be careful here that you don’t accidentally get resonance as your input pulse voltage is way too high at the moment. Use of signal generator would be the safest way to start resonance experiments. Dog One got 220 volt peak to peak pulses using 5 volt input pulses without resonance with his air cored 1:1 ratio 100 kHz setup. This clearly indicates the Coulomb’s law in action in a coil capacitor systems.
 
Not exactly sure about your test setup, did you use diodes or air gaps ? If there were no blocking diodes in your test then you could retest with diodes in place: --<-- load -->-- , and then measure voltage drop across load. This should be zero as the diodes block charge. If not zero then it should be significantly less than voltage drop across blocking diodes. This voltage (if present) is created by ambient energy hitting metal. There is energy going through the load but there is no charge going through the load.
 
This could be verified with current probes on both sides of the load (two tests: probes before and after diodes), are current waveforms identical or are they different ? This should be tested also without load connected, can the magnetic field be still detected by the current probe (two tests again) ?
 
*********************************
 
I revised the theory to be more detailed by using field potentials, this is about ‘ringing a bell’. The information I got from woopy’s scope shot played a significant role in this development. Where mechanical bell outputs sound, electrical bell outputs ambient energy. I also updated the ‘conversion to hot electricity’ section based on wistiti’s results.
 
There is a concept idea for a reference system that uses Joule Thief based oscillator using coil capacitors without resistor (page 24 onwards). The starting point was a JT circuit that used 0.77nF capacitor instead of the 1k resistor. If 0.77nF makes JT to oscillate then about the same capacitance coil capacitor will also make it oscillate. Idea is to first make a fast oscillating self running oscillator with frequency and pulse strength controls and then apply it to a coil capacitor energy collecting system (which is wound on top of the oscillator). This sounds simple and it is. Just one transistor, variable resistors and a capacitor, the rest is done with coiling and resonance.
 
I hope this will get built by me at some stage or by some experimenter so that we would get a working reference design anyone can build easily and at low cost. Just like the original Joule Thief circuit.
 
gotoluc and wistiti showed that a coil capacitor can be used as an inductor. Therefore it can be used to create an electromagnet for electric motors as well. I added my thoughts on that at the end.
Title: Re: Pulling energy from the ambient energy field using a coil capacitor
Post by: wistiti on September 19, 2017, 08:38:42 PM
Nice to ear from you Jack!
Thank you for the pdf
Title: Re: Pulling energy from the ambient energy field using a coil capacitor
Post by: lancaIV on September 20, 2017, 10:43:34 AM
I haven’t been able to follow this thread since beginning of July. I will put here what I have written off line all in one post.
 
**************************
woopy, voltage in your copper foil setup (when measured across opposite endpoints of different coils) could be increased. Now the primary coil is between the coil capacitor and distance between plates is thus made larger. Voltage is maximized when distance between charged surfaces is minimized (Coulomb’s law). So the primary coil should be wound on top of coil capacitor to get maximum voltage. Winding the coil capacitor on a coil former so that there are several layers would increase the output even more. Lowering the duty cycle would also increase the output since there would be more time for the charge to move freely in the coil capacitor. You could make a coil capacitor from the primary and try capacitive pulsing at some stage. Look how the current oscillations change in the output. This would be a very interesting scope shot to see. This test gives the best result when the entire length of the energy collecting coil capacitor is covered with pulsing coil capacitor, see wistiti’s way of doing it. I understand now why pulsing using coil capacitor works. When capacitor is charged the current flow is at maximum in the beginning of charge cycle and it decreases exponentially. To maximize the induction effect current flow should be stopped as soon as possible. This means that a short pulse gives the best result when using coil capacitor for pulsing, so low mark space ratio should be used. This gave the idea of using a coil capacitor based Joule Thief to create pulses.
 
Voltage oscillation in the coil capacitor is caused by the movement of charge back and forth in the coils. This oscillation is initiated by the drive pulse. The voltage oscillation has tubular waveform as there is no inductance to slow it down. Note how the voltage oscillation starts over when the next pulse occurs: voltage and current waveforms are identical during every pulse. The waveforms are in phase but there is no resonant rise. In this setup the resonant frequency is high and the sine wave width is shorter than the drive pulse width. So each pulse prevents resonant rise to occur: drive pulse lasts too long and it prevents the output coil capacitor from ringing fully. Lowering the duty cycle of the drive pulse will fix this problem. Or make the resonant frequency lower using more turns in the coil capacitor so that drive pulse width will be shorter than sine wave width. Be careful here that you don’t accidentally get resonance as your input pulse voltage is way too high at the moment. Use of signal generator would be the safest way to start resonance experiments. Dog One got 220 volt peak to peak pulses using 5 volt input pulses without resonance with his air cored 1:1 ratio 100 kHz setup. This clearly indicates the Coulomb’s law in action in a coil capacitor systems.
 
Not exactly sure about your test setup, did you use diodes or air gaps ? If there were no blocking diodes in your test then you could retest with diodes in place: --<-- load -->-- , and then measure voltage drop across load. This should be zero as the diodes block charge. If not zero then it should be significantly less than voltage drop across blocking diodes. This voltage (if present) is created by ambient energy hitting metal. There is energy going through the load but there is no charge going through the load.
 
This could be verified with current probes on both sides of the load (two tests: probes before and after diodes), are current waveforms identical or are they different ? This should be tested also without load connected, can the magnetic field be still detected by the current probe (two tests again) ?
 
*********************************
 
I revised the theory to be more detailed by using field potentials, this is about ‘ringing a bell’. The information I got from woopy’s scope shot played a significant role in this development. Where mechanical bell outputs sound, electrical bell outputs ambient energy. I also updated the ‘conversion to hot electricity’ section based on wistiti’s results.
 
There is a concept idea for a reference system that uses Joule Thief based oscillator using coil capacitors without resistor (page 24 onwards). The starting point was a JT circuit that used 0.77nF capacitor instead of the 1k resistor. If 0.77nF makes JT to oscillate then about the same capacitance coil capacitor will also make it oscillate. Idea is to first make a fast oscillating self running oscillator with frequency and pulse strength controls and then apply it to a coil capacitor energy collecting system (which is wound on top of the oscillator). This sounds simple and it is. Just one transistor, variable resistors and a capacitor, the rest is done with coiling and resonance.
 
I hope this will get built by me at some stage or by some experimenter so that we would get a working reference design anyone can build easily and at low cost. Just like the original Joule Thief circuit.
 
gotoluc and wistiti showed that a coil capacitor can be used as an inductor. Therefore it can be used to create an electromagnet for electric motors as well. I added my thoughts on that at the end.

his last twenty(underestimating: real more then 40) years are "capacitive coil" devices related :
https://worldwide.espacenet.com/searchResults?submitted=true&locale=en_EP&DB=EPODOC&ST=advanced&TI=&AB=&PN=&AP=&PR=&PD=&PA=&IN=pavel+imris&CPC=&IC=&Submit=Search (https://worldwide.espacenet.com/searchResults?submitted=true&locale=en_EP&DB=EPODOC&ST=advanced&TI=&AB=&PN=&AP=&PR=&PD=&PA=&IN=pavel+imris&CPC=&IC=&Submit=Search)

https://worldwide.espacenet.com/searchResults?submitted=true&locale=en_EP&DB=EPODOC&ST=advanced&TI=&AB=&PN=&AP=&PR=&PD=&PA=pavel+imris&IN=&CPC=&IC=&Submit=Search (https://worldwide.espacenet.com/searchResults?submitted=true&locale=en_EP&DB=EPODOC&ST=advanced&TI=&AB=&PN=&AP=&PR=&PD=&PA=pavel+imris&IN=&CPC=&IC=&Submit=Search)
"capacitive coils" equipped motors would need an industrial factory work processs change (probably in near future) but the first step :

https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=5&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=20160812&CC=DE&NR=202016004514U1&KC=U1# (https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=5&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=20160812&CC=DE&NR=202016004514U1&KC=U1#)

                     no need of electric motor change cause the energy source is "capacitive coil" based

can you understand german ? or do you need a translation ? espacenet-translation :

 http://translationportal.epo.org/emtp/translate/?ACTION=description-retrieval&COUNTRY=DE&ENGINE=google&FORMAT=docdb&KIND=U1&LOCALE=en_EP&NUMBER=202016004514&OPS=ops.epo.org/3.2&SRCLANG=de&TRGLANG=en (http://translationportal.epo.org/emtp/translate/?ACTION=description-retrieval&COUNTRY=DE&ENGINE=google&FORMAT=docdb&KIND=U1&LOCALE=en_EP&NUMBER=202016004514&OPS=ops.epo.org/3.2&SRCLANG=de&TRGLANG=en)

I wrote here : http://overunity.com/16775/electric-bikescooter-motor/msg510783/#new (http://overunity.com/16775/electric-bikescooter-motor/msg510783/#new)
                       Do not trust 100% technical language translations: you only get probably 50% knowledge

https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/description?CC=DE&NR=202016004514U1&KC=U1&FT=D&ND=3&date=20160812&DB=EPODOC&locale=en_EP#

                       [0020]    Gemäß der Erfindung ist der elektrische Antrieb für viele Elektroverbraucher technisch leicht anwendbar für:

    – Elektrofahrzeuge
– Lokomotiven und alle Schienenfahrzeuge
– Schiffe und Boote
– Induktionsheizung
– Elektroflugzeuge und Hubschrauber
– Satelliten und Spacestations
– elektrische Werkzeuge für Handwerker
– landwirtschaftliche Maschinen
– die metallurgische Industrie
– ein dezentrales und diversifiziertes Energiesystem

I take this german phrases and enter this into the google translator german/saxonic field and let this translate to english/anglo-saxonic :
[0020] According to the invention, the electrical drive is technically easily applicable to many electrical consumers for:

- Electric vehicles
- Locomotives and all rail vehicles
- Ships and boats
- Induction heating
- Electric aircraft and helicopter
- Satellites and Spacestations
- electrical tools for craftsmen
- agricultural machinery
- the metallurgical industry
- a decentralized and diversified energy system

un unimportant -no need to translate - part of this application,is it not ?

Sincerely
              OCWL
Title: Re: Pulling energy from the ambient energy field using a coil capacitor
Post by: triffid on September 21, 2017, 03:28:18 PM
I am able to get an insulated(not closed) paperclip to spin.triffid
So its magnetic flux?
Title: Re: Pulling energy from the ambient energy field using a coil capacitor
Post by: Jack Noskills on October 02, 2017, 01:55:19 PM
What I wrote about induction motors was way too complex and I need to correct myself about that. The solution is so simple that anyone can convert a factory made induction motor by just rewinding the stator coils. Rather than posting the entire pdf I will just put the modified part below.
 
********
Development idea for electric motor
A coil capacitor based electromagnet that is suitable to be used in an electric motor should be an interesting project. Starting point would be to build an experimental coil capacitor based electromagnet and charge it from opposite endpoints of different wire, see the upper coil system in figure 3. Easiest solution would be to use enameled ‘figure eight’ wire, as thin as possible, and measure its capacitance. Charging time depends on the rotation speed, about 10 ms should be enough for a motor that makes 50 revolutions per second (or 3000 rpm). Higher charging voltage creates stronger magnetic pulse due to increased charging current. Adding turns increases the duration of the magnetic pulse due to increased capacitance and creates a stronger magnetic pulse due to increased turn count. A series resistor will increase the duration and decrease the strength of the magnetic pulse due to decreased charging current. You should experiment also how different permeability cores affect to pulse strength but if you plan to convert factory made motors then this is not too important.
 
Next you can continue and try to rewind a DC motor using the information you gained from the first experiment. A second set of brushes can possibly be used to discharge coil capacitor back to source via diodes which gives additional magnetic pulse of opposite polarity. While one coil set is being charged another coil set will be discharged. This adds complexity and is probably not an option when using factory made motors. Winding a DC motor using fine wire without coil former is time consuming and error prone. Besides those brushes eventually wear out so a better alternative is required.
 
An induction motor can be converted in a similar fashion to DC motor. In this case the stator coils are replaced with coil capacitor coils. As the coil capacitor does not produce any heat it is possible to use plastic coil formers which makes coil winding and prototyping a lot easier compared to DC motor. The stator coil capacitors are connected so that the original ‘rotating pole’ effect is maintained. When the motor is running the AC source is pumping charge back and forth through the coil capacitor creating short magnetic pulses in the stator poles that turn the rotor. The capacitor is charged in one cycle and then drained in the next cycle. This process requires zero watts of power. When the AC source is portable the unused coil ends of the coil capacitor can possibly be used to provide DC feedback to source by using e.g. the upper circuit of figure 8. Reason for this is that the magnetic field of the rotor will charge the coil capacitor with like charge which creates time varying fields that pull in energy from the ambient energy field. When the stator coil capacitors are connected in series it is possible to use turn offset to improve energy pickup. In case you decide to try to close the loop make sure that the runaway condition is prevented. Square shaped AC signal creates stronger magnetic pulse than sine shaped AC signal and it is an option when using portable AC source.
 
It is possible to push in ten amperes of current from a 1.5 volt source in a coil capacitor system that has 100 ohm resistance if coils would be connected together. Normally this would require 1000 volts across the coil and use 10000 watts of power but with a coil capacitor based electromagnet below 15 watts are needed for the same job when using a DC motor and zero watts when using an induction motor. Electric motors require only the magnetic component and coil capacitors provide just that which makes them perfect for this job.
************
 
To make the first step, can anyone provide information about capacitance of a reel of figure eight wire, either measurement or a formula that can be used to calculate it ?
 
Thanks for those links lancaIV, I will check them out.
Title: Re: Pulling energy from the ambient energy field using a coil capacitor
Post by: Belfior on October 05, 2017, 06:21:57 PM
trying to replicate this and I thought bigger voltage means bigger gains. Bought this HB-C02 NST with 220VAC input and 3000V 30mA output in two wires.

How do I hook this into the paraller cap that is supposed to feed the spark and primary? I mean there is no center tap for the return wire :(
Title: Re: Pulling energy from the ambient energy field using a coil capacitor
Post by: Belfior on October 06, 2017, 07:19:10 PM
Started my replication and wanted to test some stuff out. Got my slayer exciter running the blue primary with 15V DC. Secondary under the black tape feeds back into the circuit so it is always in resonance. Secondary voltages are way of my scope scale even with 10x probe.

Inside the secondary I got a soft iron bar and placed around it just 2 coils of magnet wire. One end of each coil going into full bridge rectifier inputs. Other ends of the coils are left hanging.

Got a 2000V 0,047 uF WIMA cap on the other side of that FBR. Measuring the cap gives me 30VDC. Attaching a 3V LED gives a faint glow on the LED shown in the image and the LED does not burn out. This means amps are really low.

So there is no spark gap or high voltage going into the coils AND I am not using cap-coils yet. I am going to move into that later. This is just making me think that is there a magical effect on the cap-coil or is it just magnetic coupling of coils like I have now? I mean adding more pickup coils allows me to pick up this magnetic effect multiple times, but we still need amps.

If we are really talking about some other form of energy then of course we do not want amps. I hope I can get into that tomorrow to verify bulbs lighting up with diodes in the output to stop any current
Title: Re: Pulling energy from the ambient energy field using a coil capacitor
Post by: Belfior on October 06, 2017, 10:49:45 PM
Something I did not expect to see. Still same setup. Slayer exciter blasting primary and bottom of the secondary is feeding back into the circuit keeping it in resonance.

Top of the secondary is connected to a 90V gas discharge tube and the other end of the GDT is connected to one of the magnetic wire coils that was placed around the soft iron core. GDT is fully lit even there is no closed circuit. Well magnetically you could say it is closed...

So what I think this means is that I can use my slayer exciter to keep the driving part of the circuit in resonance automatically and then use the GDT to drive another "primary" coil. Then add those coil-capacitors as pickup coils.

Title: Re: Pulling energy from the ambient energy field using a coil capacitor
Post by: profitis on October 08, 2017, 08:59:23 PM
"Do not trust 100% technical language
translations: you only get probably 50% knowledge
https://worldwide.escapescene"

Or -40. but alas,where there is smoke..(my favorite saying)
Title: Re: Pulling energy from the ambient energy field using a coil capacitor
Post by: antimony on November 28, 2017, 05:23:49 PM
I modified an existing coil i had, and i am using on of those hv big killing tennis racket,  and i was only wondering  if i dare to connect my scope probe to a low ohm resistor in series with the load?

Will i fry the scope, or can i just go ahead?
Title: Re: Pulling energy from the ambient energy field using a coil capacitor
Post by: Belfior on November 28, 2017, 07:01:22 PM
I modified an existing coil i had, and i am using on of those hv big killing tennis racket,  and i was only wondering  if i dare to connect my scope probe to a low ohm resistor in series with the load?

Will i fry the scope, or can i just go ahead?

I usually start with an LED and then a full bridge rectifier cap and a DC voltmeter. After that a 5000V probe and then a regular probe. Scope costs a lot and voltmeter costs 3$. Still worried if too high freq can kill the scope or will it just show weird stuff?

Almost broke my iphone when I took a video of my tesla coil... That thing transmits A LOT and it will induct into your iphone circuits
Title: Re: Pulling energy from the ambient energy field using a coil capacitor
Post by: Jack Noskills on December 05, 2017, 01:03:03 PM
Energetic to electric induction occurs in the DC conversion and it is a very powerful effect. It can charge the capacitor to a voltage that equals electric field potential squared. With resonance it is quite easy to achieve 1000 volts electric field potential in a coil capacitor system using a signal generator. This can charge a properly sized capacitor to one million volts!
 
Changes listed:
- Addition to theory which introduces five different induction methods.
- Updated ‘Conversion to hot electricity’ section with new information that resulted from theory update.
- Added ‘Using coil capacitor for pulsing’. It has the same information as before but it is now in a separate section to emphasize the importance of it.
- Added ‘Signal generator testing guidelines’ that guide how to make resonance experiments safely.
 
If you do not fully understand energetic to electric induction and the dangers involved then you must not do resonance testing using capacitors. If you think that signal generator cannot possible be dangerous then this is not for you. This system can hurt and it will if you happen to give it a chance.
 
notes:
- Capacitor charging and the effect of ground have been tested but capacitor charging rate has not been confirmed.
 [size=0pt]- Resonant rise effect in a coil capacitor has not been confirmed but since resonant rise works in a Tesla coil it will work also in a coil capacitor.[/size]
Title: Re: Pulling energy from the ambient energy field using a coil capacitor
Post by: critterfer on December 07, 2017, 02:41:01 AM
well hurry up lets get on it and build these darn things were gonna need alot of them
Title: Re: Pulling energy from the ambient energy field using a coil capacitor
Post by: antimony on December 14, 2017, 12:10:17 PM
Cool its going to be interesting to read the updates.
I have tried to make a small replication, but I havent gotten far with it yet.

Thanks Jack.
Title: Re: Pulling energy from the ambient energy field using a coil capacitor
Post by: Belfior on December 14, 2017, 01:06:01 PM
Cool its going to be interesting to read the updates.
I have tried to make a small replication, but I havent gotten far with it yet.

Thanks Jack.

Yeah I have made like 3 coilcaps now, but I have only driven them with a signal generator. I get an LED to light up with the coilcap, but adding diodes will put that LED out.

Next step is to go higher voltages, but I would expect the "effect" to manifest also on low voltages. Jack is using toroidal ferrite core and I use air core. I am still having doubts if the effect he is seeing is from the ferrite core and not the coilcap.

I also got copper tape for my next coilcap. copper tape + clear scotch tape + copper tape layer 2

Then I got soft copper tubing from fridge cooling system. I will place a thick magnet wire inside that and I got another kind of coilcap to wind on a core
Title: Re: Pulling energy from the ambient energy field using a coil capacitor
Post by: antimony on December 14, 2017, 01:48:18 PM
Yeah I have made like 3 coilcaps now, but I have only driven them with a signal generator. I get an LED to light up with the coilcap, but adding diodes will put that LED out.

Next step is to go higher voltages, but I would expect the "effect" to manifest also on low voltages. Jack is using toroidal ferrite core and I use air core. I am still having doubts if the effect he is seeing is from the ferrite core and not the coilcap.

I also got copper tape for my next coilcap. copper tape + clear scotch tape + copper tape layer 2

Then I got soft copper tubing from fridge cooling system. I will place a thick magnet wire inside that and I got another kind of coilcap to wind on a core

I have experienced the same thing. I have only been able to light single Led diodes, but with a small high voltage transformer.

I am using air core too, but I have noticed differences in brightness of the Leds when i adjust with a ferrite rod.

I have always put on insulator Cu tape between the windings so it be comes a sort of hv cap, and i am also able to light leds with the leads of those .

I have thought of using Cu tuning too, but I dont have any at hand right now, but I will try to get some soon.

Do you make a slit in it so it wont be short ed,  or how do you plan on doing?
Title: Re: Pulling energy from the ambient energy field using a coil capacitor
Post by: Belfior on December 14, 2017, 02:02:09 PM
Do you make a slit in it so it wont be short ed,  or how do you plan on doing?

Sorry did not understand :( Make a slit in what?

If you mean the copper tube with the inner wire, the inner wire will just come out of the ends. You don't have to make the 50% offset like in the coilcap document.
Title: Re: Pulling energy from the ambient energy field using a coil capacitor
Post by: AlienGrey on December 14, 2017, 02:15:34 PM
Yeah I have made like 3 coilcaps now, but I have only driven them with a signal generator. I get an LED to light up with the coilcap, but adding diodes will put that LED out.

Next step is to go higher voltages, but I would expect the "effect" to manifest also on low voltages. Jack is using toroidal ferrite core and I use air core. I am still having doubts if the effect he is seeing is from the ferrite core and not the coilcap.

I also got copper tape for my next coilcap. copper tape + clear scotch tape + copper tape layer 2

Then I got soft copper tubing from fridge cooling system. I will place a thick magnet wire inside that and I got another kind of coilcap to wind on a core
not tried this but can you use one of the zero depletion layer schttky diodes (select one with a very low break over voltage) and of feed it into a jewel thief circuit I have a similar circuit that's been running since last year. (a mos fet in on pos is zero loss and can block the other way  ;D )
Title: Re: Pulling energy from the ambient energy field using a coil capacitor
Post by: Belfior on December 14, 2017, 02:27:50 PM
I think the point of the diodes was to prove that energy flows from the coils, but electricity does not. So any fast diode should be able to block the current
Title: Re: Pulling energy from the ambient energy field using a coil capacitor
Post by: antimony on December 14, 2017, 03:21:28 PM
I think the point of the diodes was to prove that energy flows from the coils, but electricity does not. So any fast diode should be able to block the current

I havent had much time to work properly with this yet, so I havent gotten to testing with diodes at this time.
I am going to use regular 4007 diodes when i do.

I am planning on uploading a short video showing what i got at this moment.

I have would 2 or three of these coils, and the one i wound onto a ferrite toroid from am old tv with the absolute most amount of turns is by far the one that have done worst for itself, while the first one that is an old project, not related to this have done best.
Now i wanted to try to make one like the second, but more according to Jacks pdf, and i think that i am going to be able to try it tomorrow.

I am new to this, so i am usually just lurking in the threads silently, but I can give you the link to the video when i up load it if you are interested.
I could use some feedback. :)
Title: Re: Pulling energy from the ambient energy field using a coil capacitor
Post by: Belfior on December 14, 2017, 03:58:40 PM

I am new to this, so i am usually just lurking in the threads silently, but I can give you the link to the video when i up load it if you are interested.
I could use some feedback. :)

Well then I'm a pro! I bought an oscilloscope 6 months ago and started burning caps... So I'm just lurking here also. The bad thing is I can't remember anything about electronics from school and the good thing is I cannot remember anything about electronics from school :)

My philosophy is that there are too many rocks out in space for Earth to be the only place with life. CIA has been investigating UFOs for over 50 years and the don't do that if they have no proof. Those UFOs did not come here by burning oil or with a rocket. All this means that we have no clue what electricity, magnetism and gravity are. We are also destroying this only rock we are sitting on, so we need to find the answers fast. No amount of money will save you if you cannot breathe.

My goal is to read what others have done and to learn and maybe discover something that will eventually save everybody.

So I am doing all the tests Jack is sending my way and hopefully there is something there.
Title: Re: Pulling energy from the ambient energy field using a coil capacitor
Post by: antimony on December 15, 2017, 09:42:25 AM
Well then I'm a pro! I bought an oscilloscope 6 months ago and started burning caps... So I'm just lurking here also. The bad thing is I can't remember anything about electronics from school and the good thing is I cannot remember anything about electronics from school :)

My philosophy is that there are too many rocks out in space for Earth to be the only place with life. CIA has been investigating UFOs for over 50 years and the don't do that if they have no proof. Those UFOs did not come here by burning oil or with a rocket. All this means that we have no clue what electricity, magnetism and gravity are. We are also destroying this only rock we are sitting on, so we need to find the answers fast. No amount of money will save you if you cannot breathe.

My goal is to read what others have done and to learn and maybe discover something that will eventually save everybody.

So I am doing all the tests Jack is sending my way and hopefully there is something there.

Yes i have understood that conventional science is not always reflecting reality 100%, but it can be good to know it and then confirm or dismiss through experimentation like it is supposed to be i guess.

I am a big proponent of the electric universe theory, and i think if we ciuld build a theory and then create sort of analogs it could be a possibility that we some day can achieve what we want, and what the world craves.

I mean like the sun for instance, if the EU theory are correct it would be possible to create an mini sun or a mini solar system in the lab and use it for power generation in the future.
I dont know if our solar system is over Unity, but it is at least working in unity, if the EU theory is correct.

I dont know if you are fimiliar with the EU theory, but if you are not, please check out http://www.thunderbolts.info

We Share the same dream, and hopefully these forums can be a great tool to research and develope these sort of fringe concepts together.
Title: Re: Pulling energy from the ambient energy field using a coil capacitor
Post by: Belfior on December 15, 2017, 10:25:44 AM
Well I am fond of all kinds of theories, but I mostly just believe on things that can be proven.

This does not mean EU is bullshit. I support that more than I do "Dark Energy", "Dark Matter" and "Virtual Particles" that were invented so that some calculations add up. That is just proof to me, that general relativity is faulty. I think everything is waves. Matter is standing waves.

I already know that what I was told studying to be an engineer is partly bullshit. I was fed laws that some dude wrote more than a hundred years ago. Free energy is impossible because thermodynamics and energy conservation laws. Ok then. First of all give me one closed system. There is none. How do we violate energy conservation, if we just harvest what is already there?

Engineering 20 years ago was just "plug that device in the the wall outlet and start paying the bill. If you get any anomalies in your circuits you ground the shit out of it". That is because energy companies pay for the schools, books and research.

So it is sad, but I think our future lies partly on the shoulders of crazy people trying to find the Holy Grail.

I will go and check that website
Title: Re: Pulling energy from the ambient energy field using a coil capacitor
Post by: antimony on December 15, 2017, 03:32:04 PM
Well I am fond of all kinds of theories, but I mostly just believe on things that can be proven.

This does not mean EU is bullshit. I support that more than I do "Dark Energy", "Dark Matter" and "Virtual Particles" that were invented so that some calculations add up. That is just proof to me, that general relativity is faulty. I think everything is waves. Matter is standing waves.

I already know that what I was told studying to be an engineer is partly bullshit. I was fed laws that some dude wrote more than a hundred years ago. Free energy is impossible because thermodynamics and energy conservation laws. Ok then. First of all give me one closed system. There is none. How do we violate energy conservation, if we just harvest what is already there?

Engineering 20 years ago was just "plug that device in the the wall outlet and start paying the bill. If you get any anomalies in your circuits you ground the shit out of it". That is because energy companies pay for the schools, books and research.

So it is sad, but I think our future lies partly on the shoulders of crazy people trying to find the Holy Grail.

I will go and check that website

Yeah, I am not qualified to claim that either theory is bs, but it generally feel like the EU theory makes sense to me, but I am just a regular dumb Joe.

What you said about everything being waves is just the sort of thing that resonates with me.

And also, I really feel like these sorts of forums with dedicted intelligent people really can make a difference, and progress.

Ps. I am ashamed to say that I still havent figured out what 50% turn offset means. :S
I am not a english speaker, and it can sometimes be hard to translate simple technical stuff like this.

I guess i already know what it is and are using it, but I have to ask becouse i am not sure 100%
Title: Re: Pulling energy from the ambient energy field using a coil capacitor
Post by: Belfior on December 15, 2017, 03:52:47 PM
just look at the coilcap images on Jack's document. There are 2 different ways of doing the coilcap. First option has both wires wound the same way over the core. This is the 0% offset.

Seconds option is where the ends of one wire are connected together and then the wire is cut in half from the middle. One end in the middle is isolated with tape (left open) the the other is connected to load. This is the 50% offset.

I think we know nothing about electricity, magnetism and gravity. Except that they are all connected. People think they know stuff, but they just scrape the surface. They would like to know everything, so they state that what ever they know is everything. Then they write laws about it and get a Nobel prize.

That is the reason we are still sitting on this rock. We do not have enough radical thinkers. We have assholes who want to settle for what we have. Do you think God created billions of galaxies as an error or that we could go see all the wonders and species? Well we are not going to see shit with rockets and by burning oil.

We lost a lot when Maxwell's original equations were normalized so engineering would be easier. We lost the fringe cases and anomalies, that would allow us the develop interesting stuff.
Title: Re: Pulling energy from the ambient energy field using a coil capacitor
Post by: antimony on December 15, 2017, 08:06:52 PM
just look at the coilcap images on Jack's document. There are 2 different ways of doing the coilcap. First option has both wires wound the same way over the core. This is the 0% offset.

Seconds option is where the ends of one wire are connected together and then the wire is cut in half from the middle. One end in the middle is isolated with tape (left open) the the other is connected to load. This is the 50% offset.

I think we know nothing about electricity, magnetism and gravity. Except that they are all connected. People think they know stuff, but they just scrape the surface. They would like to know everything, so they state that what ever they know is everything. Then they write laws about it and get a Nobel prize.

That is the reason we are still sitting on this rock. We do not have enough radical thinkers. We have assholes who want to settle for what we have. Do you think God created billions of galaxies as an error or that we could go see all the wonders and species? Well we are not going to see shit with rockets and by burning oil.

We lost a lot when Maxwell's original equations were normalized so engineering would be easier. We lost the fringe cases and anomalies, that would allow us the develop interesting stuff.

Yeah it is just the way i have done it, so I got it right. :) Thanks.

The fact that we cant explain that electricity is, are the thing that I was intriged about when i first read Jacks pdf.
I would be lying if i say that I understand it completely, but I think it is an interesting find, and i want to wrap my head around what it is Jack have discovered here.

The thing you wrote about physicists write new laws and come up with new theories, and then getting the Nobel prize for it is something that is bothering me too. ×(
I am a native swede, so to me it kind of stings even more then it would have if i wasnt.

Have you heard of something called Deutsche Physik that were active in the 1920-1940's?
I am reading a book called Serving the Reich by Philip Ball that is all about how a group of german scientists and Nobel prize Winners tried to save physics from the then new theoretical physicists like Einstein and Heisenberg.
In this book they are accused that the only reason that they didnt agree with Einsteins view of the world was becouse that he was jewish, and nothing else.

I mean, Tesla wrote about his distrust against the Einsteinians many times, but he was never accused of being a jew hater like Lenard and Stark was. It was probably becouse Deutsche Physik was active during the WW2 era, in Germany, and Tesla was in America. So it was easy to dismiss them as haters with no real arguments, except that they were hated Einstein becouse of his jewish heritage.


Anyway, thanks for clearing up my questions. :)
I appreciate it.
Title: Re: Pulling energy from the ambient energy field using a coil capacitor
Post by: Belfior on December 15, 2017, 08:43:01 PM
Well I'm from Finland falleralleraa!

Never heard of that movement. Was it the same movement, that took the nazis into US and gave them money and new identities, if they gave US the A-bomb so they could murder a couple of civilians in Japan?

Margaret Mead said if we ever encounter aliens we must hide it, because people would get depressed and stop working, if they realized we are not the apex of creation. I think they have done this since the 50s. That bitch ruined star travel and the planet for the rest of us...

What I hate is that I just took the education like I'm supposed to and never questioned anything. They basically told me how to be a good servant and called that education. Now when I get older I find anomalies that go against my education and began to realize, that I was taught bullshit so I would become a good consumer.

There are no laws in the universe! It is all about context and situations. Why would it be impossible to harvest energy? Electron does it many times per second. Why would it be impossible to go faster than light? It might be impossible to push a rocket from zero to light speed, but who gives a fuck about that with these gas prices anyway! What if I don't travel in this dimension? What if I travel in 2d and come back to 3d? Use some imagination.

E=mc^2 says we can't. Does it? To me it says if the mass becomes zero we need zero energy. So what if I insulate my craft from gravitational pull? What people need to do is open their minds and start with a simple exercise. Like finding a closed system and then think what laws of thermodynamic's is telling to you
Title: Re: Pulling energy from the ambient energy field using a coil capacitor
Post by: antimony on December 16, 2017, 01:07:22 PM
Well I'm from Finland falleralleraa!

Never heard of that movement. Was it the same movement, that took the nazis into US and gave them money and new identities, if they gave US the A-bomb so they could murder a couple of civilians in Japan?

Margaret Mead said if we ever encounter aliens we must hide it, because people would get depressed and stop working, if they realized we are not the apex of creation. I think they have done this since the 50s. That bitch ruined star travel and the planet for the rest of us...

What I hate is that I just took the education like I'm supposed to and never questioned anything. They basically told me how to be a good servant and called that education. Now when I get older I find anomalies that go against my education and began to realize, that I was taught bullshit so I would become a good consumer.

There are no laws in the universe! It is all about context and situations. Why would it be impossible to harvest energy? Electron does it many times per second. Why would it be impossible to go faster than light? It might be impossible to push a rocket from zero to light speed, but who gives a fuck about that with these gas prices anyway! What if I don't travel in this dimension? What if I travel in 2d and come back to 3d? Use some imagination.

E=mc^2 says we can't. Does it? To me it says if the mass becomes zero we need zero energy. So what if I insulate my craft from gravitational pull? What people need to do is open their minds and start with a simple exercise. Like finding a closed system and then think what laws of thermodynamic's is telling to you

OH,  a fellow scandinavian.  Kippis! :)

No Deutsche physik is a group of real scientists and many of them Nobel prize Winners for real experimental discoveries, like Philip Lenard and Johannes Stark mainly.
If you would google then and check their wikipedia pages you will see that they are really bashed for that they tried to save physics from Einstein and his friend.

I am sure many of them were arresten and transported to the US after the way, but I dont think that they had any choice in doing so or not.

I agree with the rest you wrote too.

I think that we need to keep this thread dedicated to Jacks coil capacitor, and i think we have been ranting back and fort now for a while, but if there is something you want, please pm me and well talk outsider of this thread. :)
Send me a pm if there is anything you want and i will do my best to help you.

•I have a question about the primary coils, should they be N to N, like bucking coils, or whatever?

I am using right now two primaries connected in the middle by a GDT, and i am using the out er ends, pushing in.

Btw, what are you using to drive it? Are you so fortunate that you are able to be replicating everything as per Jacks instructions?
Title: Re: Pulling energy from the ambient energy field using a coil capacitor
Post by: Belfior on December 16, 2017, 01:21:47 PM
I just have one primary, so I would not know. Seems to me that if you got 0% offset coilcap is does not matter which way it goes or how to current goes.

Jack said using a coilcap as the primary would be the best option, because then the current propagation in the coil is instant. Now I do not agree with everything Jack says. He says only Coulomb's law applies and induction laws don't. To me it is like saying "you are floating on water, so gravity does not affect you". Any coil experiencing a changing magnetic field get currents inducted to it even if it is an open coil or just a ring.

I think you gotta test this now you got a chance! Does it matter if the 2 part primary is CW + gap + CW or if it is CW + gap + CCW wound
Title: Re: Pulling energy from the ambient energy field using a coil capacitor
Post by: stupify12 on December 16, 2017, 01:57:52 PM
 8) 8) Something like this.
Title: Re: Pulling energy from the ambient energy field using a coil capacitor
Post by: Belfior on December 16, 2017, 03:57:04 PM
Hmm you should have your primary over the coilcap. You are supposed to use induction from the primary and not connect flyback output to the coilcap.

Coilcap then has one wire going to load and one end open. Then the other wire going to load and one end open.
Title: Re: Pulling energy from the ambient energy field using a coil capacitor
Post by: PolaczekCebulaczek on December 17, 2017, 01:47:38 PM
Does anyone successfully replicated this negative inductor  http://freenrg.info/Misc/Genesis/

I tried and it did not work, i think that theory behind it is wrong, there is magnetic field between wires, its tiny but still there, its not canceled out to 0.
Title: Re: Pulling energy from the ambient energy field using a coil capacitor
Post by: AlienGrey on December 17, 2017, 03:58:13 PM
looking at this if you want zero inductance you need to wind it like this see pic
results in zero magnetic field.

Don't get me wrong but but what are all the heat sinks for ? and doesn't the LOPT get really hot in that circuit ?
I mean I don't want to throw a spanner in the works but aren't you supposed to use a ramp
driver so the spark charges up then whack! it arks across causing a disruptive spike ?

Ignore me if you want most do  ;D

Allen
Title: Re: Pulling energy from the ambient energy field using a coil capacitor
Post by: Belfior on December 17, 2017, 05:18:17 PM
looking at this if you want zero inductance you need to wind it like this see pic
results in zero magnetic field.

Don't get me wrong but but what are all the heat sinks for ? and doesn't the LOPT get really hot in that circuit ?
I mean I don't want to throw a spanner in the works but aren't you supposed to use a ramp
driver so the spark charges up then whack! it arks across causing a disruptive spike ?

Ignore me if you want most do  ;D

Allen

How do we know what we want? I mean Jack's pdf says the wires are charged like a cap with like charge (positive + positive.) The diaelectric is then holding the charge. Do we want zero inductance on it? If it works just with Coulombs law then yes I guess, but is that really possible? I will copy his rig and do the same testing. There will be an effect or there is no effect
Title: Re: Pulling energy from the ambient energy field using a coil capacitor
Post by: Belfior on December 17, 2017, 05:23:46 PM
Does anyone successfully replicated this negative inductor  http://freenrg.info/Misc/Genesis/

I tried and it did not work, i think that theory behind it is wrong, there is magnetic field between wires, its tiny but still there, its not canceled out to 0.

I think I need to read that page a couple of more times...
Title: Re: Pulling energy from the ambient energy field using a coil capacitor
Post by: Belfior on December 17, 2017, 06:03:06 PM
Does anyone successfully replicated this negative inductor  http://freenrg.info/Misc/Genesis/

I tried and it did not work, i think that theory behind it is wrong, there is magnetic field between wires, its tiny but still there, its not canceled out to 0.

Ok now this would kinda make sense to me, if the two aluminium cylinders are connected on the top with a cap. Then charge the inner core with positive and and the outer core with negative charge. In my mind that means the cores are an extension of that cap.

Then you got a coilcap of sorts wrapped around the outer negative coil and they would get induction from the negative charge. But when the cap is charged nothing moves. This means you have to have like a spark gap that discharges that cap to ground also at the top. Then the charge process would start again. I can't see it working like in the pictures without something like this.

I wonder if you wind the "negative inductor" coil like Jack does. So the coil is open ended, but your terminals are one at the top and one at the bottom. Then you would have an open coil that is charged with like charge (both with negative charge)
Title: Re: Pulling energy from the ambient energy field using a coil capacitor
Post by: PolaczekCebulaczek on December 17, 2017, 08:25:58 PM
Ok now this would kinda make sense to me, if the two aluminium cylinders are connected on the top with a cap. Then charge the inner core with positive and and the outer core with negative charge. In my mind that means the cores are an extension of that cap.

Then you got a coilcap of sorts wrapped around the outer negative coil and they would get induction from the negative charge. But when the cap is charged nothing moves. This means you have to have like a spark gap that discharges that cap to ground also at the top. Then the charge process would start again. I can't see it working like in the pictures without something like this.

I wonder if you wind the "negative inductor" coil like Jack does. So the coil is open ended, but your terminals are one at the top and one at the bottom. Then you would have an open coil that is charged with like charge (both with negative charge)


discharging  cylinder cap is not necessary, this negative inductor is supposedly using relativistic electromagnetism theory to produce magnetic field as BACK EMF, but it does not, maybe relativistic electromagnetism theory is wrong or the B field is not totally canceled out, or both.(I think to cancel magnetic field to 0 the dielectric must be at 0 thickness)
Title: Re: Pulling energy from the ambient energy field using a coil capacitor
Post by: Belfior on December 17, 2017, 10:48:28 PM
back EMF from what? There has to be a break for back EMF to occur.

Maybe you could get that coil to charge capacitively, but why anything else should happen I don't see it
Title: Re: Pulling energy from the ambient energy field using a coil capacitor
Post by: PolaczekCebulaczek on December 17, 2017, 11:21:51 PM
back EMF from what? There has to be a break for back EMF to occur.

Maybe you could get that coil to charge capacitively, but why anything else should happen I don't see it

yeah i had problems with understanding this genesis contraption too, however AFAIK the author is trying to say that electrons (moving in coil) should "see" charges deposited on outer plate and thus a relative motion between them must cause magnetic field to "appear" around non inductive coil so its no loger non inductive and when current stops flowing this field collapses so self induction can occur.

I'm still trying to achieve that and nothing so far, if this would work than we would have a OU as hell!
Title: Re: Pulling energy from the ambient energy field using a coil capacitor
Post by: Jack Noskills on December 23, 2017, 04:26:48 PM
stupify12, your system is using electric current. Coil capacitor systems are using fields. Maybe you could change your system to be field based ? Wire you are using has thick insulation so result is not the best possible but maybe you can still see the white spark which is a sign of energy flow.
 
Laws that are valid in electric current based systems do not apply to electric field systems. You will not find any electrical laws about field systems from the textbooks (except Coulomb’s law) because field systems occur there only in theory e.g. potential or electrostatic theories. We must find these laws ourselves. For example, resistance, inductance and impedance do not appear with fields. You will also most likely not find anything about an oscillating electric field creating a magnetic field because it is the way to collect massive amounts of energy. I haven’t looked for it from the net but I observed the effect myself by accident which then resulted in the pdf after one year.
 
When the charge moves it always creates magnetic field and there is no way around that. You can try to cancel it by using e.g. caduceus windings but then you will also lose the power of it. Magnetic field makes movement in the energy field. When using a solenoid this movement occurs inside the core affecting to source and it is the reason for self inductance (energetic to electric induction occurs). When using fields this movement occurs outside the coil (and core) and it does not affect to source. This movement is energetic current without density. Electric field compresses the energy field resulting in energetic density but it does not create movement. When energetic current and energetic density are both present the induction effect will be much stronger. Both of these energetic components are possible to access simultaneously when using fields.
 
All you need to create this effect is four wires, capacitor, resonance and ground. One pair is primary coil capacitor (connect it like shown in figure 3, with or without turn offset) and another pair is the energy collecting coil capacitor. When the primary is pulsed with the resonant frequency of the energy collecting coil capacitor there will be massive energy flow having both energetic current and density present. This flow can then be used to induce charge in a charge collecting capacitor as it was explained in the pdf. The source is not affected by energetic to electric induction process. Purpose of the source is only to maintain the oscillating fields so that energy keeps on flowing.
 
Hopefully someone can soon do the test sequence using signal generator as described in the pdf and provide scope shots from impulse response and from resonant rise. Ten meters of wire has resonant frequency in the MHz range when coiled around air core tube, 10 MHz is typical. O.5 mm wire can charge a 20nf capacitor to a certain voltage which depends on the electric field potential squared. With 50% duty cycle without resonant rise 10 volts electric field potential is easy to achieve using signal generator. Now if that 20nf capacitor is charged twice every cycle to 100 volts then there will be plenty of hot electricity available. If resonant rise can be achieved there will be energy abundance. Think one hundred million COP and be careful when you run tests.
Title: Re: Pulling energy from the ambient energy field using a coil capacitor
Post by: web000x on December 23, 2017, 05:31:18 PM
stupify12, your system is using electric current. Coil capacitor systems are using fields. Maybe you could change your system to be field based ? Wire you are using has thick insulation so result is not the best possible but maybe you can still see the white spark which is a sign of energy flow.
 
Laws that are valid in electric current based systems do not apply to electric field systems. You will not find any electrical laws about field systems from the textbooks (except Coulomb’s law) because field systems occur there only in theory e.g. potential or electrostatic theories. We must find these laws ourselves. For example, resistance, inductance and impedance do not appear with fields. You will also most likely not find anything about an oscillating electric field creating a magnetic field because it is the way to collect massive amounts of energy. I haven’t looked for it from the net but I observed the effect myself by accident which then resulted in the pdf after one year.
 
When the charge moves it always creates magnetic field and there is no way around that. You can try to cancel it by using e.g. caduceus windings but then you will also lose the power of it. Magnetic field makes movement in the energy field. When using a solenoid this movement occurs inside the core affecting to source and it is the reason for self inductance (energetic to electric induction occurs). When using fields this movement occurs outside the coil (and core) and it does not affect to source. This movement is energetic current without density. Electric field compresses the energy field resulting in energetic density but it does not create movement. When energetic current and energetic density are both present the induction effect will be much stronger. Both of these energetic components are possible to access simultaneously when using fields.
 
All you need to create this effect is four wires, capacitor, resonance and ground. One pair is primary coil capacitor (connect it like shown in figure 3, with or without turn offset) and another pair is the energy collecting coil capacitor. When the primary is pulsed with the resonant frequency of the energy collecting coil capacitor there will be massive energy flow having both energetic current and density present. This flow can then be used to induce charge in a charge collecting capacitor as it was explained in the pdf. The source is not affected by energetic to electric induction process. Purpose of the source is only to maintain the oscillating fields so that energy keeps on flowing.
 
Hopefully someone can soon do the test sequence using signal generator as described in the pdf and provide scope shots from impulse response and from resonant rise. Ten meters of wire has resonant frequency in the MHz range when coiled around air core tube, 10 MHz is typical. O.5 mm wire can charge a 20nf capacitor to a certain voltage which depends on the electric field potential squared. With 50% duty cycle without resonant rise 10 volts electric field potential is easy to achieve using signal generator. Now if that 20nf capacitor is charged twice every cycle to 100 volts then there will be plenty of hot electricity available. If resonant rise can be achieved there will be energy abundance. Think one hundred million COP and be careful when you run tests.


Hey Jacknoskills,


Would it be possible for you to make a video showing some of the novel effects you’ve observed?


I have tried this with a few different trifiar coils and a bifilar pancake coil with an equal copper weight primary.  All of the tests I ran seemed rather conventional in their outcomes.  Maybe you can shed better light on the effects you’re actually seeing.


Thanks,


Dave
Title: Re: Pulling energy from the ambient energy field using a coil capacitor
Post by: sm0ky2 on December 24, 2017, 02:42:57 AM
The ‘dual-helix’ wiring form is the method used in communications
Cat-schedule Ethernet, phone wires etc.


Often called “twisted pair”.


It’s not the same as standard bifilar windings that lie flat side by side
The wires are actually twisted together first
Then coiled


Rather than cutting one at the center,
You wrap a second pair and move the ‘center’ to one of the ends
Based on how you connect the 4 wire ends.
This is a simple convenience.
The idea is that the secondary starts halfway down the primary.
And makes it easier to coil them without screwing with the turns/m


GDT’s might not be as efficient as VDT’s,
But if what he’s saying is true, that’s trivial.
The same should be possible with an adjustable spark gap in air.


And if this works, we don’t need mains, and an inverter.
We could just spark this from a piezo-clicker
And it should keep sparking right?


So we have a center-tapped twisted-pair coil on a toroid inductor
4 ends. Call them coil 1 and coil 2
And we’ll say that they each have a ‘beginning and an end’
And they are on the same ends, meaning we follow them in the same direction


So the beginning of coil one (primary) goes through a spark gap and to the input of the load.
The end of coil 1 goes to a capacitor
the beginning of coil 2 (180-degrees around the toroid) goes to the other end of the load.
And the end of coil 2 goes to the capacitor.


Piezo spark is sent across capacitor
Connect a wire lead to each of the two wires of the piezo clicker
And click it on or close to the cap.


Adjust the spark gap and continue until the voltage across the spark
matches the capacitor value (for the coil capacitor)
that is in resonance with the other capacitor’s side of the loop.











Title: Re: Pulling energy from the ambient energy field using a coil capacitor
Post by: PolaczekCebulaczek on December 24, 2017, 07:15:12 PM
I'm still fighting with genesis contraption, I will try to use non inductive bifilar coax cable coil where outer layer is the charged plate connected to HV source,(the inner wire is where current goes of pulsed 500v) this plate needs a lot of charge density so my question is ; what is the best HV circuit to electrostatically charge a metal object? flyback is quite week for making open circuit sparks, I need to pump out as much electrons from piece of metal as possible.
Title: Re: Pulling energy from the ambient energy field using a coil capacitor
Post by: Jack Noskills on December 26, 2017, 12:52:52 PM

Hey Jacknoskills,


Would it be possible for you to make a video showing some of the novel effects you’ve observed?


I have tried this with a few different trifiar coils and a bifilar pancake coil with an equal copper weight primary.  All of the tests I ran seemed rather conventional in their outcomes.  Maybe you can shed better light on the effects you’re actually seeing.


Thanks,


Dave


I don't have camera, all the information I can provide is in the pdf:
http://overunity.com/17119/pulling-energy-from-the-ambient-energy-field-using-a-coil-capacitor/dlattach/attach/165932/


I don't think twisted pair is more effective than side by side coils.
Title: Re: Pulling energy from the ambient energy field using a coil capacitor
Post by: sm0ky2 on December 26, 2017, 01:11:28 PM
I don’t see the correlation that is being presented by them in the pdf either.


The reason twisted pairs are used in telecom, is to reduce losses over distance
mostly from signal noise from the adjacent wire.
Because of the way data transfer sends pulses down a wire,
two signals can cause interference and reduce signal quality at the receiving end.
IEEE is constantly updating the ratio of twists/meter, in correlation to the average data
that is being used with the communications.


If you look inside Cat5, 5e, cat6
You will find different twists per meter.
In fact, each colored pair have their own specific twists/meter
There are calculations to determine the effects of the twisting


Without knowing specific frequencies and amplitudes
It would be hard for me to calculate the best dual-helix approach.
I assume the pdf is talking about an equal twist-distribution
But in terms of twists per meter, it seems the pdf skips right over that detail
And goes right into testing without any test equipment. (kind of sketchy?)


If your signal is traveling a few inches or even a few feet, it has no effect.
But when you get into 10’s of feet, 30, or 50 feet of wire +
there can be large differences between a twisted pair pancake, and a flat one.





Title: Re: Pulling energy from the ambient energy field using a coil capacitor
Post by: Jack Noskills on December 28, 2017, 04:20:17 PM
Reason why I think twisted pair not more effective than side by side is the space between adjacent turns: it is larger with twisted pair. But of course this can be tested and compared if possible.


As for pictures, just look at how others have done it. Over ten different versions and all had the energy flow in the form of white spark. Unfortunately I did not realize energetic to electric induction until just recently so not much testing with those. Maybe some experimenter is still here and could give more info in the form of scope shots ?


What has been confirmed is that 9V electric field potential turned into 40 DC when using a 47 nf capacitor. But ground connection was not tested so a bit inconclusive.
Title: Re: Pulling energy from the ambient energy field using a coil capacitor
Post by: sm0ky2 on December 28, 2017, 04:56:17 PM
When the field of a dual-helix is considered
It is viewed as a single coherent field. Or column


In transmission wires that use multiple twisted-pairs
Each column is considered when examining the effects
Of one upon the other.


This is the method of engineering the ratios of each pair
in a large bundle.
Such as Ethernet cable, or large phone cables.


Most people only see this on the Ethernet side, telephone
technicians are rarely trained in the physics model, as it doesn’t
affect their jobs. They learn color coded plug and play instructions.
And the ability to tune a pair to find its ends. That’s all they have to
worry about.
It’s the people that make the cable that do this type of math.


A cylindrical radius can be taken around the twisted pair
within which are known field values.


It is this column or cylinder that is considered when coiling
the twisted pair.
Not necessarily the physical distance between each individual wire.


Think of a single wire coil, formed into a toroid.
the field created by the toroid is a larger volume
that the field created by the coil.

Title: Re: Pulling energy from the ambient energy field using a coil capacitor
Post by: sm0ky2 on December 28, 2017, 04:59:45 PM
The toroid example represents a ‘single turn’
in the twisted pair coil
Title: Re: Pulling energy from the ambient energy field using a coil capacitor
Post by: itsu on January 03, 2018, 04:08:36 PM

I was asked by Jack a few days ago to do some testing for him regarding this thread.
I decided to agree, but had some initial questions which i send to him, but up till now i have had no response back from Jack.
So i will start posting here and in due time Jack can start replying and hopefully others will also comment as we (i) will depend on that.


Allthough i offcourse knew about this thread, i did not engage up till now because frankly allthough i understand the theory (not sure about its validity though), i
had problems with Jacks drawings / physical setup.

As a simple replicator i need to "see" the physical thing to be able to build it and the in the PDF given diagrams are not enough for me to visualize it.
There are too many vague statements pointing to those diagrams which i cannot match with what i see.

Anyway, as i understand it, Jack has no good equipment other then some multimeters and lacks both a fast internet link and a good camera for making videos/pictures
and uploading them.
He also then cannot see any uploaded videos/pictures from others which makes it a challence working with him.

But as this setup (bifilar capacitive coupled coils) reminds me of an early promesing project from Tinman i agreed to give it a go.

 
Jack asked me to first build 2 bifilar coils ontop of each other like so:

1. Two coils using ten meters of 0.3 to 0.5 mm enameled wire wound tightly side by side on a plastic tube (diameter 3 to 5 cm): result is a dual helix coil.
   This will be the primary coil capacitor that you will pulse with signal generator that is connected to opposite ends of different coils.
   Pulsing like this creates the most efficient pulses since resistance and impedance are both zero in the primary side.
2. Next add plastic layer so that you get a smooth surface for the second coil.
3. Wind a second dual helix coil on top of primary that is exactly the same like the first one.
   Surface area of the wire controls the amperage and larger area means more amps at the output.
   Add a layer of transparent insulation to protect the wire from scratches.
   You can also see if the coil system is leaking into air (white dots appear).
   You can experiment with turn offset later.


He continued with:

Rest of the testing details are explained in the ‘Signal generator testing guidelines’ section.
Ten meters of 0.5mm wire around 5cm tube using 50% turn offset had resonant frequency at 10.3 MHz in one test system.


After building these coils according to the above given 3 steps i ended up with a 6cm long (short) coil on a 5cm diameter PVC former using
2 layers of 2x 63 turns (126 turns) of 0.5mm magnet wire, see picture 1   

Trying to determine the resonance frequencies is difficult as it changes with nearby objects (hand) and loads (FG).
It boils down to about 3.5Mhz for each individual coil (we have 4 of them) and we have a 292Khz like resonance component when using two opposite coil ends
(so capacitive coupled coils).

The part about the "Rest of the testing details are explained in the ‘Signal generator testing guidelines’ section." is where i am now (see pdf below), but i am having
difficulties in understanding how and where Jack thinks i should connect the FG to test this setup.
The main problem is that my FG and scope have grounded return leads, so a ground loop is quickly made which will influence any results heavily

So hopefully Jack and/or anybody else can give further instructions on how to continue from here.

Jacks PDF:
http://overunity.com/17119/pulling-energy-from-the-ambient-energy-field-using-a-coil-capacitor/dlattach/attach/165932/


Regards Itsu
Title: Re: Pulling energy from the ambient energy field using a coil capacitor
Post by: Void on January 03, 2018, 04:57:24 PM
1. Two coils using ten meters of 0.3 to 0.5 mm enameled wire wound tightly side by side on a plastic tube (diameter 3 to 5 cm): result is a dual helix coil.
   This will be the primary coil capacitor that you will pulse with signal generator that is connected to opposite ends of different coils.
   Pulsing like this creates the most efficient pulses since resistance and impedance are both zero in the primary side.

Hi Itsu. I assume this came from Jack. The last line I quoted above does not make
sense to me. If you have two wound coils side by side like that, they should have a capacitance
somewhere in the pF range, I would guess, so there should be an impedance associated
with that capacitance, which will depend on the operating frequency. Is Jack saying to connect
the ground lead of the signal generator to one end of the two coils, and to connect the red lead
of the signal generator to the opposite end of the other coil? If so, you will have a capacitance between
the two coils, and this capacitance will translate to an impedance when pulsed with a signal generator.

P.S. It is hard to imagine that a person these days doesn't have access to a half decent digital camera or
a cell phone or tablet or whatever, or can't borrow one...

All the best...
Title: Re: Pulling energy from the ambient energy field using a coil capacitor
Post by: itsu on January 03, 2018, 05:18:07 PM

Hi Void,

yes, that 3 steps plan building the coils came from Jack.
He indeed suggest to use this capacitive coupled (so open ends) bifilar first wound coil as the drive coil for use with a FG.
I measure this driving coil to be 2.3nF.

He explains it this way:  "Pulsing like this creates the most efficient pulses since resistance and impedance are both zero in the primary side."
This is to me one of those vague statements i was talking about as the resistance will be very high (not zero) and impedance indeed depending on frequency, but also not zero.

Anyway, we will have to wait for Jack to further explain.


Itsu 
Title: Re: Pulling energy from the ambient energy field using a coil capacitor
Post by: Void on January 03, 2018, 05:23:41 PM
Hi Itsu. Thanks for the clarification.

All the best...
Title: Re: Pulling energy from the ambient energy field using a coil capacitor
Post by: itsu on January 03, 2018, 05:28:32 PM
To confirm the above statement from Jack (Ten meters of 0.5mm wire around 5cm tube using 50% turn offset had resonant frequency at 10.3 MHz in one test system.),

i made 2 different coils on a 5cm diameter PVC former using 0.5mm (AWG 24) magnet wire.

One coil is closely wound (no interwinding space), and the other has a 50% offset, meaning 0.5mm between each winding.

Carefull measurment of these coils shows via severall ways that the closely wound coil (3cm long) has a resonance frequency of 3.13Mhz, while
the 50% offset wound coil (6cm long) has an Fres of 3.9Mhz, so not even half of the above mentioned 10.3Mhz.

This shows to me that it will be very difficult to take steady measurments as slight changes will influence the results.

Anyway, here a short video about these 2 coils setup and the measurement:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t-b1b6rTNLI

 
The screenshot shows the response of the both coils to a pulse (purple)
Yellow is the closely wound coil,
blue is the 50% offset coil.


Regards Itsu   
Title: Re: Pulling energy from the ambient energy field using a coil capacitor
Post by: Belfior on January 03, 2018, 08:05:08 PM
To confirm the above statement from Jack (Ten meters of 0.5mm wire around 5cm tube using 50% turn offset had resonant frequency at 10.3 MHz in one test system.),

i made 2 different coils on a 5cm diameter PVC former using 0.5mm (AWG 24) magnet wire.

One coil is closely wound (no interwinding space), and the other has a 50% offset, meaning 0.5mm between each winding.

Carefull measurment of these coils shows via severall ways that the closely wound coil (3cm long) has a resonance frequency of 3.13Mhz, while
the 50% offset wound coil (6cm long) has an Fres of 3.9Mhz, so not even half of the above mentioned 10.3Mhz.

This shows to me that it will be very difficult to take steady measurments as slight changes will influence the results.

Anyway, here a short video about these 2 coils setup and the measurement:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t-b1b6rTNLI

 
The screenshot shows the response of the both coils to a pulse (purple)
Yellow is the closely wound coil,
blue is the 50% offset coil.


Regards Itsu

What Jack means by 50% offset is when one of the coilcap wires is cut from the middle and the ends are joined together. So one end from the middle is left hanging open and the other end from the middle goes to the load. The 2 coilcap wires should always be wound close together.

I think Jack was talking about my setup with the 10MHz. Have to check my measurements again on this weekend after my move is done.
Title: Re: Pulling energy from the ambient energy field using a coil capacitor
Post by: itsu on January 03, 2018, 08:51:07 PM

Thanks Belfior,

so that would be the lower coil system in the Fig. 3;   that makes sense.

Its not the system that Jack has asked me to build yet, but i can set it up and do the measurement.

Itsu
Title: Re: Pulling energy from the ambient energy field using a coil capacitor
Post by: itsu on January 03, 2018, 10:05:16 PM
The above mentioned Fig. 3 lower coil system has indeed a higher resonance frequency of 8.93Mhz, see screenshot.
But it is very susceptible for noise like the 50Hz mains due to its open ends.
It makes the signal kind of floating.

I use a very loosly coupled FG and the load is only my scope probe.

Itsu
Title: Re: Pulling energy from the ambient energy field using a coil capacitor
Post by: Belfior on January 03, 2018, 10:37:18 PM
I used a FG too and all effects disappeared when I added the diodes to the coilcap like Jack describes in his document.

I will resume testing when I unpack my lab. I will redo the tests with a similar system using a spark gap

Title: Re: Pulling energy from the ambient energy field using a coil capacitor
Post by: itsu on January 04, 2018, 10:43:23 AM

Thanks B,

that is one of my questions to Jack, as after having finished the coil system he describes in my post #176:
http://overunity.com/17119/pulling-energy-from-the-ambient-energy-field-using-a-coil-capacitor/msg514961/#msg514961

he states to use the ‘Signal generator testing guidelines’ section in his PDF to do some testing with it,
but that section starts with pointing to a different kind of coil system setup with diodes and / or sparkgaps
(Fig. 6 or Fig. 7).

So not sure if i have to setup that coil system first before experiment with pulse lengths etc. and where to input the FG pulses.

Itsu
Title: Re: Pulling energy from the ambient energy field using a coil capacitor
Post by: Belfior on January 04, 2018, 11:31:43 AM
yeah my results  differ so much from his I wonder if the spark gap and higher voltages & ferrite core is what produces his effects.

I am going to redo all my experiments with proper measurements as soon as I this move done. Hopefully I will also find all my gear after the move.

I have no doubt that there are some weird effects with these coils. I already got some bulbs to light up with some open ended coils. My test was primary over a ferrite core and then 2 open ended secondary coils around the same core. Secondaries had one end left open and then other end connected to a light bulb. So open circuit but the light turned on
Title: Re: Pulling energy from the ambient energy field using a coil capacitor
Post by: antimony on January 04, 2018, 12:49:32 PM
I just wanted to comment on something Smokey wrote about twisted coils.
I saw a increase in output when i added a twisted pair over a regular bifilar pair, so it may be correct, but i will not bet my life on it becouse the increase in light output is all that i have to back that up with. :)
Title: Re: Pulling energy from the ambient energy field using a coil capacitor
Post by: itsu on January 04, 2018, 04:34:57 PM
I setup my coil system as shown in the Fig. 6 in the PDF, not sure if that is needed, but the
‘Signal generator testing guidelines’ section in the pdf, where i am now, says so, see the picture below of this setup.

Using UF4007 diodes and a 230V GDT.

Not sure where to attach the FG, so i loosly coupled it in on the inside of the tube.

Screenshot shows the FG pulse in blue and the response of the load (across the GDT) in yellow (load is only the scope pobe).
The ringing downs (one at start of the pulse, one at the end of the pulse) show a 208KHz ringing frequency, so no where near
the measured 3.5Mhz resonance frequency of the seperate coils.

Video here:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bNFi2KdUqKA

Need input from Jack if i am on the right track.......

Itsu
Title: Re: Pulling energy from the ambient energy field using a coil capacitor
Post by: Jack Noskills on January 05, 2018, 03:45:32 PM
Use one coil capacitor to give pulses and the second on top for output. Three turns primary is not enough. This pulsing method comes from wistiti’s experiments here, I have not tested it myself.
 
Capacitor charging effect is what should be studied after resonant rise has been achieved. Resonant rise as a phenomena can be found from the net, better that I do not try to explain it.
Title: Re: Pulling energy from the ambient energy field using a coil capacitor
Post by: itsu on January 05, 2018, 04:27:49 PM

Thanks Jack,

i will loose the diodes and GDT for now and use the first layered coil as pulse drive coil.
Did you see the comment from Void about that?  See here:
http://overunity.com/17119/pulling-energy-from-the-ambient-energy-field-using-a-coil-capacitor/msg514965/#msg514965

Resonant Rise seems to be some kind of game as that is what google presents me.

Are you not simply talking about the (normal) situation that when a RLC circuit is in resonance its (voltage/current) amplitude will increase, see here:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electrical_resonance

What about the prototype coils i have?   Is it what you expected?   I would expected to have some longer coil (20 or 30cm long or so)
I have seen pictures in the thread from woopy and DogOne showing different layout (longer) coils.

Some answers on questions you asked via PM, the rest will follow when i have them:
 
- Measure the capacitance of the energy collecting coil capacitor.       
  if this is the 2e layer coil?      its 1.95nF

- Can you see the waveform of the impulse response, is it a damped sinusoid or is it tubular ? How long is it ?   
  See the latest above screenshots; damped sinusoid, 216us, but this is with the Fig. 6 setup, so with diodes.  What is tubular shaped, like a trumpet?

Regards itsu
Title: Re: Pulling energy from the ambient energy field using a coil capacitor
Post by: itsu on January 05, 2018, 10:21:08 PM
OK, taking a few steps back, i have the below layout, 2 layers of 2 bifilar coils (pairs), each seperate coil is about 63 turns on a 5cm diameter former (PVC) using 0.5mm (AWG24) magnet wire.
1st layer coils (pair 1) hooked up as driver capacitively coupled / series to the FG,
2th layer coils (pair 2) hooked up as charge collector capacitivly coupled /  series to the CH1 scope.

A 1Khz 5V all DC 10% duty cycle pulse was fed into drive coil pair 1 and the result on the charge collection coil pair 2 can be seen in the screenshot 1.
We see the resonance ringing at open and close of the pulse to be around 278Khz
When i increase the pulse frequency to 278Khz, we see some resonance sine wave appear (Resonance Rise??), see screenshot 2
Blue is the FG pulse signal,   yellow the collectors coil response.

Answers to some earlier PM questions:

- Induction effect is stronger at higher frequencies. So measure the voltage of the charge collecting capacitor at different resonant frequencies (subharmonics).
 
See video of upwards sweep of the pulse, main resonance seems to be 278Khz, but with harmonics up till 24Mhz (FG max).
The screenshot of the Spectrum Analyzer shows these peaks (resonances) up till 100Mhz, the first peak at far left is the 278Khz peak
 
 
- Change the voltage of the drive pulse to lower/higher value. If generator gives out fixed power then amperage of the pulse should increase when voltage is lowered.
 
when varying the drive pulse voltage (5 to 10V), the output ringing signal increases, so is not fixed.

Video here:   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YpxHlALVfgg&t=15s    (use Chrome or Firefox)

Itsu
Title: Re: Pulling energy from the ambient energy field using a coil capacitor
Post by: wistiti on January 06, 2018, 07:48:22 AM
Thank you Itsu for sharing your results. It is really interesting!
:)
I have not play with this concept since a wile ( not much spare time) but you give me the trill to be back on it!

Sincerly.
Title: Re: Pulling energy from the ambient energy field using a coil capacitor
Post by: itsu on January 06, 2018, 11:44:02 AM

Thanks wistiti,     your welcome.

I hope you guys will chip in (again) and we can explore this further.

What is puzzling me right now is the low (278Khz or so) first resonance peak i see popping up.
I wonder if this could be the resultant (beat) frequency between the 2 pair coils, like say the
first coil pair resonates at 3.2Mhz and the second coil pair at 3.5Mhz so the resultant will be 300Khz.
The second coil pair is ontop of the first pair, so has a longer track (circumference) to cover, so has less turns, so higher Fres.

The higher resonance peaks i see (18, 25, 41Mhz) could be the odd/even harmonics of this (now undetectable) 3.5Mhz base frequency
3.5, (base),  17.5 (5th harmonics),  24.5 (7th harmonic), 42 (12th harmonic), etc.


Anyway, room for more experiments, i hope Jack will find the time to answer the above raised questions.

Regards Itsu
Title: Re: Pulling energy from the ambient energy field using a coil capacitor
Post by: itsu on January 08, 2018, 04:54:07 PM

While waiting for Jack to comment on the above posts / questions, and to give further directions on what he want to be tested, 
i was doing some tests on my own, like doing some measurements around the first resonance peak (285KHz).

I have hooked up my FG to the first coil pair and drive it with a 285Khz AC sine wave of 20Vpp.
I monitor that signal with the blue probe and have my current probe also in that input line so i can monitor the input power.

I shows that when approaching that first resonance peak, the current increases and the voltage decreases, pointing to a series resonance situation (minimum impedance at resonance).
The output almost peaks at that point as can be seen by the yellow probe which is across a 200V / 470uF electrolytic capacitor after a FWBR made of 4 UF4007 diodes.
The real output peak (40V) lays some KHz below resonance.

The scope math function (red trace) calculates the power i input with the FG and is around 100mW at this first resonance peak.

Screenshot shows:
the input voltage from FG in blue (776mv rms)
the input current from FG in green (125mA rms)
the input power from FG in red (97mW mean)
The output voltage on cap in yellow (39V DC)
 
Video here:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O0SX0b6OSeY

For what its worth,  regards Itsu
Title: Re: Pulling energy from the ambient energy field using a coil capacitor
Post by: sm0ky2 on January 10, 2018, 02:03:20 PM
The energy density of the earths electric field most of our altitudes

Is ~13w/m^2
Which is coincidentally less than the field of the human body at close distance


The coil capacitor would have to have a very large surface area.
and should not touch it, you can charge it with your body on accident



Title: Re: Pulling energy from the ambient energy field using a coil capacitor
Post by: itsu on January 10, 2018, 02:40:12 PM
sm0ky2,

so what you are saying is that for the name of this thread "Pulling energy from the ambient energy field using a coil capacitor" to be thru,
we need a very large surface area, like  ~1m² for pulling 13w of energy, right?

Would that large surface area be the total coil area, or only the area where both bifilar coils (almost) touch?



What about this statement:

Established mainstream physicists Dr John Wheeler and Dr Richard Feynman calculated that the amount of zero-point energy in the space volume of a single light bulb is powerful enough to bring all the world’s oceans to the boiling point!

http://aetherforce.com/kozyrev-aether-time-and-torsion/


Itsu
Title: Re: Pulling energy from the ambient energy field using a coil capacitor
Post by: itsu on January 10, 2018, 05:03:30 PM
In an attempt to explain the low resonance frequency (285KHz) of the two bifilar interwound coil pairs (each separate resonance frequencies at 3.5Mhz)
i treated this bifilar coil pair as being a series arrangement of a coil (130uH), a capacitor (2.3nF) and again a coil (130uH), see picture.

The both coils in series would yield a total series inductance of 260uH (130 + 130) and using this resonant calculator  http://www.1728.org/resfreq.htm
i calculated the series resonant frequency to be 206KHz, which is not close.

Using instead the inductance of a single coil (130uH) it calculates the resonance frequency to be 290Khz which is smack on.
So it seems that these bifilar coil pairs behave like a series LC circuit of 1 coil and 1 cap (or perhaps 2 of those series LC circuits, but overlapping).



I created a coil system like the lower part in the picture by winding  2 separate coils (10m wire / 63 turns each) split by a 3nF capacitor, but this
series LC circuit strongly keeps on resonating at 2.37Mhz which is the resonance frequency of the separate coils.

So the bifilar coil pairs do not behave like a normal series circuit of a coil, a cap and a coil.

Itsu
Title: Re: Pulling energy from the ambient energy field using a coil capacitor
Post by: sm0ky2 on January 12, 2018, 04:34:48 AM

What about this statement:

Established mainstream physicists Dr John Wheeler and Dr Richard Feynman calculated that the amount of zero-point energy in the space volume of a single light bulb is powerful enough to bring all the world’s oceans to the boiling point!

http://aetherforce.com/kozyrev-aether-time-and-torsion/ (http://aetherforce.com/kozyrev-aether-time-and-torsion/)


Itsu


To that statement, I would raise a suspicious eyebrow.
First, Wheeler was the professor, Feynman his student.
It would be unlikely that they both are accredited for such
calculations.
Furthermore, I say show me the equations.


If they were likely to even exist, they would’ve readily available
to the thousands of physicists searching for ZPE.


My personal calculations show the energy to be very small:
orders of magnitude smaller than the Earths ambient electric field
I mentioned above.



Title: Re: Pulling energy from the ambient energy field using a coil capacitor
Post by: TinselKoala on January 12, 2018, 08:56:06 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=blojNMW-Ias

https://journals.aps.org/pra/abstract/10.1103/PhysRevA.40.4857

You may also like to look at the work of Julian Schwinger, who shared the 1965 Nobel Prize with Richard Feynman.
Title: Re: Pulling energy from the ambient energy field using a coil capacitor
Post by: AlienGrey on January 12, 2018, 10:07:45 AM
Mr Tinsel many of us are aware of dark energy, hyperspace, and latitudinal punch {faster than light technology}if you can call it a wave Tesla patented the phenomena over 100 years ago with his boat demonstration, it was Oxford university and Marconi who bastardized (a Donald Smith term) the situation, the issue and problem here is collection technology!  ;D 8) :o :-\

Any ideas to sling in the pot other than 30 to 100 foot back garden poles  ?  ;D

Allen
Title: Re: Pulling energy from the ambient energy field using a coil capacitor
Post by: Belfior on January 12, 2018, 10:51:34 AM
In an attempt to explain the low resonance frequency (285KHz) of the two bifilar interwound coil pairs (each separate resonance frequencies at 3.5Mhz)
i treated this bifilar coil pair as being a series arrangement of a coil (130uH), a capacitor (2.3nF) and again a coil (130uH), see picture.

The both coils in series would yield a total series inductance of 260uH (130 + 130) and using this resonant calculator  http://www.1728.org/resfreq.htm
i calculated the series resonant frequency to be 206KHz, which is not close.

Using instead the inductance of a single coil (130uH) it calculates the resonance frequency to be 290Khz which is smack on.
So it seems that these bifilar coil pairs behave like a series LC circuit of 1 coil and 1 cap (or perhaps 2 of those series LC circuits, but overlapping).



I created a coil system like the lower part in the picture by winding  2 separate coils (10m wire / 63 turns each) split by a 3nF capacitor, but this
series LC circuit strongly keeps on resonating at 2.37Mhz which is the resonance frequency of the separate coils.

So the bifilar coil pairs do not behave like a normal series circuit of a coil, a cap and a coil.

Itsu

This is very interesting. This means they will tune together and you get the bonus of the lower freq
Title: Re: Pulling energy from the ambient energy field using a coil capacitor
Post by: Belfior on January 12, 2018, 10:54:44 AM

To that statement, I would raise a suspicious eyebrow.
First, Wheeler was the professor, Feynman his student.
It would be unlikely that they both are accredited for such
calculations.
Furthermore, I say show me the equations.


If they were likely to even exist, they would’ve readily available
to the thousands of physicists searching for ZPE.


My personal calculations show the energy to be very small:
orders of magnitude smaller than the Earths ambient electric field
I mentioned above.

Wheeler and Misner

http://www.cheniere.org/images/geometrodynamicsP129a.jpg

J. A. Wheeler and C. Misner, Geometrodynamics, Academic Press, New York, 1962.
Title: Re: Pulling energy from the ambient energy field using a coil capacitor
Post by: Jeg on January 12, 2018, 12:16:09 PM
The both coils in series would yield a total series inductance of 260uH (130 + 130) and using this resonant calculator  http://www.1728.org/resfreq.htm
i calculated the series resonant frequency to be 206KHz, which is not close.


Hi Itsu, hope you are fine :)

Coils themselves also possess some inter-turn capacity which might also be in series with your measured 2.1nF. This probably takes down the total capacity close to 1.2nF.

regards
Title: Re: Pulling energy from the ambient energy field using a coil capacitor
Post by: AlienGrey on January 12, 2018, 12:21:09 PM
Work your way through this one
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q6yNO6N61Uw

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Title: Re: Pulling energy from the ambient energy field using a coil capacitor
Post by: itsu on January 12, 2018, 02:19:22 PM
Hi Itsu, hope you are fine :)

Coils themselves also possess some inter-turn capacity which might also be in series with your measured 2.1nF. This probably takes down the total capacity close to 1.2nF.

regards

Hi Jeg,

i am fine thanks,  hope you are too.

Yes, you are right, but i calculated the inter-turn capacity of my coils by using the same resonance calculator and using the self resonance frequency (3.5Mhz) of the coil and
the measured inductance (130uH) as to be only 16pF.

So i don't think that will influence the result to much.


Regards itsu
Title: Re: Pulling energy from the ambient energy field using a coil capacitor
Post by: sm0ky2 on January 12, 2018, 02:53:32 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=blojNMW-Ias (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=blojNMW-Ias)

https://journals.aps.org/pra/abstract/10.1103/PhysRevA.40.4857 (https://journals.aps.org/pra/abstract/10.1103/PhysRevA.40.4857)

You may also like to look at the work of Julian Schwinger, who shared the 1965 Nobel Prize with Richard Feynman.


I am by no means minimizing the man's contributions to quantum dynamics.
The equations that govern the quantum fluctuations, the Casmir effect, and other
particle phenomena, deal with a cosmological unit of measurement that is relatively
infinitesimal, compared to our human condition.


Hmm..... allow me to put this in another way.


The unit is measurably one trillionth of an Erg per cubic centimeter.
One Erg is 1 x (10^-7) Joule.


Hardly enough in a coffee cup to boil the water in a coffee cup.
Much less "all the oceans in the world"


I would like to see the alleged equations that lead to this conclusion.
Title: Re: Pulling energy from the ambient energy field using a coil capacitor
Post by: Jack Noskills on February 21, 2018, 08:56:23 AM

I haven’t been able to follow since my previous post in the beginning of January so some parts of this post could be outdated. Hitting send anyway, need to catch up next.[/size]

I setup my coil system as shown in the Fig. 6 in the PDF, not sure if that is needed, but the
‘Signal generator testing guidelines’ section in the pdf, where i am now, says so, see the picture below of this setup.

Using UF4007 diodes and a 230V GDT.

Not sure where to attach the FG, so i loosly coupled it in on the inside of the tube.

Screenshot shows the FG pulse in blue and the response of the load (across the GDT) in yellow (load is only the scope pobe).
The ringing downs (one at start of the pulse, one at the end of the pulse) show a 208KHz ringing frequency, so no where near
the measured 3.5Mhz resonance frequency of the seperate coils.

Video here:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bNFi2KdUqKA (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bNFi2KdUqKA)

Need input from Jack if i am on the right track.......

Itsu
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 It took a while for me to understand what was the confusion about. My referring to figs 6 and 7 was a mistake in the pdf, should have been clearer. What was meant was to use the diode or spark connection using one coil capacitor system. The figures 6 and 7 were from a test case where I used two separate coil sets on two coil formers instead of one. Then after 8 months I wrote the SG section and was careless. Very sorry about that. So use just one coil capacitor system for pulsing, second for energy collecting and then use blocking diodes and safety spark gap. Charge collecting capacitor should work with any metal object as ground but haven’t tested this.
 
Now trying to answer questions and hopefully clearing all remaining issues. Deliberately over explaining to avoid further misunderstandings.
 
Coil capacitor uses the Coulomb effect between charged bodies which is maximized when distance between bodies is minimized. So always make as tight coils as possible. Coil capacitor is also more effective the more it has charge on it. A primary with more turns is better since it creates stronger magnetic pulse than primary having less turns. Same from Coulomb’s law: U = constant * Q * Q / (distance*distance). Electric field potential U is maximized when charge Q in the charged bodies is increased or distance between charged bodies is minimized.
 
I try to explain resonant rise (or voltage amplitude rise) how I think it happens in this system. Consider a coil capacitor system having 10 MHz resonant frequency f (100ns cycle time) and it is pulsed using a 50 ns pulse. Suppose single pulse creates one ringdown that lasts 1000 cycles. When next pulse occurs after 2000 cycles the result is two separate ringdowns and no resonant rise. If second pulse is given after 500 cycles then ringdowns overlap and they add up resulting in resonant rise. The frequency of the pulses that can cause resonant rise can be computed from f/n where n > 0 and n is integer. In this case n can have values 1,2,3,… 1000. I used 25% cycle time in the pdf and realized now that it is wrong.
 
About pulsing using coil capacitor. FG is connected to beginning of red wire and to end of black wire. When coil capacitor is being charged by the pulse current goes CW in the red wire. Charge that appears in the black wire will also go CW when it comes out. So result is 126 turns going CW creating a magnetic pulse. Coil capacitor limits the pulse length and current may drop to zero before 50% of the cycle is complete. When the drive pulse goes down then coil capacitor discharges immediately giving a push to other direction so timing will be correct. This was seen in the scope shots (purple pulse, links below) as two voltage spikes that occurred at precisely correct time instants.
 
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Possible experiments
 
There are two ways to create a current pulse using a coil capacitor as primary. Capacitor is first fully charged and then discharged, or capacitor is discharged while it is still being charged (current reversal method). Which method creates stronger current pulse ? Easiest way to increase charging time is to add capacitor between the open ends of the primary (this should work and is easier than to add turns). Current reversal method should also return back more charge than what was pushed in. This should be visible in the scope: area under the return current pulse is greater than the area under the incoming current pulse. Return current pulse is greater when current flow is stopped while it still has high amperage in it. What if the reversal current is also interrupted before completion ? Back spike runaway if pulse occurs every cycle or stronger pulses if pulse occurs less frequently ? Maybe unsafe, don’t know but better be aware of this possibility.
 
Adding ferrite core should increase the strength of the magnetic pulse resulting in greater ringdown. Resonant frequency should not be affected by ferrite core. With ferrite magnetic pulse could be hundreds of times stronger so adding capacitance should be done gradually. For example: 1nf, 2nf, 4nf, 8nf, 16nf, etc. Current pulse creates the ringdown and therefore it would be good to see it.
 
After these tests we will know the optimum pulsing system and method. If capacitor charging happens twice per cycle then we can move on and try stronger pulses. FG driven MOSFET is the simplest option I can think of. Start from the same voltage as the FG and slowly increase the charging current only and monitor changes. This is the most dangerous part. If the coil wire resistance affects to current of the pulse then voltage can be increased. Coil capacitor pulses are fast so I don’t see that sparks are necessary to create pulses. Stronger push means faster capacitor charging and it needs to be taken into account if pulsing uses the current reversal method. Putting a capacitor in the primary should fix this problem easily. Consider also this: it requires 628 kV to push 100 mA of current through a coil having 100mH inductance at 10 MHz. When inductance is zero it requires only 1.5V to push 1A through the same system if resistance is 1.5 ohms. What this can do to a ferrite core, can it cause unhealthy side effects ? Gamma meter could be handy to have around. Don talked about gamma flux which is created by electric field that can be measured with a gamma meter. What if ferrite turns gamma flux into a gamma ray when MHz gets pushed through it ? Compressed stream of energy does not sound healthy to me.
 
Attached is the simplest oscillator I could find and explanation how I think it should work. It is not complete and there are some questions in the pdf. If this could be used to create pulses then it would be only a bit more complex than a joule thief. There is also updated SG testing guidelines with errors fixed.
 
How to verify if resistance of coil affects to coil capacitor charging current ?
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The three scope shots from itsu on page 13 showed why 50% turn offset coil is better. It has about three times higher resonant frequency and it also has greater ringdown. The fast purple pulse was also interesting as it showed the coil capacitor charge and discharge cycle: http://overunity.com/17119/pulling-energy-from-the-ambient-energy-field-using-a-coil-capacitor/msg514986/#msg514986 (http://overunity.com/17119/pulling-energy-from-the-ambient-energy-field-using-a-coil-capacitor/msg514986/#msg514986)
 
Inductance L is zero which makes impedance 2pi*f*L also zero that is for sure (should have called it inductive reactance but forgot to use that term). Capacitive reactance 1/(2pi*f*C) approaches zero when f and C is increased. With 10Mhz and 100nf impedance is 0.16 ohms, not too far from zero. Just look how sharp the pulse is and without any ripple. Pulse rise time below 10ns and pulse fall time (from 1V to -3V) also below 10ns. This gives two sharp edges per pulse instead of one. A perfect pulse that can happen every cycle even at 100 MHz. Power is not drawn from FG as it is only pumping charge through a capacitor. The 8.93Mhz pulse was interrupted before coil capacitor was fully charged. The 3.91MHz pulse was able to fully charge the 2.3nF capacitance of the primary coil capacitor:
http://overunity.com/17119/pulling-energy-from-the-ambient-energy-field-using-a-coil-capacitor/msg514973/#msg514973
 
The blue input pulse was slow, weak and full of ripple compared to the purple pulse of the coil capacitor:
http://overunity.com/17119/pulling-energy-from-the-ambient-energy-field-using-a-coil-capacitor/msg515020/#msg515020
 
Rise time lasted around 15 microseconds and fall time was also slow. This pulse is good only up to 100 kHz. Faster frequency weakens the pulse strength because of inductance so it does not give greater ringdown. Pulse is weakened also if ferrite core is used or more turns are added because inductance is increased which increases impedance. Blue pulse had no effect to output while current in it had reached maximum value, it only consumed charge from the source. But there must be current present until 50% of the cycle time has passed otherwise there will be falling edge and reverse pulse occurs too early.
Title: Re: Pulling energy from the ambient energy field using a coil capacitor
Post by: Jack Noskills on March 01, 2018, 09:11:37 AM
Itsu, the prototype coils you have are perfect, resonance occurs in them and it can be studied safely. Tubular is like a trumpet but never mind about that anymore as those scope shots showed everything. The sine wave seen in the output is the resonant rise. Setting the duty cycle to 50% should blend in the pulse at resonant frequency leaving only the sine wave left and perhaps increasing the amplitude of it. Sine wave has pulls in the energetic components since it has the charge accumulated over time oscillating in rhythm (high amperage). The input pulse has low power so its reflection in the output will also have low power. Oscillations should be greater when using DC pulses than with sine wave input because DC pulse has faster rate of change. The oscillation that is seen in the scope is what causes the energy to flow. The electric field oscillation pulls in energetic density and the magnetic field that is created by the oscillating electric field pulls in the energetic current. We don’t see the magnetic field, maybe a current probe could show it ? This process will then induce charge in a capacitor so that the voltage in the capacitor exceeds the oscillation amplitude. This you already showed when 470uf capacitor was charged to 39V. 
 
278kHz/285 kHz resonance frequency seemed to appear when blocking diodes were removed from the coil ends. We should aim for high frequencies so this is not good. This makes me think that it is better to use blocking diodes from now on (after the output power from the 285kHz system is known so that we get a baseline value to compare the changes against, see below).
 
When the input signal was pulsed DC having 10% duty cycle at 278 kHz the electric field potential was 9.81V (sine wave peak to peak was bit lower, about 8 volts). Pulse length could be made much less, 30 ns should be enough to create same output waveform. How short pulse can be used ? This test would confirm that the optimum pulse length is related to the length of primary coil (pulse traverse time). Then compare this to the oscillations created by 50% duty cycle signal. If 50% duty cycle pulse is significantly better then we need simplest possible circuit that can make them. I am aware of one that uses several resistors, two capacitors and three transistors. I considered it too complex and this is why the oscillator in the refdesign.pdf is what it is. Another option is to make C1 variable but tuning would be difficult without scope.
 
When input is sine wave the electric field potential will be lower than 8V. Since 470uF capacitor was charged to 39V the electric field potential should be 6.24V in this case (square root of 39).
 
The 470uf capacitor was connected so that the charge accumulated over time. This is good since charge can be induced directly into the capacitor and it is not necessary for the charge to go through diodes before it can be used (which could heat the diodes when amperage is high). It also provides maximum output power and it is not necessary to search for the optimum capacitor value. I try to compute how much power this system should now provide. Based on the setup done by Belfior (10.3MHz system) I could estimate that 20nf of capacitance is filled to a certain voltage (in this case to 39V) when using 0.5mm wire. This estimate could be wrong due to frequency difference though.  470uf/20nf = 23500 cycles and if charging occurs twice per cycle then 11750 cycles are needed to fill the 470uf capacitor. With 285kHz the capacitor is filled 285kHz/11750 = 24.25 times per second. The amount of Coulombs is Q=U*C which is 39V*470uf = 18.33mC. Current will then be 24.25*18.33mC=0.45A and the power is 39V*0.45A=17W. When using DC pulse and about 64V this results in 0.73A at 64V which is 46.7W. To get this power out ground should be connected to capacitor minus terminal. Power should be then proportional to electric field potential to a power of four: increase it two times and output increases 16 times, increase it ten times and output increases 10000 times. This will quickly go to insane power levels. So about this much in theory, but how about in practice ?
 
It could be tested whether the diodes in the FWBR can be removed. First connect ground to minus terminal of the 470uf cap and put some resistive load across the cap. Measure the current through the load. Next remove diodes connected to minus terminal and again measure current through load. If current is still present then diodes can be reverted so that they become blocking diodes. Next add blocking diodes also to free ends and connect them all together and put plus terminal of the cap to this point, you should get double output. Resonant frequency also changes back to 3.5Mhz. If this works then it means that the energy flow can charge the capacitor by touching the plus terminal only. Then adding second capacitor parallel to first one should increase the output power. Capacitors should be connected so that plus terminals are connected to different parts of output wire. Maybe use longer wire that has no insulation to connect the opposite grouped coil ends together. In other words, replace the safety spark gap with bare wire. Then connect one capacitor + to one side and slide the other + terminal along the bare wire. If capacitors are connected to same point then it could be that the energy flow is split between capacitors and output power remains the same. This is just my speculation, I have no idea what will happen. But we will learn something about the behavior of the energy flow in any case.
 
Can, say 100nf to 500nf, AC capacitor be used in place of 470uf capacitor ?
 
This power scope shot was interesting:
http://overunity.com/17119/pulling-energy-from-the-ambient-energy-field-using-a-coil-capacitor/msg515237/#msg515237
The negative part of current amplitude was greater than positive part. Does this mean that more charge is returned than what is pushed in the capacitor ? This scope shot also shows that current and voltage are in phase. If this is true for all frequencies then it confirms that inductive reactance (2*pi*f*L) of a coil capacitor is zero. Further more, coil capacitor is a capacitor that charges itself with like charge (plus plus) while it is being charged with EMF (plus minus). This means that inductance L is not zero but 2*pi*f*L is zero. Charging effect should be stronger when using a ferrite core. I was unable to watch the video so maybe I missed something. If the above conclusion is wrong then correct me.
Title: Re: Pulling energy from the ambient energy field using a coil capacitor
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Title: Re: Pulling energy from the ambient energy field using a coil capacitor
Post by: itsu on March 02, 2018, 10:53:04 AM

Seen the above posts; i moved on to other projects for now, when time permits i have to digest all of this above info and will reply.

Regards Itsu 
Title: Re: Pulling energy from the ambient energy field using a coil capacitor
Post by: Jack Noskills on March 28, 2018, 01:54:41 PM
Itsu, the following test sequence should be informative. Take the 275 kHz system, disconnect the FWBR and pulse it at its resonant frequency using 50% duty cycle. Measure voltage and current in the drive to get (U1,I1). Then measure electric field potential (sine wave peak to peak) and current using current probe at one wire end in the output side to get (U2,I2). There are current oscillations visible in I2 though the wire is not connected to anywhere ? I could feel something by hand with my test system when I hold the enameled wire and made the white spark. Sensation was the same before spark was formed and during the spark so something is there. I think it is the electric field and with that there is magnetic field also which current probe should be able to show. If so, then putting second current probe at the opposite end of different coil should show current oscillations which has 180 degree phase offset compared to other end. woopy’s scope shot on page 7 showed strong current oscillations with load attached. If they are present also without load then it would confirm the presence of magnetic field potential. This would be valuable information from theory point of view.
 
Next add the FWBR and 470uf capacitor and again check U1,I1 and U2,I2. They should not change. Now connect ground to negative terminal of capacitor and put some resistive load across it, then check U1,I1 and U2,I2. Again these should not change. If there is a change then putting blocking diodes between coil end and bridge should prevent it (can this change resonant frequency?). Finally move the probes from the output side to FWBR and measure voltage in the capacitor and current when load is connected to get (U3,I3). While you are at it, decrease the duty cycle of the drive pulse as long as power is generated and test how short pulse is still working (if not already done).
 
This test sequence should confirm that:
- Oscillating fields remain intact when power is pulled from the DC capacitor.
- U3 equals U2*U2.
- I3 is related to oscillating frequency and it is greater than I2.
- U3>U2 and I3>I2 proves the existence of energetic component which charges the capacitor by energetic to electric induction.
- Output power exceeds the input power: U3*I3 > U2*I2 > U1*I1.
 
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From theory point of view there should exist a power of four relation between the coil capacitor’s capacitance (C) and the amount of induced charge in the charge collecting capacitor per cycle. This is because there occur two rate of changes. First happens in magnetic to energetic induction that creates the energetic current flow and the second in DC conversion which is done by energetic to electric induction as energetic component changes direction between two unequal magnetic field potentials. So when C is increased two times the amount of induced charge should be increased sixteen times.
 
One possibility to test this quickly is to use the inner coil pair for energy collecting and the outer coil pair for pulsing. When the capacitance of the energy collecting coil capacitor changes from 1.95nf to 2.3nf the output amperage should increase 1.935 times (2.3/1.95 to power of four) if electric field potential remains unchanged. Electric field potential can be matched by adjusting the voltage of the drive pulse. In case this relation is ‘only’ power of two then amperage should increase 1.39 times. What is the capacitance of a 50% turn offset coil system, maybe that could be used in this test ? Instead of measuring amperage at the output you can measure the optimum series capacitor value which tells the amount of induced charge per cycle: Q=U*C. The measurement procedure is explained in the new version of the pdf, see equation (5).
 
If the above test did not give conclusive result the capacitance difference can be increased by using layered coil pairs which should have greater capacitance. Test them both ways to get a valid comparison result between the two. Core diameter can be different but the number of layers and turns per layer should be the same in both coil pairs. The first coil pair can be done using about ten meters of wire and the second will need a bit more due to increased diameter. Add some insulation between the coil pairs. More layers should give better result so at least four layers should be used. For simplicity zero turn offset can be used in this test setup.
 
Adjusting the drive pulse voltage increases the ring down which will in turn increase the output power, both volts and amperage are increased. If 5 volts resulted in 8 volts ring down then it should be possible to increase it easily to 15 volts by adjusting the drive pulse. This should charge the capacitor to 225 volts so be careful should you decide to try it out.
 
Attached is the pdf with some updates. There is a section that explains the reason for law squares (and possibly beyond) and how it affects to system, see ‘Definition of rate of change’. Updated ‘Conversion to hot electricity’ based on the new finding which can be confirmed or proved to be wrong with the proposed capacitance test. The pdf has some error fixes related to resonance and coil capacitor impedance. Couple of new coil capacitor systems are presented at the end. Maybe fourth order rate of change can be found with the face to face spiral coil system if it exists, see figure 11.
 

Title: Re: Pulling energy from the ambient energy field using a coil capacitor
Post by: itsu on March 31, 2018, 10:10:53 PM
Itsu, the following test sequence should be informative. Take the 275 kHz system, disconnect the FWBR and pulse it at its resonant frequency using 50% duty cycle. Measure voltage and current in the drive to get (U1,I1). Then measure electric field potential (sine wave peak to peak) and current using current probe at one wire end in the output side to get (U2,I2). There are current oscillations visible in I2 though the wire is not connected to anywhere ? I could feel something by hand with my test system when I hold the enameled wire and made the white spark. Sensation was the same before spark was formed and during the spark so something is there. I think it is the electric field and with that there is magnetic field also which current probe should be able to show. If so, then putting second current probe at the opposite end of different coil should show current oscillations which has 180 degree phase offset compared to other end. woopy’s scope shot on page 7 showed strong current oscillations with load attached. If they are present also without load then it would confirm the presence of magnetic field potential. This would be valuable information from theory point of view.
 
Next add the FWBR and 470uf capacitor and again check U1,I1 and U2,I2. They should not change. Now connect ground to negative terminal of capacitor and put some resistive load across it, then check U1,I1 and U2,I2. Again these should not change. If there is a change then putting blocking diodes between coil end and bridge should prevent it (can this change resonant frequency?). Finally move the probes from the output side to FWBR and measure voltage in the capacitor and current when load is connected to get (U3,I3). While you are at it, decrease the duty cycle of the drive pulse as long as power is generated and test how short pulse is still working (if not already done).
 
This test sequence should confirm that:
- Oscillating fields remain intact when power is pulled from the DC capacitor.
- U3 equals U2*U2.
- I3 is related to oscillating frequency and it is greater than I2.
- U3>U2 and I3>I2 proves the existence of energetic component which charges the capacitor by energetic to electric induction.
- Output power exceeds the input power: U3*I3 > U2*I2 > U1*I1.
 
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From theory point of view there should exist a power of four relation between the coil capacitor’s capacitance (C) and the amount of induced charge in the charge collecting capacitor per cycle. This is because there occur two rate of changes. First happens in magnetic to energetic induction that creates the energetic current flow and the second in DC conversion which is done by energetic to electric induction as energetic component changes direction between two unequal magnetic field potentials. So when C is increased two times the amount of induced charge should be increased sixteen times.
 
One possibility to test this quickly is to use the inner coil pair for energy collecting and the outer coil pair for pulsing. When the capacitance of the energy collecting coil capacitor changes from 1.95nf to 2.3nf the output amperage should increase 1.935 times (2.3/1.95 to power of four) if electric field potential remains unchanged. Electric field potential can be matched by adjusting the voltage of the drive pulse. In case this relation is ‘only’ power of two then amperage should increase 1.39 times. What is the capacitance of a 50% turn offset coil system, maybe that could be used in this test ? Instead of measuring amperage at the output you can measure the optimum series capacitor value which tells the amount of induced charge per cycle: Q=U*C. The measurement procedure is explained in the new version of the pdf, see equation (5).
 
If the above test did not give conclusive result the capacitance difference can be increased by using layered coil pairs which should have greater capacitance. Test them both ways to get a valid comparison result between the two. Core diameter can be different but the number of layers and turns per layer should be the same in both coil pairs. The first coil pair can be done using about ten meters of wire and the second will need a bit more due to increased diameter. Add some insulation between the coil pairs. More layers should give better result so at least four layers should be used. For simplicity zero turn offset can be used in this test setup.
 
Adjusting the drive pulse voltage increases the ring down which will in turn increase the output power, both volts and amperage are increased. If 5 volts resulted in 8 volts ring down then it should be possible to increase it easily to 15 volts by adjusting the drive pulse. This should charge the capacitor to 225 volts so be careful should you decide to try it out.
 
Attached is the pdf with some updates. There is a section that explains the reason for law squares (and possibly beyond) and how it affects to system, see ‘Definition of rate of change’. Updated ‘Conversion to hot electricity’ based on the new finding which can be confirmed or proved to be wrong with the proposed capacitance test. The pdf has some error fixes related to resonance and coil capacitor impedance. Couple of new coil capacitor systems are presented at the end. Maybe fourth order rate of change can be found with the face to face spiral coil system if it exists, see figure 11.
 

Hi Jack,

ok, got some time to do some tests, but your above input is massive, so will take small steps only, like the black highlighted part for now.

Using my double bifilar coil (see post #176) as shown in your PDF fig. 6 without the diodes, GDT, load and interconnections.

Input from my FG is on the fig. 6 upper bifilar coil, ground FG to the left blue connection, "plus" FG to the right red connection.
See diagram 1
Tuned to resonance (291Khz) shows as input signals the screenshot 1 and as calculated input power 38mW.
Yellow is voltage across the input coil, green is the current into the input coil, red is the math trace voltage x current.

The output is the fig.6 lower bifilar coil, ground scope to the left blue connection, scope probe to the right red connection, see again diagram 1
Still tuned to resonance (291Khz) shows as output signals the screenshot 2 and calculated output power 322uW 
Yellow is voltage across the output coil, green is the current into the output coil, red is the math trace voltage x current.

FG was set to 10Vpp square wave AC 50% duty cycle.

So we have minimum current detected in the output coil resulting in minimum output power measured (322uW)

   
Itsu
Title: Re: Pulling energy from the ambient energy field using a coil capacitor
Post by: itsu on April 01, 2018, 04:34:56 PM

Quote
If so, then putting second current probe at the opposite end of different coil should show current oscillations which has 180 degree phase offset compared to other end.
woopy’s scope shot on page 7 showed strong current oscillations with load attached.
If they are present also without load then it would confirm the presence of magnetic field potential.
This would be valuable information from theory point of view
.


So next step is to use a 2th current probe to measure the current on the output coil, but on the opposite coil/side, see diagram below for locations of voltage and current probes.
The resulting outputs are in the screenshot.

Yellow voltage across the output coil, green the original current on one side of the output coil (CP1), purple on the other side of the output coil (CP2).

It shows an almost 10 times higher rms current on the opposite side of the output coil (CP2) as compared to the original side (CP1).
Confirmed by swapping over the current probes.

 
Concerning the phase, the currents (green and purple) show the same phase, however that is easily changed by turning over one of the current probes, so that is not clear what it is normally.
In the diagram i have noted with a red arrow the measurement direction of the current probe.


Itsu
Title: Re: Pulling energy from the ambient energy field using a coil capacitor
Post by: itsu on April 02, 2018, 12:11:08 PM

Concerning the phase difference between voltage  (yellow) and current (green / purple) in the above screenshots, it should be noted that in an inductive
circuit as this is, the voltage should be leading the current.

So the current traces (current probes) should have been reversed (180°) as they should lag the voltage.
I think i do have the 2 current probes relation correct (in phase).

The 8pF / 10MOhm scope probe will cause a load to the 291Khz signal of about 68 Ohm

(http://www.66pacific.com/calculators/capacitive-reactance-calculator.aspx)

No idea why i see 2 different current amplitudes (x10) at the both output coil ends.


Itsu
Title: Re: Pulling energy from the ambient energy field using a coil capacitor
Post by: gyulasun on April 02, 2018, 12:33:22 PM
Dear itsu,

A 8 pF capacitor has  68,366 ohms  i.e 68.3 kOhm capacitive reactance at 291 kHz.
(English usage difference between comma and decimal point in the calculator you linked to.)

Gyula
Title: Re: Pulling energy from the ambient energy field using a coil capacitor
Post by: itsu on April 02, 2018, 12:52:57 PM

Oops, you are very right Gyula, i missed that.

So 68KOhm is the load,  thanks.

Itsu
Title: Re: Pulling energy from the ambient energy field using a coil capacitor
Post by: Jack Noskills on April 11, 2018, 12:03:01 PM
Thanks for the new scope shots Itsu, very informative! Two different currents at coil ends (that are not connected to anything) confirm the presence of magnetic field potentials. The input current from FG seems to be a blurred sine wave with some spikes in it. The sine part is not coming from FG which is feeding square pulses only the spikes are created by the FG when capacitor is charged. This can be verified easily by reducing the duty cycle below 1%. To get rid of it connect the same ends if output coil pair together so that result is two parallel coils not connected to anything.
The blur is caused by high frequency oscillation which we already saw when blocking diodes were used. You should be able to tune to this frequency, make a sweep using 50% duty cycle.
So what has been confirmed in my mind so far:
-   [/font]Why a coil capacitor with turn offset is better
-   [/font]Capacitive pulsing is a working solution
-   [/font]Charge collecting capacitor is charged to a higher voltage than what is around it. Either serial or parallel connected capacitor can be charged. Ground connection will pull the charge out from the capacitor.
-   [/font]50% duty cycle and shorter 10% pulse can create the resonant rise effect.
-   [/font]Larger surface area in the energy collecting coil capacitor (copper tape) increases amperage.
-   [/font]Magnetic field potentials are present in the output side.
Putting next some formalized test cases (TC), maybe it helps to see some structure and what is left to complete phase one of this project.
Using the 50% turn offset system pulse it with 1kHz and 10% duty cycle pulse. Connect opposite endpoints of different coils with safety spark gaps. Measure electric field potential across one spark gap and current from either side of the other spark gap. Take voltage and current from the driver as well. Then do the following test cases:
TC0. Measure the capacitance of both coil pairs. Verify that coil pairs are separate from each other.
TC1. Air core without capacitor C2. This was already tested without current probes with 0% turn offset system. I think it is good to test it again with 50% turn offset and see the current also to get a baseline result.
TC2. Add C2, use variable capacitor if possible. As capacitance is increased the oscillations in the output side become stronger. At some point amplitude increase stops. What is the capacitance at this point ? Scope shot.
TC3. Remove C2 and insert ferrite core. Scope shot.
TC4. Keep ferrite and add C2. Again look for the point where the amplitude increase stops. Scope shot.
TC5. Decrease the duty cycle of the pulse so that it lasts one half cycle of the resonant frequency, take scope shot. Then reduce it until oscillations are still present. Use large enough C2 so that current is stopped while C2 is still being charged (current reversal method). What is the length of the pulse ? Scope shot from this also. Use system from either TC2 or TC4 in this test.
These tests will show what is the best pulsing method and system. The effect of using C2 is very important. If it works well then it can be used for power control and also in electric motors.
TC6. Add blocking diodes to coil ends for this test and connect first same ends together and then connect the two ends together using spark gap (upper circuit of figure 8 without C, C’ and FWBR). Use C2 in the driver. Pulse it at resonant frequency using 50% duty cycle and short pulse. Measure voltage across the spark gap and current from either side of the spark gap. Take scope shots from both cases. Next add ferrite if you dare. Based on the result of TC4 you can decide if this is safe to do. Maybe lowering the voltage of the pulse is a good idea, or start from lower harmonic or just use a single pulse to get the ringdown. If ringdown has voltage over 100V then it means 10kV will be induced in the charge collecting capacitor if it is present.
TC7. Add series capacitor C and FWBR in the system used in TC6 but remove ferrite. Find the optimum value of C, procedure is described in more detail in ‘Conversion to hot electricity’.
TC8. Remove C, add C’ to FWBR and connect ground to negative terminal of the DC capacitor. Test both metal plate and earth ground. Put some resistive load and measure output power.
TC9. Build the oscillator system. One option is to use the circuit described in figure 9. Maybe a fast diode is needed from emitter to collector so that coil capacitor can be discharged. Energy collecting coil capacitor should be disabled during this testing. Connect the coil pairs together so that result is two coils connected in parallel. Then there will be no fields and system is safe to work with.
TC10. Connect a properly working oscillator to a coil capacitor system to replace the signal generator. Start pulsing from lower harmonics and measure the output power. More detailed testing procedure is explained in ‘Solid state AEC reference design’.
 [size=0pt]If tests up to TC8 can be completed and they give positive result then I am sure more experimenters will join and help to do the remaining two tests. Then we will get a simple reference system anyone can build at low cost.[/size]
Title: Re: Pulling energy from the ambient energy field using a coil capacitor
Post by: itsu on April 13, 2018, 10:08:16 PM
Quote
Thanks for the new scope shots Itsu, very informative! Two different currents at coil ends (that are not connected to anything) confirm the presence of magnetic field potentials. The input current from FG seems to be a blurred sine wave with some spikes in it. The sine part is not coming from FG which is feeding square pulses only the spikes are created by the FG when capacitor is charged. This can be verified easily by reducing the duty cycle below 1%. To get rid of it connect the same ends if output coil pair together so that result is two parallel coils not connected to anything.
The blur is caused by high frequency oscillation which we already saw when blocking diodes were used. You should be able to tune to this frequency, make a sweep using 50% duty cycle.

Jack,

concerning the input current from FG being blurred, this probably is not caused by any hf oscillations, but just the raw signal from the current
probe.  In the next screenshots, i have set the scope to 4x averaging to reduce this blur.

The next 3 screenshots show:

again the input voltage (yellow), input current (green) and input power (red = yellow x green) at resonance (291Khz),
the input voltage (yellow), input current (green) and input power (red = yellow x green) NOT at resonance (191Khz)
the input voltage (yellow), input current (green) and input power (red = yellow x green) at resonance (291Khz) but at 0.9% duty cycle.

finally the 4th screenshot shows the same as 3 (resonance at 291Khz @ 0.9% dc) but now with the output coils paralleled.
This is causing more current spikes (green) and power spikes (red)

Itsu
Title: Re: Pulling energy from the ambient energy field using a coil capacitor
Post by: Jack Noskills on April 16, 2018, 03:18:05 PM
Noticed interesting thing. When input pulse was 5 volt 10% duty cycle square wave the output ringdown was about 8 volts peak to peak, 4 volts from peak to zero. When input pulse was 10 volt 50% duty cycle the output ringdown was about 60 volts peak to peak, 30 volts from peak to zero. The one side of the wave was about 50 volts, about 25 volts from peak to zero. These two are not quite comparable due to duty cycle difference but anyway the increase in output ringdown exceeds 16 volts, 4*4. When pulse voltage is doubled current in the driver should be doubled also and q*q of the Coulomb’s law becomes 2q*2q which means voltage between two charged bodies should be increased four times from 4 volts to 16 volts. But it seems that voltage increases 6 to 7 times instead of four. This has got something to do with capacitive pulsing, there are two separate coils so rate of change is more effective compared to plain solenoid. Another possible explanation is that FG is pushing more than double current when voltage is doubled. Just keep on eye on this one when changing voltage of the drive pulse. Using 20 volts pulse should produce easily over 100 volt ringdown. Maybe worth a quick test using air core system when doing TC6 for example.
Beware, that using capacitive pulsing with 1000 permeability ferrite core q*q could become 1000q*1000q which means million times greater voltage oscillations! This is the reason for those safety spark gaps so look out and begin using small piece of ferrite and low input currents.
I forgot to put FG driven MOSFET in the test case list. It can be done before starting to build oscillator circuits. Easier to test and it also shows if the used MOSFET is a good option for the oscillator. I will write this in form of a test case:
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TC8.1 Using the system of TC6, connect FG to a MOSFET (or transistor) to drive the primary coil capacitor. Ensure that the MOSFET is fast and that it can switch at least one ampere currents at the required speed. Verify that source can deliver at least 1A of current. Start below 100mA current pulses and 1.5V, 10% duty cycle at 1kHz, use the C2. Observe the ringdown. Next gradually increase the amperage in the primary keeping the voltage of the pulse fixed. C2 will charge faster so larger value might be needed for it. If the input current goes over one ampere then it can be said that ohmic resistance of the coil capacitor (which is 2-3 ohms in this case) has no effect to current. What is the maximum current (Imax) that 1.5V pulse can push through (keeping in mind the MOSFET limitation) ? Scope shot from this.
In case there is some sort of limitation with the current then use 5V or 10V pulse and repeat test.
Change the pulse from 10% to a short pulse that is less than half the cycle length of the resonant frequency. Use large enough C2 so that pulse goes off while current is still present and current reversal occurs. Use aircore and Imax current in the pulse. Observe the ringdown. Put a fast diode across MOSFET from drain to source. Does the ringdown increase ? Scope shot without diode and with diode if diode improved the result. Next insert ferrite core, set the input current below 0.05 mA and then gradually increase it. What current gives equal ringdown compared to aircore ? Scope shot. If absolutely safe then get the ringdown also when using Imax current pulse.
Remove ferrite core. Use C2 whose value was found above and short pulses at resonant frequency using Imax current to get the resonant rise. If the diode improved the ringdown then leave it in place. Measure the electric field potential across the spark gap and current on both sides between blocking diode and the spark gap. This is to test if the current difference is still there. Take scope shot. It will be interesting to see if voltage and current oscillations are now in phase similar to woopy’s copper tape system that was also using 50% turn offset. Then measure the current between blocking diode and coil end and compare it to current measured between spark gap and blocking diode. Use the larger output current side if current difference existed. This test is to study if the blocking diode is attenuating the current. In my tests it had no effect but I could only watch for bulb brightness.
Add FWBR, C’ and ground and measure the output power. Start using lower amperage short current pulses and gradually increase drive current to Imax. Additionally use ferrite core and start below 0.05mA current pulse. This power can be computed from earlier results using single pulse so this test is optional. Do this only if it is absolutely safe. No need to burn those expensive probes.
 
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This test case is kind of large but completing this will make completing TC9 and TC10 a walk in the park.
  There seems to some new scope shots, will download them and check them out.[/font]
Title: Re: Pulling energy from the ambient energy field using a coil capacitor
Post by: Jack Noskills on April 18, 2018, 01:35:49 PM
Looking at the third scope shot of #218, with short 0.9% duty cycle pulse the oscillations are still present but amplitude is much lower. Obviously they do not come from the FG. Interesting that having the primary coil capacitor charged caused so big difference in the oscillation amplitudes. Over 40 time increase in current amplitude, from 5mA peak to peak to 200mA peak to peak. This amount of current cannot go through 2nf capacitor at 10V with 291 kHz frequency. So these oscillations are created by oscillating electric field. The lower amplitude oscillation was 2.39V and the higher amplitude was about 15 volts. Difference is 15/2.39 = 6.27 and this squared is 39.35. Pretty close to 40 times increase in current amplitude we see. I am sure this will change when blocking diodes are added so I don’t think it is necessary to dig this further at this stage.
 
According to third scope shot the power used by the input pulse is about 50mW. Energy used is zero as everything is returned back to source which can be seen as negative power spike giving the second pulse. Coooool! Very nice to see this getting confirmed. I am sure that when the pulse it cut off while current is still present then the negative spike will be larger than positive spike and more charge will be returned back to source.
 
What could be done next is to take scope shot from the output coils similar to #214 using the short pulse (dual current measurement). Then the ringdowns created by using 50% and 0.9% duty cycle pulses can be compared. We could also see if this has any effect to phase difference between output current and voltage. There is a test case for this but it uses blocking diodes and 50% turn offset coil in addition. You could also decrease/increase the 0.9% duty cycle pulse length to see what is the minimum pulse length to get the maximum ringdown. Then putting FWBR+DC cap in the output could be tested to see what voltage is charged in the DC capacitor. I think that in case current and voltage of the ringdowns are out of phase then it must affect to this voltage. To get the U3*I3 connect ground to DC capacitor and put some resistive load across cap and measure power. Not sure if shorting the capacitor is a good idea when ground is connected. Maybe using low resistance load and then compute I*I*R is better option.
 
 When doing experiments with C2 capacitor it would be good to see close up from the drive pulse, both current and voltage. Use as fine accuracy as possible, let’s put that 1.5gHz sampling rate in to good use. When current lasts longer the current pulse should become more square like instead of spike. I forgot to put this detail in the test cases.[/font]
Title: Re: Pulling energy from the ambient energy field using a coil capacitor
Post by: AlienGrey on April 19, 2018, 07:53:16 AM

 When doing experiments with C2 capacitor it would be good to see close up from the drive pulse, both current and voltage. Use as fine accuracy as possible, let’s put that 1.5gHz sampling rate in to good use. When current lasts longer the current pulse should become more square like instead of spike. I forgot to put this detail in the test cases.
Hi shorting a capacitor to earth, Lets think what we are really doing here for a moment ! a fully charged cap yeh!
stored energy but what can we do with it, more to the point what did Morey or Don Smith do with it, he dumped it into a tuned load coil
LC to create a simulated lightening pulse. Does this give you any ideas ?
Title: Re: Pulling energy from the ambient energy field using a coil capacitor
Post by: Jack Noskills on April 19, 2018, 12:55:32 PM
Oops, I mixed up the voltage amplitudes pretty good in a hurry. The low amplitude oscillation is below 1V, maybe about 0.5V. Looking closer the high amplitude oscillation (joining the sine parts together) the peak to peak is somewhere between 12-13 V. Ratio is much greater but there is no longer squared relation between voltage and current oscillation when relation is computed like this. Anyway the oscillations increase significantly when primary coil capacitor is charged and there must be squared relation but it is somewhere else.


AlienGrey, no ideas about this at the moment. Let's first see how much will be stored in that DC capacitor and whether it can power a load when ground is connected minus of that capacitor.
Title: Re: Pulling energy from the ambient energy field using a coil capacitor
Post by: itsu on April 19, 2018, 10:03:34 PM
Jack,

i have a hard time following you as you seem to run back and forth between your testcases.

I now reply on your post #219 and specific the below in bold request:

Quote
What could be done next is to take scope shot from the output coils similar to #214 using the short pulse (dual current measurement).
Then the ringdowns created by using 50% and 0.9% duty cycle pulses can be compared.
We could also see if this has any effect to phase difference between output current and voltage.
There is a test case for this but it uses blocking diodes and 50% turn offset coil in addition.
You could also decrease/increase the 0.9% duty cycle pulse length to see what is the minimum pulse length to get the maximum ringdown.


First screenshot below is again the output as show in my post #212 (so NOT #214 as you mentioned) meaning
inputting a 10Vpp square wave at 291Khz @ 50% duty cycle.  (the white trace is the unloaded FG signal used as input)
Yellow is the voltage across the output coil see diagram.
Purple is the CP2 current probe signal
green is the CP1 current probe signal


2th screenshot is same setup, now with 10% duty cycle see white trace again.

3th screenshot is again same setup. now with 0.9% duty cycle, see white trace.  (be aware, the yellow trace amplitude is now set as 2V/div.  instead of 20V earlier!!)

So with only 10% duty cycle not much signal is left, let alone with 0.9% duty cycle.


Itsu
Title: Re: Pulling energy from the ambient energy field using a coil capacitor
Post by: Jack Noskills on April 26, 2018, 09:04:44 AM
Can you test the capacitor charging next using 50% duty cycle ? And then the same with blocking diodes ?
Title: Re: Pulling energy from the ambient energy field using a coil capacitor
Post by: itsu on April 26, 2018, 11:21:31 AM

Hmmm,

not sure where you want me to add this capacitor and blocking diodes.
Should the cap go as shown in the below diagram?  And what is its value?

What about the diodes, are they suppose to come in the leads next to where i have drawn them?

No diagram in your PDF equals my present setup


Itsu
Title: Re: Pulling energy from the ambient energy field using a coil capacitor
Post by: Belfior on April 26, 2018, 11:42:18 AM
@itsu:

is there a need for any protective resistor or else for the primary, or is it actually better protected from spikes and other stuff now, that it is an open circuit?

What I mean is that ho is the circuit different from the FG's point of view now that the primary is an open circuit? I don't think FG sees it as an infinite resistance, since the 2 wires in the primary are coupled together and exchange energy
Title: Re: Pulling energy from the ambient energy field using a coil capacitor
Post by: itsu on April 26, 2018, 12:16:53 PM

B,

as the diagram in this post shows: http://www.66pacific.com/calculators/capacitive-reactance-calculator.aspx   we have 2.3nF capacitance
between the 2 primary coils.

According to this reactance calculator: http://www.66pacific.com/calculators/capacitive-reactance-calculator.aspx  this means that at 291 Khz,
the FG encounters a reactance of 238 Ohm.

As we are working at near resonance frequency (291 Khz), we see a big influence from the resonante coils onto the FG signal turning it
from a square wave into a sine waved square wave signal (mutual inductance i guess).

This mutual inductance could cause pulses to be fed back to the primary and thus the FG,  i think, so care needs to be taken indeed to protect the FG
when higher voltages are going to be used.

Itsu
Title: Re: Pulling energy from the ambient energy field using a coil capacitor
Post by: Jack Noskills on May 09, 2018, 05:08:43 PM
Jack,

i have a hard time following you as you seem to run back and forth between your testcases.

I now reply on your post #219 and specific the below in bold request:


First screenshot below is again the output as show in my post #212 (so NOT #214 as you mentioned) meaning
inputting a 10Vpp square wave at 291Khz @ 50% duty cycle.  (the white trace is the unloaded FG signal used as input)
Yellow is the voltage across the output coil see diagram.
Purple is the CP2 current probe signal
green is the CP1 current probe signal


2th screenshot is same setup, now with 10% duty cycle see white trace again.

3th screenshot is again same setup. now with 0.9% duty cycle, see white trace.  (be aware, the yellow trace amplitude is now set as 2V.  instead of 20V earlier!!)

So with only 10% duty cycle not much signal is left, let alone with 0.9% duty cycle.


Itsu


Thanks for the scope shots again Itsu! Things are clearing bit by bit, slowly but steadily.
 
 
Keeping the primary coil capacitor charged seemed to increase the low frequency oscillation and decrease the high frequency oscillation. When lowering the duty cycle to 0.9% the high frequency oscillations became evident and the increment of oscillation amplitude is clearly visible in the green current trace. After the input pulse we can see current oscillations that last about 500ns. The amplitude of this oscillation increase as the duty cycle is decreased. This can be seen also in the current RMS value which grows from 1.743mA (50% pulse) to 1.958mA (0.9% pulse). Note how the low frequency sine wave disappears when going from 50% to 0.9% pulse which should decrease current RMS but the current RMS increases instead! Same increase can be seen in the voltage trace but because of scale difference it is a bit hidden. Voltage oscillations seem to last longer than current oscillations, about 2000ns. Maybe current oscillations get buried in the noise? Based on woopy’s scope shot voltage and current waveforms should be in phase.
Short 0.9% pulse results in free oscillation: high frequency and tubular ringdown (with diodes) which means it is not typical LC oscillation. It should have the Coulomb effect: the voltage amplitude of this oscillation should increase four times when current of the input pulse is doubled. Comparing the voltage waveform of the very first short purple pulse from the 3.9 MHz system at 5V which had 200mv peak:
 
http://overunity.com/17119/pulling-energy-from-the-ambient-energy-field-using-a-coil-capacitor/msg514973/#msg514973 (http://overunity.com/17119/pulling-energy-from-the-ambient-energy-field-using-a-coil-capacitor/msg514973/#msg514973)
 
to the most recent 0.9% 10V pulse that had over 2V peak this squared relation (and possibly more) seems to exist. Well, not able to look exactly because of clipping and also diodes were used with 5V pulse so ringdowns are not quite comparable. When doing pulse tests you can confirm if this relation exists. Getting the voltage high with this ringdown means more charge will be present in the output coils and squared relation should exist between this voltage and charged capacitor as explained in the pdf. Resonant rise with this frequency should produce the white spark when the output is shorted. The spark has a distinct look and sound and worth to make a video if you can create it.
 
 
Amplitude of the low frequency oscillations depends on the width of the input pulse so this is not interesting. Ringdown is a damped sinusoid which is typical in LC oscillation and it does have the Coulomb effect: 10%/10V voltage ringdown was two times greater compared to 10%/5V ringdown. Possibly this oscillation is caused by the beat frequency between the two coil pairs? I think that getting this voltage high does not mean more charge is present in the output coils. Most likely this voltage cannot charge a capacitor to higher value, i.e. squared relation between this voltage and voltage in a charged capacitor does not exist.
 
 
So when doing tests with 10%/1kHz pulse test also short 5-30ns pulses to get the ringdown of the high frequency oscillation. To test for the existence of the Coulomb effect, vary the current of the input pulse by using different voltages: 5V, 10V and even 20V if possible.
 
 
One more thing, when testing with ferrite test also how iron core works. Iron is not good with high frequency inductive pulses but maybe it behaves differently with capacitive pulses ?
Title: Re: Pulling energy from the ambient energy field using a coil capacitor
Post by: Jack Noskills on May 09, 2018, 05:14:33 PM
Hmmm,

not sure where you want me to add this capacitor and blocking diodes.
Should the cap go as shown in the below diagram?  And what is its value?

What about the diodes, are they suppose to come in the leads next to where i have drawn them?

No diagram in your PDF equals my present setup


Itsu


Use the upper circuit of figure 8 like you once already did
Title: Re: Pulling energy from the ambient energy field using a coil capacitor
Post by: Jack Noskills on May 15, 2018, 02:05:53 PM

Use the upper circuit of figure 8 like you once already did


Trying to be more accurate about how to continue with testing..
Get the ringdown of the high frequency oscillation using a short pulse and measure the current from the free coil ends. First use 50% duty cycle pulse and then begin to reduce the pulse length. Note the length of the input pulse when the current is still high. Cutting of the drive pulse while current is high should produce strongest ringdown (current reversal method of capacitive pulsing). With ten meters of wire in the primary, 30ns pulse length should be enough. So the best pulse should be such that current is high after 30ns, over 90% from maximum. With 2 nf capacitance in the primary this might not happen though so adding capacitance should fix this problem (C2 capacitor in figure 9 of the pdf). This behavior of the input pulse can be seen by monitoring the input current. Now get the resonant rise using the pulse that gave the strongest ringdown. Next add FWBR and DC capacitor in the output coil pair. This setup you have already used once. Measure the voltage where the capacitor is charged to. Detach voltage probe from the DC cap, put some load and connect ground to minus terminal of the DC capacitor. Measure the current through load.
 
Next do the same with blocking diodes. First use the upper circuit of figure 8 without C, C’ and FWBR. This setup you have also already used in the system when you took the very first scope shots. Find the optimum pulse length as explained above, measure the voltage ringdown across the safety spark gap and current ringdown on both sides of the spark gap. Then add FWBR and DC capacitor and do the same tests as above.
 
Test the Coulomb effect by changing the voltage of the drive pulse.