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Author Topic: Pulling energy from the ambient energy field using a coil capacitor  (Read 55827 times)

Offline Belfior

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Re: Pulling energy from the ambient energy field using a coil capacitor
« Reply #180 on: January 03, 2018, 08:05:08 PM »
To confirm the above statement from Jack (Ten meters of 0.5mm wire around 5cm tube using 50% turn offset had resonant frequency at 10.3 MHz in one test system.),

i made 2 different coils on a 5cm diameter PVC former using 0.5mm (AWG 24) magnet wire.

One coil is closely wound (no interwinding space), and the other has a 50% offset, meaning 0.5mm between each winding.

Carefull measurment of these coils shows via severall ways that the closely wound coil (3cm long) has a resonance frequency of 3.13Mhz, while
the 50% offset wound coil (6cm long) has an Fres of 3.9Mhz, so not even half of the above mentioned 10.3Mhz.

This shows to me that it will be very difficult to take steady measurments as slight changes will influence the results.

Anyway, here a short video about these 2 coils setup and the measurement:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t-b1b6rTNLI

 
The screenshot shows the response of the both coils to a pulse (purple)
Yellow is the closely wound coil,
blue is the 50% offset coil.


Regards Itsu

What Jack means by 50% offset is when one of the coilcap wires is cut from the middle and the ends are joined together. So one end from the middle is left hanging open and the other end from the middle goes to the load. The 2 coilcap wires should always be wound close together.

I think Jack was talking about my setup with the 10MHz. Have to check my measurements again on this weekend after my move is done.

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Re: Pulling energy from the ambient energy field using a coil capacitor
« Reply #181 on: January 03, 2018, 08:51:07 PM »

Thanks Belfior,

so that would be the lower coil system in the Fig. 3;   that makes sense.

Its not the system that Jack has asked me to build yet, but i can set it up and do the measurement.

Itsu

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Re: Pulling energy from the ambient energy field using a coil capacitor
« Reply #182 on: January 03, 2018, 10:05:16 PM »
The above mentioned Fig. 3 lower coil system has indeed a higher resonance frequency of 8.93Mhz, see screenshot.
But it is very susceptible for noise like the 50Hz mains due to its open ends.
It makes the signal kind of floating.

I use a very loosly coupled FG and the load is only my scope probe.

Itsu

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Re: Pulling energy from the ambient energy field using a coil capacitor
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Offline Belfior

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Re: Pulling energy from the ambient energy field using a coil capacitor
« Reply #183 on: January 03, 2018, 10:37:18 PM »
I used a FG too and all effects disappeared when I added the diodes to the coilcap like Jack describes in his document.

I will resume testing when I unpack my lab. I will redo the tests with a similar system using a spark gap


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Re: Pulling energy from the ambient energy field using a coil capacitor
« Reply #184 on: January 04, 2018, 10:43:23 AM »

Thanks B,

that is one of my questions to Jack, as after having finished the coil system he describes in my post #176:
http://overunity.com/17119/pulling-energy-from-the-ambient-energy-field-using-a-coil-capacitor/msg514961/#msg514961

he states to use the ‘Signal generator testing guidelines’ section in his PDF to do some testing with it,
but that section starts with pointing to a different kind of coil system setup with diodes and / or sparkgaps
(Fig. 6 or Fig. 7).

So not sure if i have to setup that coil system first before experiment with pulse lengths etc. and where to input the FG pulses.

Itsu

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Re: Pulling energy from the ambient energy field using a coil capacitor
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Offline Belfior

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Re: Pulling energy from the ambient energy field using a coil capacitor
« Reply #185 on: January 04, 2018, 11:31:43 AM »
yeah my results  differ so much from his I wonder if the spark gap and higher voltages & ferrite core is what produces his effects.

I am going to redo all my experiments with proper measurements as soon as I this move done. Hopefully I will also find all my gear after the move.

I have no doubt that there are some weird effects with these coils. I already got some bulbs to light up with some open ended coils. My test was primary over a ferrite core and then 2 open ended secondary coils around the same core. Secondaries had one end left open and then other end connected to a light bulb. So open circuit but the light turned on

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Re: Pulling energy from the ambient energy field using a coil capacitor
« Reply #186 on: January 04, 2018, 12:49:32 PM »
I just wanted to comment on something Smokey wrote about twisted coils.
I saw a increase in output when i added a twisted pair over a regular bifilar pair, so it may be correct, but i will not bet my life on it becouse the increase in light output is all that i have to back that up with. :)

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Re: Pulling energy from the ambient energy field using a coil capacitor
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Offline itsu

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Re: Pulling energy from the ambient energy field using a coil capacitor
« Reply #187 on: January 04, 2018, 04:34:57 PM »
I setup my coil system as shown in the Fig. 6 in the PDF, not sure if that is needed, but the
‘Signal generator testing guidelines’ section in the pdf, where i am now, says so, see the picture below of this setup.

Using UF4007 diodes and a 230V GDT.

Not sure where to attach the FG, so i loosly coupled it in on the inside of the tube.

Screenshot shows the FG pulse in blue and the response of the load (across the GDT) in yellow (load is only the scope pobe).
The ringing downs (one at start of the pulse, one at the end of the pulse) show a 208KHz ringing frequency, so no where near
the measured 3.5Mhz resonance frequency of the seperate coils.

Video here:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bNFi2KdUqKA

Need input from Jack if i am on the right track.......

Itsu

Offline Jack Noskills

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Re: Pulling energy from the ambient energy field using a coil capacitor
« Reply #188 on: January 05, 2018, 03:45:32 PM »
Use one coil capacitor to give pulses and the second on top for output. Three turns primary is not enough. This pulsing method comes from wistiti’s experiments here, I have not tested it myself.
 
Capacitor charging effect is what should be studied after resonant rise has been achieved. Resonant rise as a phenomena can be found from the net, better that I do not try to explain it.

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Re: Pulling energy from the ambient energy field using a coil capacitor
« Reply #189 on: January 05, 2018, 04:27:49 PM »

Thanks Jack,

i will loose the diodes and GDT for now and use the first layered coil as pulse drive coil.
Did you see the comment from Void about that?  See here:
http://overunity.com/17119/pulling-energy-from-the-ambient-energy-field-using-a-coil-capacitor/msg514965/#msg514965

Resonant Rise seems to be some kind of game as that is what google presents me.

Are you not simply talking about the (normal) situation that when a RLC circuit is in resonance its (voltage/current) amplitude will increase, see here:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electrical_resonance

What about the prototype coils i have?   Is it what you expected?   I would expected to have some longer coil (20 or 30cm long or so)
I have seen pictures in the thread from woopy and DogOne showing different layout (longer) coils.

Some answers on questions you asked via PM, the rest will follow when i have them:
 
- Measure the capacitance of the energy collecting coil capacitor.       
  if this is the 2e layer coil?      its 1.95nF

- Can you see the waveform of the impulse response, is it a damped sinusoid or is it tubular ? How long is it ?   
  See the latest above screenshots; damped sinusoid, 216us, but this is with the Fig. 6 setup, so with diodes.  What is tubular shaped, like a trumpet?

Regards itsu

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Re: Pulling energy from the ambient energy field using a coil capacitor
« Reply #190 on: January 05, 2018, 10:21:08 PM »
OK, taking a few steps back, i have the below layout, 2 layers of 2 bifilar coils (pairs), each seperate coil is about 63 turns on a 5cm diameter former (PVC) using 0.5mm (AWG24) magnet wire.
1st layer coils (pair 1) hooked up as driver capacitively coupled / series to the FG,
2th layer coils (pair 2) hooked up as charge collector capacitivly coupled /  series to the CH1 scope.

A 1Khz 5V all DC 10% duty cycle pulse was fed into drive coil pair 1 and the result on the charge collection coil pair 2 can be seen in the screenshot 1.
We see the resonance ringing at open and close of the pulse to be around 278Khz
When i increase the pulse frequency to 278Khz, we see some resonance sine wave appear (Resonance Rise??), see screenshot 2
Blue is the FG pulse signal,   yellow the collectors coil response.

Answers to some earlier PM questions:

- Induction effect is stronger at higher frequencies. So measure the voltage of the charge collecting capacitor at different resonant frequencies (subharmonics).
 
See video of upwards sweep of the pulse, main resonance seems to be 278Khz, but with harmonics up till 24Mhz (FG max).
The screenshot of the Spectrum Analyzer shows these peaks (resonances) up till 100Mhz, the first peak at far left is the 278Khz peak
 
 
- Change the voltage of the drive pulse to lower/higher value. If generator gives out fixed power then amperage of the pulse should increase when voltage is lowered.
 
when varying the drive pulse voltage (5 to 10V), the output ringing signal increases, so is not fixed.

Video here:   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YpxHlALVfgg&t=15s    (use Chrome or Firefox)

Itsu

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Re: Pulling energy from the ambient energy field using a coil capacitor
« Reply #191 on: January 06, 2018, 07:48:22 AM »
Thank you Itsu for sharing your results. It is really interesting!
:)
I have not play with this concept since a wile ( not much spare time) but you give me the trill to be back on it!

Sincerly.

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Re: Pulling energy from the ambient energy field using a coil capacitor
« Reply #192 on: January 06, 2018, 11:44:02 AM »

Thanks wistiti,     your welcome.

I hope you guys will chip in (again) and we can explore this further.

What is puzzling me right now is the low (278Khz or so) first resonance peak i see popping up.
I wonder if this could be the resultant (beat) frequency between the 2 pair coils, like say the
first coil pair resonates at 3.2Mhz and the second coil pair at 3.5Mhz so the resultant will be 300Khz.
The second coil pair is ontop of the first pair, so has a longer track (circumference) to cover, so has less turns, so higher Fres.

The higher resonance peaks i see (18, 25, 41Mhz) could be the odd/even harmonics of this (now undetectable) 3.5Mhz base frequency
3.5, (base),  17.5 (5th harmonics),  24.5 (7th harmonic), 42 (12th harmonic), etc.


Anyway, room for more experiments, i hope Jack will find the time to answer the above raised questions.

Regards Itsu

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Re: Pulling energy from the ambient energy field using a coil capacitor
« Reply #193 on: January 08, 2018, 04:54:07 PM »

While waiting for Jack to comment on the above posts / questions, and to give further directions on what he want to be tested, 
i was doing some tests on my own, like doing some measurements around the first resonance peak (285KHz).

I have hooked up my FG to the first coil pair and drive it with a 285Khz AC sine wave of 20Vpp.
I monitor that signal with the blue probe and have my current probe also in that input line so i can monitor the input power.

I shows that when approaching that first resonance peak, the current increases and the voltage decreases, pointing to a series resonance situation (minimum impedance at resonance).
The output almost peaks at that point as can be seen by the yellow probe which is across a 200V / 470uF electrolytic capacitor after a FWBR made of 4 UF4007 diodes.
The real output peak (40V) lays some KHz below resonance.

The scope math function (red trace) calculates the power i input with the FG and is around 100mW at this first resonance peak.

Screenshot shows:
the input voltage from FG in blue (776mv rms)
the input current from FG in green (125mA rms)
the input power from FG in red (97mW mean)
The output voltage on cap in yellow (39V DC)
 
Video here:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O0SX0b6OSeY

For what its worth,  regards Itsu

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Re: Pulling energy from the ambient energy field using a coil capacitor
« Reply #194 on: January 10, 2018, 02:03:20 PM »
The energy density of the earths electric field most of our altitudes

Is ~13w/m^2
Which is coincidentally less than the field of the human body at close distance


The coil capacitor would have to have a very large surface area.
and should not touch it, you can charge it with your body on accident




 

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