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Title: SGWN Generator 300 KW
Post by: franco malgarini on February 04, 2017, 03:51:19 PM

Title: Re: SGWN Generator 300 KW
Post by: seychelles on February 04, 2017, 04:39:54 PM
Title: Re: SGWN Generator 300 KW
Post by: gotoluc on February 04, 2017, 05:01:19 PM
Looks to be an Arabian company that claims to have found a way to use Gyroscopic Procession to create 300 KW 24/7 from a 2 KW momentary 3 minute input just to start the device. ( (

Title: Re: SGWN Generator 300 KW
Post by: Cherryman on February 04, 2017, 05:14:23 PM
Title: Re: SGWN Generator 300 KW
Post by: franco malgarini on February 04, 2017, 07:48:05 PM
Title: Re: SGWN Generator 300 KW
Post by: sm0ky2 on February 04, 2017, 09:02:50 PM
I sometimes have difficulty with languages other then
English... while I am partially fluent in about 18 languages,
I am only 100% fluent in one. So there are pieces of info I
cannot translate.

Basically this system operates in a cycle, using a combination
Of two effects:
1) gyroscopic precession
2) gyroscopic lift ( which is the inverse of precession)
Both of these effects occur without disturbance to the
rotation of the gyro.
The motor spins at a multiple of 60HZ.
And each stage in the process occurs at 60HZ.

First stage, the counterbalance drops slightly within the
Gravitational field, to produce gyroscopic  precession.
Second stage, precession slows, to cause gyroscopic lift.

A secondary mechanism is provided to convert gravitational
Potential, provided by gyroscopic lift, into mechanical energy
To turn the generator.
A portion of generator current is fed back into the drive motor.

The image of the guy holding a bicycle wheel, while sitting in
a spinning chair - basically explains the whole operation, in terms
that people can understand- even without advanced knowledge of
gyroscopes or gravity.
Title: Re: SGWN Generator 300 KW
Post by: sm0ky2 on February 04, 2017, 09:05:15 PM
Their patent only covers their particular mechanism,
Not the process of precession itself.
So any of us are free to make similar devices, without
Patent restrictions, so long as we do not copy more than
85% of their patented mechanism.

The giant smoke-stack looking thing is simply a case to
cover up the workings of their machine.
It certainly does not require to be a 'truncated cone'
Title: Re: SGWN Generator 300 KW
Post by: sm0ky2 on February 05, 2017, 09:54:30 AM
Watch this video
This guy shows how 2-in-lbs can start precession
And it takes 100-in-lbs to stop it.
The difference being 98-in-lbs of torque to run a motor
Or perform other work.
This is completely independent from the gravitational potential
That is gained from the weight in this set-up.

How does this work ? Think about the Foucault
Remember in school when they taught about pendulii?
There was always an explanation for where all the torque goes
Remember?  - into the shaft!!!!!
But where in the shaft ?
They hide this info by teaching us explicitly about rigid shafts.
Or the polar opposite- a flexible string shaft.
What happens to a pendulum that has a hinged shaft
Such that it can bend only at the point of max torque?

This is basically the same thing.
A gyro places torque on its' axis.
If it is hinged or placed in a manner in which it can raise or fall
Rotating the shaft will result in translational torque.
But it is not the applied torque that is translated
It is the torque of the moving weight.

Title: Re: SGWN Generator 300 KW
Post by: sm0ky2 on February 05, 2017, 09:55:00 AM (
Title: Re: SGWN Generator 300 KW
Post by: sm0ky2 on February 05, 2017, 10:15:08 AM
Now let's look at the 3rd dimension of precession
We see here that as precession occurs
In one dimension there is a force.
In the other there is a torque (
Title: Re: SGWN Generator 300 KW
Post by: sm0ky2 on February 05, 2017, 10:27:20 AM
And finally this video (

Which shows that it is the angular momentum of the rotating mass
That causes precession
When the applied force is applied
Notice how in the 2nd video there does not need to be
very much actual movement of the axis, only an applied force.
(in fact there is a slight movement, but it is very small)
And gravity has nothing to do with this. Despite what educated minds
will try to tell you.
The gyro does the exact same thing when rotated in 360 degrees.
Vertical, sideways, upside down, at an angle
The only thing that gravity does in the precession experiments
Is apply a force on the axis

Are we all ready to build our gyroscopic power plants now???

Title: Re: SGWN Generator 300 KW
Post by: gotoluc on February 06, 2017, 07:16:28 PM
An interesting subject and effects.

The below video contains much information. However, is it correct? (
Title: Re: SGWN Generator 300 KW
Post by: sm0ky2 on February 06, 2017, 08:03:32 PM
So we spin up a gyro, and input a small force to begin precession
A gear, partially covering the perimeter of a wheel
Attached to the top of the axis, spins up a flywheel
While reducing precession.
The mass of the gyro is raised when precession begins
And drops as precession is reduced.

See the image below:

Title: Re: SGWN Generator 300 KW
Post by: dennisforrest on February 07, 2017, 06:50:06 PM
I found this patent: (

I think it's another system (it's related to AAron Goldin (, but there's something similar to SGWN, using precession to create energy.

I think SGWN "secret" it's not simply related to precession, because of the layout of the generator: thin and very high (6 meters).

A simple precession mechanism will be fat and flat (or circular), because the discs of gyroscope need to walk in a large circumference.

The key is to understand what is inside the cone.

Title: Re: SGWN Generator 300 KW
Post by: franco malgarini on February 08, 2017, 04:20:19 PM
Title: Re: SGWN Generator 300 KW
Post by: sm0ky2 on February 08, 2017, 06:39:41 PM
That could work, though I don't know that the
Generator alone would get back enough to spin
Up the gyro again.
If we knew where it would stop
We could catch the weight when it flopped back down.

And the maniac in the long self-convoluting webpage
Is correct. I'm not sure why he has so much trouble with math
There are rotational situations where, in order for momentum
to be conserved, certain inertial energies are hard to explain.

If you think in terms of "equal and opposite reaction" to an
Applied Force - you could relate it to a glass jar under pressure.
A light tap from a tiny sharp object relates to an an explosion of
released potential energy.
The same can occur when a force is applied to a rotating object.
Angular momentum is like a battery. Fly wheels have been used for
Centuries to store rotational energy.
When an applied force causes the gyro to change its dimensional
plane of rotation, angular momentum is transferred to another plane.
This change of planes can be of the order of a plank length in magnitude
A force will occur at an alternate plane at each incremental change.

In practice, gyros are precessed in large increments we can observe.
And we restrict their motion to the normal 90-degree planes.
There are in reality a countably infinite number of planes.
Rotational forces occur along all of them.
So we must think in terms of a three dimensional force.
Equal and opposite to a point mass moving at the circumference
Of the spinning gyro.
Each point of mass creates its own opposing force to the applied force.
And by following a number of points around the wheel we can estimate
The path of the average force applied to any number of axial domains.
A gyroscope with infinite gimbals, one for every conceivable plane.
Then we could see the true reflection of the force we apply.

I hope I didn't complicate it by trying to simplify the explanation
The device in the patent is valid but I think the principal should be
Improved on, in terms of harnessing all possible energy until the
Gyro stops.

That would give a direct comparison of input to output.
What it took to spin it up, vs what we get out of it.

Title: Re: SGWN Generator 300 KW
Post by: sm0ky2 on February 08, 2017, 06:48:56 PM
These planes of rotation are universal
They extend through space and time
Allowing for curvature over great distances
Or intense energy densities
But at small distances, those humanly obtainable
The planes can be considered linear
As the earth rotates and orbits through space
And coincidentally the solar system and galaxy doing
The same
The plane of rotation of the gyro changes.
Even if it's physical angle to a point on Earth's surface
Does not change.
Precessional forces still occur.
The primary observable force is caused by our 24-hr rotation
More distant astronomical events take longer times to occur
Thus the change in planes takes place more slowly

An earth based gyroscopic precession is not only possible
It is inevitable
If you try to keep the gyro perfectly vertical and spinning for 24 hrs
The energy it takes to keep the gyro vertical
Is the energy output of the rotational system.

Title: Re: SGWN Generator 300 KW
Post by: sm0ky2 on February 08, 2017, 07:46:29 PM
Gravitational based gyroscopic precession is more of
A one-directional event than a cyclical one.
The force applied by gravity is always down.
The reactive force of the gyro is a factor of the rotational
velocity of a point mass at the circumference of the gyro
With an applied force accelerating it at 9.8ms/s.
If not restricted, the center of mass will lower and
Precession will occur at a ratio relative to the drop in height.
If restricted in a particular dimension, the center of mass
Will raise in height, and the same will hold true.

Contrary to the standard scientific description of this
Gravity has nothing to do with it. Other than applying the
acceleration force.
The reactive force of the gyro is in a vector that leads to
The center of rotating mass to be perpendicular to its'
Support axis. Regardless of where that axis is in space
Or within a gravitational potential well.

Vertical gyro can go horizontal, or a horizontal gyro can go
vertical. It doesn't have to be 90-degrees we just do that
to mask certain effects from public view. Not "we" as in us
But "we" as humans have a tendency to keep secrets from
the general public, by hiding them in plain sight or masking
them into obscurity by an overwhelming amount of useless
information. Knowledge is power. If we all had equal knowledge
Who would be in charge?

I suppose if we wanted to we could precess a heavy gyro in
the vertical plane like turning the standard example 90-degrees
The gyro doesn't care about gravity, it's no different than me
Pushing my finger on it to cause the precession.

What gravity does is provide a force in one vector
Regardless of which way the gyro is facing
Internally the gyro remains the same, but from our
perspective it could be used as an advantage.

gyros can produce an external force in response to
An applied force, a gravitational force, or a rotational
force (such as the earth rotating or a gyro on the surface
          of a rotating sphere or ring)
There may be other ways to apply a desired force, via
magnetism or electromagnetism, static electric attraction
or repulsion, or other things.

When we coordinate restricted multi-axial precession,
One reactive force, caused by a change in rotational plane,
Can result in a change in planes. This causes another
reactive force in another plane, and so on.

Title: Re: SGWN Generator 300 KW
Post by: sm0ky2 on February 08, 2017, 08:03:12 PM
The way we define our current geometrical theory
A circle is divided into 360-degrees.
For the simplification of discussion I will use the
Current Model. Not a more advanced model, so as
To avoid incomprehendable confusion.

If a circular motion represents 360-degrees, each of
these degrees is associated with a plane of rotation
Perpendicular to an axis. Thereby, an axis 90-degrees
to the first, has also 360-plane associated with it.
The same is said about the 3rd axis, that is 90-degrees
to both of those.

That is 360 x 360 x 360 = 46,656,000 possible planes
Of rotation that a gyro can exist on. (current model)
If we allowed 46.656M degrees of freedom
Our processing gyro would begin to resemble a proton.
The external forces of which are the integration of the Euler
mechanism, and are identical to the works of Feynman.

Title: Re: SGWN Generator 300 KW
Post by: sm0ky2 on February 08, 2017, 08:04:50 PM
I don't know how we would physically attach 46M gimbals.......
Title: Re: SGWN Generator 300 KW
Post by: sm0ky2 on February 08, 2017, 08:51:02 PM
Not exactly "free floating" but I have allowed for
Several degrees of freedom in this video.

The support chain is offset from the center of axis.
This causes a force differential within the gravitational
domain. Each mass point around the wheel experiences
a different force depending upon its' relation to the axial
force. Which is away from the chain. Or if you want to think
if it as a force on the bottom of the axis towards the chain.
Either way the wheel "wobbles" in space.
Also the chain is 'rigid' - does not like to twist (

In this second video, I add a weight to the wheel.
(It's actually the reflector that was originally on it!)
To exaggerate the gravitational differential.
Here, as the wheel slows down to where gravity can really
start to affect things, you see the wobblyness increase but
Also the entire assembly wheel chain and all begin to orbit
in an elliptical path. Like a Foucault pendulum. (

Title: Re: SGWN Generator 300 KW
Post by: sm0ky2 on February 08, 2017, 09:09:24 PM
For each of the conventional 360-degrees of rotation
The momentum of a point mass on the gyros circumference
Is in the vector that it was traveling in the degree prior to
the one you are examining.
By this you can determine the reactive force at that degree.

In reality there are more than 360 degrees, some number
approaching infinity, we will know whenever the computer
finishes solving Pi. We use 360 because smaller angles than
 that humans don't really care to deal with.
And the math was already done for us so we built on that.

Placing forces on different places of the gyro, and restricting the
reactive force in certain vectors, we can generate very large forces
In other certain vectors.

Title: Re: SGWN Generator 300 KW
Post by: e2matrix on February 09, 2017, 05:06:56 PM
I haven't followed every detail of this but they seem to be talking about Natural gas and installing these units in the ground.   Do these need Natural gas to operate?   Apologies if that's a dumb question but I didn't seem to understand why they were talking about Natural gas in the last part of the video.
I watched the 2nd video now and understand the core process but still am not sure why they were talking about NG in the first one. 
Title: Re: SGWN Generator 300 KW
Post by: quartz on July 12, 2019, 03:22:07 PM
does anyone have news of this technology?