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Author Topic: re: energy producing experiments  (Read 108642 times)

Offline Delburt Phend

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Re: re: energy producing experiments
« Reply #255 on: November 23, 2021, 03:44:32 AM »
show one of your millions of experiments. smokey

you can list it with one of those that has walked before

and with your Atwood's in space

The cylinder and sphere make large amounts of energy. Delburt Phend Youtube

Offline sm0ky2

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Re: re: energy producing experiments
« Reply #256 on: November 24, 2021, 12:53:23 AM »
Well, im not going to do your homework for you


This has been discussed on this forum somewhere
inside those threads are other members experiments
The Nasa video was linked a few times (spacelab possibly?)


Of course ignoring physics, and imagining that i would make things up
just to prohibit you from exploring, is your choice to do.


Feel free to learn first hand from your own personal experience:
If you think you can make it do what you think it will do
Then build one.






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Re: re: energy producing experiments
« Reply #257 on: November 24, 2021, 01:01:19 AM »
Or at the very least,
Set up a series of controlled experiments
observe the transfer of a pair of interconnected vectored momenti
to a state outside its frame of reference


The force and acceleration are in the downward vector
for both masses
They are linked by the tension of the string
the larger mass uses an equal amount of its’ own downward momentum
to bring the acceleration into a negative value
The remainder is split between the two


Let’s take an extreme example and allow your Atwood to be 2 meters tall
at that point, would you expect the smaller weight to simply fly up and break off its’ string?


No, it Stops
Just like every other time.




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Re: re: energy producing experiments
« Reply #258 on: November 24, 2021, 01:16:22 AM »
When you are doing construction,
The best way to get something to the top floor
is to put it in a bucket, on a pulley and the other bucket
is filled with trash on the way down


The dumb waiter elevator works the same


i’m pretty sure that has been going on since way before
the scientists wanted to examine the math
As Archimedes describes in the 2nd century B.C.,
mechanical systems were already well developed




Lets say we have a spring in the bottom of the bucket that set and latched
when the heavy weight hit the ground
And the value of the energy stored in this spring
were exactly equal to the impact force of the heavy weight


Then we place that spring underneath the smaller weight
at exactly the moment the large weight hits the ground
(before gravity has a chance to make the downward acceleration positive again)
And fired off the spring


E = m(large)*9.8*h(initial) = m(small)*9.8*h(final)


= m(large)*1 = m(small) * h(final)
h(final)= m(large)/m(small)
= 11.1m
11.1 * 9.8 * .1 = 10.878j
1 * 11.1 * 9.8 = 10.878j






Offline Delburt Phend

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Re: re: energy producing experiments
« Reply #259 on: November 24, 2021, 01:36:51 AM »
If you are going to cite an experiment then you should be ready to at least provide a location or link; not have some vague memory of it.

The MIT Atwood’s produces enough momentum to make the dropped mass rise 110 times higher than what it was dropped.

And I have experiments that place the momentum of very large masses into very small masses. Delburt Phend youtube   This is all that needs to be shown.   (Atwood’s – “cylinder and spheres”)

Offline sm0ky2

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Re: re: energy producing experiments
« Reply #260 on: November 25, 2021, 01:44:06 AM »
Then show the M.I.T. Version that does not follow the known equations above.


If it does what you say, just use the potential energy of the smaller mass to reset the larger mass
And have (97x excess?) to use for something else
While the larger mass throws another small mass into the sky


(or did you miss a decimal?)

Offline Delburt Phend

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Re: re: energy producing experiments
« Reply #261 on: November 25, 2021, 03:58:47 PM »
You got it smoky; The MIT Atwood’s produces 1.110 kg * .42042 m/sec = .46662 units of momentum.

When a cylinder and spheres gives all its momentum to a .010 kg mass then the mass will be moving .010 kg * v = .46662 kg  m/sec = 46.667 m/sec

At 46.667 m/sec the .010 kg will rise 111 meters.

Only 1 of those 111 meters is needed to restart the Atwood’s for another 111 meters.

So the excess energy is easily 97%.

Offline sm0ky2

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Re: re: energy producing experiments
« Reply #262 on: December 01, 2021, 12:33:43 PM »
You might need to ask for a calculator for Christmas.




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Re: re: energy producing experiments
« Reply #263 on: December 01, 2021, 04:02:05 PM »
Can't your calculator find the error; then I won't need a new one. Please show the error.

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Re: re: energy producing experiments
« Reply #264 on: December 04, 2021, 08:30:07 PM »
You don’t show your work, so its hard to tell
But you appear to be off by 1 decimal, twice
Resulting in 100x a value you should have ended up with


I’m not here to correct your work,
I have shown above the mathematical solution.


If you are convinced that it will work


Then build it

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Re: re: energy producing experiments
« Reply #265 on: December 09, 2021, 02:23:06 PM »

Offline lancaIV

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Re: re: energy producing experiments
« Reply #266 on: December 09, 2021, 03:14:18 PM »
BUONGIORNO COME STAI.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jiAZF0pMfyA
Bene ! Salute !

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YLNLePqVaQU&t=310sdispositivo gravi centrifugo per la produzione di energia elettrica
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    David Davids    vor 2 Jahren   some info.     at 1:15, the  input force  mechanism, at left, has been correctly conceived; but poorly executed.    in it, reduction-MA  is converted to  INHERENT MA; in the large-radius wheel.     power is, correctly, taken off at a radius that is  smaller than the radius at which at which force was applied.   Mechanical Advantage.      THEN,  the   rotary output force is, stoopidly,  converted to  Reciprocating  motion.     ultimately, this machine does  Nothing.     there is  NO  energy gain in the  secondary mechanism;  in fact, the asymmetrical orbiting mass   is  acting  as a    governor/speed limiter.        any attempt to utilize gravity to achieve an energy gain, Will fail.     why is this true.       any apparent  energy gain on the 'downhill-side'  is ALWAYS  offset, by the Energy Required  to  OVERCOME  gravity, on the 'uphill-side'.     if interested, review my   ou- via-MA    research.      googletranslate        governor  https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCNSWIWz7trnMo4Wdbug0j9A/videos
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Re: re: energy producing experiments
« Reply #267 on: December 09, 2021, 04:27:24 PM »
@ seychelles

A real work of art
     and
         an amazing investment of time and materials !

But it looks like the generator / motor is powering it.

There is no principle, of which I am aware, and by which this machine
can operate otherwise.

   regards
       floor


Offline seychelles

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Re: re: energy producing experiments
« Reply #268 on: December 09, 2021, 08:39:56 PM »
FAIRLY SIMILAR TO MR SKINNER GRAVITY MACHINE BUT IN REVERSE ROUND
ABOUT WAY.

Offline sm0ky2

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Re: re: energy producing experiments
« Reply #269 on: December 13, 2021, 09:05:41 AM »
@ seychelles

A real work of art
     and
         an amazing investment of time and materials !

But it looks like the generator / motor is powering it.

There is no principle, of which I am aware, and by which this machine
can operate otherwise.

   regards
       floor


Screwdriver pointed up, box wrench one end on the screwdriver
Tilt the screwdriver slightly one way then back the other.
Just a tiny bit, small small force required, each direction
get the timing right, you will feel it take off.


a small rodent could operate this
But get too close the wrench will take your face off


You’re creating a situation of constant gravitational acceleration,
by tilting the axis of rotation.
depending on where you place your fulcrum,
the energy required to tilt can be less than the change in potential energy

Another example is a small child moving a 3000lb barell of water.


Tilt it on its’ edge and spin it, the barell moves itself.