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Offline magneat

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Re: re: energy producing experiments
« Reply #150 on: January 10, 2020, 07:49:04 PM »
https://revolution-green.com/earth-engine/

See the comments here.
it’s hard to believe that a team of such professionals would look for suckers...

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Re: re: energy producing experiments
« Reply #151 on: January 11, 2020, 05:25:29 AM »
It seems unreal they would dare to pull off such a scam.

Then again, does the work of a paid hoaxer even have a meaning?

Or maybe I am just imagining conspiracies and this guy got inspired for a scam I dunno.

Bummed out because it seems like everywhere you go its a tough road to OU, Wht do you expect LOL?

Ou is like Jedi and Sith status almost, and this is the far flung galaxy.

but whats this what Pierre Cotnoir first showed?

A while ago.

If Chas Camplbell wasnt pulling any tricks and really self looping in that video it was definitly OU.

The video where it start, "were filming"...

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« Reply #152 on: January 11, 2020, 05:41:13 AM »
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2qyvX9j5i3U&t=83s

Actually, someboy should analyze this by video and see the speeds.

It seems like the light was still lit after that as well.

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« Reply #152 on: January 11, 2020, 05:41:13 AM »
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Offline magneat

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Re: re: energy producing experiments
« Reply #153 on: January 11, 2020, 10:57:24 AM »
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2qyvX9j5i3U&t=83s

Actually, someboy should analyze this by video and see the speeds.

It seems like the light was still lit after that as well.

The Chas Campbell Gravity Wheel may well be working, but to understand the OU principle of a mechanical generator, I like F.M.CHALKALIS ENERGY MULTIPLIER more - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iHhZZ9DuzK4&feature=emb_title
This video shows all the OU classics for a mechanical generator.
only one moment, imho, is not correct for F.M. CHALKALIS - why does it give an impulse to the flywheel at the TOP point of the trajectory, when according to theory the impulse should be applied at the moment when the "body" speed is maximum, i.e. at the BOTTOM of the trajectory?

and also, imho, on rollers that give an impulse to the pendulum, you need to add a flywheel.
then the drive electric motor can be taken of small power, energy will accumulate in the flywheel, and in the pulse will be transmitted to the pendulum.
it is also unclear why the goods are placed in the middle of the radius of the pendulum, it is more logical to place them at the end of the radius, the torque and stored energy will be more ...
then the calculation of the parameters F.M. CHALKALIS ENERGY MULTIPLIER can be done according to elementary formulas of classical physics ...

F.M. CHALKALIS ENERGY MULTIPLIER can serve as a training tool for understanding the OU principle of a mechanical generator.
for the training stand, the design can be greatly simplified - take an inflated bicycle wheel, strengthen one load (several loads?) from the inside of the rim, fasten (stick?) several strips of rubber from the outside to the tire cover through which from the drive roller (with flywheel) a force impulse will be transmitted to the wheel with the load (s).


The Chas Campbell Gravity Wheel, imho, is also a working structure, just not as transparent as F.M. CHALKALIS ENERGY MULTIPLIER.


p.s. for any OU generator, you need the correct calculation of the parameters, and the correct setting, like for any other (ordinary) mechanism. and then later, some "OU seekers" have statements: "this OU is not working" ....
« Last Edit: January 11, 2020, 03:36:17 PM by magneat »

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Re: re: energy producing experiments
« Reply #154 on: January 11, 2020, 04:30:02 PM »
I think that the despin concept is in some way incorporated into any wheel that produces energy. So I will outline the despin concept.

It takes the same amount of force, applied for a period of time, to make a mass move around the arc of a circle as it does to make the mass move in a straight line. So the math used for the arc of the circle is the same as that used for a straight line. Which is F = ma.  When a mounted rim has a certain amount of force applied for a certain amount of time the mounted rim has a certain amount of momentum.

A 9 kilogram rim can be accelerated by wrapping a weighted string around the rim; and a one kilogram mass can be placed on the end of the string. After the one kilogram mass has dropped .5097 meters the system will have a velocity of 1 m/sec.

A 10 kilogram rim mass wheel moving one meter per second, in the arc of a circle, has 10 units of momentum. When a 1 kilogram mass swings out on the end of a string (as in the cylinder and spheres) it will have 10 units of momentum when the rim's motion is stopped.

This is proven to be momentum because the 1 kilogram can restore all the motion back to the rim if the 1 kilogram is left attached. Small masses can not give their energy to larger masses.

Ten kilograms moving 1 m/sec (the rim with spheres attached) is 5 joules of energy.

One kilogram moving 10 m/sec (the spheres) is 50 joules.

The one kilogram moving 10 m/sec can be sent upwards 5.097 meters.

So we start over . A 9 kilogram rim can be accelerated by wrapping a weighted string around the rim; and a one kilogram mass can be placed on the end of the string. After the one kilogram mass has dropped only .5097 meters the system will have a velocity of 1 m/sec.  This one meter per second, for the 10 kilograms, bring us back to the  point where we transferred the motion of the rim to the smaller spheres. The smaller spheres are then sent upward 5.097 meters.  And we have 5.097 - .5097 = 4.587meters left over.

Now the question for all these flywheels is: How do you gain an energy increase without releasing the spheres and letting them rise. They need a tower for the spheres to rise; and then catch the spheres for a slower driving descent.   

Another question I have is: How can all these people be so close and not try wrapping their flywheels with a weighted string and see if it works.

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Offline magneat

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Re: re: energy producing experiments
« Reply #155 on: January 11, 2020, 05:16:45 PM »

Delburt Phend, your question was for me?
English is not my native language, so I might not understand you correctly.
I don’t understand the expression "despin concept".
it would be more clear if there was a drawing + formulas.
my point of erosion is outlined in the following posts (if you have not read them):
https://overunity.com/17113/re-energy-producing-experiments/msg541516/#msg541516


Obert effect video - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dq5jbPoE_Cc
popular explanation of the Obert effect - http://hopsblog-hop.blogspot.com/2013/10/what-about-mr-oberth.html


mathematical presentation of the Obert effect, and assumptions about its presence in OU generators:
https://overunity.com/17113/re-energy-producing-experiments/msg541532/#msg541532
https://overunity.com/17113/re-energy-producing-experiments/msg541788/#msg541788
https://overunity.com/17113/re-energy-producing-experiments/msg541808/#msg541808
https://overunity.com/17113/re-energy-producing-experiments/150/

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« Reply #156 on: January 11, 2020, 07:42:06 PM »
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=boLk57cKNao

Please notice that the spheres swing out from the cylinder and the cylinder stops.

The cylinder's mass is a great deal larger than the spheres.

The spheres absorb all the motion of the cylinder. This is the despin effect.

Also note that the rotational motion of the cylinder is restarted. This restart guarantees that this motion transfer is momentum conservation.  Because as proven by ballistic pendulums energy is not conserved when a smaller mass transfers its motion to a larger mass. And a great deal of motion would be lost.

The spheres could be released as the cylinder is stopped and they could be directed upward.

The increase in energy is proportional to the mass difference. If the total (cylinder's and spheres') mass is ten time that of the spheres then the energy increase is ten times; when the spheres have all the motion.

For other experiments type delburt phend youtube into the search engine. 

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Offline magneat

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Re: re: energy producing experiments
« Reply #157 on: January 11, 2020, 08:03:19 PM »
...For other experiments type delburt phend youtube into the search engine.

Your experiments are very interesting!
but, how do you see their practical application for obtaining OU? Do you already have thoughts on this?

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Re: re: energy producing experiments
« Reply #158 on: January 12, 2020, 01:07:06 AM »
How does that compare to when the cylinder is on a bearing?


Tetherball?
Bolas?

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Re: re: energy producing experiments
« Reply #159 on: January 12, 2020, 01:21:40 AM »
Absolutely

The one gentleman had a wheel that must have had a mass of one hundred kilograms. And it was probably moving several meters per second; so lets start there. With 100 kilograms moving 2 meters per second. And let transfer that momentum to 5 kilograms.

One hundred kilograms moving two meters per sec is 200 units of momentum.

When we transfer all of the momentum to 5 kilograms the five kilograms will have to be moving 40 meters per second. At 40 meters per second it can rise 81.5 meters.       d = 1/2v²/a

After it has risen 81.5 meters we can place it on a stack of eighty 5 kilogram masses 80 meters high.  These masses would be spaced 1 meter apart.

You can drop the entire stack one meter. And all you have to do to return the stack to its original configuration is to take the lowest 5 kilograms and throw it back to the top.

You can throw the lowest five kilograms back to the top by accelerating the 100 kilogram rim to 2 meters per second and transfer the momentum into a five kilogram mass.

A stack of 80 five kilogram masses has a mass of 400 kilograms. 400 kilograms can accelerate a 100 kilogram rim to 2 m/sec after the stack has dropped a distance of .2548 meters. But in this drop of one fourth meter not only is the rim moving 2 m/sec but so is the 400 kilograms stack.  So now you have 1000 units of momentum and you only need 200 (5 kg * 40 m/sec) units to reload the stack.

200 units of momentum is one fifth of 1000 and the distance dropped is only a fourth of a meter. The stack was dropped one meter.   One fifth of the momentum and one fourth of the distance is only 5%.

The stack is reconfigured by using only 5% of the motion produced from the one meter drop of the stack.

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Re: re: energy producing experiments
« Reply #160 on: January 12, 2020, 01:46:43 AM »
E= mgh (only when it falls)


If I have a rock that weighs 10 tons
And I lift one end up (leaving the other on the ground)
I am only lifting part of the rock. This is much easier than
lifting the entire rock. (something less than 10 tons)
Now if I place a fulcrum at its center, it will balance itself out.
Literally lifting the other half of the rock for us.
we have 10 tons in the air we can drop.


Let’s take two 5 ton weights.
Place a raise bar above them. Center pivot. Tie chains
and pull them tight, and use their balance to pull the chains
tighter and get them off the ground. Like scales.
You may have to dig some dirt then bounce them pulling the chains
tighter to get them airborne.
now: you can move these and spin the bar around with little effort
we have 10 tons flying through the air.


do this with another pair in a “T” shape so it pivots on 2 gimbals
we have 20 tons flying through the air on a 4-way pivot.
Get them spinning fast
now you can get them all swinging up and outwards on their chains.
Now we have 20 tons higher than before.
catching the momentum of these yields an incredible burst of energy
And the Height at which we catch them is higher than before.
Support the weights raise the supports and do it again.
Each time gaining a burst of impact energy 20 tons slamming into something.
Each time 20 tons higher than before.
Each time just little you spinning a perfectly balanced axle with ease.




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Re: re: energy producing experiments
« Reply #161 on: January 12, 2020, 01:49:08 AM »
Like spinning a heavy barrel

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« Reply #162 on: January 12, 2020, 01:59:33 AM »
If we want to achieve a sustainable energy footprint
and not be dependent on anything
It is a simple equation.
How much energy do you need?
How many times does your generator need to spin
to make enough power for the rest of your life?


Figure out what kind of gearing this would require to operate a
Gravity drop-weight system at a reasonable height.
Meaning if you had weight X at a height you can build a tall enough
support to, geared down to spin your generator for 50-60 years.


Calculate the torque on that gear at nominal operating rpm.
And then figure out how much weight you need to get up there.
You can compare that to say..... your water bill.
Which will lift the mass of water to the height of your local tower for free.
(at the same rate you pay for water, and needs to be pre pressure regulator
       for max height)




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Re: re: energy producing experiments
« Reply #163 on: January 12, 2020, 07:38:31 AM »
I like to equate energy in terms I can relate to as a country boy like cutting the grass with my lawn mower. So my household requires 1 KW on average neglecting peaks and troughs at an average efficiency of 30-40% not unlike my lawn mower. So my real world not BS energy needs are not unlike a 5hp generator/lawn mower screaming away in my back yard 24/7.

Now let's take maybe 4 billion 5hp lawn mowers screaming away as residential and 8 billion as commercial/industrial and now we have a little fucking problem. Think of it this way, a billion is a thousand-million so were talking about let's say 12 thousand million generators screaming away every day just to keep up with our current demand. Understand this is only our electrical demand and has nothing to do with heating/cooling or HVAC in the rest of the world.

For example where I live in Alberta and it is supposed to hit -35 Celsius with wind chill into -55 the next few days. If I do not have fucking  "energy" I die unlike many of these pussies in Florida at mar-a-lago who think not being able to charge their phone is the end of the world.

So if were going to talk about energy then lets talk about energy but don't think think anyone just can throw out some bs they cannot justify. I live and breath energy because my life depends on it because I live in a environment designed to kill most people.

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Re: re: energy producing experiments
« Reply #164 on: January 12, 2020, 10:27:21 PM »
I have to disagree magneat, the Chalkalis device, was not overunity.

The Chas Campbell device was on a loose wooden plank, as I have shown before on video but it seems someting happened to that.

It may have have had improper weight distribution.

You are not the first to come here and say these things, I have said all this before.

The problem is that we, me , everybody, wont build a proper test bench because small people are small and stay small.

Its a big endeavour to make it the way I want it, and theres cheaper things that show much more promise.

Dominating factor is still money, economics.

 

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