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Author Topic: Getting energy from asymmetry of the magnetic field experiment  (Read 20897 times)

Offline lancaIV

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Re: Getting energy from asymmetry of the magnetic field experiment
« Reply #135 on: April 20, 2020, 03:37:38 PM »
Okay,#125 was my reaction cause !
So it is to mark that you do not write about "magnet" as industrial product but related natural bonding and attracting forces ,beginning with solely elementary table atoms in mole weight !

This is chemistry branch ! Le Chatelier/v.Braun Theory !
To applied electro-magneto chemistry via PVDF : DE3627532  Peter Ferger,german inventor

Piezo-/Pyro-ceramic is your actual re-/search base ,I think so ! Could clearly be wrong,my assumption !


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Offline ayeaye

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Re: Getting energy from asymmetry of the magnetic field experiment
« Reply #136 on: April 20, 2020, 04:48:53 PM »
Well, electrons orbiting the nucleus, this causes the force known as the magnetic force. It's like the Ampere's law, if electrons in two atoms orbit in the same direction, then the atoms attract, when they orbit in the opposite directions, then the atoms repulse.

Now the field that this causes, is asymmetric, that is not completely spherical around the poles. And this has the most profound consequences, what it really means. Some may want to just throw away this small fact, as unimportant. But who doesn't, sees the profound importance of it.


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Re: Getting energy from asymmetry of the magnetic field experiment
« Reply #137 on: April 20, 2020, 05:00:08 PM »
Your explanation "plastical in 4d" I have to think in ping-pong =table tennis and the first TV-monitor game in the 70', the first video game.In the Ampere defind as two lines and you reduce to two atoms.
How,when the droper fails in his attemption for hunting luck,his weapon called bumerang acts ?
Why ?
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Re: Getting energy from asymmetry of the magnetic field experiment
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Offline ayeaye

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Re: Getting energy from asymmetry of the magnetic field experiment
« Reply #138 on: April 20, 2020, 05:18:06 PM »
Yes, consider when these lines are circles.


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Re: Getting energy from asymmetry of the magnetic field experiment
« Reply #139 on: April 20, 2020, 05:46:31 PM »
These two lines by condition : a.  straight b. with turns, to a. each one with swirls,these defined as Biot-Savart law,the quantum magnetic force called Ampere-turns !

You want now the conditioning from the 2 atoms,they orbitals,ccw or cw ,....?


It is an Art,to write "be that Change(unconditionized)" and another "panta rei : c'est moi !  ;) "

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Re: Getting energy from asymmetry of the magnetic field experiment
« Reply #140 on: June 09, 2020, 01:38:32 PM »
As much as i remember, we talked with Magnetman about things very relevant to his magnet motor, many years ago. We talked about many things and wrote many ideas. I don't remember, maybe it was my idea, or it somehow came out of the conversation. But when asking a question, what if we put a 45 degrees magnet near a ring magnet.

I thought, when there is overunity with a 45 degrees magnet and a small magnet, and it works with a row of small magnets. Then, magnet is composed of dipoles, that are like many small magnets. So when there is more force in one direction than the other, with a small magnet, then is that true also like with a large top surface of a ring magnet? I couldn't say then, that it cannot work.

Magnetman decided to patent his work, so we get no more information from him, including the possible measurements or experiments that he did. But if he really found that it works with a ring magnet, that's certainly interesting. And something to find out by experiments and measuring.

He used one ring magnet on another, like a frictionless bearing, to decrease friction. I think what if to use large 45 degrees magnets instead, and a rotating ring magnet that is on bearings. Because the 45 degrees magnets can be stationary and not move, so they can be heavy, the rotating ring magnet can be light.

So we increase force instead of decreasing friction, maybe this gives the same. What about this 45 degrees magnets moving up and down, decreasing unevenness of the field or such. Maybe this is a kind of fine tune, when the force is not great, maybe when the force is greater, it works without it. I don't know. Just my thought, may be right or entirely incorrect. Anyway, the way to find out is experimenting.


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Re: Getting energy from asymmetry of the magnetic field experiment
« Reply #141 on: June 13, 2020, 05:04:21 PM »
It is geometric not magnetic, the solution is there:

https://overunity.com/18470/mechanical-device-uses-geometry/

you use magnetic field like shapes and sure you have an energy, but you can have the same with electrostatic. At 80° the efficiency is 2. The limit of energy recovered is only the force you can have from one object to another. If you can put 10000N (the device is 1 m of size in my calculations), the energy recovered is 170 J and the energy needed is 80 J. That for around 10 cm in translation.

It is possible to use the mechanical device only where the efficiency is greater for a limited angle, with a high speed of rotation the power will increase easily. The efficiency is function of the angle of the rack relatively to the horizontal.

The problem of measures: the efficiency is better closer to 90° BUT the energy needed/recover is lower, so near 90° you need to apply a great force to have a significant energy, generally it is difficult to have it in reality without put an energy, and move a big force will introduce losses.

The mechanical device is easy to build and the force is only limited by the resistance of the material (limit of breaking).

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Re: Getting energy from asymmetry of the magnetic field experiment
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