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Author Topic: Magnet force shield  (Read 35472 times)

Offline Floor

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Re: Magnet force shield
« Reply #105 on: March 27, 2017, 03:38:07 AM »
@ Dieter

   thanks for the femm files.
..............
On that other topic.....I was practicing to write a pattent / still thinking that a pattent could
keep an design available to all.

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Re: Magnet force shield
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Re: Magnet force shield
« Reply #106 on: March 27, 2017, 04:10:14 AM »
patents are costy, and not granted if already patented, and that research is a lot of work.


However, the patent design guide may be useful.


About femm, it is 2D and does not account for the high horizontal forces due to the flat shape of the stack parts. Femm also tends to see a stack as one single magnet, with a neutral zone in the center. Maybe I should add tiny airgaps between the stack layers. Did you try that, with spacers, eg. 1mm? What is that anyway, I chose "ceramic 8" in Femm.

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Re: Magnet force shield
« Reply #107 on: March 27, 2017, 04:20:51 AM »
@ Dieter

The idea to patent "that"... was several years ago.  I researched patenting in the U.S,
pretty thoroughly at that time.
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The magnet stacks are just an easy way for me to create / approximate a single magnet.
 I think that they do a pretty good job of that, and that femm seeing a stack as a single
 magnet is not problematic.

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Re: Magnet force shield
« Reply #107 on: March 27, 2017, 04:20:51 AM »
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Re: Magnet force shield
« Reply #108 on: March 28, 2017, 10:32:23 PM »
Just another idea I had: this whole measuring business has a complicating tendency. Often we end up, not knowing if our numbers actually are correct.


A simple work cycle setup could be easier. Although a rotation type seems tricky here.


I was thinking, two independent pistons, over pleuel turning a flywheel with gears each, in 90deg. to eachother, so they can be synched in the right timing. the sinusodial motion seems helpful for this effect. Stack piston opening space by being repelled, shield piston moves between, stack piston falls back with low force requirement, shield piston moves out without much force req., stack piston is repelled...


That would be for a repelling varation.


Stack puston could be "stereo" for both stacks.


I actually made gears out of wood (print on paper, glue on, saw, file...) with surprisingly low friction losses (compared to eg. a rubber belt).


By the size of your magnets, the gain should be capable of driving itself.


Fear of failure is still better than disbelief in the possibility of success. Edison needed 1000+ attempts for the lightbulb. Did anyone here actually try 1000 devices? And besides, this is big.

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Re: Magnet force shield
« Reply #109 on: March 28, 2017, 10:49:03 PM »
Actually, I didn't saw the gears, but drilled holes (table drill) and filed it mainly. That's quick. Punching the very centers for each hole with a loupe and a nail provides high precision when drilling. Hey, wood rocks ^^

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Offline Floor

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Re: Magnet force shield
« Reply #110 on: March 28, 2017, 11:14:18 PM »
@Dieter

It looks like Gotoluc is takeing some well derserved time off,
             (at least from the builds in public ?).
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My last presented shielding method, has proven once again to be ineffective.

Friction between the bottom of the repelled magnet stack and an epoxy residue
on the bench, facilitated an miss perseption of the of the shielding
alignment's effectiveness.  That effect is more appearant when viewing
the video than when one is actually manipulateing the magnets oneself.
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User "Woopy's" observations of that "magnet shield" (on the TD replications) topic
were pretty much accurate.  (Thanks Woopy)

          here   @    http://overunity.com/16987/td-replications/msg502305/#msg502305

Also credit is due user Norman6538 for his observations (on this topic) which may have been
the same / similar to Woopy's, although he did not eloquate them .

When I installed the repelled magnet stack onto my linear bearings / slideing unit
... boom ! .... no buneo ! .... so onward.
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Your last FEMM files may have been more useful than I initially thought they would be.

They led me back toward,  a previously mentioned by me

                   "There is yet another 3 magnet interaction set I want to diagram."

That is the method I'll be putting up next ......but with full details / measurements compleated.

                        I like this one  a lot....although it's a little bit of a complex arrangrement....

                 Thanks
                      best wishes
                                 floor

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Re: Magnet force shield
« Reply #111 on: March 30, 2017, 02:14:34 AM »
@  all readers
I have deleated my recent video "magnetshield-1" WHICH DID NOT WORK and

which was @  http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x5eg7kk_magnetshield-1_tech

 best wishes
    floor

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Re: Magnet force shield
« Reply #112 on: March 30, 2017, 01:00:56 PM »
@  all readers
I have deleated my recent video "magnetshield-1" WHICH DID NOT WORK and

which was @  http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x5eg7kk_magnetshield-1_tech

 best wishes
    floor
You might have an explanation why the magnetic shield didn't work.
I think it's important to take failures and turn them into education so others doesn't spend time doing the same mistake. You know how people are in this forum. Unmistakeable people, convinced they have found a solution to an impossible problem.

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Re: Magnet force shield
« Reply #113 on: March 30, 2017, 08:49:25 PM »
@l readers

Here is the "yet another 3 magnet interaction" in video.

@                    http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x5gqomq_yetanothermagset_tech

                No measurments yet either.

                 floor

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Re: Magnet force shield
« Reply #113 on: March 30, 2017, 08:49:25 PM »
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Re: Magnet force shield
« Reply #114 on: March 30, 2017, 09:09:23 PM »
@ Low-Q

Nothing risked ..... no failures
Nothing risked..... nothing gained.
I have the freedom to fail and to succede.

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Re: Magnet force shield
« Reply #115 on: March 31, 2017, 04:16:38 AM »
@Cairun

         I didn't miss the FEMM files you posted.  But I did miss
responding to them.  Sorry.  Better late than never.
Yes it seems that offset is necessary   as ... and for   the reasons
you have stated .... and as the FEMM files seem to confirm.
                  thanks
                its appreciated
                         floor

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Re: Magnet force shield
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Re: Magnet force shield
« Reply #116 on: April 02, 2017, 12:59:45 AM »
When you watch the full shield femm render above, note the shield area has two sections: one many fieldlines, one few. Few means repelling, many is attracting.


So they cancel eachother out. It does indeed shield. But the question is, how much force is required to move the shield in and out.


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Re: Magnet force shield
« Reply #117 on: April 02, 2017, 03:40:07 AM »
@Dieter

Odds are .... that

the convention that the magnets will give rise to a conservative
work interaction,  holds true under the above conditions.

work in = work out except for losses.

It remains that, the only interactions I have seen ...
         that may not be.... are

       1. the original TD
               and I think also
       2.  one variation of LaFont's pseudo solid stuff.

I just may do, a new measuring sets for the original TD interactions,
and see what I see in  light of what I've learned in the last few months.

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Re: Magnet force shield
« Reply #118 on: April 02, 2017, 05:13:21 PM »
Two things have been proven:


law of energy conservation is wrong. Many unexplicable energy sources discovered, such as Zero Point Energy, which describes a yet unknown energy source, that keeps helium liquid at zero degrees kelvin ( as per standard theory, it should be solid/frozen.


Second: mankind is selectively stupid and ignorant, esp. in Masses and within hierarchical doctrines... easily capable of missing a couple of things.




I think, while using the verified work of others is fine, one MUST disbelieve in socalled accepted belief. How can we say out=in-losses if science even remotely doesn't understand magnets.


Therefor this "uh, they might be right after all" in the back of ones head surely adds to failure and frustration. But this no free lunch attitude they indoctrinate rather religiously, is from a scientific point of view, simply wrong.


Before it's a miracle. After it's science.

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Re: Magnet force shield
« Reply #119 on: April 05, 2017, 04:37:00 PM »
@Dieter

It's interesting that....

of    ALL     of these projects in the last several months.....
under the headings of

"TD replications",

"magnetic force shield"
           and
"all magnet motor (TD based)"

 NOT ONE OF THEM is based upon the original twist drive design

No one has actually presented a  close replication of / presentation of
the Twist Drive design.

Lots of looking around at conservative interactions, but still no replication as of yet

Lumens experiments used neo magnets rather than ceramics and his presentation lacked
all the details of his parameters and of his methods used.  Other wise they were closer
to being a replication than any other "tests" were.

I've been all through it now, by  Looking at conventional interactions and finding
conventional results.. This including a working "magnet force shield" (non OU)
But effectively shielding nun the less.

It seems we are compelled to look into what does not work.... just perhaps
because the principles are familiar or known....

Why the TD works is unknown / speculative.... unfamiliar...

Pseudo Solid principle may be OU as well..   

I see some similarity underlying each of those ..... (random to order)...

Below in a PDF file is user Gamma Ray burst's basic concept (as I understand it).
It.... to my knowledge remains unmeasured at this time !

Please find below  the attached "PS principle 6-2 PDF" file

   regards
          floor

 

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