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Title: Smudge's Musings on Electro-kinetic Potential in the Earth’s A Field
Post by: ramset on January 06, 2017, 03:33:20 PM
Below is a link to Cyril's recent paper on this topic [with more to come ]
Snip
The magnetic field of the Earth (here taken to be truly spherical) can be considered to
emanate from a magnetic dipole of magnitude m=8.24×1022 Am2 at its centre [1]. Although
the magnetic field at the surface is rather weak, the same cannot be said for the magnetic
scalar and vector potentials. The huge magnetic scalar potential is considered in my paper [9]
where the possibility exists to use it for gaining electro-magnetic thrust, and possibly also
overunity systems. This present paper looks at the magnetic vector potential.


all comments welcome
respectfully
Chet k
Title: Re: Smudge's Musings on Electro-kinetic Potential in the Earth’s A Field
Post by: ramset on January 06, 2017, 07:14:01 PM
second paper below
Snip"
This present paper deals with movement of conduction electrons at low drift velocities and
suggests possible ways that induced potential might give rise to anomalous results. A further
paper will deal with electrodes on spinning discs where much greater velocities can be
achieved.
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all comments welcomed and appreciated
respectfully
Chet K
Title: Re: Smudge's Musings on Electro-kinetic Potential in the Earth’s A Field
Post by: ramset on January 07, 2017, 02:25:39 PM
.Here Cyril has added an image for consideration .

more to come







                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                               
Title: Re: Smudge's Musings on Electro-kinetic Potential in the Earth’s A Field
Post by: ramset on January 08, 2017, 05:26:38 PM
Much more work being done

here

http://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=3395.msg59214;topicseen#msg59214

all on topic comments welcomed and appreciated

respectfully
Chet K

 
Title: Re: Smudge's Musings on Electro-kinetic Potential in the Earth’s A Field
Post by: ramset on January 09, 2017, 06:01:11 PM
Cyril has posted another PDF

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The previous suggestion for a rotating disc assumed that electrodes following a
curved trajectory would obtain some induced charge by that movement. That may not
be the case and it may be necessary to deliberately place charge on an electrode so
that this quantity of charge q moving from a positive electro-kinetic potential + v·A to
a negative potential - v·A gains or loses electro-kinetic energy 2q(v·A). This would
require the device to include a HV DC generator that supplies the charge via spark
gaps. The following figure shows this.

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image and more info in PDF below

all comments [on topic] welcome and appreciated

respectfully
Chet K
Title: Re: Smudge's Musings on Electro-kinetic Potential in the Earth’s A Field
Post by: Dave45 on January 09, 2017, 07:20:01 PM
The A vector field runs outside an air cored coil but if a ferrous core is added it pulls the field in close to the core. The field is pos so will be attracted to a cap with one leg attached to ground.
Im glad someone is realising this is the field that is responsible for energy exchange. Of course it is relative to the magnetic field so all calculations work.


The testatika has an air core coil in the center of the wheel, the vanes run in an collect the A vector field of this coil.
The current run through the coil is dc, a coil powered with dc will have a centered spiral field, a coil powered with ac will have a broad erratic field.

Title: Re: Smudge's Musings on Electro-kinetic Potential in the Earth’s A Field
Post by: shylo on January 10, 2017, 10:19:14 AM
Hi Dave, So if the coil is AC does that mean the field now swings pos to neg ?
With a half bridge on each coil lead you can now charge 2 caps?
Thanks artv
Title: Re: Smudge's Musings on Electro-kinetic Potential in the Earth’s A Field
Post by: Dave45 on January 10, 2017, 01:05:32 PM
The coil is dc, the vanes are collecting the A vector field.
Title: Re: Smudge's Musings on Electro-kinetic Potential in the Earth’s A Field
Post by: Dave45 on January 10, 2017, 01:16:07 PM
This is how to pull energy from a dc powered coil without pulsing it.
Its ironic that we have been using wind mills for years and now an electric mill is the answer we need.
No ferrous material around the coil, you want the field to run outside the coil in the path of the vanes.
Title: Re: Smudge's Musings on Electro-kinetic Potential in the Earth’s A Field
Post by: Dave45 on January 11, 2017, 01:22:02 PM
If we think of earth as a magnet the magnetic fields run south to north so telluric currents run west to east.

Title: Re: Smudge's Musings on Electro-kinetic Potential in the Earth’s A Field
Post by: Dave45 on January 11, 2017, 01:35:17 PM
The telluric currents would be a dc system.
Title: Re: Smudge's Musings on Electro-kinetic Potential in the Earth’s A Field
Post by: ramset on January 16, 2017, 05:02:25 PM
Thanks for all thoughts
Cyril has added more Musings and a possible simple experiment below
more to follow

all comments [on topic]

welcomed and appreciated

respectfully
Chet K
Title: Re: Smudge's Musings on Electro-kinetic Potential in the Earth’s A Field
Post by: ramset on January 17, 2017, 03:39:11 AM
Snip from PDF above [* More on using the Earth's Magnetic Vector Potential.pdf

""Simple Experiment

In order to establish that a changing charge really does exhibit force from the Earth’s
A field it would seem worthwhile to conduct a simple experiment. This is illustrated
in figure 6. A conductive sphere is suspended from the ceiling using a thin
connecting wire. The sphere is charged to a high potential from an EHT source,
Title: Re: Smudge's Musings on Electro-kinetic Potential in the Earth’s A Field
Post by: sm0ky2 on January 17, 2017, 05:39:10 AM
If you take a spherical magnet, and spin it on its' axis
The field stays in place from a perspective some distance from the magnet.
But what happens to a conductor at the surface that is rotating with it?
If the field isn't rotating, then the rotating conductor must be cutting the lines of force


What does that mean to us on the surface of the earth, if we face a pair of
polarized coils in an (magnetic) east/west direction?
And maybe amplify the field with a magnet aligned to the earths field.


When we run the numbers for the kinetic energy between the rotation of the earth
And a theoretical "motionless" object......
The impact velocity is just over 1,000 Mph at the surface from the rotation alone.
That is ignoring our current orbital velocity around the sun
Or the motion of our solar system or galaxy through space.


I don't know if anyone has tried to make a motor using a sphere magnet
wrapped with a coil and rotating them both together with sliding contacts
Would be interesting to know the outcome.


The alternative would have to be that even on the surface
The field appears stationary.
What then happens to an induction coil on the front of an east/westbound model rocket?
Title: Re: Smudge's Musings on Electro-kinetic Potential in the Earth’s A Field
Post by: lumen on January 20, 2017, 07:38:05 AM
If the field was stationary as you suggest,  then if Earths nearly uniform field was passing through a coil it would also be passing out of the coil at the same rate.
Any positive current gain from the field entering the coil would be equal to the negative current generated as it was exiting the coil so the overall gain is zero.
Title: Re: Smudge's Musings on Electro-kinetic Potential in the Earth’s A Field
Post by: Dave45 on January 21, 2017, 03:09:25 PM
Saturn's A vector field is visible as well as a few more planets, to see if its static read all you can from nasa and other publications on the rings.
Title: Re: Smudge's Musings on Electro-kinetic Potential in the Earth’s A Field
Post by: ramset on January 28, 2017, 12:20:42 PM
there will be more info and experiments here from Cyril

in the mean time this experiment may be directly related

http://spaceflight101.com/htv-6/htv-kite-experiment/

[a contribution from member EM devices
here http://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=3412.msg59550;topicseen#msg59550]

all comments welcomed and appreciated.

respectfully

Chet K
Title: Re: Smudge's Musings on Electro-kinetic Potential in the Earth’s A Field
Post by: sm0ky2 on January 28, 2017, 08:52:19 PM
Tether experiments are closer to static electricity
Caused primarily by the low-friction, high-speed wind
currents of the upper atmosphere.
Air pressure is low and there is little resistance
which allows the air to flow at much higher speeds


Many have thought to tap into the currents directly
unfortunately air density is too low to effectively use
conventional wind power technology.


The last tethered experiments caused such a high
ionic potential they had to release it in fear of
damaging the spacecraft that held the tether.
Title: Re: Smudge's Musings on Electro-kinetic Potential in the Earth’s A Field
Post by: ramset on February 17, 2017, 04:15:49 AM
Smudge has a few More Papers on the topic
and some simple experiments to ponder
Grum has been whittling  away at one rendering too [image below]


from here
http://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=3395.msg59830;topicseen#msg59830

all comments welcomed and appreciated
respectfully
Chet K
Title: Re: Smudge's Musings on Electro-kinetic Potential in the Earth’s A Field
Post by: ramset on February 22, 2017, 10:02:19 PM
Now Grum has it working
here
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h6fiF6yJJX0

Title: Re: Smudge's Musings on Electro-kinetic Potential in the Earth’s A Field
Post by: Grumage on February 23, 2017, 04:23:56 PM
Now Grum has it working
here
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h6fiF6yJJX0

Thanks Chet.

The video showed the first test of the rotor, now I have to build a proper support so that we can rotate the assembly through the cardinal points.

Dear Luc.

Yes Polycarbonate sheet is the answer for things Electrostatic!

Dear artv.

The box underneath the vacuum cleaner fan housing is nothing more than a box of Brass dome head nuts, just something lying around at the time.
The motor works by charging the nearest sphere which then gets repelled ( like charges ) the now charged spheres move towards the earthy side ( unlike charge ) which attracts and discharges, rinse and repeat.......

More to come as time permits....

Cheers Graham.
Title: Re: Smudge's Musings on Electro-kinetic Potential in the Earth’s A Field
Post by: gotoluc on February 23, 2017, 10:16:15 PM
Thanks Graham,


I'm very interested in this motor idea which coincides with something else that I have been considering.
Also, the motor may be able to work without a spark discharge which wastes power. It may be done by redirecting charges.
If I can prove that then this could demonstrate one of the working principal of the Innova Tehno device.


Regards


Luc
Title: Re: Smudge's Musings on Electro-kinetic Potential in the Earth’s A Field
Post by: Grumage on February 26, 2017, 09:04:29 PM
Hello to all.

Ok....

Initial results..... Looking good, but wrongly executed.....

Clockwise rotation yields 80+ RPM with more rapid acceleration. Anticlockwise rotation yields 60+ RPM with noticeably longer acceleration time.

" Mr Hand " was used to start rotation, this is something that needs addressing.

Yet to try with North input South output.

Kind regards, Graham.
Title: Re: Smudge's Musings on Electro-kinetic Potential in the Earth’s A Field
Post by: Grumage on February 26, 2017, 09:16:14 PM
The final test rig assembly.
Title: Re: Smudge's Musings on Electro-kinetic Potential in the Earth’s A Field
Post by: Grumage on February 27, 2017, 06:48:12 PM
More results.

With HT applied due North, ground applied due South I get....

66 RPM Clockwise.

71.3 RPM Counter Clockwise. With markedly noticeable acceleration in this direction.

These results come from using my " hand held " opto tachometer bouncing off each sphere then dividing by 16.

Having spoken with Cyril on the telephone last night the only method that will prove positively is with the HV module and the experiment set up outside in the middle of nowhere! Lucky for me..... I live in the middle of nowhere!

That's all for now folks......

Cheers Graham.
 
Title: Re: Smudge's Musings on Electro-kinetic Potential in the Earth’s A Field
Post by: Grumage on March 23, 2017, 07:37:05 PM
Dear All.

Here's the first run of the new lightweight rotor for Smudges experiment.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RGG70XbLlXs

Still waiting for the second batch of Stainless Steel spheres to arrive.

Cheers Graham.
Title: Re: Smudge's Musings on Electro-kinetic Potential in the Earth’s A Field
Post by: ramset on March 23, 2017, 08:58:27 PM
Also being discussed here
http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/20677-smudges-musings-electro-kinetic-potential-earth-s-field.html#post299814

respectfully
Chet K
Title: Re: Smudge's Musings on Electro-kinetic Potential in the Earth’s A Field
Post by: Grumage on March 30, 2017, 06:36:54 PM
Update.

Franklin motor Mk3 now nearly complete.

Two of the spheres are very badly finished, I've asked for replacements.

Not going to bore everyone with yet another " Spinney " video.....   ;)

Cheers Graham.
Title: Re: Smudge's Musings on Electro-kinetic Potential in the Earth’s A Field
Post by: Grumage on March 30, 2017, 08:00:29 PM
You can all blame Chet !!    :)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wkMnY2SsxPk

                                      ;)
Title: Re: Smudge's Musings on Electro-kinetic Potential in the Earth’s A Field
Post by: shylo on April 01, 2017, 11:13:47 PM
Beautiful, does it run off it's own static electricity ,or are you inputting electricity to keep it running?
artv
Title: Re: Smudge's Musings on Electro-kinetic Potential in the Earth’s A Field
Post by: ramset on April 01, 2017, 11:24:13 PM
Grum
thanks for the above
and here is the latest with the new power supply

@ Shylo ,yes it runs on a transformer

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=koJ0qHNWlBM

the eventual experiment will be to see if the earths A field can effect this device ,which would be amazing news
and open a whole new door in experiments [to say the least

respectfully
Chet K