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Author Topic: Over unity vacuum tube technology  (Read 2020 times)

Offline antimony

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Over unity vacuum tube technology
« on: March 14, 2018, 04:53:35 PM »
I have recently ordered a bunch of different size electron tubes because i was originally studying the EU theory, and what the SAFIRE project have put out.
That in turn reminded me of the the Pulsed Abnormal Glow Plasma technology that Correa have patented.

What Correa and the Safire project use are large vacuum chambers, and vacuum tubes are sort of small vacuum chambers, so I wanted to ask is:
I havent found any, but have anybody here heard of an overunity device that uses vacuum tubes?

Thanks in advance

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Re: Over unity vacuum tube technology
« Reply #1 on: March 15, 2018, 02:47:05 PM »
I have worked with vacuum tubes for over 50 years.  They are NOT OU devices.  The problem is for newcomers to electronics they mix up the concept of signal amplification with power amplification.  They are NOT the same thing.  A vacuum tube can amplify signals but NOT power.  The vacuum tube allows a small voltage signal to control a higher voltage to produce a larger signal.  But YOU have to supply the higher voltage from your power supply.  There are tutorials online that can explain how vacuum tubes and transistors work.  They both can amplify signals but neither can amplify power.

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Carroll

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Re: Over unity vacuum tube technology
« Reply #2 on: March 15, 2018, 06:37:28 PM »
I have worked with vacuum tubes for over 50 years.  They are NOT OU devices.  The problem is for newcomers to electronics they mix up the concept of signal amplification with power amplification.  They are NOT the same thing.  A vacuum tube can amplify signals but NOT power.  The vacuum tube allows a small voltage signal to control a higher voltage to produce a larger signal.  But YOU have to supply the higher voltage from your power supply.  There are tutorials online that can explain how vacuum tubes and transistors work.  They both can amplify signals but neither can amplify power.

Respectfully,
Carroll

Hi Carroll, long time. Hope you are doing ok. :)

I am right now building my first VT project, a really basic VT Tesla Coil, and i am learning alot. I know how transistors and vacuum tubes work, but at the same time i donĀ“t really know how they really work, if you know what i mean.
 I am really not super firmiliar with tubes yet, so i know my question sounds stupid, but what i was thinking was that if there were some sort of effect, like electron field emission for example, that could be tapped.

What do you think about the EU theory and the Correa nventions?




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Re: Over unity vacuum tube technology
« Reply #2 on: March 15, 2018, 06:37:28 PM »
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Offline citfta

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Re: Over unity vacuum tube technology
« Reply #3 on: March 15, 2018, 08:07:52 PM »
Hello antimony,

I am doing fine.  Thanks for asking.  I hope you are doing well also.  I am not familiar with either of those subjects.  Do you have a link or two where I can study about them.

I'll see if I can find some links for vacuum tube theory and operation.  They really are not that mysterious.  What is really neat is to see an electron beam welder in operation.  It is like a giant vacuum tube that uses the electron beam to weld two pieces of metal together.  It makes a beautiful and almost perfect weld that is so small you can barely see the welding seam.  Although the seam is very narrow the weld penetrates deep into the metal.

Take care,
Carroll

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Re: Over unity vacuum tube technology
« Reply #4 on: March 16, 2018, 08:17:58 PM »
Hello antimony,

I am doing fine.  Thanks for asking.  I hope you are doing well also.  I am not familiar with either of those subjects.  Do you have a link or two where I can study about them.

I'll see if I can find some links for vacuum tube theory and operation.  They really are not that mysterious.  What is really neat is to see an electron beam welder in operation.  It is like a giant vacuum tube that uses the electron beam to weld two pieces of metal together.  It makes a beautiful and almost perfect weld that is so small you can barely see the welding seam.  Although the seam is very narrow the weld penetrates deep into the metal.

Take care,
Carroll

Yeah, i am doing fine. I have my hands full right now as i will be a dad again in just within 2 weeks, so it can be any day now, so that is pretty stressful. :)

I have never even heard of an electron beam welder. :)  I wll check it out. :)

Btw, i had an idea if it would be possible to make a vacuum tube AV plug, do you think?

For Correa, here is a lnk that has all their patents, and all that. http://ww.aetherometry.com/ It is really interesting stuff.

And here s a lnk to the SAFIRE project: http://safireproject.com/

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Re: Over unity vacuum tube technology
« Reply #5 on: March 22, 2018, 04:39:20 PM »
Hi antimony,

Very sorry for the slow response.  I finally got some time to read the Safire project pdf.  That is a very fascinating article.  I really enjoyed reading it.  Thanks so much for bringing that to my attention.  The first link about Correa did not work.

I guess you are wanting to try and create the Safire project on a very small scale with an off the shelf vacuum tube.  I believe you might be able to get a plasma formed in a normal vacuum tube but I don't think you will be able to get the multiple layers of extremely high energy inside a vacuum tube because of the physical layout of a normal vacuum tube.  You don't have the spherical anode in a normal vacuum tube nor do you have the anode surrounded by the cathode.  I might be wrong about how important that is.  Only testing will show whether or not you can do what they are doing on that small of a scale.

I think you said in an earlier post that you had ordered some vacuum tubes.  Most vacuum tubes were used to amplify a signal.  That means they are made with one or more grids in the tube.  The grids are screen like structures that are used to control the voltage between the cathode and anode of the tube.  This is how the tube amplifies signals.  Those grids I feel would interfere with the forming of any plasma and for certain would interfere with the layers of energy if you can get the tube to that high of a level of energy.  The kind of tube you would want for your experiments would have to be a rectifier tube.  They only have a cathode and anode inside them with no grids.  I don't at the moment recall any of the numbers for rectifier tubes but I am sure you can find some on the internet.  The really old tubes that were used back in the 1930s or so were much larger and only had 4 pins.  Those might be big enough for you to have some success with them.  Also most or them used the filament of the tube as the cathode.  I think that would be what you would want.  Later tubes had a cathode that was separate from the filament and the filament was used to heat the cathode.  I am not sure that would make any difference, but I am only guessing that keeping things as simple as possible might be a good idea.

Good luck on your testing.  I am looking forward to seeing what you can do with this idea.

Take care,
Carroll

PS:  I just had an additional thought.  In a normal vacuum tube the cathode is in the middle and the anode is on the outside.  Since you are not planning to heat the cathode, I think you could hook it up with reversed polarity so that the outside electrode became the cathode and the inside electrode became the anode.  Or maybe even try it both ways to see what happens.

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Re: Over unity vacuum tube technology
« Reply #6 on: March 23, 2018, 11:16:09 PM »
They both can amplify signals but neither can amplify power.

The Correa PAGD (Pulsed Abnormal Glow Discharges) reportedly amplifies power with controlled plasma discharges. So far, I have counted two successful(overunity) independent replications online. http://www.rexresearch.com/correa/correa.htm

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Re: Over unity vacuum tube technology
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