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Title: The Concentric Capacitor - Key to the Kapanadze Device and similar FE Concepts?
Post by: Zeitmaschine on December 16, 2016, 10:40:24 AM
A summarization of the latest findings and theories regarding Aether powered electric free energy devices.

Writing things down helps thinking.

+++ IDENTIFYING A NOVEL PHYSICAL PRINCIPLE +++

As a starter we take a quick look at the »free energy spark« setup as depicted below. One side of the secondary coil of a (50Hz) high voltage transformer is connected to a spark gap while the other side stays open. The second side of the spark gap is connected to a metallic (grounded) object. When the voltage exceeds the breakdown voltage of the surrounding air, a spark occurs. Since there is no closed electric circuit on the high voltage side Lenz's law is not applicable, therefore - as expected - an ammeter connected to the primary coil (via inverter) does not show any increase of current while sparking. But if so, then where is the energy coming from that creates that sparking?

A spark gap also acts as a capacitor. One plate is neutral, the other plate alternates between either a lack of electrons (positive) or a surplus of electrons (negative). This creates a temporary distortion (an electric field) in the Aether (the Aether which is non-existent in modern science) between the electrodes of the spark gap (the plates). As soon as the breakdown of the air occurs the sudden flow of electrons short-circuits that distortion of the Aether. Since there is no time for the distortion to relax gradually and thus giving its energy back to space, the energy of the distorted Aether manifests itself as spark. And strictly speaking, the stored energy in a capacitor is not stored in the capacitor plates but in the Aether between those plates. 

Then what about an ordinary capacitor, let's say 1 Farad? If one charges that capacitor with a certain amount of energy and then he shorts that capacitor abruptly, then, according to the above theory, that quick discharge should release more energy than previously stored in the capacitor, shouldn't it?

And so it is. Here is a video (in German) that demonstrates that effect nicely.

Freie Energie »Kalter Strom« Präsentation (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wAtqPL_maeg)

First he charges that big capacitor with low current (thin cold wire), then he discharges it abruptly (because voltage is too low to create a spark for self-discharge) resulting in a high current (thick glowing wire). Quod erat demonstrandum.

His explanation about the principle of a magnetized Li-Ion accumulator comes without any physical foundation, and I think he knows that. Because he announces a new video coming up shortly that will show how to utilize that effect in a practical way. But now it is almost 6 years ago and we are still waiting for that sequel. Here the discussion (http://overunity.com/10466/joerg-raimund-hempel-and-his-ionic-magnetic-power-imp-cap-charging/) about it, which led to nothing so far.

Tesla: (http://teslaresearch.jimdo.com/books-1/nikola-tesla-on-his-work-with-alternating-currents-and-their-application-to-wireless-telegraphy-telephony-and-transmission-of-power-an-extended-interview-leland-i-anderson-editor/) »I reached 18 million horsepower activities, but that was always by this device: Energy stored in the condenser and discharged in an inconceivably small interval of time.«

This appears to me as if Tesla had this abruptly-discharge-a-condenser idea a long time ago as well. Now one could argue that charging a capacitor slowly and then discharging it quickly will always give more power but in return for a shorter period of time, hence there should be no energy gain. But then, why talks Tesla about »inconceivably small interval of time«? Why that extremely short time span?

Another example (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AprHLd0tfZc). When static high voltage is connected to the spark gap the sparking is extremely violent. The electric field created by the high voltage warps the Aether between the electrodes, resulting in a spark fed by additional energy coming from the Aether.

So far that means, it is practically possible to get energy from the Aether, although not lots of. Now the issue is, how to get USEFUL amounts of energy from the Aether, not just some sparks. How could we do that? By enlarging the capacitor, avoiding any sparking and then taking out the energy by appropriate means?

+++ LOOKING AT SCIENTIFIC PAPERS +++

»The Casimir effect is widely considered to hold the key to the extraction of energy from the Aether.«

»If we wanted to produce energy from the Aether, we would produce photons between strong charges. The ideal configuration would be strong charges arranged in a spherical form. Two spherical objects (of strong charge) held a certain distance apart produce a capacitance. The ratio of the spherically arranged strong charge to capacitance determines the amount of energy that results.« Quoted from Secrets of the Aether (https://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&pid=sites&srcid=ZGVmYXVsdGRvbWFpbnxxYWRpMTZwaTJ8Z3g6NWMyOTMwOGVlMmRiNGZhNQ)

»[...] now consider Fig. 6. Here I show a section of a concentric capacitor. That aether motion I mentioned is now not linear motion but rotary motion confined between the capacitor electrodes and so, when the capacitor voltage is reduced, that motion will have inertia and not dissipate by collisions which feed energy back into the enveloping aether. Instead, it will try to sustain the electric displacement, meaning that it will deploy its energy into the release of electrical energy which can be drawn from the capacitor.« Quoted from Our Future Energy Source - The Vacuum! (http://www.haroldaspden.com/lectures/27.htm), by Harold Aspden. (see illustrations below)

So here it is scientifically suggested to use a concentric capacitor (also called a »magic« capacitor) in order to get useful energy from the Aether. Could there be something to this thesis?

Besides, a concentric capacitor can also act as a Faraday cage (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Faraday_cage). When the inner plate of a concentric capacitor is connected to high voltage, whereas the outer plate is connected to ground, then we have a charge inside a Faraday cage. »If the cage is grounded, the excess charges will go to the ground instead of the outer face [...]« This could generate a ground current depending on the intensity of the electric field inside the concentric capacitor (the Faraday cage). Is this the ground current measured during the demonstration of Kapanadze's green box (https://youtu.be/1ZeNR0zR_fQ?t=12m30s) setup? 

Quote from Rapid and Decisive Solution of the World Energy Crisis and Global Warming (http://siriusdisclosure.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/BeardenSolution.pdf), by T. E. Bearden:

»Presently most scientists and engineers keep thinking [...] that asymmetrical EFTV [energy from the vacuum] COP>1.0 EM systems are simple. In that odd and ill-informed view, if an EFTV inventor really 'has it' and knows what he is doing, then all he has to do is run down to Radio Shack, get some standard parts [...] and whomp them together, and then he's ready to put his system [...] directly into production and marketing. That entire prevailing viewpoint is a colossal joke.«

Considering that statement, it looks indeed as if we need a home-made component of some sort.

And of course »Don't kill the dipole« (https://youtu.be/eNU3MLqyzPk?t=6m24s) with that component. It's just not a nice thing to do.

+++ FAMOUS DEVICES +++

Quote: (http://overunity.com/12736/kapanadze-cousin-dally-free-energy/msg480842/#msg480842)
                »The one component which Kapanadze makes himself is the secret component that makes his device work.«

Thanks to those scientific papers now we do know as well what Kapanadze's secret is. It is a concentric capacitor. Self-made, because Radio Shack does not offer such a component for sale.

So then, could there be a possibility that someone could stumble upon such a capacitor by chance although it is not obtainable in any stores? What about a (three-phase) transformer? One coil wound upon the other can easily function as a concentric capacitor. »all magic happens 'Between coils'« (http://www.energeticforum.com/139097-post156.html), this enigmatic message from Guntis (alias cosmoLV (http://overunity.com/profile/cosmolv.18360/)) now makes sense. The so called »Stepanov transformer« (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y8zSMXMo2hs) seems to make somehow use of that coil-capacitor effect. Since each of the three single transformers normally consists of a primary coil, a secondary coil and a shared core, the number of possible connections are rather limited - and that should make things easier.

Another device that looks like a concentric capacitor is Turtur's »Zero Point Energy Rotor« (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IiC2IGLl90Q). The inner plate of that capacitor rotates by means of high voltage. Here, as it appears, we can see in real life what Harold Aspden describes as »rotary Aether motion«. The strength of that Aether rotation does even create torque on visible objects not only at quantum level particles.

Next the »Steven Marks Toroidal Power Unit« (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tPuhI03ZMR8). It is round in shape. Why? Because that round shape contains a concentric capacitor, which is stringently required to get energy from the Aether? That TPU reminds slightly on a flying saucer and the question Why are they round? (https://www.quora.com/Why-are-flying-saucers-round) It would be interesting by the way to know if the Kapanadze device - or even Testatika - reacts in the same intensive sparking way like the TPU when shorted. Then we can call this a free energy spark indeed.

Thesta Distatica or short Testatika (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=od79uhhVRIs). It works not with one but with six concentric capacitors. Albeit the question reads: are all those capacitors really essential or are some of them just there to have a few decorative elements? Anyhow, Aspden's figure 7 looks strangely like a diagram of the Testatika. Coincidences happen. More information about the Testatika (https://web.archive.org/web/20060923020026/http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Testatika) machine, which Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Testatika) won't let you know. At least the wrong schematic (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Testatika-Line.png) is still there (as yet).

Quote from Static on Moving Object Forms Magnetic Field (http://blog.modernmechanix.com/static-on-moving-object-forms-magnetic-field/):

»To the shaft of an electric motor, attach a disk of hard rubber, or an old phonograph record. Electrify the disk by rubbing it with a woolen cloth. Now start the motor. Place a small magnetic compass near the edge of the whirling disk, and the needle will be deflected, showing that it has been brought into a magnetic field.«

An electrostatic field is actually warped Aether. If strong enough it ionizes the air. Guntis calls this a »Dead Magnetic Field« (http://www.energeticforum.com/138373-post120.html). Assumed this static field (the ionization), instead of being moved mechanically, is set in rotary motion by itself within a capacitor (compare Aspden, Lecture No. 27) and then disturbed by the magnetic field created by electrons moving through a wire nearby. Then will that static (rotating) field also create (add) a magnetic field in that wire? Guntis names this process »activate these electrons« (http://www.energeticforum.com/99125-post184.html).

Kapanadze's Sadolin (paint) tin can setup (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r99g4mjEvTE). It is grounded (as one side of the load is) and an orange wire comes out of it connected to the load. The color of the correlating wire of the Testatika tin can is red (respectively blue). The same is true for the alleged replication (http://www.macmep.ru/testatika/testatika.htm) of the Testatika. Coincidence? Testatika generates static high voltage pulses to feed the round condensers (Leyden Jars) by means of a turning wheel (or two). Does Kapanadze generate these pulses without moving any mechanic parts just by applying alternating voltage? Also could it be that the round tin canister in itself is a concentric capacitor?

Below the photographs of two of Kapanadze's three-phase setups for comparison (blue coils (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_CRkDySQCSM), grey coils with capacitor bank (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KtadR0skY00)). The energy output of each device is supposed to be 100KW, accordingly the capacitors are rather large in contrast to the small tin can powering the 5KW device. Here the outer plate is a coil the inner plate is not visible. The load is connected to the coil and ground. And that gives me headaches. Because both, the load and the capacitor plate (tin can) are grounded, then where to connect the high voltage? Maybe to an additional third capacitor plate?

New on the (YouTube) market, D-1943 (https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC6HPLA_-06b1ZWj7foNDXCQ). As was expected, the website (http://innovatehno.eu/) presents no blueprints of D-1943 so far. The stated weight is about 95kgs. That's rather heavy compared with Kapanadze's 2004 setup. In a video the inner plates of the capacitors are visible. It is a metallic tube wrapped with wire. The result is a concentric capacitor. As it seems this device needs two of them, giving it a Testatika like look; coincidences happen. Also strange: There are two wires leading to each of the metallic tubes. So the conclusion could be that an inner metallic tube is placed within the outer metallic tube, what makes that a three-plate capacitor (the outermost plate is the coil). But what about that peculiar rotating wheel (http://innovatehno.eu/wp-content/uploads/2016/12/ipp74_inside.jpg)? Decoration only? Kapanadze devices do not need such a thing.

The Hendershot (http://fuel-efficient-vehicles.org/energy-news/?page_id=1166) Generator. The main components are two basket weave coils containing a capacitor. But »containing« does not mean simply placing a factory-made capacitor from Radio Shack inside the coil. It means each coil has to contain a concentric capacitor, so the coil itself is the outermost plate of the capacitor. Hence all replications (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wGZeLclOOwU&feature=youtu.be&t=1h4m56s) without that concentric coil-capacitor won't work or they are hoax. The drawing of the coil shows a concentric capacitor inside four coils. Therefore that design is actually a three-plate capacitor (compare with D-1943) and it works without transistors or diodes (compare with Testatika).

Daniel Mcfarland Cook (https://www.google.com/patents/US119825). This setup consists of no more than two cross-connected electric elements. Each element comprises a coil and one coil-capacitor in concentric arrangement. Thus these elements are two concentric three-plate capacitors and transformers in one. Sounds familiar (compare Stepanov transformer).

Nilson Barbosa and Cleriston De Moraes Leal. Actually I don't know what to make of this patent (http://www.google.com/patents/WO2013104042A1?cl=en). But again something sounds familiar in that patent specification: »[...] one electromagnetic field generating device [...] powered by a power source [...] having their core or extension of them, [...] wrapped by at least one common conductive member in a closed circuit on itself [...] biased with a [high?] voltage which is powered by induction by least one conductive element interconnection that is connected to a ground grid, [...] provoke, as a new technical effect, the appearance of an electric current which remains circulating in the conductor element in a closed circuit on itself [...]« So we have here a closed circuit and the appearance of an electric current in that closed circuit as novel effect (compare Mcfarland Cook). Just another odd coincidence? Furthermore Barbosa and Leal are well acquainted with three-phase systems.

The Searl Effect Generator. There are three metallic rings forming two concentric capacitors and the air between those rings gets ionized, as explained in this video Searl Effect Full Disclosure (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5d1GO7rqg6Q). Unfortunately that story is much too big for Wikipedia (https://web.archive.org/web/20100403064811/http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Searl_Effect_Generator) so they made the decision to censor (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Searl_Effect_Generator) it.

The Hubbard Coil. One inner coil surrounded by eight outer coils, connected to high voltage via a step-up transformer. Thus the coils are forming a concentric capacitor, whereas the high voltage takes care of the ionization between those coils. »It takes the power from air (https://blogs.sos.wa.gov/library/index.php/2012/12/too-good-to-be-true-the-hubbard-coil/) and turns out an electric current.« Of course »He declined to go into detail in regard to the exact manner in which he managed to extract power from radium« because this is nonsense, but apparently more believable at that time than electricity out of thin air.

The device of T. H. Moray. Is this device just a black box (http://thehouseofmoray.org/) or do we perhaps find a touch of enlightenment (https://web.archive.org/web/20160604030152/http://www.kennsplace.com/re.html) nearby? On an old photograph we see two cylinders reminiscent of metallic tubes wrapped with wire, which makes them two concentric capacitors along with a coil to the right. Startling enough it fits Harold Aspden's figure 7 precisely. The output power rating is said to be hundred watts.

The unexplained Lithuania yoke device. It also makes use of a concentric capacitor, but surprisingly only half of such, as demonstrated here Working OU device Video from Wesley (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mw4zyvuZgVU&feature=youtu.be&t=23m39s), along with some Quotes:

stivep (http://overunity.com/7679/selfrunning-free-energy-devices-up-to-5-kw-from-tariel-kapanadze/msg306398/#msg306398)
                »again the strength of the field was tremendous«

cosmoLV (http://overunity.com/7679/selfrunning-free-energy-devices-up-to-5-kw-from-tariel-kapanadze/msg312806/#msg312806)
                »if you once get this magnetic field - you will be amazed«
                »I'm sure that you will not post schematics!«

stivep (http://overunity.com/7679/selfrunning-free-energy-devices-up-to-5-kw-from-tariel-kapanadze/msg306411/#msg306411)
                »-pain in the part of the head. Felt similar to mechanical impact.«
                »-Pain felt as skin affected when you move your head rapidly.«

So that implies - in terms of physics - that something extraordinary was going on, not written in the textbooks and it could be venturesome to post schematics. Anyhow, a magnetic field created by just a few watts input that can injure your head is surely a good reason to be amazed.

Also the webmaster hosting the files of the yoke device was apparently most amazed, so he deleted the tutorial files quickly between January 2012 (http://web.archive.org/web/20120111160459/http://freeenergylt.narod2.ru/aidas/) and March 2012 (http://web.archive.org/web/20120312185308/http://freeenergylt.narod2.ru/aidas/), keeping only the Lithuania Experiment (http://freeenergylt.narod.ru/index/0-17) without any sign of the yoke device and its existence.

As specified in that how-to guide the yoke device is powered by two generators G1 and G2, synchronized with each other. One frequency is 50Hz. Now coincidentally the Stepanov transformer setup comprises a frequency doubler circuit, thus it runs also on two frequencies, 50Hz and 100Hz phase-locked (synchronized).

Stepanov's secret frequency doubler. As with the yoke device, which runs on two different frequencies, obviously the Stepanov transformer also needs two input frequencies. Otherwise the frequency doubler circuit (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VG1RhxmrpcM) briefly visible (https://youtu.be/O3O2JahD67o?t=9m46s) under the cardboard box would make no sense. It consists of a diode bridge, a capacitor (two connected together) and a barely visible power resistor. A diode bridge and a capacitor is also part of Kapanadze's tin can device. There is also a diode bridge attached to Kapanadze's hydraulic generator (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qUlLDQkqreA). Hence, do the Kapanadze and Stepanov devices absolutely need DC in order to work, although AC goes in and AC comes out? But if it would turn out that no frequency doubler (or some other higher frequency above 50Hz) is required, even better.

The mystery of Tesla's Aether powered car (see attachment (http://overunity.com/17036/the-concentric-capacitor-key-to-the-kapanadze-device-and-similar-fe-concepts/dlattach/attach/161625/)). Mystery number one: It is said, an antenna rod of 6 feet length was fitted to Tesla's Pierce-Arrow sedan. What for? It would be weird at the very least, if Kapanadze can run his device without an antenna, but the master of electricity, Tesla, needed one. Mystery number two: No mention of any round shaped object (resembling a capacitor) not belonging to the car, except the 80-hp electric motor perhaps, which replaced the combustion engine. So was Tesla's electric car a hoax? Hard to believe in light of the fact that in the following decades after Tesla's test drive one electric free energy device after the other popped up at someplace - although each time without a detailed construction manual, unfortunately.

My sparking test: By connecting four small 50Hz transformers together and to 220V/50Hz via a frequency doubler, the same tiny bluish spark like Kapanadze's one can be produced. Therefore, neither a TV's flyback transformer, nor a bulky microwave oven transformer, nor high-tech semiconductors are required for that. Further, if there is no electronics, there is also no need for a DC power supply, meaning the diode bridge and the capacitor are most likely working as a frequency doubler circuit as previously already suspected. Of course I don't think that a spark is required at all to get amounts of energy from the Aether. The same is true for a classic Tesla coil.

+++ DRAWING CONCLUSIONS +++

Substantiated by scientific papers the concentric capacitor seems to be the key for receiving energy from space (the Aether). All above mentioned (free) energy-from-Aether devices are comprising at least one concentric shaped component which can act as a capacitor (except Tesla's car, but attributed to a lack of information). Certainly this could all be by accident - if we disregard any plausibility. Thus, having reached that state of knowledge, the question is no longer if there exists a so far unknown physical phenomena, but how it could be practically applied. And as a consequence the writing of Victor Grig »Principle of work of Tariel Kapanadze's device« (http://fplgenerator.free.fr/FE/kapanadze.pdf) also turns out to be just based on wild speculations instead of facts, for the reason there is no mention of any special designed concentric components in that account.

So, what do we need? »There are 3 things« (http://www.energeticforum.com/99159-post189.html) required in order to get energy from the Aether. Let's see, what that could be. First thing, a (three-plate) concentric capacitor. Second thing, high voltage for ionization. Third thing, two resonant frequencies. Granted, all these three things are still tagged with the adverbs »probably« and »presumably«.

Do we require a so called parametric excitation (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mechanical_amplifier#Parametric_resonators)? Maybe, maybe not. »The first order or the principal parametric resonance is achieved when the driving/excitation frequency is twice the natural frequency of a given system.« The natural frequency of the Kapanadze and Stepanov devices is 50Hz, hence a frequency doubler circuit would provide the (phase-locked) excitation frequency of 100Hz. But exciting an electric circuit parametrically will not result in any energy gain if the circuit does not comprise a component that can tap into an existing energy source, which in this case - according to all we know as yet - should be the Aether.

Maybe my assumptions are still wrong in part, but at least I think I'm close, very close.

(to be continued)
Title: The Concentric Capacitor - Key to the Kapanadze Device and similar FE Concepts?
Post by: Zeitmaschine on December 16, 2016, 10:45:41 AM
More attachments.

Slightly off-topic, the Lüling permanent magnet motor (similar to the Perendev motor principle (https://patentscope.wipo.int/search/docservicepdf_pct/id00000002675934/PAMPH/WO2006045333.pdf?download), similar to the Ylidiz motor principle (https://patentscope.wipo.int/search/docservicepdf_pct/id00000007756277/PAMPH/WO2009019001.pdf?download)), presented in the UFA-Wochenschau 498/1966 (https://www.filmothek.bundesarchiv.de/video/584688?set_lang=en&start=00%3A01%3A52.02&end=00%3A03%3A42.14) (click the play-icon next to 'Cut 1'), vanished since then. Because magnetism is also a property of the Aether, it is reasonable to assume that a permanent magnet motor has to tap into that source of energy as well, although the method is different. The method is to shield (neutralize) the magnets properly, so the magnetic field remains in a constant state of imbalance. However, that creation of imbalance in the surrounding Aether should also be the basic principle of Aether powered electric free energy devices.

And since this is all about warping the Aether but not the pages of this forum due to oversize images (greater than 800px width), the solution to that is a Firefox plugin called Stylish (https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/stylish/). Just in case we copy the following lines into that plugin:

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Title: Re: The Concentric Capacitor - Key to the Kapanadze Device and similar FE Concepts?
Post by: shylo on December 16, 2016, 11:16:04 AM
Hi Zeitmachine,

You said,

"The method is to shield (neutralize) the magnets properly, so the magnetic field remains in a constant state of imbalance.

I think it is more that the magnetic field has to be placed properly in the right location , I don't think you can cancel the field without costing alot more in than what you get out.
In my rotor when the fields were active one after another they were fighting each other.
Now they activate 120 deg. apart and it works much better now.
But I'm dealing with 12 coils.
Just my opinion.
artv
Title: Re: The Concentric Capacitor - Key to the Kapanadze Device and similar FE Concepts?
Post by: Zeitmaschine on December 16, 2016, 02:10:24 PM
Maybe studying the permanent magnet motor patents could help finding the best positions for the magnets.

Here a little supplement, because above there was not enough room for more attachments. :(

Alexander V. Frolov: The Work that is Created by Means of Potential Field (http://overunity.com/13721/energy-from-the-ground-self-powered-generator-by-barbosa-and-leal/dlattach/attach/145171/)

According to Frolov, the DC ammeter does not measure an increase of current (rather a decrease) when the incandescent light bulb is lit by the current going through the spark gap. This confirms the theory (see at the beginning) that a capacitor can provide additional energy - coming from the Aether - when discharged rapidly. And I think Frolov's explanation (pinch-effect, additional kinetic energy) is therefore inaccurate.
Title: Re: The Concentric Capacitor - Key to the Kapanadze Device and similar FE Concepts?
Post by: jbignes5 on December 16, 2016, 06:15:08 PM
 
 So The capacitor was the focus. We know this due to Tesla's disruptive discharge circuits.

 The thing that got Tesla was the Caps could not take the abuse of the disruption or quick dumping of it's capacity. This is what lead him to the coil/cap discovery. The Bifilar coil includes the capacity in it's design. It was used after the transformer as an extra coil. But the coil also was a Capacitor that could handle extreme Dumps of the capacitance and it would radiate better due to the reduction of reluctance that a natural inductance shows. The only thing with bifilars is they don't have self induction and tend to speed up impulses fed into either end. In essence a special transformer can be made with a bifilar primary wrapped with a solenoid secondary. As the impulse fills the capacitance of the bifilar coil it can induce all of the direction of the bifilar coil is moving in. The impulse fills the capacity then rebounds back out of the coil back to the origination of the impulse. This has an effect on the solenoid that changes polarity depending on the direction the capacitor is getting charged or dumping charge and is a normal form of AC.
 Once you know that the spark gap is the entrance to energy it makes all sense. The gap when discharging is full of plasma and that plasma is highly conductive. It can draw in energy trough that gap rhythmically. Timing the system to open the lock and then allow it to suck in energy is the way to go here.
 
Capacitors as an entity are useless in these kinds of systems for two reasons. Cost of maintenance and life cycle limits.

 What was in the Can was an oil filled transformer with the capacitance built right in. The oil increases the capacitance breakdown level and Tesla used it to exclude air from the transformer to allow a higher ability to do work without breaking down the air and so did TK.

  reference: http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/tesla/coloradonotes/coloradonotes04.htm (http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/tesla/coloradonotes/coloradonotes04.htm)

 Picture 1: Is the system in two flavors. Closed and open. Normal and single terminal mode.
                  One side note is that the orientation must be kept between the secondary and the extra coils. They must not be effected by the secondaries magnetic production.
                  One other note is the inclusion of a ground wire inside of the transformer in figure one of the first picture. Look familiar?

 Picture 2: Is what he first tried using normal caps. Saltwater bath as one plate and milk bottles filled with salt water as the other terminal. He kept breaking the bottles while using the system.

 Picture 3: Is the bifilar coil with included capacitance and near zero self induction that he recommends using as the extra coil and end capacitance or top load.
                 Side note: Oil bath for the bifilar coils results in better efficiency and less chance of a break down in the coil of the capacitance.

 Further reference to oil baths and transformers in oil and the reasoning for it here: http://www.tfcbooks.com/tesla/1892-02-03.htm
Title: Re: The Concentric Capacitor - Key to the Kapanadze Device and similar FE Concepts?
Post by: jbignes5 on December 16, 2016, 07:17:36 PM
 
 Lets look at this in detail:

 The feeding mechanism is left out but it includes other discoveries by Tesla. Like the disruptive discharge circuit which in this case would go to the left of the transformer. Some other discoveries like making the primary a bifilar coil also are nopt included in this.

 If we look at the sequence below we can see how this operates in this section of the device. Adding appropriate virtual grounds like the body of a car and antenna is another addition that can be used. In tk's version he used two ground points like Tesla instructed at figure 4 bottom right.

 If we understand that the Earth has a capacity then we see how each point in that diagram depicts access to a capacitance and how to simulate it via the bifilar methods by replacing the capacitance with an open ended bifilar coil..

 In the case of adding a ground to the center of the transformer core, well it makes sense because the amount of current you can increase by the capacitance of the earth makes the secondary have increased access to current from the ground. This is a charge pump in essence that uses great capacity to move energy out from the earth into our system and then allow it to refill from the atmosphere naturally. Like pumping oil from the ground so to speak. In this case we want an AC component to eventually flow out of this system so current must go both ways into and out of the ground.

 So, what if we replace the capacitances on each end with the capacitances of the bifilar coils and connect each free terminal to a virtual ground like the antenna and body of a car? Wouldn't the current flow anyways like both ends were connected ? Wouldn't that flow also draw in more plasma and raise the density between the free ends of the extra coils.
Title: Re: The Concentric Capacitor - Key to the Kapanadze Device and similar FE Concepts?
Post by: Zeitmaschine on December 16, 2016, 10:45:23 PM
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The gap when discharging is full of plasma and that plasma is highly conductive. It can draw in energy trough that gap rhythmically. Timing the system to open the lock and then allow it to suck in energy is the way to go here.

A spark gap is a fast switch and at the same time a low-ohm load because it dissipates light, heat, sound and radio waves. Therefore it can draw energy from the Aether in two ways: a) it shorts the capacitor consisting of the two spark gap electrodes (self-shorting) so the warped Aether between the electrodes powers the spark (but we are unable to make much use of that energy), b) it shorts an external capacitor at lightning speed trough a load (see Frolov) so the warped Aether between the plates of that large capacitor can power the load for free.

But this is only true if a common factory-made capacitor is used. When using a concentric capacitor there is no need for a spark gap. Here we can draw the additional energy coming from the Aether by induction with the help of resonant frequencies. That's the theory so far.

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What was in the Can was an oil filled transformer with the capacitance built right in.

You could show me the location of the oil filled transformer that powers the Steven Marks TPU. Also the capacitors (cans) of the Testatika are rather unsuitable to be filled with oil. The Hendershot device shows no sign of any oil-filled parts as well.

Therefore I think we should experimenting without oil for the time being.
Title: Re: The Concentric Capacitor - Key to the Kapanadze Device and similar FE Concepts?
Post by: jbignes5 on December 17, 2016, 01:29:45 AM
 Thats because those other inventors tried to do the same thing but in a different way so they could patent them. The real thing is the device TK used and the very device that Tesla has shown us.. In almost all of TK's videos he has a box or can that has the oil submerged capacitor/transformer in.

 The back yard video, the in the house showing the investors demonstration and the Turkey display which should have the pedestals as the oil container.

 There is a lot of flim flam in those videos to hide the real device but TK chose to hide it like in the aquarium version. Why he did was to get some cash out of it like Stivep reported. In fact I was approached by someone who wanted me to be the middle man in a transaction to getting the legit method but I turned it down. It isn't for sale because Tesla has given it to us for free.

 Tesla's version is the best way to get energy via the pumping method. Either in a single terminal or dual terminal mode. Single terminal mode needs the ground so just understand that. The Dual terminal mode should be able to work without the ground via a virtual ground loop.

 Let me ask you a question. Do we create plasma or does it exist all around us?

 I am of the opinion that Tesla knew it was all around us and it gets attracted to the gap via the stress between the two electrodes or if it is high enough via a one terminal. We don't create energy but we can attract the carrier of it in great densities. Thats what a Spark gap does. It attracts plasma to the gap via the steep voltage differential of the electrodes. It flows to the potentials like water flows down hill, except in a 3d way instead of 2d surface that water flows on. Plasma is not created and it is not a state of matter. It is simply plasma and matter divides and draws energy from the plasma. Plasma is everywhere only in differing densities and environmental potentials.

 A coronal discharge is the plasma moving and being energized by the high potential terminal. Even if that terminal has only one terminal. Hence why the beautiful brushes form even on that single terminal. A magnetic field is just such a thing as well. It is plasma attracted and locked into matter in the case of a magnet. The field being locked into the matter as it phase changes. Most likely raised in density, which packs it between the matters atoms and forms the flows outside of that magnet by the increased density of plasma around the magnet as it is formed. Like filling a balloon and tying it off to enjoy the whole day.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corona_discharge#/media/File:Plasma_wheel_2_med_DSIR2018.jpg
 The plasma is not emitted but attracted to the tips of this wheel. It is then revealed by intensification of the plasma as it approaches the tips via condensing of the density of the plasma. This of course allows the plasma to conduct better and it gets more intense as it heads twords the tips.

 So back to the gap. When the plasma condenses and conducts the gap space it can and will draw in energy that was carried by the plasma moving twords the gap as it condenses. Each impulse drawing more energy from the collected plasma of each impulse. Each firing of the gap draws in new plasma and new energy. Thats how come the disruptive discharge circuit works so well. It doesn't rely on the capacity so to speak. It does use it but the energy doesn't come from the Caps. It comes into the system when the spark gap breaks down. Thats where all of the effects you mentioned come from. It's not the cap but the gap that is important. A gap doesn't dissipate anything. It radiates after the discharge ends. That is the plasma going back out into the environment in a broadband emission way, sorta like thw way an E.M.P. works.

 Well this is a far as I have gotten so far until I can start my own work on this area.. I'm still working on something else on the bench atm.

 Reference for plasma being around a magnet by intensifying the plasma and showing the magnetic structure:   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2B-lKgcQJvg (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2B-lKgcQJvg)

 This addendum to my take on this comes from further research into Tesla's experiments. I try to reference to the exact material as I do. Listen I don't know for sure about all of this but I am 85% sure it is correct based on researching Tesla's papers and experiments. TK did nothing more then duplicate the experiments that Tesla was doing. Nothing more and nothing less. Tk tried to hide the source but in his videos he let slip that it was all from Tesla's experiments. In fact in one video it shows the documentation he used for the devices he presented over the years. This stuff works you just need to research Tesla's work and put it all together for yourself. I have shown a good amount of references for you guys to use in your quest to find OU. Well energy that we don't have to supply a fuel for. It is more then possible, it is fact done by the master of Electrical events, Tesla.

 Read and learn then read some more and look at it from way back to see the whole picture and how one experiment led to the other. How it fits in the grand scheme of it all...
Title: Re: The Concentric Capacitor - Key to the Kapanadze Device and similar FE Concepts?
Post by: Cherryman on December 17, 2016, 12:46:16 PM
In my humble opinion you can also add the inventions of Otis C . Carr to this list.


 
Title: Re: The Concentric Capacitor - Key to the Kapanadze Device and similar FE Concepts?
Post by: Zeitmaschine on December 17, 2016, 02:20:05 PM
Otis T. Carr's Amusement Device (http://www.freepatentsonline.com/2912244.pdf), don't know if this is something real working or for amusement only. For example: »Each simulated electro-magnet 86 may be formed in horse shoe shape out of any suitable sheet material, and is provided with tubing or the like 88 around a portion thereof to simulate the winding of an electro-magnet. I further prefer to secure a plurality of plates 90 in spaced relation around the upper face of the rotating assembly 14 to simulate capacitor plates in a space craft.«

The count of the word »simulate« in that patent is rather high.

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Thats because those other inventors tried to do the same thing but in a different way so they could patent them.

You contradicting yourself. Kapanadze also patented his device, purportedly filled with oil. But if a device of other inventors works best without oil then why bother filling up something with oil?

Back to the spark gap. A capacitor under high voltage is basically the same like a spark gap under high voltage. The difference is, the (concentric) capacitor does normally not spark, so we can draw energy from the warped Aether between its plates by appropriate means, whereas the spark gap draws energy from the warped Aether between its plates (electrodes) by self-sort-circuiting when the breakdown voltage of the surrounding air is exceeded, producing a spark that wastes the energy coming from the Aether.

Thus, a spark gap is a nice thing to play around with while doing experiments, but the real energy collector is the capacitor.

And interesting in itself, so far no one else commented here on the concentric capacitor theme. Neither thumbs-up nor thumbs-down. I would guess why ...
Title: Re: The Concentric Capacitor - Key to the Kapanadze Device and similar FE Concepts?
Post by: Cherryman on December 17, 2016, 02:48:32 PM
Otis T. Carr's Amusement Device (http://www.freepatentsonline.com/2912244.pdf), don't know if this is something real working or for amusement only. For example: »Each simulated electro-magnet 86 may be formed in horse shoe shape out of any suitable sheet material, and is provided with tubing or the like 88 around a portion thereof to simulate the winding of an electro-magnet. I further prefer to secure a plurality of plates 90 in spaced relation around the upper face of the rotating assembly 14 to simulate capacitor plates in a space craft.«
...


That patent is more about the "flying operations ", less about the operating principle of the engine/energy.




In his own words:


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Mel Shironey : 0:31:59 What charges this battery?


Otis T. Carr : 0:32:01 This starts out... electrochemically... the same as other batteries. But we do have a regenerating system... that is very unique. We are able here... for the first time... to our knowledge... to use... atmospheric electricity... as a recharging system. This is done... as a part of the operational principal of the craft. Now it's capacitor plates...


Mel Shironey : 0:32:22 Wait a minute... just a minute. You say you use... atmospheric... as... electricity?
Otis T. Carr : 0:32:27 That's right.


Mel Shironey : 0:32:28 What happens... when you leave the atmosphere... and there isn't any atmosphere?
Otis T. Carr : 0:32:33 We have the electrochemical system... then to provide us with all the energy that we need. And have a regenerating system... in the manner of a regenerative coil... that a... recharge this battery... in the same manner... in which... your storage battery in your automobile is recharged now by a generator.


Mel Shironey : 0:32:53 If I understand the implications of what you're saying... it would appear to me... and I must confess... almost complete ignorance in this field. That what you have done... is... made the first... perpetual motion machine.


Otis T. Carr : 0:33:08 There is nothing... perpetual about our machine. The energies which cause it to operate are perpetual. You cannot destroy matter... you cannot destroy energy. Molecular flow... is perpetual and has been proven. In the laboratory they have proven that... electricity itself is immortal. When we take away resistance... you can set up a spark of electricity... and it will continue to operate... a... therefore... we have perpetual... energy. No machine that we can conceive of made by man would be perpetual... but with... it is... free energy. It is... self energizing. And as long... as all parts function... and... do not wear out... this is truly... a... self energizing machine.


Title: Re: The Concentric Capacitor - Key to the Kapanadze Device and similar FE Concepts?
Post by: jbignes5 on December 17, 2016, 06:16:10 PM
Otis T. Carr's Amusement Device (http://www.freepatentsonline.com/2912244.pdf), don't know if this is something real working or for amusement only. For example: »Each simulated electro-magnet 86 may be formed in horse shoe shape out of any suitable sheet material, and is provided with tubing or the like 88 around a portion thereof to simulate the winding of an electro-magnet. I further prefer to secure a plurality of plates 90 in spaced relation around the upper face of the rotating assembly 14 to simulate capacitor plates in a space craft.«

The count of the word »simulate« in that patent is rather high.

You contradicting yourself. Kapanadze also patented his device, purportedly filled with oil. But if a device of other inventors works best without oil then why bother filling up something with oil?

Back to the spark gap. A capacitor under high voltage is basically the same like a spark gap under high voltage. The difference is, the (concentric) capacitor does normally not spark, so we can draw energy from the warped Aether between its plates by appropriate means, whereas the spark gap draws energy from the warped Aether between its plates (electrodes) by self-sort-circuiting when the breakdown voltage of the surrounding air is exceeded, producing a spark that wastes the energy coming from the Aether.

Thus, a spark gap is a nice thing to play around with while doing experiments, but the real energy collector is the capacitor.

And interesting in itself, so far no one else commented here on the concentric capacitor theme. Neither thumbs-up nor thumbs-down. I would guess why ...

 Those ideas don't work best. They emit dangerous by products. Didn't the yoke experiment teach you anything?

 The reason I suggest using oil is because it reduces the shorts due to sparking. The best way to get rid of failures in the wire is to use the oil bath. It is the exact thing they use in pole transformers, except that is very toxic in that example. Mineral oil can be used without toxic byproducts. Also having a coil exposed to the air allows for Corona discharge which is a waste of energy in any system. Plus the oil will secure the maximum output that a coil will be able to handle. This is already well known and used today for line transformers in our current system.

 A capacitor is nothing like a spark gap. It has a dielectric in between the plates that stops shorting or arcing. We don't want to stop the arc since it is the pivotal point where energy gets injected into the system. When you try to replace the gap things get dangerous because of the wave form that results is RF. Huge RF fields are very dangerous to humans because the waveform swings both sides of the zero line. Take a wire of solder and stretch it between something. Now grab it in the middle and swing it up and down across the solders plane. After a few seconds the solder snaps. Now do the same and only swing the solder in one direction from the plane and it will hold. A nice little analogy.

 A spark gap is not a play thing it is the pivotal device that allows this system to work. The capacitor is not the pivotal device that allows this system to work. It is one of many but not the source of power. You could liken this to the cylinder of a car engine. It isn't the source of the energy that ignites the fuel, it is merely a part of the device. What facilitates the fuel to burn and release it's bound plasma is the Spark.

 Aether is nothing more then plasma. It is everywhere and in everything to a degree. The degree or density of the plasma dictates the energy within the matter. Destroy the matter and it will release it's bound Aether and emit energy as the plasma expands back to it's local environmental constant.

 Also You mentioned the breakdown of air. What does that mean to you?

 To me it isn't the air that breaks down. It is the plasma that condenses across the gap via the potential gradient between those two electrodes. That concept of air breaking down comes from the matter scientists who believe that matter contains energy and thats where energy comes from. Well it doesn't.. The plasma is the source of matters access to energy and yes matter can contain energy but only in the sense that it has bound plasma streams in between the atoms. When you disrupt the matter it releases the bound plasma stream and they explode outwards relaxing to their normal form in the environment they reside in. If the mean density of the plasma streams in the environment is at 2 volts per centimeter then what happens when you compress those streams in between the atoms of matter? They raise in potential due to z-pinch rules, plasma scientists have already proven this. It is this pinching rule that gives matter its potential and energy and nothing else.

 You speak of the spark gap drawing it's energy from the warped Aether between the plates(Electrodes). Isn't plasma conductive? Isn't plasma everywhere? The spark isn't a waste it is a fraction of a second where it has an increased connection to the Universe filled with plasma in condensed form. Again what happens when you pinch a plasma stream? Look up z-pinch... Once you know these additional observations things change.

 I hope this helps a bit.

 Also I mentioned plasma streams. Where do they come from and where are they going? Well plasma streams are Earth-centric and come from the Sun in the form of the solar wind. Charged particles of hydrogen and Helium stream off of the Sun radially and after the sun packs the in between area with plasma the streams emit out of the Sun.
 
 Why would the streams want to go towards the Earth.. Well matter displaces the Plasma to a degree. This causes a vacuum to the plasma and draws it into the apex of the Earths interior and deposit most of their energy and exit out at the poles forming the polar magnetism we see and the Earth magnetic field is formed from condensed plasma around our planet. The layers we see in our atmosphere are a direct result of transitions of plasma density(also called double layers) and is the reason why there is a voltage gradient from ground to ionosphere. The density dictating the voltage level from one point to the next going towards the Earth. This is because the streams are getting pinched as they get closer to the ground via matter displacement and matter feeding off of the energy being conveyed and gained in the pinching process. The closer to the ground you get the more matter there is and the less the plasma can conduct. This doesn't stop at the Earths crust either. It continues as it goes towards the central point also going into the negative potion of potential. This is the reason the interior is molten. The closer the streams come the more they have to transfer the same amount of energy through a smaller tube of the streams, as an example refer back to the picture of the electric wheel I have shown. This might include stream loss which is converted to heat and other effects we see..

 The one thing I am still working on is the surface debacle of 0 volts. It might be due to the process being a bit different then I suggest. The atmosphere process is the same but at the surface junction there is a mirror effect and the poles go inward and out at the surface to meet the other polarity of plasma. It is accepted  that inside of the planet the potential should be -365k volts with the surface being a double layer of 0 volts and the ionosphere being at +365k volts. The surface is the zero line and fits the idea perfectly. The planet is a 3 plate capacitor for all intent and purpose. And the flows that happen between each plate dictate many natural phenomena we see today. From Eruptions of volcanoes to storms on the surface. That is probably the best example I can give. But it isn't the Earth that drives the system. Plasma does. Without it nothing could know that anything else existed out side of it's body. Plasma is the reason for induction as well or the ability for a cap to present a voltage difference to each plate across a distance, it is also respnsible for all magnetic interactions, this is why we can simulate a magnetic field without a magnet. In a cap it is closed and not open in most cases. But a spark gap is open to it's environment and open to receiving energy from the Universe after the discharge initiates. Once that happens energy streams in to the short as it is collapsing following the direction of the short usually towards a ground or virtual ground.
Title: Re: The Concentric Capacitor - Key to the Kapanadze Device and similar FE Concepts?
Post by: Reiyuki on December 17, 2016, 07:17:21 PM
Thanks for that first post, Zeitmaschine :) :) :) .  It's packed full of so much useful material.  I'm afraid to comment on it as a whole as there is at least a semester worth of study in there.


So many things start making sense when realize capacitors aren't just a component sitting on your circuit board, but are all over the place, anywhere there exists a difference in potentials.

When bifilar or in opposed coil is wound, it becomes a 'capacitor-coil' that has both inductive and dielectric properties, becoming susceptible to both magnetic and dielectric impulses.

If I understand correctly, the operating principle closely resembles the compression/expansion cycle of a regular combustion engine.  Magnetic energy is compressed between opposed fields then hit with a dielectric impulse (ironically also a spark) that causes it to briefly expand outward into a load plate/coil/core. 8)


thanks  ;D
Title: Re: The Concentric Capacitor - Key to the Kapanadze Device and similar FE Concepts?
Post by: jbignes5 on December 17, 2016, 07:50:15 PM
 
 The reason Tesla decided to get rid of the capacitors is that they are expensive and add additional components and maintenance to a system he wanted to make easier to use. You turn it on and walla it works every time. Very little maintenance would be used.

 But if we look at the design of the bifilar coil we can see additional bonuses that Tesla was using.

 In using an oscillator the idea is to have undamped oscillations. Using a regular solenoid wouldn't work for that because of the self induction of said coil. With the bifilar method the other strand of wire is interposed between the wraps which isolate the winding from itself. This not only incorporates a capacitance but also gets rid of the dampening self inductance. This is why he called them Extra coils. They don't work like regular coils with the self induction. An impulse can pass through the coil as if it had zero self induction, this means the impulse does not hamper itself. In fact the capacitance in this type of coil accelerates the impulses and reflects them back to the originating source if used in single terminal mode. In the case of the pictures I provided above the only coil to cause a dampening would be the secondary with both ends of the dual terminal system acting like accelerator reflectors. A way to increase the effect would be to put a large terminal on each end to facilitate the system to hold the potential as a virtual ground or Zero point to the capacitance of the bifilar coil.

 This is one of my planned experiments. This is a guide and not a working system as yet..

 Lets take this step by step.

 The spark happens when the plasma has condensed enough to make the passage of the current possible. It seeks the ground state going through the second transformer and induces to the secondary a huge magnet movement.

 After the spark has ceased the Secondary responds to the lack of activity by rebounding in the normal manner that solenoids do. This creates a sudo AC sign wave out of the Secondary. Each spark generates two movements in the secondary. An alternating current forms and rushes through the bifilar coils without self induction losses. The solenoid secondaries of the bifilar coils respond and generate a real AC movement in the solenoids induced from the bifilars without affecting the bifilars that much.

 There are many experiments to do with this system I drew up from Tesla's designs. Only experimentation will figure this out. Right now I don't have the time to do such as I am busy with another experiment that is on my bench. Eventually I'll get to it but if someone has the inkling then go ahead and try it..
Title: Re: The Concentric Capacitor - Key to the Kapanadze Device and similar FE Concepts?
Post by: Grumage on December 17, 2016, 07:54:34 PM
Dear Zeitmaschine.

Many thanks for starting such an interesting topic.

I was drawn to a file that you posted a long time ago.

There's quite a few electronics guys posting these days, I wonder if someone might like to pick up the gauntlet?

Cheers Graham.
Title: Re: The Concentric Capacitor - Key to the Kapanadze Device and similar FE Concepts?
Post by: Zeitmaschine on December 17, 2016, 09:35:04 PM
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Mel Shironey : 0:32:28 What happens... when you leave the atmosphere... and there isn't any atmosphere?
Otis T. Carr : 0:32:33 We have the electrochemical system... then to provide us with all the energy that we need.

Then this principle can't be based on Aether energy drawn from a capacitor. Aether does not need an atmosphere, it is also present in a vacuum. But maybe Carr himself had no idea, how his own device really worked. Did he test it outside the atmosphere?

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Those ideas don't work best. They emit dangerous by products. Didn't the yoke experiment teach you anything?

What gave you that idea?? Except for the yoke device there are no reports of any dangerous side effects created by any of all those devices. So it taught me not to use ferrite between two capacitor plates.

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Also You mentioned the breakdown of air. What does that mean to you?

To me it isn't the air that breaks down. It is the plasma that condenses across the gap via the potential gradient between those two electrodes.

The air itself turns to plasma and becomes conductive. The air is the load that burns (wastes) the energy coming from the warped Aether between the electrodes of the spark gap.

»It is impossible for a visible spark to form in a vacuum.« (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spark_gap)

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I was drawn to a file that you posted a long time ago.

Original can be found here: Validation 1 v0.4 (http://earthionenergy.forumakers.com/t5-5x-more-current-out-than-in-validation-of-proof-of-concept)

It's unclear what that capacitor C4/C5 actually does, but ... it is round and has three plates. The casing of that capacitor and the actual capacitor inside forms a concentric capacitor. So the claimed energy gain could be due to this capacitor or due to the antenna or due to a combination of both. Maybe the scope shots can shed light on this.

Principle of work according to the Aspden paper - as I do comprehend it:

a) Space is not empty, it is filled with Aether.
b) That Aether performs a constant jitter motion due to the so called zero point energy.
c) An electric field between the plates of a capacitor warps (displaces) that Aether.
d) Actually that Aether is the location of the energy stored in a charged capacitor.
e) Due to the jitter motion, the Aether starts to move linearly along the capacitor plates.
f ) If the capacitor is discharged slowly the linear motion stops slowly.
g) But if the discharge occurs abruptly then the linear motion does not stop immediately but after a delay, so that ongoing linear motion of the Aether between the plates acts like an additional (free) charge.
h) This effect of the inert Aether motion can be maximized by means of concentric capacitor plates.
Title: Re: The Concentric Capacitor - Key to the Kapanadze Device and similar FE Concepts?
Post by: jbignes5 on December 17, 2016, 09:38:11 PM
 The three plate cap was a captret..
 The captret is a feedback mechanism that does not effect the energy moving between the plates. I know a huge amount of what the Captret was and is due to my work with Ibpointless2 on the method to use an electrolytic cap in the method specified.

 Is this the reason you are saying it is a concentric capacitor?
 Because that is this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2jLP1HfRFRY
 The proof that I worked on that is here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S384oIXJz0c

 Just for you to understand a capacitor and some of the action happening inside of the cap so to speak..

 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JT4UVsfZkwg
 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XSXKk_A3xUM

 With this explanation, it should clear up the smoke.

 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OymoHX-8pLM

 As well the air does not turn into plasma. Plasma is there in between all matter. It is what matter floats in like particles in water. The particles are still particles and they don't turn to water, do they?

 A a side note to the Captret: The forces that get put on the rolled plates inside of the cap are additive. The rolled plates push themselves sideways twords the caps body. this can and will destroy a cheap electrolytic cap over time. It will look like the cap is gassing off but it is the creeping of the plates towards the can that causes the problem. Current designs for the electrolytic can not handle this side ways creep and will push the rubber plug out of the end of the can. This plug is designed to allow gassing if the cap is overcharged without blowing up in your face. Due to the design limitation the captret wont last forever and hence the utility is limited.. If the electrolytic design changes then we might see the utility raise to a point where we can use the device. Until then you are left with designing and using a custom electrolytic to use as that device.

 As for the comment of a spark in a vacuum.. Care to explain this?

 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2B-lKgcQJvg

 The plasma isn't displaced by the particles of air and soo look like the beam coming down from above. I'm sure if that electrode was exposed to air that it would look like this:

 http://images.dpchallenge.com/images_challenge/0-999/148/1200/Copyrighted_Image_Reuse_Prohibited_42109.jpg

 Due to the particles being absent from the inside of the vacuum chamber it spreads out like shown in the above video.
Title: Re: The Concentric Capacitor - Key to the Kapanadze Device and similar FE Concepts?
Post by: Zeitmaschine on December 18, 2016, 12:35:35 AM
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The captret is a feedback mechanism that does not effect the energy moving between the plates.

Says who? Aspden states otherwise - if connected properly.

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Just for you to understand a capacitor and some of the action happening inside of the cap so to speak..

Since the first heading of post one in this thread reads »IDENTIFYING A NOVEL PHYSICAL PRINCIPLE«, what makes you think that a textbook video not even mention the term »Aether« will help identifying that novel physical principle? Those videos talk about electric fields but actually they do not know what they are, just that those fields are somehow can be created mystically (by means of a capacitor).

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As well the air does not turn into plasma.

Then Wikipedia and other sources are wrong on this and we can draw sparks in a vacuum??

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As for the comment of a spark in a vacuum.. Care to explain this?

Yes, I would care. It is not 100% vacuum. There is residual air in it that turns into plasma. If it were a pure vacuum then what should cause that glowing? The Aether itself? The Aether which is non-existing to modern science? If so, then just this single experiment would prove science wrong. If the Aether itself would glow then this experiment would be proof that energy (the glowing) can be drawn from the Aether.

»A plasma globe is a clear glass sphere filled with a mixture of various noble gases«, as Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plasma_globe) states.

jbignes5, the basic question here is, what are you actually trying to accomplish with these kinds of posts? If you have ideas how to build a FE device with spark gaps and Tesla coils and oil-filled transformers then you could open a new thread for that subject. Otherwise it looks as if you want to turn away this thread from the concentric capacitor topic deliberately.
Title: Re: The Concentric Capacitor - Key to the Kapanadze Device and similar FE Concepts?
Post by: jbignes5 on December 18, 2016, 03:54:36 AM
Says who? Aspden states otherwise - if connected properly.

Since the first heading of post one in this thread reads »IDENTIFYING A NOVEL PHYSICAL PRINCIPLE«, what makes you think that a textbook video not even mention the term »Aether« will help identifying that novel physical principle? Those videos talk about electric fields but actually they do not know what they are, just that those fields are somehow can be created mystically (by means of a capacitor).

Then Wikipedia and other sources are wrong on this and we can draw sparks in a vacuum??

Yes, I would care. It is not 100% vacuum. There is residual air in it that turns into plasma. If it were a pure vacuum then what should cause that glowing? The Aether itself? The Aether which is non-existing to modern science? If so, then just this single experiment would prove science wrong. If the Aether itself would glow then this experiment would be proof that energy (the glowing) can be drawn from the Aether.

»A plasma globe is a clear glass sphere filled with a mixture of various noble gases«, as Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plasma_globe) states.

jbignes5, the basic question here is, what are you actually trying to accomplish with these kinds of posts? If you have ideas how to build a FE device with spark gaps and Tesla coils and oil-filled transformers then you could open a new thread for that subject. Otherwise it looks as if you want to turn away this thread from the concentric capacitor topic deliberately.

 I know the Captret.. You didn't even know what it was. I worked with it and worked with Ibpointless2 on the project. Did you?

 What novel principle are you describing exactly?

 The spark turns into a very fine electrical streams, Just look at the inside of a vacuum tube to see the action. You are very wrong that air changes into a plasma. Soo wrong it isn't possible for you to state that. Are you telling me you know for sure that air turns into something other then air? Oxygen and nitrogen plus the many many other gases??? Really? You mean to tell me we can transmute air molecules into something other then air? Wow.. It's alchemy.. <-sarcasm

 In case you didn't know the glow is streams of plasma excited by the electric field between the plates. But because the Air is removed the streams are wider and do not emit tons of light. Really I would have thought you would have known that. Actually what you see in a two plate tube is what is going on in a capacitor only intensified due to the high potential electric field.

 They use noble gasses in plasma globes because of two things. One is because they are inert and the second is that the atoms absorb all light but what it rejects, it's the exact thing that makes a red rose red(really it is not red). The reason they use noble gasses is because it acts like the air they removed allowing the discharge to become a filament again and look dazzling with different gasses dictating the color of the discharge..

 I am not trying to accomplish anything other then answering your posts. Most of which come from people who don't know that plasma is everywhere. It is the Aether and we can excite and condense it at will with the use of high voltages. You are posting something that is not right and very wrong. How do I know this.. Well I have been doing this for a very long time, researching is my thing and logical deduction my talent. I started with this in mind to learn the secrets that Tesla knew. I found bits and pieces all over and collected the information to see what Tesla's goal was and His journey to get to that goal. He knew about plasma and it's dynamics. He knew that high voltages condensed the plasma around the terminal. He knew what the lightning bolts really where and where they came from. His experiments when looked at in the entirety of his research all point to him finding the key. But instead of a fanfare and acceptance he faced obscurity. All of his accomplishments were dragged through the mud and soiled. Even after he tried to give everyone the benefit of the doubt and still prove his methods correct with his Pierce arrow car example all they could ask him, Is this magic?

 my goal is to steer you out of a dead end and maybe get you to understand what plasma really is. It is not a state of matter it is what matter floats in. It's a sea the size of our Universe. All connected by that sea of plasma. It's not all contiguous either. It pools and flows in streams just like fluids do. It is the reason fluids flow, mimicking plasma's abilities because plasma is in everything to a degree with fluids having more condensed plasma in them.

 Whats at the center of matter, a plasmoid. What is the electron shell? A plasma shell that is connected to the plasmoid. Just as our ionosphere is connected to our Earth. What separates us from space? A plasma Double layer encircling the Earth. How far does that plasma extend? Care to look into the best Telescopes known to man.. Plasma is the Aether and we can excite and motivate it with the electric field because the plasma's field is conductive to the electric field. It is the very reason the electric has a field at all.

 As for me making the devices I am talking about, well I'm working on that. As for starting a thread about it, well I will when I have the proof and concepts to form that proof is settled to my satisfaction. I mean I can see it now if I didn't have a carefully crafted explanation to all the nay sayers crying foul. It's going to take a while before I can devote that kind of time to it. So I thought I would spread it around and clue you guys in who are working in this field now to the concepts that will get us to "Free" energy. Free means we don't have to expend fuel to get it. Like Niagara Falls for example.

 I worked a very long time on the TK devices and know his designs pretty damn well. I have made the same errors you are making and only want to help you understand this better. Anyways you are the one who wrote in the Tesla section of a TK device saying this is the key. It is not the key to TK devices. Like I said if you want to know how TK is doing it then go to the person he learned it from and that would be Tesla. As for those other guys well most have only understood a small part of the things Tesla was doing and planning on doing. This is because they get excited and want to make it their own so they can profit by it. In almost every case one can look and find the ideas they had were actually Tesla ideas and concepts. Then they end there and don't go back to Tesla to learn the rest. This leaves them with only a portion of the methods and that is why they don't know how it works fully. Hopefully we can stop referring to the failed attempts and go back and learn from the original source.

 My favorite Tesla source is tfcbooks.com They have a great free access to the writing and lectures Tesla did. You might want to start there first and this link will get you started on the high voltage series he did in a lecture in 1892:  http://www.tfcbooks.com/tesla/1892-02-03.htm

 The dreaded oil submerged transformer is right there.. Way back then... Check that link out closely. Read it all.. Even the lighting sections they are very informative. Hint: there is a one wire motor in that lecture as well.. Check it out.. After you look at that the much later colorado notes from 1899 will help you immensely on the direction he was moving: http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/tesla/coloradonotes/coloradonotes04.htm

 All the while keep your mind on the TK devices. Look for parallel ideas. Hint, the one wire motor from the 1892 lecture. TK replicated that.. Remember to look at the device responsible for the one wire motor in that lecture..

 Here is a link to the TK replication: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qVUN3GsekKQ

 at 9:13 is a perfect view of the disks and cores(Just below the disks) he used with a bipolar single terminal system running two disks to run a generator. TK was replicating the devices described and demonstrated by Tesla in that lecture. In fact all of TK devices had the system included and usually hidden in boxes or big shrouds of metal. By the way the metal shrouds were the end plates of the one wire method.

 Eventually TK figured out he didn't need moving parts: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BgqUyJwdfVk

 He also figured out that he could have 3 phase power. 3 coils. The center coil was the emitter and the 3 coils each received the same power but in different spacing around the heavy coil. There are only two possibilities here either he was inducing into the 3 coils, most probably or he was inducing to the heavy coil in the middle. My bet is on the 3 phases being the 3 coils and the source of emissions was the central coil.

 There are two boxes in this one. The smaller one is a special custom oil filled cap feeding the larger box with the oil submerged transformer. This then fed either the 3 coils or the heavy coil in the middle. I bet on the feeding the heavy coil in the middle to a ground wire which they show in the video as well. The system has a feed back loop to keep the transformer producing, stripping the AC into DC. This way there is no special hardware to sync the phases and looping it will not cause counter forces since it is DC looping back. Rectifiers were probably used for this.

 So we have DC feeding a custom oil filled cap that feeds the oil submerged transformer which feeds the emitter coil in the middle and goes to ground. Meanwhile inducing 3 phases of AC which is partially looped back and rectified back to the cap again. All while powering loads on each phase.

 Tk's only problem here is that he is trying to make money off of this. He has hidden everything important to keep it valuable but the problem is that I figured out where he got the idea for this and there is no need to guess at how he did it because we have the same access to the information as he had. Tesla...
Title: Re: The Concentric Capacitor - Key to the Kapanadze Device and similar FE Concepts?
Post by: Zeitmaschine on December 18, 2016, 03:00:25 PM
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What novel principle are you describing exactly?

Maybe you should start at the beginning and read post number one a few more times.

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You are posting something that is not right and very wrong. How do I know this.. Well I have been doing this for a very long time, researching is my thing and logical deduction my talent.

Then you surely can show us all a working device of yours, including the schematics. If you have no working device (not even in part) after such a very long time, then something with your theories has to be wrong. So my advice would be to listen more to the theories of others, instead of calling them »not right«.

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I mean I can see it now if I didn't have a carefully crafted explanation to all the nay sayers crying foul. It's going to take a while before I can devote that kind of time to it.

Then my next hint would be: Instead of writing walls of text around the clock without any sign of carefully crafted explanations, you should devote more time to real research on your workbench. Otherwise you're just one more fella in this forum pretending to know all but unable to show the slightest thing in practice.

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Like I said if you want to know how TK is doing it then go to the person he learned it from and that would be Tesla.

No, Kapanadze didn't learn it from Tesla. He stumbled upon that effect by chance (like Stepanov, Hendershot, etc). Why should Kapanadze have read tons of Tesla patents (most of them in English language only) in the first place, without knowing for sure he could make something out of them?

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He also figured out that he could have 3 phase power. 3 coils. The center coil was the emitter and the 3 coils each received the same power but in different spacing around the heavy coil.

And I figured out - a very long time ago - that those four coils are completely fake, they do nothing. Sorry, you fall on that Kapanadze deception.

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[...] a bipolar single terminal system running two disks to run a generator. TK was replicating the devices described and demonstrated by Tesla in that lecture. In fact all of TK devices had the system included and usually hidden in boxes or big shrouds of metal.

Preciously you stated: »What was in the Can was an oil filled transformer with the capacitance built right in«. Now suddenly you say, that the Sadolin tin can has running disks in it? I can't stand that nonsense any longer!

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There are two boxes in this one. The smaller one is a special custom oil filled cap feeding the larger box with the oil submerged transformer. This then fed either the 3 coils or the heavy coil in the middle.

Is that a X-ray vision of yours? Show me the location of the oil-filled capacitor in the Stepanov three-phase transformer videos. Maybe I missed it.

And since this discussion obviously leads to nothing except to lengthen this thread, spread confusion and keep the discussions going in circles without any progress, I will not answer your posts here anymore. If you want answers, open your own thread in which you then can present your theories at your convenience (instead of hijacking other threads). This thread has absolutely nothing to do with oil-filled transformers and oil-filled capacitors. It is about the concentric capacitor collecting energy from the Aether as explained in the Aspden paper. If you think submerging a capacitor or a transformer in oil will give you free energy from the Aether then the best thing for you to do is to open a new thread in order to explain all this to the inquisitive readers there (do it quickly, before you end up on a lot of ignore lists).
Title: Re: The Concentric Capacitor - Key to the Kapanadze Device and similar FE Concepts?
Post by: jbignes5 on December 18, 2016, 04:57:17 PM
 So he didn't learn it from Tesla huh?

 Explain this video then:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zURkxC0quAY

 At 51:46 look at what is in his hands.

 It's a research packet with the Tesla tower logo on top.

 At 35:40 in this video he tells you who invented this technology he is using..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G4fEkoPQIQo

 So before you state anything else educate yourself. Stop making things up. I do actual research backed by real bench work. The only one making things up and stating walls of text without doing one thing is you my friend.

 You make the grandiose claim that you know they key to the TK devices and similar FE concepts, when in reality you have done very little to educate yourself on all things TK. Not to mention knowing how other similar FE concept work with your magic capacitor.

 And this is where I will leave you. Learn or fall like all the rest to being ignorant of the facts.

 I don't profess to have a device.. I am working on one right now. It is moving along at a slow pace because of my physical problems. As for me not posting schematics well thats an outright lie. In fact I posted one in this thread for others to try. The one spreading confusion is YOU. You have taken 5-6 different concepts and balled them all together to confuse others and mislead them away from the truth. I on the other hand am trying to steer you and them back on track. If that is wrong then so be it but I will not let all my hard work go down the drain because someone like you who is ignorant of the truth leads people away from the truth. The truth is that TK has always said these were and are Tesla devices and methods. If that is hard for you to swallow or even believe then I am sorry but it is the truth of TK own words.

 As for the other "inventors" well I haven't reached those guys yet because the Tesla stuff is so vast. It has taken me over 20 years to learn everything he has to teach and I still haven't gotten even 75% through his work and experiments. And I still am not right with all of it yet because even Tesla knew the deck was stacked against him, especially after the tower incident. Figuring out his true intentions and devices and how they relate to each other is a daunting task to say the least.

 So please go back and watch the TK videos. Read the Tesla information I referred to you and stop making wild guesses at what Tesla and TK were up to... It's all there waiting for you to rediscover...
Title: Re: The Concentric Capacitor - Key to the Kapanadze Device and similar FE Concepts?
Post by: Reiyuki on December 18, 2016, 06:45:53 PM
jbignes5, it's Zeitmaschine's thread.  Let him have it.  If you think there is a different principle at work, post your thread collating your research and experiments for others to critique.


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The one spreading confusion is YOU.

It makes sense to me, and many others on this forum.  If it's confusing or you disagree, ask some more detailed questions and maybe it will make sense.
Reread that first post a few more times and the links referenced, it can take a long time to fully digest.  On my 4th reread I'm still getting useful info out of Aspden's lectures.

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You have taken 5-6 different concepts and balled them all together to confuse others and mislead them away from the truth.

It's not 6 concepts.  It's actually 1 concept applied many different ways.  (Maybe two if you consider the 'dead ferrite' technique to be a separate thing)
At the heart it is the idea that the dielectric properties of 'capacitive coils' can be used to push and pull at its associated EMF using high voltages but very little total power.


Zeit's posting a very specific process applied in different ways with a rough model, pictures, and videos to back it up.  He probably has a deeper understanding of what is actually going on.

I am not an authority on this, but I can help explain as I understand it, and Z can critique if I miss some details.   There's a Russian->English language barrier here too, that could be what's leading to some confusion.

 :)
cheers,
rei
Title: Re: The Concentric Capacitor - Key to the Kapanadze Device and similar FE Concepts?
Post by: jbignes5 on December 19, 2016, 12:25:48 AM
jbignes5, it's Zeitmaschine's thread.  Let him have it.  If you think there is a different principle at work, post your thread collating your research and experiments for others to critique.


It makes sense to me, and many others on this forum.  If it's confusing or you disagree, ask some more detailed questions and maybe it will make sense.
Reread that first post a few more times and the links referenced, it can take a long time to fully digest.  On my 4th reread I'm still getting useful info out of Aspden's lectures.

It's not 6 concepts.  It's actually 1 concept applied many different ways.  (Maybe two if you consider the 'dead ferrite' technique to be a separate thing)
At the heart it is the idea that the dielectric properties of 'capacitive coils' can be used to push and pull at its associated EMF using high voltages but very little total power.


Zeit's posting a very specific process applied in different ways with a rough model, pictures, and videos to back it up.  He probably has a deeper understanding of what is actually going on.

I am not an authority on this, but I can help explain as I understand it, and Z can critique if I miss some details.   There's a Russian->English language barrier here too, that could be what's leading to some confusion.

 :)
cheers,
rei

 It is his post and he can do whatever he likes but he will fail as usual. Because the others did not know what ran them they were clueless when asked about the devices or they simply made up gobbly gook.

 I have worked a very long time on TK's devices. It took me years to understand the things I am posting here. It is a travesty that Z says this is the key.. It isn't, it is only a very small part. There is nothing to learn here other then Z has become like the rest. This is a community forum that is interactive. If he wants to write the bible or a diatribe with out debate then so be it but it doesn't fit with reality.

 You say "If you think there is a different principle at work, post your thread collating your research and experiments for others to critique."

 Why should I start a thread and accept critique when Z won't abide by that...

 The reality is that Tesla and subsequently TK knew about a flow in our environment that is not apparent but for the gravity we feel. Plasma is the key. Learn how to condense and attract free energy along with that condensation and you have a natural 100% clean energy that is limitless. Rejecting these observations and you doom us all to obscurity. But open you mind and look at the material I have shown and it will direct you to the real working device.

 What Z is talking about is not novel. Obviously he doesn't know what novel means. It means undiscovered before and it has been discovered before and experimented with.

 I agree with the capacitive coil. It simply works and to be honest I was only trying to correct him on two points. One is that a spark gap is the access point. The other is that the "Concentric capacitor" is not the key.   
 
 Have at it.. Also where is his device proving it? Where is his videos explainijng it and showing the proof. As I was asked to do that then the same should be applied to him...
Title: Re: The Concentric Capacitor - Key to the Kapanadze Device and similar FE Concepts?
Post by: Reiyuki on December 19, 2016, 02:07:58 AM
jbignes, Z's done an great job describing a relatively consistent concept behind TK's devices and several others.  The references posted are very information dense with lots of details or mathematics (Magpwr, stivep, cosmoLV, H.Aspden).

You may very well have the secrets and be nearly done with a functioning device.  But if you can't 'bring the stone tablets from Mt Sinai' and explain the concepts to the rest of us, it might as well be magic.

Until then, I think ignoring you in this thread may be the right way to go. ::)



...  To be fair, 'Concentric Capacitor' may not not the best name.

"Magneto-dielectric Heat Pump (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heat_pump)" might be a better description (magnetic flux undergoing compression/expansion rather than refrigerant gases, and timed HV impulses acting as one-way valves). ;)
Title: Re: The Concentric Capacitor - Key to the Kapanadze Device and similar FE Concepts?
Post by: citfta on December 19, 2016, 03:45:14 AM
For jbigness and any others this may apply to.  If you really think your idea has some merit then why do you want to post about it in a thread someone else has started?   That just doesn't make any sense.  The best place to express your OWN ideas and thoughts are in a thread just for that purpose.  Jumping into someone else's thread and trying to take over to promote your  own ideas is not only rude and disrespectful but it tends to cause people to not want to read what you post.  Why should we take you seriously if you don't even think your ideas deserve a thread just for them?

To start your own thread is very easy.  Just go the appropriate section of the forum and click on the link that says "New Topic".  Then you can have your very own thread.  If you ideas seem to have some merit you can then carry on a discussion with others that may or may not agree with you.
Title: Re: The Concentric Capacitor - Key to the Kapanadze Device and similar FE Concepts?
Post by: jbignes5 on December 19, 2016, 05:42:22 AM
For jbigness and any others this may apply to.  If you really think your idea has some merit then why do you want to post about it in a thread someone else has started?   That just doesn't make any sense.  The best place to express your OWN ideas and thoughts are in a thread just for that purpose.  Jumping into someone else's thread and trying to take over to promote your  own ideas is not only rude and disrespectful but it tends to cause people to not want to read what you post.  Why should we take you seriously if you don't even think your ideas deserve a thread just for them?

To start your own thread is very easy.  Just go the appropriate section of the forum and click on the link that says "New Topic".  Then you can have your very own thread.  If you ideas seem to have some merit you can then carry on a discussion with others that may or may not agree with you.


 Again why did Z post in the first place? To hear a bunch of followers say good job?

 Again it was stated to me to go and start a new thread on this subject because the author doesn't feel he needs to hear anything other then what he posted. He is the one who posted KEY TO.. Oh really... So that means he has the device in hand and it's working under his misunderstanding of the TESLA device that TK readily admits to, on camera. Plus he professes to know exactly what the other "Similar" devices run on with actual working devices. I think not.

 This is a subject I am well versed on.

 I will not start yet another thread to comment on someones Post in another thread. It's moronic to think I would. There are way to many already and I was informing him with links to information even video information as well. It's called sharing of ideas and information on the subject he posted on.

 My reply's are just that. He professes in title and in sub posts that he knows.. I mean it is the key right? Prove it then... Show me the Concentric capacitor that is the key. Show me how it works with the system.. Oh thats right TK never really showed the whole system. So what do you do then. Like me I thought hey this guy can't explain it then how did he come up with the idea in the first place. Then someone translated the videos and I tell you I wasn't surprised, Yup a True Tesla replication. In fact the more I dug into TK and who he was the more I understood why he didn't know and was keeping parts of it so secret. He is a fraudster because if he really let out that every device he made was a Tesla ripoff then no one would buy it. It's not patentable if there is exact prior art. Hence the little sales pitch under the in house demo with the three coils. You can't sell something that has been posted in the public without copyright on it. It becomes public domain. I mean really this is the reason we can't figure this out. They are too busy trying to find an angle to sell the idea from under the rightful owner.

 I am responding to his posts with facts, linkable facts from the authors of the real system. I figured out a very long time ago where the truth is. It's not with TK and it's not with some magical capacitor.

 I was told to start another thread on the Already stacked TK postings. Well I don't want to.
 I was told to start another thread to post my take on this and accept critiques there.. So Z doesn't have to accept critiques but I do? In another thread?
 Fine have it your way Cifta but I will tell you to talk to Stephan and check before you ask me to be quiet in this forum. I am being civil. Direct but civil. I am posting information with valid links and references to the owner of the information, Tesla.
 So this is about what really?
 Please Tell me Cifta.. Why can't I critique his post? Why can't I engage in debate over this announcement of knowing the key to TK's devices and others? Are you the post police? Almost all the posts I made was to the source of TK's devices. He himself said that clearly in the backyard video. Why can't we then look at Tesla's information and figure this out without lumping 5 inventors together who don't really know whats going on in their devices except for one or two guys.

 You know what never mind. I'm tired of trying to be a part of this community. Pssst. It's not really a community.. It's a pulpit.. LISTEN WHEN I SPEAK and don't talk back you hear...

 I am saddened that Stephan has let this get soo out of control here. People dictating the responses they get.. You know I have had the best debates on this forum about a great many ideas and research but it has gotten pretty dead around here and the ideas are stale. No one can think anymore they regurgitate and demand to have silence from protesters. No one shares ideas anymore about the exact friken device as the subject. I must start yet another thread on the very same device or method? Whats the point.

 Stephan if you read this, well it has been good until now. But I can't keep doing this. The suppression of ideas on the same subject is getting out of hand. I mean why even post on this site then? Whats the point if you can say I don't want to hear anything you have to say if it isn't my thoughts on this. Really on an open source forum? Wow... Just wow...
Title: Re: The Concentric Capacitor - Key to the Kapanadze Device and similar FE Concepts?
Post by: Zeitmaschine on December 19, 2016, 12:20:24 PM
Another supplement, the Donald Lee Smith device(s). I'm not sure how it works or if it works at all (hence it is not in the main list here), because the only(?) known presentation video (https://youtu.be/xSU5_E1V0f4) is inconclusive. No clear measurements were taken and the suitcase, the device was connected to, was never opened. In fact Smith almost got angry (https://youtu.be/OHsEoFszeEw?t=4m31s) when he was asked to open the suitcase. But what we know for sure: It is not submerged in oil and it does not emit hazardous radiation; none of the watchers complaint about feeling sick afterwards.

On the other hand, the inner primary coil and the outer secondary coil form a concentric capacitor, whereas the secondary coil (the outer plate) is connected to an additional capacitor, so the concentric capacitor is in a state of resonance. Smith calls it »Resonant Energy Induction Transfer« device.

One more problem with Don Smith is that he shows some other devices he made but none of them in action. They are just dead, inactive doing nothing. Further more, it seems Don Smith is unable to explain the principle (https://youtu.be/e6LtI64AuRo) of his own simple device (correct the frequency with a resistor?). Thus I'm not sure if Don Smith was not an agent of some kind commissioned to lead astray free energy researchers. Maybe I'm wrong about that.

The DC to AC inverter is rated 200 watts / 5 minutes. There is normally no way to power 10 incandescent light bulbs each 100 watts with it. But are those bulbs really 100 watts each? Is the inverter really untouched or has it been tampered with somehow? Smith refuses to show the battery in the suitcase that powers the device. Why has that allegedly small battery to be in a big suitcase at all? He also worries (https://youtu.be/Sp0krTw04cI?t=7m17s) about the lifetime of the light bulbs - or rather about the lifetime of that battery(?) - so he draws the plug of the device after a few minutes. Further, since Donald Lee Smith passed away in 2010 where is the device and the suitcase now? What about the sales he was talking back in 1996?

And now an interesting twist. Shortly before his death Don Smith apparently told a friend to delete (http://www.energeticforum.com/184339-post3369.html) unnecessary parts from his schematic he had added as distractions. So, what do we see now? We see a load connected via diodes to a spark gap which is connected to a capacitor charged with high voltage, so the spark discharges that capacitor rapidly into the load (the old schematic shows vice versa a spark that charges a capacitor). Haven't we seen this somewhere before? Yes, it is almost the Frolov schematic. A strange coincidence once again. Don Smith about his latest device (https://youtu.be/VDuyom70ZAg?t=4m2s) »If you saw it, you wouldn't think that it does anything [...] there is no coils [...] there is no capacitors.«

Seems, the count of people claiming a rapidly discharged capacitor can provide additional (free) energy is now at least at three, Smith, Frolov, Hempel (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wAtqPL_maeg). This last link is for you, jbignes5, it is not even a concentric capacitor but he shows you that it works, so maybe it is not you that holds the absolute truth in your hands.
Title: Re: The Concentric Capacitor - Key to the Kapanadze Device and similar FE Concepts?
Post by: Reiyuki on December 19, 2016, 04:03:56 PM
A few thoughts about the what's taking place in the 'concentric capacitor'.  I'm trying to better understand the process so anyone feel free to stop me if I'm going in the wrong direction.


* The effect does not does not work with DC.  If it did, 2 magnets glued together N->N and a coil would be spitting out tons of power with HV impulses.  The magnets acting like our two opposed coils..
  Someone would have probably discovered this accidentally by now, it would be super easy to test.


* Resonance often (but not always) plays a role in these devices because it is the most efficient way to get many amps of circulating current without overheating the wires.
* Resonance also creates standing waves in opposed coils at certain frequencies.
  I may just be restating the obvious, or maybe it plays a bigger role and I misunderstand.


Question1:

* Does the effect work best when HV is pulsed:
  - Into an expanding magnetic field? (0-90deg)
or
  - Around the highest average current? (60-120deg)
or
  - From the current peak into a falling magnetic field (90-180deg)

 The interrupters on many of these devices seem to have a 50% duty, so my question is which 50% is it running under and why?
   eg: Does the process decrease resistance to expanding fields, maintain or extend fields that are already there, or is it purely a 'tugging' motion that drags the magnetic field past its normal confine into the wires above it?


Question 2:

* Do these effects also show up in Unipolar(homopolar/faraday) motors/generators and if so, how would we experiment around this?
  Most of Hooper's equations deal with lorentz force and motional EMF, and since these are the same factors driving Unipolar generators perhaps we would get interesting effects here?  What materials was TK's rotary generator made of again?
Title: Re: The Concentric Capacitor - Key to the Kapanadze Device and similar FE Concepts?
Post by: Zeitmaschine on December 19, 2016, 08:10:25 PM
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I'm trying to better understand the process

My understanding: A disconnected but (with high voltage) charged capacitor makes the Aether constantly move between its capacitor plates sideways due to the jitter motion of the Aether itself. When the capacitor is discharged (the faster the better) the inertia of that Aether keeps the Aether moving awhile, so that lagging behind charges the capacitor for free. Logically, if the capacitor plates are concentric in shape that lagging behind can go in circles instead of reaching the end of the capacitor plates, thus a concentric capacitor should be preferred.

A so far unanswered question although would be: Why does the inertia of the Aether not impede the charging process, resulting in a higher charging current? Don't know.

And there is another question: If that works with a capacitor and the electric field, then could it also work with a coil and the magnetic field? What's the difference? The electric field and the magnetic field are both characteristics of the Aether. The difference could be: in order to get a strong magnetic field in a coil we need an iron core. But that core could prevent the lagging effect in case of the magnetic field. Whereas a coil without core could indeed show that lagging effect, hence tapping the Aether energy, but the effect is too weak to be noticed. A second explanation could be: A coil does not keep its charge like a capacitor does, so it is more difficult to short the coil at the correct instant of time. Just my two cents regarding the magnetic field.

Here another thought that just crossed my mind (jbignes5, read carefully): What if we replace that incandescent lamp in the Frolov schematic with a coil - exactly speaking, with a Tesla coil? Then instead of having a lamp lit for free, we would have a Tesla coil drawing sparks for free. 

If we assume - based on theories and experiments - that capacitor C1 can provide more energy on rapid discharge than it was provided with during slow charging, then what could be the implication of this? Could the implication be, that each and every classic Tesla coil puts more energy out than it consumes? Is there no explicit magnifying Tesla transmitter, because all Tesla transmitters and coils are magnifying by nature; thus did we chase a ghost? Was that magnifying part of the Tesla coils hidden in plain view all along? And is it that, why Kapanadze says about his device »This is all Tesla«?

And no, the term »magnifying« does not refer to simply magnifying the voltage. If so, then every ordinary step-up transformer could be called a magnifying transformer.

The secondary coil of T1 has a higher impedance than the primary Tesla coil L1. Hence, the transformer will continuously charge that capacitor more slowly than it is being discharged by L1 through the spark gap.

Has anyone ever measured the output energy of a sparking Tesla coil and then compared it with the energy consumed at the input? So far not to my knowledge.

Of course the problem here would be the same as with the spark gap itself: Drawing sparks for free is fun but pretty useless. So actually we should keep the primary part of the Tesla coil and replace the secondary part with something more practical. Something that steps down the already high voltage instead of stepping it up even further.

And of course, the most practical thing to do would be, to use a concentric capacitor, so we do not need a spark gap for rapid discharge, because we can wrap a pick-up coil around the capacitor (or even inside).
Title: Re: The Concentric Capacitor - Key to the Kapanadze Device and similar FE Concepts?
Post by: jbignes5 on December 19, 2016, 09:41:32 PM
 Can I ask to be shown the capacitor again please, this concentric capacitor. Don't describe it show me please. This will help me see the process you are trying to describe.

 "And of course, the most practical thing to do would be, to use a concentric capacitor, so we do not need a spark gap for rapid discharge, because we can wrap a pick-up coil around the capacitor (or even inside)."

 Isn't this what I showed with my designs? The bifilar coil has the capacitance built in. Then wrap a solenoid around the bifilar.

 We need the spark gap because we can control aspects about said gap. Distance between the electrodes is a timing device and electromagnetic filtering gives a better punch while crossing the gap ie the magnet on either side of the gap (specific isolation needed here to prevent discharges to the magnets).

 The magnification is from the disruptive discharge. I don't think anything will change that. Plus when the gap shorts the plasma is drawn into the gap facilitating better conduction and adding anything it was holding into the mix. This enhances the process of the disruptive discharge and is part of the source of the magnification.

 Dumping the resultant short to a ground facilitates even more gain but think about this for a sec, Dumping it through a coil that has no self inductance could harvest the huge current flows to the ground. Wrap a coil around that and suck all the current you need from the solenoid. Well to the best of the ability of the solenoid coil. This is why I provided the schematic for the dual pole discharge oscillator for you to see. Follow the arrow from the gap to the ground tied to the inside of the transformer. Part of that flow is induced into the secondary and harvested by the solenoids forming the AC circuit. The wattage output would be at the max capability of the solenoid coils wrapped around the bifilar coils.

 There will be a capacitance setup between the ground and the discharge path of the primary. We usually call this induction. This was the exact method used by TK in the back yard video. Clearly you can see the ground wire from the water pipe go through the center portion of the coils tube.

 Tk wanted to simplify the process and used an inverter/battery setup with a rectifier feeding the battery. A very good idea for looping the system.

 Listen I wasn't attacking your Idea since most of what you say I agree with but this concentric cap idea isn't holding water. It's complicating the system when it was designed way back when the ability to complicate it wasn't there(Ie access to pre-built technology).

 Capacitance is capacitance, everything has it. This is due to matters nature of isolationism. Matter is not truly solid. Everything talks internally via capacitance and induction due to matter dividing the Aether or cold plasma.

 And to answer your question about the Tesla coil. Well the closed loop one isn't a real Tesla coil. Yes it has a spark gap but since it is not tied to the ground in some way it can not use the capacity of the earth to help it become stronger, even if that ground system is a virtual one. The real strength would come from a system that had direct access to the ground. Plus the plasma flow to ground would be strengthened by the direct connection. Thats why using a virtual ground will work but only through the capacitance of the virtual capacitor created between the virtual plate(antenna) and real ground.

 This creates a problem really. the direct connect would be too strong for everyone to utilize. It might be used in the Tower design because we could isolate it from populations to lessen the exposure to the system. The virtual system would be ideal but you have to understand that when you alter the spacing between the elements of the virtual capacity that it would bring it out of resonant condition quickly with the ground. But lets say we used in in a car. The antenna for the virtual ground would kinda be the same through its travel except for over water on bridges and things like that. For a house it would be easy to implement since it is a permanent structure.
Title: Re: The Concentric Capacitor - Key to the Kapanadze Device and similar FE Concepts?
Post by: Zeitmaschine on December 19, 2016, 10:00:07 PM
My concentric capacitor so far. We can see such constructions on page one all over the place. But I think I should add a second capacitor plate inside the canister, so it will be a three-plate capacitor in all. And then the question is how to connect it and to what.

Kapanadze's tin can and those of Testatika have the coil most likely inside, not outside.

The Testatika capacitor has three wires to connect, two red, one blue. But of course the Testatika capacitors are working in pairs, so I'm not sure if a single capacitor needs more than three wires.
Title: Re: The Concentric Capacitor - Key to the Kapanadze Device and similar FE Concepts?
Post by: jbignes5 on December 19, 2016, 10:37:10 PM
 Can I explain why I think the can is an oil submerged transformer then and see if this fits your idea.

 The thing here is that the 1892 lecture talks about shielding the transformer in a wooden box covered in metal. This is to keep the voltage inside the can or shielding via skin effect. This isolates it both from us and the environment to  a degree. If it is exposed to the environment then it will short to the rest of the system negating any benefits at all. This is why it is in the can. If you look at the back of the can where the metal tab is welded to the top you can see wires coming out of the can. There is no coincidence they are there. The can is a shield and the oil raises the ability of the transformer to go higher in potential without burning itself up via wire shorts.

 That is the only reasons Tesla used that setup. Plus at some point you need to shield the wires going to and from the high voltage sources. Tesla even patented the first versions of coax due to this. He relates it to a pressure leaking out and didn't want to loose the pressure. Like a hose with holes in it.. Thats what a wire is exactly..
Title: Re: The Concentric Capacitor - Key to the Kapanadze Device and similar FE Concepts?
Post by: jbignes5 on December 19, 2016, 10:40:12 PM
My concentric capacitor so far. We can see such constructions on page one all over the place. But I think I should add a second capacitor plate inside the canister, so it will be a three-plate capacitor in all. And then the question is how to connect it and to what.

Kapanadze's tin can and those of Testatika have the coil most likely inside, not outside.

The Testatika capacitor has three wires to connect, two red, one blue. But of course the Testatika capacitors are working in pairs, so I'm not sure if a single capacitor needs more than three wires.

 How do you know the Testatiska example is a cap? couldn't it be a transformer with shielding?
 The Testastika is not a given either. They wont divulge anything about the system and trying to figure it out without details would be like trying to see an atom without an electron microscope.

 In the example you have shown that device is a heavily shielded transformer here: http://www.rexresearch.com/testatik/testart.htm
Title: Re: The Concentric Capacitor - Key to the Kapanadze Device and similar FE Concepts?
Post by: Zeitmaschine on December 19, 2016, 11:20:43 PM
Those guys on that page never saw what's really in the Testatika capacitors, thus they do only guesswork there. They show each capacitor connected to four wires. I can see only three wires on the real machine.

But tell me, how to make a three-plate capacitor with a flat bifilar coil only? Wouldn't we need something like a trifilar coil? And why should we need extremely high voltage, so we need oil to prevent shorts?


Title: Re: The Concentric Capacitor - Key to the Kapanadze Device and similar FE Concepts?
Post by: jbignes5 on December 19, 2016, 11:31:45 PM
Those guys on that page never saw what's really in the Testatika capacitors, thus they do only guesswork there. They show each capacitor connected to four wires. I can see only three wires on the real machine.

But tell me, how to make a three-plate capacitor with a flat bifilar coil only? Wouldn't we need something like a trifilar coil? And why should we need extremely high voltage, so we need oil to prevent shorts?

 The bifilar has capacity already. The third plate is the solenoid.

 Well the problem with this system is that if you don't have enough voltage the process runs down. The point to this kind of a system is to generate excess voltage. An undamped oscillator is such a device. That is incorporated in the design. Pinging into the bifilars capacitance allows the system to run away in voltage. The oil is to keep the voltage where it is supposed to be and the shielding is to keep it all contained. What dampens the oscillator is what you harvest from it. This means at times the potentials will condense enough plasma to short out the coils if there isn't sufficient dielectric material keeping that from happening. Air doesn't have a sufficient dielectric component to use with the system.

 Do you have credible information on the Testastika then, from someone who dissected the machine and accurately diagrammed it?

 This is the nature of these kinds of investigations. Hearsay is just that.

 This is why I stuck to TK because he admitted where he got the information from. It was easy to go device to device and show where it paralleled Tesla's writings. An easier way to figure this out.. We only need one system to open the doors. Once that happens we can delve into the other areas and open them up to discover the rest. It was easier to go for the abundance of information about Tesla's work then to guess about unseen areas...
Title: Re: The Concentric Capacitor - Key to the Kapanadze Device and similar FE Concepts?
Post by: Zeitmaschine on December 19, 2016, 11:45:34 PM
The concentric wound primary and secondary coils of a transformer have capacity already. The third plate is the core. See the Stepanov transformers working without oil.

The link to the Testatika video is on post one. I simply watched it very closely.
Title: Re: The Concentric Capacitor - Key to the Kapanadze Device and similar FE Concepts?
Post by: jbignes5 on December 20, 2016, 12:01:26 AM
The concentric wound primary and secondary coils of a transformer have capacity already. The third plate is the core. See the Stepanov transformers working without oil.

The link to the Testatika video is on post one. I simply watched it very closely.

 To have undamped oscillator you can't have a core. Hence the ground/virtural ground going in the middle of the transformer in the design I showed..

 I have a hard time believing videos sometimes. anyone could make it and anything can be done. But in TK's video the proof was the Tesla information. It fit and it worked. This one system was doing all of the videos TK was releasing. All from the 1892 lecture.

 In the beginning it took Tesla a while before he figured things out. He didn't start knowing about the plasma thing. But after he figured it out he even boasted about a dynamic theory of gravity based on it. For which he never got to release it and died. Papers were confiscated and still no papers on such things to date.

 Also the wiki that you posted the Testastika has the exact reference to the diagram I posted. In fact all the information about it on the wiki page is based off of the same guys doing the diagram.

 Lets look at a Tesla improvement to the capacitor: https://teslauniverse.com/nikola-tesla/patents/us-patent-464667-electrical-condenser
 and here :       https://teslauniverse.com/nikola-tesla/patents/us-patent-567818-electrical-condenser

 Coincidentally it is remarked in that patent about oils in the use of condensers... The second one tells a better explanation.
Title: Re: The Concentric Capacitor - Key to the Kapanadze Device and similar FE Concepts?
Post by: shylo on December 20, 2016, 12:31:31 AM
The biggest problem, We only look at half of what's going on.
Everybody loves the positive, but try to eliminate the negative.
The potential difference is what, we need to use, need to see.
artv
Title: Re: The Concentric Capacitor - Key to the Kapanadze Device and similar FE Concepts?
Post by: jbignes5 on December 20, 2016, 12:56:56 AM
The biggest problem, We only look at half of what's going on.
Everybody loves the positive, but try to eliminate the negative.
The potential difference is what, we need to use, need to see.
artv

 Yeah I agree...

 Actually the potential difference is the drive or direction setter. The movement of what, is what we need to see. What is the potential difference moving. That my friends is the Aether or plasma as I call it. Learn to attract it and it can multiply your movement or give it more umph. It is an inertia multiplier and we can convert it to any form of energy in that process.

 This is actually what keyed me on what the Tower was actually doing. He spread the very high voltage across the dome of single terminal bulbs and drew the plasma down from the ionosphere in a great ball above that surface. Then he let it short to the ground via the central shaft after the dome discharged. There was a capacitor shorted solenoid around the base and acted like a choke that he would disruptively discharge to the ground through a bifilar coil. A solenoid around that coil could harvest the huge currents generated by that tower. In fact I believe this is what shorted out the generators at the utility place on the island. He had to fix that one lol.
 In essence the Tower was nothing but a blocking oscillator sucking down plasma from the ionosphere and shorting it to the ground where you could tap the flow at the ground connection via induction.

 These smaller versions need higher potentials and to make it safer you should use oil on the coils and caps. Heating goes down and efficiency goes way up to.

 I also don't know how to say it by there needs to be a spark gap. It needs to have the plasma to attract the bulk of plasma into this smaller system. The ground wire inside of the transformer is for some of the plasma to go to ground and some can be scooped out via induction to any load you need.

 In Tk's back yard video he used a heavy copper coil to discharge into and the extreme high voltage impulses attracted the plasma to the awaiting ground wire. The coil in the middle was most likely a coil designed to resonate at 50 hz to match their system there so he could use the normal loads. Although I don't rmember anything being used except light bulbs on that one.

 To me it looks like a huge virtual transistor with inductive output, meaning not directly connected to the main flow. A certain flow of plasma would be capable of a certain output as well. Meaning the bigger it is the more current it can push in the load circuit.

 Now there are great flows of plasma going to ground already. What do you think hurricanes and tornadoes are? This might actually make things nicer around us. We would release the pressure causing the great flows of plasma to the ground now. Just think about the energy of a tornado and explain where it comes from? If you knew about plasma and density of plasma layers around our planet then you might figure it out very quickly how this could take energy out of that systems and put it into our man made systems. Tesla found his new Niagara Falls except this one was bigger... Way bigger... Limitless energy... Clean... Natural.. And very powerful... AND TO BOOT completely FREE. Well except for material costs of the systems. After that it was essentially free.
Title: Re: The Concentric Capacitor - Key to the Kapanadze Device and similar FE Concepts?
Post by: Zeitmaschine on December 20, 2016, 03:20:29 AM
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This is why I stuck to TK because he admitted where he got the information from.

And that's the mistake, sticking to TK. I prefer to see the overall picture, so I can combine different trivial elements to a comprehensive view.

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In Tk's back yard video he used a heavy copper coil to discharge into and the extreme high voltage impulses attracted the plasma to the awaiting ground wire.

That big Kapanadze copper coil is completely fake. I figured that out in mid 2012 already while doing some experiments. In that green box video Kapanadze himself admits (made a slip) that the »resonator« (as he calls it) is INSIDE the box. So the coil looks nice but does nothing. My best guess here is that the tin can (the resonator) is now inside the box working still as concentric (resonating) capacitor.

One more discussion cycle completed.

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Coincidentally it is remarked in that patent about oils in the use of condensers

Show me one single video or image on the whole internet presenting an electric FE device, real or fake whatsoever,  in which I can see one single drop of oil anywhere, or an inventor stating that his electric device needs oil to work. Old tube TV's working with up to 30KV high voltage and nowhere in those TV's can we see the slightest sign of oil in the flyback or other parts. So what level of high voltage (in oil) do we need to get energy? 100.000 volts? 1.000.000 volts?

This free-energy-from-oil theory leads to nothing except going in circles over and over again. So I will end this discussion right here.
Title: Re: The Concentric Capacitor - Key to the Kapanadze Device and similar FE Concepts?
Post by: jbignes5 on December 20, 2016, 02:28:36 PM
 You my friend are a moron.

 A waste of skin if you can't read Tesla's words on the subject of why the oil is needed in those components.

 Oh by the way why don't you ask Itzu if that cap idea will actually work. I asked him over 2 years ago to test it for me.. Guess what?? It doesn't.. See I told you I made the mistakes you are making. But at least I learned from them.

"Old tube TV's working with up to 30KV high voltage and nowhere in those TV's can we see the slightest sign of oil in the flyback or other parts."
 In the first place that is why the TV's broke down all the time. I know, thats what I learned Electronics from and was fixing them and the usual problem was breeches due to shorts from components.
 Now this is a waste of everyone's time. I got better things to do.
 
Good bye
Title: Re: The Concentric Capacitor - Key to the Kapanadze Device and similar FE Concepts?
Post by: Zeitmaschine on December 20, 2016, 03:30:49 PM
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You my friend are a moron.

Doesn't work? I gave you the video link showing that it works twice.

And I have an old tube TV form 1974 still working.

Of course Tesla used oil in capacitors in order to prevent sparking (lacking of other means). Nowadays electrolyte or some other synthetic material is used in factory-made capacitors as dielectric material. No problem here, should even work better than oil.

Posting numbers in this thread:

Zeitmaschine, reply #  0, 1, 3, 6, 9, 15, 17, 19, 26, 28, 30, 33, 35, 39, 41 = total 15
jbignes5, reply # 4, 5, 7, 11, 13, 16, 18, 20, 22, 25, 29, 31, 32, 34, 36, 38, 40 = total 17

So as it looks jbignes5 leads this thread in the effort to disproof the theories of the thread opener (a moron). Of course that could make some readers easily think that this could be run under the control of so called »vested interest«, so to say.

By the way, this is how to put a member on ones ignore list:
Title: Re: The Concentric Capacitor - Key to the Kapanadze Device and similar FE Concepts?
Post by: Reiyuki on December 20, 2016, 04:23:05 PM
My concentric capacitor so far. We can see such constructions on page one all over the place. But I think I should add a second capacitor plate inside the canister, so it will be a three-plate capacitor in all. And then the question is how to connect it and to what.


Zeit, have you seen these videos from MrTeslonian?  He made some 'electrostatic capacitors' that look like what you have but inside-out.

MrTeslonian: How-to make a electrostatic step-down transformer, converts electrostatic to low voltage DC. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k06S-01HBqQ)

MrTeslonian: how to make a electrostatic step-down transformer, part 2, ampere test, Wimshurst to low volt DC. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g6ipm6r7h-Y)

MrTeslonian: Tesla coil "the true secret" how it was really used. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qwVOp-HPIVE&t=181s)


It's not TK's coil, but maybe it will give you some ideas?
Title: Re: The Concentric Capacitor - Key to the Kapanadze Device and similar FE Concepts?
Post by: Zeitmaschine on December 20, 2016, 06:25:04 PM
Thanks, extremely interesting! :)

Now the idea that it gives me is, that I don't want to use an electrostatic mechanic wheel producing a million volts. Then that would mean, I don't need the reversed working Tesla coil in order to create oscillations from the sparks hitting the top of it. If the high voltage is already oscillating - generated by a step up transformer or an electronic circuit - then, instead of the reversed working Tesla coil, I would need what? A simple capacitor plate?

But I should keep the thick secondary coil, normally Tesla coil's primary.

So the idea would be to wrap a tin can with a heavy coil and then wrap this coil with aluminum foil to have a coil pancaked (in 3D or sandwiched) between two concentric capacitor plates, the inner one connected to high voltage pulses, the outer one to ground and then connecting that coil in the middle to something - maybe a load?

Also I have the vague feeling that those guys in the videos have no idea about the physical principle they are playing with.

Title: Re: The Concentric Capacitor - Key to the Kapanadze Device and similar FE Concepts?
Post by: Reiyuki on December 21, 2016, 06:11:23 AM
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So the idea would be to wrap a tin can with a heavy coil and then wrap this coil with aluminum foil to have a coil pancaked (in 3D or sandwiched) between two concentric capacitor plates, the inner one connected to high voltage pulses, the outer one to ground and then connecting that coil in the middle to something - maybe a load?

If there is only one coil, what is providing the magnetic field for that coil to interact with?  The tin can or the foil?  Foil is diamagnetic so that's a possibility.  But I think you need a source of strong magnetic flux to go along with your HV potential.


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Also I have the vague feeling that those guys in the videos have no idea about the physical principle they are playing with.

lol, I think he's going in the right direction, and he actually builds things.  It's easy to us to get stuck in the theory and concept and never build devices and explore the effects.  I myself am often guilty of this. :P
Title: Re: The Concentric Capacitor - Key to the Kapanadze Device and similar FE Concepts?
Post by: Zeitmaschine on December 21, 2016, 11:00:19 AM
A static electric field won't do anything, but it could be a different story when the field is pulsed.

The magnetic field should be provided by the electric field between the concentric capacitor plates. If this field is in motion, as stated here: Static on Moving Object Forms Magnetic Field (http://blog.modernmechanix.com/static-on-moving-object-forms-magnetic-field/), the static field then should generate a magnetic field, picked up by the coil squeezed between the concentric plates.

Also thinking in advance can save money instead of spending it for failed experiments.

Rear side view of the Testatika machine. As it appears, the blue wire connects to the outer plate of the left capacitor and runs straight to the outer plate of the right capacitor.
Title: Re: The Concentric Capacitor - Key to the Kapanadze Device and similar FE Concepts?
Post by: MasterPlaster on December 21, 2016, 01:24:40 PM
Interesting!

http://www.popularmechanics.com/science/energy/a6757/a-shocking-new-understanding-of-static-electricity/
Title: Re: The Concentric Capacitor - Key to the Kapanadze Device and similar FE Concepts?
Post by: Zeitmaschine on December 21, 2016, 09:30:26 PM
Featuring a news report, that every John Doe can now build his own free energy device out of parts from the scrapyard would be even more shocking. ::)

Contemplating: one thing with the Testatika machine is, that there may be some stylish components on it, doing nothing, e.g. the blocks of acrylic glass between the horse shoe magnets. I'm sure those blocks of acrylic glass are just decorative elements, thus the horse shoe magnets could be as well just ornamentation. The other thing is that the main power output circuit and the motor power circuit are completely separated from each other. Means, we can likewise disregard all components in the motor circuit. And what remain isn't much.

Since the function of the wheel is clear - providing high voltage pulses - the only remaining question is, what exactly could be in these big concentric three-pole capacitors? If we figure this out, then we also know what's in Kapanadze's tin can.
Title: Re: The Concentric Capacitor - Key to the Kapanadze Device and similar FE Concepts?
Post by: Reiyuki on December 22, 2016, 02:36:45 AM
Here's my description of what occurs inside these systems, hopefully it makes sense.  If I had some epic 3d CAD skills I'd be rendering orbiting electrons and all that, but alas:
http://imgur.com/a/EKHcy (http://imgur.com/a/EKHcy)


Personally, I'm confident we can model and predict the effect using the equations for the Faraday/Unipolar generator (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homopolar_generator) along with electrostatic/capacitor mathematics.  Specifically motional-EMF, partly since it shows up all over the OU community.

  In a unipolar generator, the magnetic field is (generally) provided by a magnet.
  In opposed coil systems, the magnetic field for each coil is provided by the other coil, causing a self-propelling process limited by resistance and geometry..

These 'coilpacitors' have a mix of magnetic and dielectrcic properties which give us the ability to briefly tug at and expand/contract their magnetic flux without using much power. ;D


Too bad we need high voltage though, it tends to play bad with modern electronics.
Title: Re: The Concentric Capacitor - Key to the Kapanadze Device and similar FE Concepts?
Post by: ariovaldo on December 22, 2016, 07:36:52 PM
Featuring a news report, that every John Doe can now build his own free energy device out of parts from the scrapyard would be even more shocking. ::)

Contemplating: one thing with the Testatika machine is, that there may be some stylish components on it, doing nothing, e.g. the blocks of acrylic glass between the horse shoe magnets. I'm sure those blocks of acrylic glass are just decorative elements, thus the horse shoe magnets could be as well just ornamentation. The other thing is that the main power output circuit and the motor power circuit are completely separated from each other. Means, we can likewise disregard all components in the motor circuit. And what remain isn't much.

Since the function of the wheel is clear - providing high voltage pulses - the only remaining question is, what exactly could be in these big concentric three-pole capacitors? If we figure this out, then we also know what's in Kapanadze's tin can.


I built a simple wimshurst machine and as soon I have time, I will build a capacitor for test.
Please, check my arrangement and let me know what do you think.
https://youtu.be/4uaGgqniqzo


Cheers
Ariovaldo
Title: Re: The Concentric Capacitor - Key to the Kapanadze Device and similar FE Concepts?
Post by: Zeitmaschine on December 22, 2016, 09:30:38 PM
Those motors are rather large.

Wouldn't it be better to just buy one and then to connect it to custom-built capacitors?

AstroMediaShop (http://astromedia.eu/Bastelspass-der-Wissen-schafft/Die-Wimshurst-Maschine::274.html) (Cardboard Kit)

Wikimedia (https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=File%3AWimshurst_Machine_VGA.webm)
Title: Re: The Concentric Capacitor - Key to the Kapanadze Device and similar FE Concepts?
Post by: ariovaldo on December 22, 2016, 11:43:50 PM
Those motors are rather large.

Wouldn't it be better to just buy one and then to connect it to custom-built capacitors?

AstroMediaShop (http://astromedia.eu/Bastelspass-der-Wissen-schafft/Die-Wimshurst-Maschine::274.html) (Cardboard Kit)

Wikimedia (https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=File%3AWimshurst_Machine_VGA.webm)


As a said, it was built just for test. Th motors are 1/2 hp and with VFD , low voltage connections and low RPM, the system is pulling about 75 Watts.
Title: Re: The Concentric Capacitor - Key to the Kapanadze Device and similar FE Concepts?
Post by: sm0ky2 on December 23, 2016, 01:38:56 AM
I built my test bed based on a Voss machine style
As I found very little information on the Pidgeon model
      used in Linden.
That and I had issues with the belt mechanism on the Whimhurst...
It's much simpler with only one spinning disk.
This machine runs on a 5c Dc motor
Pulling 0.51A @ 6V.  ~ 3Watts input
After about 30 seconds of flipping it on
 I punched a hole through plastic rated for 700Kv


I don't know the upper limit, from what I read
  This machine is based in the size of the capacitors.
But my goal is to keep it low, steady and somewhat stable.


The outside plates of all capacitors are linked to a common ground rod.
Which is connected to Earth Ground. (This is for safety not functionality)


I made a 4 "Mr Teslonian" step-down transformers, they do work but generate not much current.
I can get a steady 30v out of mine but are otherwise useless. At least to me.


The main jars on the machine collect the charge, they are currently 'leyden' with 1/2 inch of saltwater
and the 4 smaller capacitors in front are for stabilization


Output voltage and frequency are controlled by a spark gap

[photo was removed due to size issues]


I am toying with several styles of concentric capacitors
I also have a pair of perforated ones

Title: Re: The Concentric Capacitor - Key to the Kapanadze Device and similar FE Concepts?
Post by: sm0ky2 on December 24, 2016, 08:42:48 AM
Ok well I can't seem to resize photos on my iPhone for some reason
So I went with a short video showing my ion generator in operation

https://youtu.be/AAVdDE2YTow (https://youtu.be/AAVdDE2YTow)




I will send an update soon with a few different capacitor designs
That I am currently experimenting with
Title: Re: The Concentric Capacitor - Key to the Kapanadze Device and similar FE Concepts?
Post by: sm0ky2 on December 26, 2016, 07:50:24 AM
This is a rudimentary concentric capacitor
Made from plastic cups


This arrangement has 6 plates.
With just the outer two plates connected


The second test has all 6 plates connected
  Higher voltage is obtained at the cost of lower frequency


https://youtu.be/GjGTFxFgpiE (https://youtu.be/GjGTFxFgpiE)
https://youtu.be/2lqXPMtYqf4 (https://youtu.be/2lqXPMtYqf4)


I've gotten my machined tweaked down to the point where it
is only pulling 1.5 Watts through the motor.
Friction on the brushes is about all I can improve at this point.
After turning it off it will continue to spin and spark for about a minute.

Title: Re: The Concentric Capacitor - Key to the Kapanadze Device and similar FE Concepts?
Post by: Grumage on December 26, 2016, 12:48:17 PM
Dear All.

A fairly simple 3 plate capacitor can be made using a laminator.

Cut 3 pieces of Aluminium cooking foil, heavy duty is best, slightly smaller than the pouch. Laminate the first sheet, not forgetting to make a connection tab with a thin strip of foil placed upon the main sheet and in the centre. Next place the other sheets either side ( with tabs right and left of centre ) and then laminate the whole thing.

I made one like this a couple of years ago but discovered that it's capacitance varied with pressure so perhaps rolling it and placing in a tube might stabilise this effect?

Obviously a glass/foil arrangement would be better but, rather expensive. The pouches can easily be taken to 10 Kv without breakdown, I would be interested to know how much electrical stress they could cope with.

Cheers Graham.
Title: Re: The Concentric Capacitor - Key to the Kapanadze Device and similar FE Concepts?
Post by: sm0ky2 on December 27, 2016, 06:04:07 AM
Dear All.

A fairly simple 3 plate capacitor can be made using a laminator.

Cut 3 pieces of Aluminium cooking foil, heavy duty is best, slightly smaller than the pouch. Laminate the first sheet, not forgetting to make a connection tab with a thin strip of foil placed upon the main sheet and in the centre. Next place the other sheets either side ( with tabs right and left of centre ) and then laminate the whole thing.

I made one like this a couple of years ago but discovered that it's capacitance varied with pressure so perhaps rolling it and placing in a tube might stabilise this effect?

Obviously a glass/foil arrangement would be better but, rather expensive. The pouches can easily be taken to 10 Kv without breakdown, I would be interested to know how much electrical stress they could cope with.

Cheers Graham.


Thanks Graham


Heavy laminates can hold quite a bit of charge (300-600Kv with most brands)
Obviously the thicker sheets insulate better.
Cheap plastic wrap breaks down at lower voltages
However, an undamaged layer of Saran Wrap (brand of plastic wrap)
       Can hold back something between 1 and 2 million volts.
  It's a little more expensive, ( see dept. of defense force field report for more info)


A side note on this: insulator break down voltage is a factor of capacitance.
Not voltage potential alone.
Capacitance varies with the distance between plates.


Using foil + laminant or foil + plastic sheeting/wrap
   The capacitance will vary with use because the plates change distances.
Opposite charges will attract the plates while like charges will repel each other.
On average, the + in the center will balance out the repelling forces of the two lesser - plates
But in practice these variances are noticible.


I do not use foil anymore, for this and many other reasons.
What I use is a thicker Aluminum Tape.
It's self-adhesive, has a higher charge density per area
More durable than foil, and can hold a charge for quite some time.
It is also called Nashua Tape sometimes.
I say it is the Static-Electricians best friend!
My entire ion generator and all my caps are made from this stuff.
[well except my fast charging caps-
   which are a hollow aluminum tube in a plastic sleeve]


Anyways, rolling the laminated caps up turns them into
"Concentric capacitors" , not the standard way of looking at them but the
Charge induction is the same.


When you are dealing with static charges it is more than just capacitance.
In a simple concentric capacitor (or even two parallel plates)
There is a capacitance as well as an inductance and reactance
   as observed as a single loop transformer


Rolled plates are treated as transformers with multiple turns.



Title: Re: The Concentric Capacitor - Key to the Kapanadze Device and similar FE Concepts?
Post by: sm0ky2 on December 27, 2016, 06:10:03 AM
This becomes a complex induction when you charge multiple plates


Vs just charging one. Polarities also change the equation
Not just in action but also in reaction of opposing charges.
Title: Re: The Concentric Capacitor - Key to the Kapanadze Device and similar FE Concepts?
Post by: sm0ky2 on December 27, 2016, 10:53:12 AM
Here I have a 6 plate capacitor
Arranged such that the outer two plates and inner two plates
Are not connected.
These plates charge by induction from the two charged plates
  sandwiched in between.


https://youtu.be/uRICPYRfyWA (https://youtu.be/uRICPYRfyWA)


With this configuration I am able to get strong 1/2- inch sparks
  at a fairly decent frequency
Still pulling 1.5 watts at the input
Title: Re: The Concentric Capacitor - Key to the Kapanadze Device and similar FE Concepts?
Post by: Zeitmaschine on December 27, 2016, 09:00:15 PM
The point with concentric capacitors is that the Aether should be set in rotary motion (according to Aspden (http://www.haroldaspden.com/lectures/27.htm)) between the capacitor plates. But what decides about the direction of that motion? There should be a coil (like that) (http://overunity.com/17036/the-concentric-capacitor-key-to-the-kapanadze-device-and-similar-fe-concepts/dlattach/attach/161692/) wound clockwise or counterclockwise so the Aether gets a distinct push in one direction in order to get the max. effect out of it - as far as I see this.

High voltage (ceramic) capacitor test series:

Configuration 1: An idle running high voltage transformer is connected through a sine wave inverter to a 12V battery. The ammeter shows a current of 908mA DC.

Configuration 2: Same as before. But now there is a capacitor connected in parallel to the primary coil of the transformer. Independent of the added capacitance the ammeter continues to show a current of 908mA DC without any deviation. So either capacitor and coil are not in resonance, or, if in resonance, it does not affect the battery current.

Configuration 3: The capacitor is connected to the secondary (high voltage) coil of the transformer. Now the ammeter shows clearly a lower battery current (around 1W less power consumption). Adding more capacitance (in the range of nF) results in an even lower current.

Configuration 4: Same as before. But now a spark gap is connected in series with the capacitor. Here the battery current goes up as the ammeter shows. Strangely, preventing a permanent contact results in a higher current.

Those are the measurements. Conclusion?

The capacitor - although not concentric - on the high voltage side collects additional energy from the Aether and reflects that energy back into the transformer, whereas the capacitor on the low voltage side does basically the same, but due to the low voltage that effect is insufficient to be measured.

Further, when a spark gap is connected in series with that capacitor on the high voltage side, that erratic sparking disrupts the flow of energy into the transformer collected by the capacitor. Moreover, it creates a phase shift, so the collected energy from the Aether works against the current flow in the transformer circuit.

Not sure if this explanation is correct, but something odd is going on here.
Title: Re: The Concentric Capacitor - Key to the Kapanadze Device and similar FE Concepts?
Post by: citfta on December 28, 2016, 02:39:18 AM
There is nothing odd about your transformer experiment.  By adding the capacitor to the secondary winding you are bringing the secondary closer to a resonant condition.  If you keep adding capacitance you will reach a point of the lowest current draw from the primary side.  If you increase the capacitance after that point then you will see the current start to increase again.  The lowest current draw is when the secondary is at resonance.  A parallel resonant circuit will draw the least amount of current from the source.  A series resonant circuit will draw the maximum amount of current from the source.  When you add the spark gap you totally upset the resonant condition so the secondary acts just like a normal load which increases the current draw from the primary.

Carroll
Title: Re: The Concentric Capacitor - Key to the Kapanadze Device and similar FE Concepts?
Post by: Zeitmaschine on December 28, 2016, 04:20:25 AM
Quote
By adding the capacitor to the secondary winding you are bringing the secondary closer to a resonant condition.

And that capacitor that brings the secondary closer to the resonance is that component - according to Aspden - which can collect energy from the Aether. So maybe it would be a good idea to take a closer look what the term »resonance« here actually means. Does the coil resonate simply with a capacitor (two dead metallic plates) or does it resonate with the Aether between the plates, more precise the energy of that Aether?

»If you want to find the secrets of the universe, think in terms of energy, frequency and vibration.« - Nikola Tesla

I'm trying to do just that.

The specific question: Why does here the resonance depend on high voltage? Connecting the secondary of a 230V isolation transformer to approx. 2nF shows no sign at all of resonance or lowering the DC input amps. Not even 10nF or 100nF does anything. Hence the suspicion: there could be something erroneous with our textbooks, so we don't see the obvious.
Title: Re: The Concentric Capacitor - Key to the Kapanadze Device and similar FE Concepts?
Post by: sm0ky2 on December 28, 2016, 05:02:36 AM
What the secondary coil 'resonates' with is the primary coil
In combination with the air-core or ferrite core they are wound around.
Adding a capacitance to the secondary coil to bring it closer to resonance
 makes the primary and secondary coils react in a similar manner to the electromagnetic flux
It's like playing a song on a piano in the same 'key'
If you play that same song using contrasting keys the song will sound chopped and flat.
When you play it in the same key, the sound amplifies and carries
Title: Re: The Concentric Capacitor - Key to the Kapanadze Device and similar FE Concepts?
Post by: Zeitmaschine on December 28, 2016, 04:50:04 PM
Yes, there is resonance. But what is a state of resonance according to the textbooks? Here the textbook explanation:

Tutorial on LC Resonant Circuits (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hqhV50852jA&feature=youtu.be&t=5m49s)

When a parallel LC circuit is in resonance with the frequency of the signal generator, then the input current goes to zero (in the ideal case). And at that point the textbook stops explaining, so it is only half the truth. But isn't that somewhat puzzling? If there is no input current (quote: »it looks like an open circuit«), then what energy source keeps the oscillation going? The answer must be: the energy of the Aether. This is what the textbooks won't let you know.

Electric fields and magnetic fields are characteristics of the Aether. In a charged capacitor the energy is not stored in the plates, but in the Aether between the plates. Likewise, the magnetic field is not stored in the wire of a coil, but in the Aether surrounding that coil. That means, in a resonating LC circuit, not the visible electric components (L and C) do mystically resonate with each other, but the Aether itself. Since that Aether contains energy, that energy is responsible for that effect that we then can observe as LC resonance in the macroscopic world.

It is also responsible for the energy that powers the earpiece of a crystal radio. Here that energy is not coming from the antenna out of thin air, but rather out of thin Aether which resonates within the tuned LC circuit. The longer the antenna, the higher the potential difference between antenna and ground due to the static electric field in the atmosphere. The higher the voltage across that LC circuit, the higher the warping of the Aether and the higher the energy gain from the Aether within the LC circuit (see the high voltage experiment above). The resonating circuit turns pure voltage into useful current that can power a load.

So actually does that imply free energy was (and still is) right in front of our eyes in plain view, but obscured by the textbooks until now? It looks that way. And that's why the forums keep going in circles thousands of pages year after year. Now it's finally time to break out of those circles.
Title: Re: The Concentric Capacitor - Key to the Kapanadze Device and similar FE Concepts?
Post by: sm0ky2 on January 01, 2017, 04:58:52 PM
exactly Zeit

This is a concept a lot of people get hung up on (look at joule thief threads...)
current is related to impedance, just the same as it is to resistance.
some interpretations observe the two as one and the same.

when the impedance of the transformer primary approaches =0 (resonant state)
current through the primary also approaches = 0
current through the secondary is driven by the resonation. (environmental capacitance)
Not by the source.
Title: Re: The Concentric Capacitor - Key to the Kapanadze Device and similar FE Concepts?
Post by: Zeitmaschine on January 01, 2017, 06:00:23 PM
Happy new year, happy free energy! :)

I'd like to start the new year with a quote from All About Circuits (http://www.allaboutcircuits.com/textbook/alternating-current/chpt-6/parallel-tank-circuit-resonance/):

»What happens at resonance is quite interesting. With capacitive and inductive reactances equal to each other, the total impedance increases to infinity, meaning that the tank circuit draws no current from the AC power source!«

So the tank circuit needs no power source in order to oscillate? No problem with that! It is exactly what we are looking for!

My High and Low Voltage Capacitors Tests (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hTu0gLyqx_w)

12.5V × 900mA = 11.25W
12.5V × 800mA = 10W

Question: Where are the 1.25 watts coming from when the set of capacitor is connected to the high voltage secondary? Why can't I get the same 1.25 watts when any capacitor is connected to a LOW voltage secondary? Hmmm ...
   
Vice versa: Why should the high voltage transformer with a non-connected open secondary consume 1.25 watts in addition, not needed when the set of capacitors is connected to the secondary? Hmmm ...

Advanced stuff (in German):

Kapazitiver Transformator (http://www.hcrs.at/KAPTRAFO.HTM)
W. Wiedergut - Testatika (https://youtu.be/OUexBRzyPjU?t=3h31m42s)

They are close, but not close enough. Below are the illustrations how I see this.

High voltage pulses created by something (can be rotating disks) are connected to an in reverse working Tesla coil. The secondary coil (former primary) consists of just one single winding made of sheet metal, surrounded by a grounded (Faraday) cage. This forms a three-plate capacitor. As we can see, the load is connected to an extremely low-ohm power source, namely the plus and minus single winding secondary coils, connected together via ground. The Tesla coil and the outer plate are forming a concentric capacitor with the output coil in the middle. The high voltage input to the Tesla coil (maybe up to 100,000 volts) creates a strong Aether rotary motion which induces a high current in the single winding coil between.

The basic component, that collects the energy from the Aether, is the concentric capacitor. The reverse Tesla coil does only assists that effect; remember, the Hendershot device does not need a Tesla coil. So the question is, could this also work with an ordinary step-down transformer?

Unfortunately, I can't test my theories right now, because I'm waiting for the delivery of components ordered from China (Tesla coils are rather expensive in Germany). :(

But at least, we keep it so simple, one would laugh. If we know the Testatika secret, we know the Kapanadze secret.
Title: Re: The Concentric Capacitor - Key to the Kapanadze Device and similar FE Concepts?
Post by: Dog-One on January 02, 2017, 05:37:59 PM
Good research going on here Zeitmaschine!

I think you're really close to breakthrough.


What we know is this:

If you can combine voltage with amperage in-phase, you have real power.
I think the concentric capacitor technique is the means to achieve this.

We have plenty of voltage from the source.  You have access to high current
with the single turn shielded coil.  So if we can combine these two things in
such a way where they do not cancel each other out, there's real power there
for the taking.

Splitting the positive source away from the negative source appears to me
to be the correct approach.  I see this in your drawing.  I also see pulsed
DC which is needed for any induction to occur.  For things to stay in-phase,
the positive and negative commutators must be perfectly matched to
make-n-break at identical times.  Each side is the sink for the other side;
the load is the spring in the middle and must be compressed equally from
each side at exactly the same time.

This is a device where it looks to me like symmetry is critical unlike most
devices where asymmetry is needed.  I'm guessing the source is where
all of the asymmetry is concentrated.

The last part of this that is critical IMHO for proper operation is the
frequency of the pulses and the capacitance between the single-turn
coil and the outer faraday cage.  This capacitor must allow the frequency
of pulses to get through it at the peak of its Q-factor, otherwise the
bulk of that energy will be lost.


Great detective work so far.  I'll keep checking in on your progress
and provide anymore ideas that come to mind.  This looks to me like
a real possibility for success with enough patience and attention to
detail.
Title: Re: The Concentric Capacitor - Key to the Kapanadze Device and similar FE Concepts?
Post by: shylo on January 02, 2017, 11:29:00 PM
Interesting stuff, My question is, can you pull voltage from one lead of the coil, while pulling current from the other lead of the coil?
I think you can , just by way of differential in potential.
If you charge two cap banks, off of generating coils, discharge one while the other is generating, then reverse.
artv
Title: Re: The Concentric Capacitor - Key to the Kapanadze Device and similar FE Concepts?
Post by: Meta on January 27, 2017, 06:29:05 AM
This is a device where it looks to me like symmetry is critical unlike most
devices where asymmetry is needed.  I'm guessing the source is where
all of the asymmetry is concentrated.

Dog-one

_____________________________

Now you've discovered the polarity-like behavior of symmetry and asymmetry.

Now try thinking in terms of resonance and its partner, dissonance being just as polarized as symmetry and asymmetry.

Example: The perfect resonance of space (Aether) is v2/c2 = Phi

v2 is the square of the velocity of space (Aether)

c2 is the square of the velocity of light

Phi is the Golden Ratio

If Phi is the perfect resonant condition, what is the mechanism that can cause the dissonant condition.

Resonance>Dissonance>Resonance>Dissonance>Resonance>Dissonance.....   can you say pumping the Aether.

Think.

Title: Re: The Concentric Capacitor - Key to the Kapanadze Device and similar FE Concepts?
Post by: aether22 on January 27, 2017, 08:00:28 AM
A summarization of the latest findings and theories regarding Aether powered electric free energy devices....


Hi Zeitmachine!


I too noticed this correlation, and I have also gained the ability to feel aetheric energy, and I have worked out a fair bit of what is going on.


I have found that aetheric energy "particles" have positive and negative charges, and they are affected by centrifugal force, but the electric charge, and any suitable magnetic field can act centripetally to keep aetheric charges moving at a very very high velocity in a circle.


Thus the electric and the magnetic fields must both force these aetheric  charges in the same direction if both are used.


In addition a source of such "aetheric charges" is desirable, spark gaps and other ionization is a good source.
Also it is good if they have a narrow space to move through, and it is good if that space is optically transparent, so 2 concentric metal cylinders charged with a narrow gap in between would be a good setup with a charge between the cylinders ideally.

John
Title: Re: The Concentric Capacitor - Key to the Kapanadze Device and similar FE Concepts?
Post by: antimony on February 01, 2017, 05:30:23 PM
What would be the best way to make a concentric capacitor?
Title: Re: The Concentric Capacitor - Key to the Kapanadze Device and similar FE Concepts?
Post by: Zeitmaschine on February 01, 2017, 06:40:04 PM
A classic Leyden Jar perhaps? :)

Quote
Splitting the positive source away from the negative source appears to me
to be the correct approach.

This results in a high voltage source with infinite resistance. How to accomplish this with traditional circuitry? Maybe a high voltage transformer with two high voltage coils, each has one lead connected and one open, one connected lead is positive and one is negative?

And I'm still waiting for parts from China ... :(
Title: Re: The Concentric Capacitor - Key to the Kapanadze Device and similar FE Concepts?
Post by: Zephir on February 02, 2017, 01:19:15 PM
In dense aether model the vacuum behaves like elastic material, similar to foam. The foam can mediate both the transverse waves (which spread in similar way, like the ripples at the water surface), both longitudinal (scalar) waves, which could be imagined like the pressure waves of the underwater. The common antenna dipoles are supposed to radiate transverse waves only, the radiator of scalar waves should consist of just two concentric spheres with alternating voltage between them - i.e. just like the concentric capacitor. The concentric capacitor is the electrostatic analogy of bifilar coil in electrodynamics - this arrangement of electrodes is not supposed to radiate the energy into an outside, because the spherical antennae aren't supposed to radiate (https://www.physicsforums.com/threads/can-a-spherically-symmetric-antenna-radiate.180027/) in Maxwell theory due to charge conservation.

What makes this arrangement interesting for overunity forum is, that the device which can radiate some wave can in principle serve as a detector of them as well. And the vacuum is supposed to be a full of scalar waves, which manifest itself like the quantum fluctuations. The transverse portion of these fluctuations is detectable directly even with common antennae like so-called microwave background radiation. And the scalar wave portion should be even more intensive. The point there is, the charged capacitor should serve like the rectifier of electric field formed with these fluctuations, because its voltage drop creates the similar space-charge like the  space charge region at the PN junction of semiconductor diode. On this principle so-called captret (http://overunity.com/9878/captret-capacitor-and-electret/#.WJMpWZfLJyA) is reportedly working.