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### Author Topic: The Concentric Capacitor - Key to the Kapanadze Device and similar FE Concepts?  (Read 55085 times)

#### Zeitmaschine

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##### The Concentric Capacitor - Key to the Kapanadze Device and similar FE Concepts?
« on: December 16, 2016, 10:40:24 AM »
A summarization of the latest findings and theories regarding Aether powered electric free energy devices.

Writing things down helps thinking.

+++ IDENTIFYING A NOVEL PHYSICAL PRINCIPLE +++

As a starter we take a quick look at the »free energy spark« setup as depicted below. One side of the secondary coil of a (50Hz) high voltage transformer is connected to a spark gap while the other side stays open. The second side of the spark gap is connected to a metallic (grounded) object. When the voltage exceeds the breakdown voltage of the surrounding air, a spark occurs. Since there is no closed electric circuit on the high voltage side Lenz's law is not applicable, therefore - as expected - an ammeter connected to the primary coil (via inverter) does not show any increase of current while sparking. But if so, then where is the energy coming from that creates that sparking?

A spark gap also acts as a capacitor. One plate is neutral, the other plate alternates between either a lack of electrons (positive) or a surplus of electrons (negative). This creates a temporary distortion (an electric field) in the Aether (the Aether which is non-existent in modern science) between the electrodes of the spark gap (the plates). As soon as the breakdown of the air occurs the sudden flow of electrons short-circuits that distortion of the Aether. Since there is no time for the distortion to relax gradually and thus giving its energy back to space, the energy of the distorted Aether manifests itself as spark. And strictly speaking, the stored energy in a capacitor is not stored in the capacitor plates but in the Aether between those plates.

Then what about an ordinary capacitor, let's say 1 Farad? If one charges that capacitor with a certain amount of energy and then he shorts that capacitor abruptly, then, according to the above theory, that quick discharge should release more energy than previously stored in the capacitor, shouldn't it?

And so it is. Here is a video (in German) that demonstrates that effect nicely.

Freie Energie »Kalter Strom« Präsentation

First he charges that big capacitor with low current (thin cold wire), then he discharges it abruptly (because voltage is too low to create a spark for self-discharge) resulting in a high current (thick glowing wire). Quod erat demonstrandum.

His explanation about the principle of a magnetized Li-Ion accumulator comes without any physical foundation, and I think he knows that. Because he announces a new video coming up shortly that will show how to utilize that effect in a practical way. But now it is almost 6 years ago and we are still waiting for that sequel. Here the discussion about it, which led to nothing so far.

Tesla: »I reached 18 million horsepower activities, but that was always by this device: Energy stored in the condenser and discharged in an inconceivably small interval of time.«

This appears to me as if Tesla had this abruptly-discharge-a-condenser idea a long time ago as well. Now one could argue that charging a capacitor slowly and then discharging it quickly will always give more power but in return for a shorter period of time, hence there should be no energy gain. But then, why talks Tesla about »inconceivably small interval of time«? Why that extremely short time span?

Another example. When static high voltage is connected to the spark gap the sparking is extremely violent. The electric field created by the high voltage warps the Aether between the electrodes, resulting in a spark fed by additional energy coming from the Aether.

So far that means, it is practically possible to get energy from the Aether, although not lots of. Now the issue is, how to get USEFUL amounts of energy from the Aether, not just some sparks. How could we do that? By enlarging the capacitor, avoiding any sparking and then taking out the energy by appropriate means?

+++ LOOKING AT SCIENTIFIC PAPERS +++

»The Casimir effect is widely considered to hold the key to the extraction of energy from the Aether.«

»If we wanted to produce energy from the Aether, we would produce photons between strong charges. The ideal configuration would be strong charges arranged in a spherical form. Two spherical objects (of strong charge) held a certain distance apart produce a capacitance. The ratio of the spherically arranged strong charge to capacitance determines the amount of energy that results.« Quoted from Secrets of the Aether

»[...] now consider Fig. 6. Here I show a section of a concentric capacitor. That aether motion I mentioned is now not linear motion but rotary motion confined between the capacitor electrodes and so, when the capacitor voltage is reduced, that motion will have inertia and not dissipate by collisions which feed energy back into the enveloping aether. Instead, it will try to sustain the electric displacement, meaning that it will deploy its energy into the release of electrical energy which can be drawn from the capacitor.« Quoted from Our Future Energy Source - The Vacuum!, by Harold Aspden. (see illustrations below)

So here it is scientifically suggested to use a concentric capacitor (also called a »magic« capacitor) in order to get useful energy from the Aether. Could there be something to this thesis?

Besides, a concentric capacitor can also act as a Faraday cage. When the inner plate of a concentric capacitor is connected to high voltage, whereas the outer plate is connected to ground, then we have a charge inside a Faraday cage. »If the cage is grounded, the excess charges will go to the ground instead of the outer face [...]« This could generate a ground current depending on the intensity of the electric field inside the concentric capacitor (the Faraday cage). Is this the ground current measured during the demonstration of Kapanadze's green box setup?

Quote from Rapid and Decisive Solution of the World Energy Crisis and Global Warming, by T. E. Bearden:

»Presently most scientists and engineers keep thinking [...] that asymmetrical EFTV [energy from the vacuum] COP>1.0 EM systems are simple. In that odd and ill-informed view, if an EFTV inventor really 'has it' and knows what he is doing, then all he has to do is run down to Radio Shack, get some standard parts [...] and whomp them together, and then he's ready to put his system [...] directly into production and marketing. That entire prevailing viewpoint is a colossal joke.«

Considering that statement, it looks indeed as if we need a home-made component of some sort.

And of course »Don't kill the dipole« with that component. It's just not a nice thing to do.

+++ FAMOUS DEVICES +++

Quote:
»The one component which Kapanadze makes himself is the secret component that makes his device work.«

Thanks to those scientific papers now we do know as well what Kapanadze's secret is. It is a concentric capacitor. Self-made, because Radio Shack does not offer such a component for sale.

So then, could there be a possibility that someone could stumble upon such a capacitor by chance although it is not obtainable in any stores? What about a (three-phase) transformer? One coil wound upon the other can easily function as a concentric capacitor. »all magic happens 'Between coils'«, this enigmatic message from Guntis (alias cosmoLV) now makes sense. The so called »Stepanov transformer« seems to make somehow use of that coil-capacitor effect. Since each of the three single transformers normally consists of a primary coil, a secondary coil and a shared core, the number of possible connections are rather limited - and that should make things easier.

Another device that looks like a concentric capacitor is Turtur's »Zero Point Energy Rotor«. The inner plate of that capacitor rotates by means of high voltage. Here, as it appears, we can see in real life what Harold Aspden describes as »rotary Aether motion«. The strength of that Aether rotation does even create torque on visible objects not only at quantum level particles.

Next the »Steven Marks Toroidal Power Unit«. It is round in shape. Why? Because that round shape contains a concentric capacitor, which is stringently required to get energy from the Aether? That TPU reminds slightly on a flying saucer and the question Why are they round? It would be interesting by the way to know if the Kapanadze device - or even Testatika - reacts in the same intensive sparking way like the TPU when shorted. Then we can call this a free energy spark indeed.

Thesta Distatica or short Testatika. It works not with one but with six concentric capacitors. Albeit the question reads: are all those capacitors really essential or are some of them just there to have a few decorative elements? Anyhow, Aspden's figure 7 looks strangely like a diagram of the Testatika. Coincidences happen. More information about the Testatika machine, which Wikipedia won't let you know. At least the wrong schematic is still there (as yet).

Quote from Static on Moving Object Forms Magnetic Field:

»To the shaft of an electric motor, attach a disk of hard rubber, or an old phonograph record. Electrify the disk by rubbing it with a woolen cloth. Now start the motor. Place a small magnetic compass near the edge of the whirling disk, and the needle will be deflected, showing that it has been brought into a magnetic field.«

An electrostatic field is actually warped Aether. If strong enough it ionizes the air. Guntis calls this a »Dead Magnetic Field«. Assumed this static field (the ionization), instead of being moved mechanically, is set in rotary motion by itself within a capacitor (compare Aspden, Lecture No. 27) and then disturbed by the magnetic field created by electrons moving through a wire nearby. Then will that static (rotating) field also create (add) a magnetic field in that wire? Guntis names this process »activate these electrons«.

Kapanadze's Sadolin (paint) tin can setup. It is grounded (as one side of the load is) and an orange wire comes out of it connected to the load. The color of the correlating wire of the Testatika tin can is red (respectively blue). The same is true for the alleged replication of the Testatika. Coincidence? Testatika generates static high voltage pulses to feed the round condensers (Leyden Jars) by means of a turning wheel (or two). Does Kapanadze generate these pulses without moving any mechanic parts just by applying alternating voltage? Also could it be that the round tin canister in itself is a concentric capacitor?

Below the photographs of two of Kapanadze's three-phase setups for comparison (blue coils, grey coils with capacitor bank). The energy output of each device is supposed to be 100KW, accordingly the capacitors are rather large in contrast to the small tin can powering the 5KW device. Here the outer plate is a coil the inner plate is not visible. The load is connected to the coil and ground. And that gives me headaches. Because both, the load and the capacitor plate (tin can) are grounded, then where to connect the high voltage? Maybe to an additional third capacitor plate?

New on the (YouTube) market, D-1943. As was expected, the website presents no blueprints of D-1943 so far. The stated weight is about 95kgs. That's rather heavy compared with Kapanadze's 2004 setup. In a video the inner plates of the capacitors are visible. It is a metallic tube wrapped with wire. The result is a concentric capacitor. As it seems this device needs two of them, giving it a Testatika like look; coincidences happen. Also strange: There are two wires leading to each of the metallic tubes. So the conclusion could be that an inner metallic tube is placed within the outer metallic tube, what makes that a three-plate capacitor (the outermost plate is the coil). But what about that peculiar rotating wheel? Decoration only? Kapanadze devices do not need such a thing.

The Hendershot Generator. The main components are two basket weave coils containing a capacitor. But »containing« does not mean simply placing a factory-made capacitor from Radio Shack inside the coil. It means each coil has to contain a concentric capacitor, so the coil itself is the outermost plate of the capacitor. Hence all replications without that concentric coil-capacitor won't work or they are hoax. The drawing of the coil shows a concentric capacitor inside four coils. Therefore that design is actually a three-plate capacitor (compare with D-1943) and it works without transistors or diodes (compare with Testatika).

Daniel Mcfarland Cook. This setup consists of no more than two cross-connected electric elements. Each element comprises a coil and one coil-capacitor in concentric arrangement. Thus these elements are two concentric three-plate capacitors and transformers in one. Sounds familiar (compare Stepanov transformer).

Nilson Barbosa and Cleriston De Moraes Leal. Actually I don't know what to make of this patent. But again something sounds familiar in that patent specification: »[...] one electromagnetic field generating device [...] powered by a power source [...] having their core or extension of them, [...] wrapped by at least one common conductive member in a closed circuit on itself [...] biased with a [high?] voltage which is powered by induction by least one conductive element interconnection that is connected to a ground grid, [...] provoke, as a new technical effect, the appearance of an electric current which remains circulating in the conductor element in a closed circuit on itself [...]« So we have here a closed circuit and the appearance of an electric current in that closed circuit as novel effect (compare Mcfarland Cook). Just another odd coincidence? Furthermore Barbosa and Leal are well acquainted with three-phase systems.

The Searl Effect Generator. There are three metallic rings forming two concentric capacitors and the air between those rings gets ionized, as explained in this video Searl Effect Full Disclosure. Unfortunately that story is much too big for Wikipedia so they made the decision to censor it.

The Hubbard Coil. One inner coil surrounded by eight outer coils, connected to high voltage via a step-up transformer. Thus the coils are forming a concentric capacitor, whereas the high voltage takes care of the ionization between those coils. »It takes the power from air and turns out an electric current.« Of course »He declined to go into detail in regard to the exact manner in which he managed to extract power from radium« because this is nonsense, but apparently more believable at that time than electricity out of thin air.

The device of T. H. Moray. Is this device just a black box or do we perhaps find a touch of enlightenment nearby? On an old photograph we see two cylinders reminiscent of metallic tubes wrapped with wire, which makes them two concentric capacitors along with a coil to the right. Startling enough it fits Harold Aspden's figure 7 precisely. The output power rating is said to be hundred watts.

The unexplained Lithuania yoke device. It also makes use of a concentric capacitor, but surprisingly only half of such, as demonstrated here Working OU device Video from Wesley, along with some Quotes:

stivep
»again the strength of the field was tremendous«

cosmoLV
»if you once get this magnetic field - you will be amazed«
»I'm sure that you will not post schematics!«

stivep
»-pain in the part of the head. Felt similar to mechanical impact.«

So that implies - in terms of physics - that something extraordinary was going on, not written in the textbooks and it could be venturesome to post schematics. Anyhow, a magnetic field created by just a few watts input that can injure your head is surely a good reason to be amazed.

Also the webmaster hosting the files of the yoke device was apparently most amazed, so he deleted the tutorial files quickly between January 2012 and March 2012, keeping only the Lithuania Experiment without any sign of the yoke device and its existence.

As specified in that how-to guide the yoke device is powered by two generators G1 and G2, synchronized with each other. One frequency is 50Hz. Now coincidentally the Stepanov transformer setup comprises a frequency doubler circuit, thus it runs also on two frequencies, 50Hz and 100Hz phase-locked (synchronized).

Stepanov's secret frequency doubler. As with the yoke device, which runs on two different frequencies, obviously the Stepanov transformer also needs two input frequencies. Otherwise the frequency doubler circuit briefly visible under the cardboard box would make no sense. It consists of a diode bridge, a capacitor (two connected together) and a barely visible power resistor. A diode bridge and a capacitor is also part of Kapanadze's tin can device. There is also a diode bridge attached to Kapanadze's hydraulic generator. Hence, do the Kapanadze and Stepanov devices absolutely need DC in order to work, although AC goes in and AC comes out? But if it would turn out that no frequency doubler (or some other higher frequency above 50Hz) is required, even better.

The mystery of Tesla's Aether powered car (see attachment). Mystery number one: It is said, an antenna rod of 6 feet length was fitted to Tesla's Pierce-Arrow sedan. What for? It would be weird at the very least, if Kapanadze can run his device without an antenna, but the master of electricity, Tesla, needed one. Mystery number two: No mention of any round shaped object (resembling a capacitor) not belonging to the car, except the 80-hp electric motor perhaps, which replaced the combustion engine. So was Tesla's electric car a hoax? Hard to believe in light of the fact that in the following decades after Tesla's test drive one electric free energy device after the other popped up at someplace - although each time without a detailed construction manual, unfortunately.

My sparking test: By connecting four small 50Hz transformers together and to 220V/50Hz via a frequency doubler, the same tiny bluish spark like Kapanadze's one can be produced. Therefore, neither a TV's flyback transformer, nor a bulky microwave oven transformer, nor high-tech semiconductors are required for that. Further, if there is no electronics, there is also no need for a DC power supply, meaning the diode bridge and the capacitor are most likely working as a frequency doubler circuit as previously already suspected. Of course I don't think that a spark is required at all to get amounts of energy from the Aether. The same is true for a classic Tesla coil.

+++ DRAWING CONCLUSIONS +++

Substantiated by scientific papers the concentric capacitor seems to be the key for receiving energy from space (the Aether). All above mentioned (free) energy-from-Aether devices are comprising at least one concentric shaped component which can act as a capacitor (except Tesla's car, but attributed to a lack of information). Certainly this could all be by accident - if we disregard any plausibility. Thus, having reached that state of knowledge, the question is no longer if there exists a so far unknown physical phenomena, but how it could be practically applied. And as a consequence the writing of Victor Grig »Principle of work of Tariel Kapanadze's device« also turns out to be just based on wild speculations instead of facts, for the reason there is no mention of any special designed concentric components in that account.

So, what do we need? »There are 3 things« required in order to get energy from the Aether. Let's see, what that could be. First thing, a (three-plate) concentric capacitor. Second thing, high voltage for ionization. Third thing, two resonant frequencies. Granted, all these three things are still tagged with the adverbs »probably« and »presumably«.

Do we require a so called parametric excitation? Maybe, maybe not. »The first order or the principal parametric resonance is achieved when the driving/excitation frequency is twice the natural frequency of a given system.« The natural frequency of the Kapanadze and Stepanov devices is 50Hz, hence a frequency doubler circuit would provide the (phase-locked) excitation frequency of 100Hz. But exciting an electric circuit parametrically will not result in any energy gain if the circuit does not comprise a component that can tap into an existing energy source, which in this case - according to all we know as yet - should be the Aether.

Maybe my assumptions are still wrong in part, but at least I think I'm close, very close.

(to be continued)

#### Zeitmaschine

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##### The Concentric Capacitor - Key to the Kapanadze Device and similar FE Concepts?
« Reply #1 on: December 16, 2016, 10:45:41 AM »
More attachments.

Slightly off-topic, the Lüling permanent magnet motor (similar to the Perendev motor principle, similar to the Ylidiz motor principle), presented in the UFA-Wochenschau 498/1966 (click the play-icon next to 'Cut 1'), vanished since then. Because magnetism is also a property of the Aether, it is reasonable to assume that a permanent magnet motor has to tap into that source of energy as well, although the method is different. The method is to shield (neutralize) the magnets properly, so the magnetic field remains in a constant state of imbalance. However, that creation of imbalance in the surrounding Aether should also be the basic principle of Aether powered electric free energy devices.

And since this is all about warping the Aether but not the pages of this forum due to oversize images (greater than 800px width), the solution to that is a Firefox plugin called Stylish. Just in case we copy the following lines into that plugin:

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width:805px!important;
overflow:auto;
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#### shylo

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##### Re: The Concentric Capacitor - Key to the Kapanadze Device and similar FE Concepts?
« Reply #2 on: December 16, 2016, 11:16:04 AM »
Hi Zeitmachine,

You said,

"The method is to shield (neutralize) the magnets properly, so the magnetic field remains in a constant state of imbalance.

I think it is more that the magnetic field has to be placed properly in the right location , I don't think you can cancel the field without costing alot more in than what you get out.
In my rotor when the fields were active one after another they were fighting each other.
Now they activate 120 deg. apart and it works much better now.
But I'm dealing with 12 coils.
Just my opinion.
artv

#### Zeitmaschine

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##### Re: The Concentric Capacitor - Key to the Kapanadze Device and similar FE Concepts?
« Reply #3 on: December 16, 2016, 02:10:24 PM »
Maybe studying the permanent magnet motor patents could help finding the best positions for the magnets.

Here a little supplement, because above there was not enough room for more attachments.

Alexander V. Frolov: The Work that is Created by Means of Potential Field

According to Frolov, the DC ammeter does not measure an increase of current (rather a decrease) when the incandescent light bulb is lit by the current going through the spark gap. This confirms the theory (see at the beginning) that a capacitor can provide additional energy - coming from the Aether - when discharged rapidly. And I think Frolov's explanation (pinch-effect, additional kinetic energy) is therefore inaccurate.

#### jbignes5

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##### Re: The Concentric Capacitor - Key to the Kapanadze Device and similar FE Concepts?
« Reply #4 on: December 16, 2016, 06:15:08 PM »

So The capacitor was the focus. We know this due to Tesla's disruptive discharge circuits.

The thing that got Tesla was the Caps could not take the abuse of the disruption or quick dumping of it's capacity. This is what lead him to the coil/cap discovery. The Bifilar coil includes the capacity in it's design. It was used after the transformer as an extra coil. But the coil also was a Capacitor that could handle extreme Dumps of the capacitance and it would radiate better due to the reduction of reluctance that a natural inductance shows. The only thing with bifilars is they don't have self induction and tend to speed up impulses fed into either end. In essence a special transformer can be made with a bifilar primary wrapped with a solenoid secondary. As the impulse fills the capacitance of the bifilar coil it can induce all of the direction of the bifilar coil is moving in. The impulse fills the capacity then rebounds back out of the coil back to the origination of the impulse. This has an effect on the solenoid that changes polarity depending on the direction the capacitor is getting charged or dumping charge and is a normal form of AC.
Once you know that the spark gap is the entrance to energy it makes all sense. The gap when discharging is full of plasma and that plasma is highly conductive. It can draw in energy trough that gap rhythmically. Timing the system to open the lock and then allow it to suck in energy is the way to go here.

Capacitors as an entity are useless in these kinds of systems for two reasons. Cost of maintenance and life cycle limits.

What was in the Can was an oil filled transformer with the capacitance built right in. The oil increases the capacitance breakdown level and Tesla used it to exclude air from the transformer to allow a higher ability to do work without breaking down the air and so did TK.

Picture 1: Is the system in two flavors. Closed and open. Normal and single terminal mode.
One side note is that the orientation must be kept between the secondary and the extra coils. They must not be effected by the secondaries magnetic production.
One other note is the inclusion of a ground wire inside of the transformer in figure one of the first picture. Look familiar?

Picture 2: Is what he first tried using normal caps. Saltwater bath as one plate and milk bottles filled with salt water as the other terminal. He kept breaking the bottles while using the system.

Picture 3: Is the bifilar coil with included capacitance and near zero self induction that he recommends using as the extra coil and end capacitance or top load.
Side note: Oil bath for the bifilar coils results in better efficiency and less chance of a break down in the coil of the capacitance.

Further reference to oil baths and transformers in oil and the reasoning for it here: http://www.tfcbooks.com/tesla/1892-02-03.htm

#### jbignes5

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##### Re: The Concentric Capacitor - Key to the Kapanadze Device and similar FE Concepts?
« Reply #5 on: December 16, 2016, 07:17:36 PM »

Lets look at this in detail:

The feeding mechanism is left out but it includes other discoveries by Tesla. Like the disruptive discharge circuit which in this case would go to the left of the transformer. Some other discoveries like making the primary a bifilar coil also are nopt included in this.

If we look at the sequence below we can see how this operates in this section of the device. Adding appropriate virtual grounds like the body of a car and antenna is another addition that can be used. In tk's version he used two ground points like Tesla instructed at figure 4 bottom right.

If we understand that the Earth has a capacity then we see how each point in that diagram depicts access to a capacitance and how to simulate it via the bifilar methods by replacing the capacitance with an open ended bifilar coil..

In the case of adding a ground to the center of the transformer core, well it makes sense because the amount of current you can increase by the capacitance of the earth makes the secondary have increased access to current from the ground. This is a charge pump in essence that uses great capacity to move energy out from the earth into our system and then allow it to refill from the atmosphere naturally. Like pumping oil from the ground so to speak. In this case we want an AC component to eventually flow out of this system so current must go both ways into and out of the ground.

So, what if we replace the capacitances on each end with the capacitances of the bifilar coils and connect each free terminal to a virtual ground like the antenna and body of a car? Wouldn't the current flow anyways like both ends were connected ? Wouldn't that flow also draw in more plasma and raise the density between the free ends of the extra coils.
« Last Edit: December 17, 2016, 01:43:35 AM by jbignes5 »

#### Zeitmaschine

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##### Re: The Concentric Capacitor - Key to the Kapanadze Device and similar FE Concepts?
« Reply #6 on: December 16, 2016, 10:45:23 PM »
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The gap when discharging is full of plasma and that plasma is highly conductive. It can draw in energy trough that gap rhythmically. Timing the system to open the lock and then allow it to suck in energy is the way to go here.

A spark gap is a fast switch and at the same time a low-ohm load because it dissipates light, heat, sound and radio waves. Therefore it can draw energy from the Aether in two ways: a) it shorts the capacitor consisting of the two spark gap electrodes (self-shorting) so the warped Aether between the electrodes powers the spark (but we are unable to make much use of that energy), b) it shorts an external capacitor at lightning speed trough a load (see Frolov) so the warped Aether between the plates of that large capacitor can power the load for free.

But this is only true if a common factory-made capacitor is used. When using a concentric capacitor there is no need for a spark gap. Here we can draw the additional energy coming from the Aether by induction with the help of resonant frequencies. That's the theory so far.

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What was in the Can was an oil filled transformer with the capacitance built right in.

You could show me the location of the oil filled transformer that powers the Steven Marks TPU. Also the capacitors (cans) of the Testatika are rather unsuitable to be filled with oil. The Hendershot device shows no sign of any oil-filled parts as well.

Therefore I think we should experimenting without oil for the time being.

#### jbignes5

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##### Re: The Concentric Capacitor - Key to the Kapanadze Device and similar FE Concepts?
« Reply #7 on: December 17, 2016, 01:29:45 AM »
Thats because those other inventors tried to do the same thing but in a different way so they could patent them. The real thing is the device TK used and the very device that Tesla has shown us.. In almost all of TK's videos he has a box or can that has the oil submerged capacitor/transformer in.

The back yard video, the in the house showing the investors demonstration and the Turkey display which should have the pedestals as the oil container.

There is a lot of flim flam in those videos to hide the real device but TK chose to hide it like in the aquarium version. Why he did was to get some cash out of it like Stivep reported. In fact I was approached by someone who wanted me to be the middle man in a transaction to getting the legit method but I turned it down. It isn't for sale because Tesla has given it to us for free.

Tesla's version is the best way to get energy via the pumping method. Either in a single terminal or dual terminal mode. Single terminal mode needs the ground so just understand that. The Dual terminal mode should be able to work without the ground via a virtual ground loop.

Let me ask you a question. Do we create plasma or does it exist all around us?

I am of the opinion that Tesla knew it was all around us and it gets attracted to the gap via the stress between the two electrodes or if it is high enough via a one terminal. We don't create energy but we can attract the carrier of it in great densities. Thats what a Spark gap does. It attracts plasma to the gap via the steep voltage differential of the electrodes. It flows to the potentials like water flows down hill, except in a 3d way instead of 2d surface that water flows on. Plasma is not created and it is not a state of matter. It is simply plasma and matter divides and draws energy from the plasma. Plasma is everywhere only in differing densities and environmental potentials.

A coronal discharge is the plasma moving and being energized by the high potential terminal. Even if that terminal has only one terminal. Hence why the beautiful brushes form even on that single terminal. A magnetic field is just such a thing as well. It is plasma attracted and locked into matter in the case of a magnet. The field being locked into the matter as it phase changes. Most likely raised in density, which packs it between the matters atoms and forms the flows outside of that magnet by the increased density of plasma around the magnet as it is formed. Like filling a balloon and tying it off to enjoy the whole day.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corona_discharge#/media/File:Plasma_wheel_2_med_DSIR2018.jpg
The plasma is not emitted but attracted to the tips of this wheel. It is then revealed by intensification of the plasma as it approaches the tips via condensing of the density of the plasma. This of course allows the plasma to conduct better and it gets more intense as it heads twords the tips.

So back to the gap. When the plasma condenses and conducts the gap space it can and will draw in energy that was carried by the plasma moving twords the gap as it condenses. Each impulse drawing more energy from the collected plasma of each impulse. Each firing of the gap draws in new plasma and new energy. Thats how come the disruptive discharge circuit works so well. It doesn't rely on the capacity so to speak. It does use it but the energy doesn't come from the Caps. It comes into the system when the spark gap breaks down. Thats where all of the effects you mentioned come from. It's not the cap but the gap that is important. A gap doesn't dissipate anything. It radiates after the discharge ends. That is the plasma going back out into the environment in a broadband emission way, sorta like thw way an E.M.P. works.

Well this is a far as I have gotten so far until I can start my own work on this area.. I'm still working on something else on the bench atm.

Reference for plasma being around a magnet by intensifying the plasma and showing the magnetic structure:   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2B-lKgcQJvg

This addendum to my take on this comes from further research into Tesla's experiments. I try to reference to the exact material as I do. Listen I don't know for sure about all of this but I am 85% sure it is correct based on researching Tesla's papers and experiments. TK did nothing more then duplicate the experiments that Tesla was doing. Nothing more and nothing less. Tk tried to hide the source but in his videos he let slip that it was all from Tesla's experiments. In fact in one video it shows the documentation he used for the devices he presented over the years. This stuff works you just need to research Tesla's work and put it all together for yourself. I have shown a good amount of references for you guys to use in your quest to find OU. Well energy that we don't have to supply a fuel for. It is more then possible, it is fact done by the master of Electrical events, Tesla.

Read and learn then read some more and look at it from way back to see the whole picture and how one experiment led to the other. How it fits in the grand scheme of it all...
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#### Cherryman

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##### Re: The Concentric Capacitor - Key to the Kapanadze Device and similar FE Concepts?
« Reply #8 on: December 17, 2016, 12:46:16 PM »
In my humble opinion you can also add the inventions of Otis C . Carr to this list.

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« Reply #9 on: December 17, 2016, 02:20:05 PM »
Otis T. Carr's Amusement Device, don't know if this is something real working or for amusement only. For example: »Each simulated electro-magnet 86 may be formed in horse shoe shape out of any suitable sheet material, and is provided with tubing or the like 88 around a portion thereof to simulate the winding of an electro-magnet. I further prefer to secure a plurality of plates 90 in spaced relation around the upper face of the rotating assembly 14 to simulate capacitor plates in a space craft.«

The count of the word »simulate« in that patent is rather high.

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Thats because those other inventors tried to do the same thing but in a different way so they could patent them.

You contradicting yourself. Kapanadze also patented his device, purportedly filled with oil. But if a device of other inventors works best without oil then why bother filling up something with oil?

Back to the spark gap. A capacitor under high voltage is basically the same like a spark gap under high voltage. The difference is, the (concentric) capacitor does normally not spark, so we can draw energy from the warped Aether between its plates by appropriate means, whereas the spark gap draws energy from the warped Aether between its plates (electrodes) by self-sort-circuiting when the breakdown voltage of the surrounding air is exceeded, producing a spark that wastes the energy coming from the Aether.

Thus, a spark gap is a nice thing to play around with while doing experiments, but the real energy collector is the capacitor.

And interesting in itself, so far no one else commented here on the concentric capacitor theme. Neither thumbs-up nor thumbs-down. I would guess why ...

#### Cherryman

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##### Re: The Concentric Capacitor - Key to the Kapanadze Device and similar FE Concepts?
« Reply #10 on: December 17, 2016, 02:48:32 PM »
Otis T. Carr's Amusement Device, don't know if this is something real working or for amusement only. For example: »Each simulated electro-magnet 86 may be formed in horse shoe shape out of any suitable sheet material, and is provided with tubing or the like 88 around a portion thereof to simulate the winding of an electro-magnet. I further prefer to secure a plurality of plates 90 in spaced relation around the upper face of the rotating assembly 14 to simulate capacitor plates in a space craft.«
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That patent is more about the "flying operations ", less about the operating principle of the engine/energy.

In his own words:

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Mel Shironey : 0:31:59 What charges this battery?

Otis T. Carr : 0:32:01 This starts out... electrochemically... the same as other batteries. But we do have a regenerating system... that is very unique. We are able here... for the first time... to our knowledge... to use... atmospheric electricity... as a recharging system. This is done... as a part of the operational principal of the craft. Now it's capacitor plates...

Mel Shironey : 0:32:22 Wait a minute... just a minute. You say you use... atmospheric... as... electricity?
Otis T. Carr : 0:32:27 That's right.

Mel Shironey : 0:32:28 What happens... when you leave the atmosphere... and there isn't any atmosphere?
Otis T. Carr : 0:32:33 We have the electrochemical system... then to provide us with all the energy that we need. And have a regenerating system... in the manner of a regenerative coil... that a... recharge this battery... in the same manner... in which... your storage battery in your automobile is recharged now by a generator.

Mel Shironey : 0:32:53 If I understand the implications of what you're saying... it would appear to me... and I must confess... almost complete ignorance in this field. That what you have done... is... made the first... perpetual motion machine.

Otis T. Carr : 0:33:08 There is nothing... perpetual about our machine. The energies which cause it to operate are perpetual. You cannot destroy matter... you cannot destroy energy. Molecular flow... is perpetual and has been proven. In the laboratory they have proven that... electricity itself is immortal. When we take away resistance... you can set up a spark of electricity... and it will continue to operate... a... therefore... we have perpetual... energy. No machine that we can conceive of made by man would be perpetual... but with... it is... free energy. It is... self energizing. And as long... as all parts function... and... do not wear out... this is truly... a... self energizing machine.

#### jbignes5

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##### Re: The Concentric Capacitor - Key to the Kapanadze Device and similar FE Concepts?
« Reply #11 on: December 17, 2016, 06:16:10 PM »
Otis T. Carr's Amusement Device, don't know if this is something real working or for amusement only. For example: »Each simulated electro-magnet 86 may be formed in horse shoe shape out of any suitable sheet material, and is provided with tubing or the like 88 around a portion thereof to simulate the winding of an electro-magnet. I further prefer to secure a plurality of plates 90 in spaced relation around the upper face of the rotating assembly 14 to simulate capacitor plates in a space craft.«

The count of the word »simulate« in that patent is rather high.

You contradicting yourself. Kapanadze also patented his device, purportedly filled with oil. But if a device of other inventors works best without oil then why bother filling up something with oil?

Back to the spark gap. A capacitor under high voltage is basically the same like a spark gap under high voltage. The difference is, the (concentric) capacitor does normally not spark, so we can draw energy from the warped Aether between its plates by appropriate means, whereas the spark gap draws energy from the warped Aether between its plates (electrodes) by self-sort-circuiting when the breakdown voltage of the surrounding air is exceeded, producing a spark that wastes the energy coming from the Aether.

Thus, a spark gap is a nice thing to play around with while doing experiments, but the real energy collector is the capacitor.

And interesting in itself, so far no one else commented here on the concentric capacitor theme. Neither thumbs-up nor thumbs-down. I would guess why ...

Those ideas don't work best. They emit dangerous by products. Didn't the yoke experiment teach you anything?

The reason I suggest using oil is because it reduces the shorts due to sparking. The best way to get rid of failures in the wire is to use the oil bath. It is the exact thing they use in pole transformers, except that is very toxic in that example. Mineral oil can be used without toxic byproducts. Also having a coil exposed to the air allows for Corona discharge which is a waste of energy in any system. Plus the oil will secure the maximum output that a coil will be able to handle. This is already well known and used today for line transformers in our current system.

A capacitor is nothing like a spark gap. It has a dielectric in between the plates that stops shorting or arcing. We don't want to stop the arc since it is the pivotal point where energy gets injected into the system. When you try to replace the gap things get dangerous because of the wave form that results is RF. Huge RF fields are very dangerous to humans because the waveform swings both sides of the zero line. Take a wire of solder and stretch it between something. Now grab it in the middle and swing it up and down across the solders plane. After a few seconds the solder snaps. Now do the same and only swing the solder in one direction from the plane and it will hold. A nice little analogy.

A spark gap is not a play thing it is the pivotal device that allows this system to work. The capacitor is not the pivotal device that allows this system to work. It is one of many but not the source of power. You could liken this to the cylinder of a car engine. It isn't the source of the energy that ignites the fuel, it is merely a part of the device. What facilitates the fuel to burn and release it's bound plasma is the Spark.

Aether is nothing more then plasma. It is everywhere and in everything to a degree. The degree or density of the plasma dictates the energy within the matter. Destroy the matter and it will release it's bound Aether and emit energy as the plasma expands back to it's local environmental constant.

Also You mentioned the breakdown of air. What does that mean to you?

To me it isn't the air that breaks down. It is the plasma that condenses across the gap via the potential gradient between those two electrodes. That concept of air breaking down comes from the matter scientists who believe that matter contains energy and thats where energy comes from. Well it doesn't.. The plasma is the source of matters access to energy and yes matter can contain energy but only in the sense that it has bound plasma streams in between the atoms. When you disrupt the matter it releases the bound plasma stream and they explode outwards relaxing to their normal form in the environment they reside in. If the mean density of the plasma streams in the environment is at 2 volts per centimeter then what happens when you compress those streams in between the atoms of matter? They raise in potential due to z-pinch rules, plasma scientists have already proven this. It is this pinching rule that gives matter its potential and energy and nothing else.

You speak of the spark gap drawing it's energy from the warped Aether between the plates(Electrodes). Isn't plasma conductive? Isn't plasma everywhere? The spark isn't a waste it is a fraction of a second where it has an increased connection to the Universe filled with plasma in condensed form. Again what happens when you pinch a plasma stream? Look up z-pinch... Once you know these additional observations things change.

I hope this helps a bit.

Also I mentioned plasma streams. Where do they come from and where are they going? Well plasma streams are Earth-centric and come from the Sun in the form of the solar wind. Charged particles of hydrogen and Helium stream off of the Sun radially and after the sun packs the in between area with plasma the streams emit out of the Sun.

Why would the streams want to go towards the Earth.. Well matter displaces the Plasma to a degree. This causes a vacuum to the plasma and draws it into the apex of the Earths interior and deposit most of their energy and exit out at the poles forming the polar magnetism we see and the Earth magnetic field is formed from condensed plasma around our planet. The layers we see in our atmosphere are a direct result of transitions of plasma density(also called double layers) and is the reason why there is a voltage gradient from ground to ionosphere. The density dictating the voltage level from one point to the next going towards the Earth. This is because the streams are getting pinched as they get closer to the ground via matter displacement and matter feeding off of the energy being conveyed and gained in the pinching process. The closer to the ground you get the more matter there is and the less the plasma can conduct. This doesn't stop at the Earths crust either. It continues as it goes towards the central point also going into the negative potion of potential. This is the reason the interior is molten. The closer the streams come the more they have to transfer the same amount of energy through a smaller tube of the streams, as an example refer back to the picture of the electric wheel I have shown. This might include stream loss which is converted to heat and other effects we see..

The one thing I am still working on is the surface debacle of 0 volts. It might be due to the process being a bit different then I suggest. The atmosphere process is the same but at the surface junction there is a mirror effect and the poles go inward and out at the surface to meet the other polarity of plasma. It is accepted  that inside of the planet the potential should be -365k volts with the surface being a double layer of 0 volts and the ionosphere being at +365k volts. The surface is the zero line and fits the idea perfectly. The planet is a 3 plate capacitor for all intent and purpose. And the flows that happen between each plate dictate many natural phenomena we see today. From Eruptions of volcanoes to storms on the surface. That is probably the best example I can give. But it isn't the Earth that drives the system. Plasma does. Without it nothing could know that anything else existed out side of it's body. Plasma is the reason for induction as well or the ability for a cap to present a voltage difference to each plate across a distance, it is also respnsible for all magnetic interactions, this is why we can simulate a magnetic field without a magnet. In a cap it is closed and not open in most cases. But a spark gap is open to it's environment and open to receiving energy from the Universe after the discharge initiates. Once that happens energy streams in to the short as it is collapsing following the direction of the short usually towards a ground or virtual ground.

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##### Re: The Concentric Capacitor - Key to the Kapanadze Device and similar FE Concepts?
« Reply #12 on: December 17, 2016, 07:17:21 PM »
Thanks for that first post, Zeitmaschine .  It's packed full of so much useful material.  I'm afraid to comment on it as a whole as there is at least a semester worth of study in there.

So many things start making sense when realize capacitors aren't just a component sitting on your circuit board, but are all over the place, anywhere there exists a difference in potentials.

When bifilar or in opposed coil is wound, it becomes a 'capacitor-coil' that has both inductive and dielectric properties, becoming susceptible to both magnetic and dielectric impulses.

If I understand correctly, the operating principle closely resembles the compression/expansion cycle of a regular combustion engine.  Magnetic energy is compressed between opposed fields then hit with a dielectric impulse (ironically also a spark) that causes it to briefly expand outward into a load plate/coil/core.

thanks

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« Reply #13 on: December 17, 2016, 07:50:15 PM »

The reason Tesla decided to get rid of the capacitors is that they are expensive and add additional components and maintenance to a system he wanted to make easier to use. You turn it on and walla it works every time. Very little maintenance would be used.

But if we look at the design of the bifilar coil we can see additional bonuses that Tesla was using.

In using an oscillator the idea is to have undamped oscillations. Using a regular solenoid wouldn't work for that because of the self induction of said coil. With the bifilar method the other strand of wire is interposed between the wraps which isolate the winding from itself. This not only incorporates a capacitance but also gets rid of the dampening self inductance. This is why he called them Extra coils. They don't work like regular coils with the self induction. An impulse can pass through the coil as if it had zero self induction, this means the impulse does not hamper itself. In fact the capacitance in this type of coil accelerates the impulses and reflects them back to the originating source if used in single terminal mode. In the case of the pictures I provided above the only coil to cause a dampening would be the secondary with both ends of the dual terminal system acting like accelerator reflectors. A way to increase the effect would be to put a large terminal on each end to facilitate the system to hold the potential as a virtual ground or Zero point to the capacitance of the bifilar coil.

This is one of my planned experiments. This is a guide and not a working system as yet..

Lets take this step by step.

The spark happens when the plasma has condensed enough to make the passage of the current possible. It seeks the ground state going through the second transformer and induces to the secondary a huge magnet movement.

After the spark has ceased the Secondary responds to the lack of activity by rebounding in the normal manner that solenoids do. This creates a sudo AC sign wave out of the Secondary. Each spark generates two movements in the secondary. An alternating current forms and rushes through the bifilar coils without self induction losses. The solenoid secondaries of the bifilar coils respond and generate a real AC movement in the solenoids induced from the bifilars without affecting the bifilars that much.

There are many experiments to do with this system I drew up from Tesla's designs. Only experimentation will figure this out. Right now I don't have the time to do such as I am busy with another experiment that is on my bench. Eventually I'll get to it but if someone has the inkling then go ahead and try it..

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##### Re: The Concentric Capacitor - Key to the Kapanadze Device and similar FE Concepts?
« Reply #14 on: December 17, 2016, 07:54:34 PM »
Dear Zeitmaschine.

Many thanks for starting such an interesting topic.

I was drawn to a file that you posted a long time ago.

There's quite a few electronics guys posting these days, I wonder if someone might like to pick up the gauntlet?

Cheers Graham.