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Author Topic: TinMan's "Over Faraday HV HHO production"  (Read 33113 times)

Offline i_ron

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Re: TinMan's "Over Faraday HV HHO production"
« Reply #90 on: December 21, 2016, 10:48:53 PM »
Titanium ... My friend Rick did a test with Medical grade 1/8th X 9 inch titanium rods. Tap water, 35 volts, 1.75 amps for 1/2 hour.

Doesn't look good as one rod severely pitted after just the one run. He notes that home ionizers use Platinum coated Titanium.

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Re: TinMan's "Over Faraday HV HHO production"
« Reply #91 on: December 22, 2016, 12:36:35 AM »
Titanium ... My friend Rick did a test with Medical grade 1/8th X 9 inch titanium rods. Tap water, 35 volts, 1.75 amps for 1/2 hour.

Doesn't look good as one rod severely pitted after just the one run. He notes that home ionizers use Platinum coated Titanium.

Ron


Thats no good..


What about graphite , carbon, ferrite,  quarts or other conductive minerals ?

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Re: TinMan's "Over Faraday HV HHO production"
« Reply #92 on: December 23, 2016, 10:46:59 PM »





Just a hasty pic of my setup, 15 volts, first run, tap water, a small leak, no gas... happy!

Ron


Edit: Not unexpected ... TDS is 021  (Total Disolved Solids)

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Re: TinMan's "Over Faraday HV HHO production"
« Reply #93 on: December 24, 2016, 12:19:32 AM »

Thats no good..


What about graphite , carbon, ferrite,  quarts or other conductive minerals ?
Lead is an interesting anode. It initially makes no oxygen as it forms a layer of oxide. This oxide is special as it conducts unlike other oxides and only forms a thin adhesive layer. Eventually oxygen  begins bubbling. The lead seems to last for ever, unlike stainless which often oxidises under heavy currents forming a  brown liquid probably full of toxic Cr 6+.
I can't remember the exact conditions but I managed to make ozone using lead electrodes in sodium carbonate solution with 20 or so volts. It came as quite a shock to smell the distinctive smell of ozone as at the time I did not know that ozone can be made by electrolysis of water.

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Re: TinMan's "Over Faraday HV HHO production"
« Reply #94 on: December 24, 2016, 11:33:10 PM »
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I can't remember the exact conditions but I managed to make ozone using lead electrodes in sodium carbonate solution with 20 or so volts. It came as quite a shock to smell the distinctive smell of ozone as at the time I did not know that ozone can be made by electrolysis of water.

That is a most interesting observation.  It is possible to generate
Ozone by electrolysis of certain salts but this (Sodium Carbonate)
is one I hadn't heard of.  Perhaps it is possible with Sodium
Bi-Carbonate (Baking Soda) as well.  Certainly worth a try.

It is possible that the Lead Dioxide electrode is a necessity and
that it functions as a catalyst for the generation of Ozone.

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Re: TinMan's "Over Faraday HV HHO production"
« Reply #95 on: December 25, 2016, 02:00:29 AM »
Lead is an interesting anode. It initially makes no oxygen as it forms a layer of oxide. This oxide is special as it conducts unlike other oxides and only forms a thin adhesive layer. Eventually oxygen  begins bubbling. The lead seems to last for ever, unlike stainless which often oxidises under heavy currents forming a  brown liquid probably full of toxic Cr 6+.
I can't remember the exact conditions but I managed to make ozone using lead electrodes in sodium carbonate solution with 20 or so volts. It came as quite a shock to smell the distinctive smell of ozone as at the time I did not know that ozone can be made by electrolysis of water.


Hmm I like it, lead is interesting...
They keep finding once in a while very ancient perfectly conserved bodies in lead coffins and a "special" fluid ..
It could be a conservational formula..  in more ways as one.
In our country lead is still considered as a good weather (long time) influence resistant material on roofs
In Alchemy it is a step-stone to gold * smile*
I do wonder if the oxidized layer has influence in production.[/size]


Would it be coïncedential if it would "lead"the way ?







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Re: TinMan's "Over Faraday HV HHO production"
« Reply #96 on: December 25, 2016, 02:17:02 AM »
A few weeks later s colleague needed to test some ozone detectors and I proubly mentioned that I could generate some for him without using sparks. I had packed up my electrolysis experiment by then so I used some stainless I had laying around. This time I was embarrassed as the same volts and carbonate failed to make any ozone. I figured the lead oxide electrode is a requirement for ozone production. Its easy enough for anyone to replicate, the voltage was between 20 to 30v, electrodes were lead strips about 1/4 to 1/2 inch wide and solution was DI water with enough carbonate to give plenty of bubbles but not too much as to lower the voltage required. Bicarb could work, otherwise boil the bicarb solution as it turns into carbonate in just a few mins.

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Re: TinMan's "Over Faraday HV HHO production"
« Reply #97 on: April 24, 2017, 02:36:09 PM »
Any updates on this investigation, its been months.

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Re: TinMan's "Over Faraday HV HHO production"
« Reply #98 on: April 25, 2017, 03:22:03 PM »
Lead is an interesting anode. It initially makes no oxygen as it forms a layer of oxide. This oxide is special as it conducts unlike other oxides and only forms a thin adhesive layer. Eventually oxygen  begins bubbling. The lead seems to last for ever, unlike stainless which often oxidises under heavy currents forming a  brown liquid probably full of toxic Cr 6+.
I can't remember the exact conditions but I managed to make ozone using lead electrodes in sodium carbonate solution with 20 or so volts. It came as quite a shock to smell the distinctive smell of ozone as at the time I did not know that ozone can be made by electrolysis of water.
Not ozone because the ozone gas(O3) only forms at high voltages on the ambient air.But seems like Chlorine(CI) which is used in the bleach. ;D

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Re: TinMan's "Over Faraday HV HHO production"
« Reply #99 on: April 25, 2017, 03:24:26 PM »
Lead is an interesting anode. It initially makes no oxygen as it forms a layer of oxide. This oxide is special as it conducts unlike other oxides and only forms a thin adhesive layer. Eventually oxygen  begins bubbling. The lead seems to last for ever, unlike stainless which often oxidises under heavy currents forming a  brown liquid probably full of toxic Cr 6+.
I can't remember the exact conditions but I managed to make ozone using lead electrodes in sodium carbonate solution with 20 or so volts. It came as quite a shock to smell the distinctive smell of ozone as at the time I did not know that ozone can be made by electrolysis of water.
Hi pomodoro,here is also a quote from wikipedia;"Ozone's odour is sharp, reminiscent of chlorine".

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Re: TinMan's "Over Faraday HV HHO production"
« Reply #100 on: April 25, 2017, 07:18:32 PM »
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I did not know that ozone can be made by electrolysis of water.
The high current density electrolysis of cooled mildly concentrated sulfuric or (even better) perchloric acid with lead or platinum anode is traditionally recommended for production of ozone in high concentrations (albeit the corona discharge in dry pure oxygen is more convenient). These solutions can be cooled down to -50 ┬░C without freezing and the concentration of ozone reaches nearly 20% of gas produced after then.
« Last Edit: April 26, 2017, 12:14:03 AM by Zephir »

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Re: TinMan's "Over Faraday HV HHO production"
« Reply #101 on: July 17, 2017, 08:40:17 AM »
Could Tinman's system be used in a boat to power its self?...
Self powered hydrogen boat called the Energy Observer is launched. http://www.energy-observer.org/en/#actu

I want to know when the HHO Tinman tugboat sets sail. As an admirer of his work I don't doubt it would be more efficient.

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Re: TinMan's "Over Faraday HV HHO production"
« Reply #102 on: July 17, 2017, 07:01:24 PM »
As far as I can tell there are three totally difference methods to use to break the bonds of the water molecules. One way is known to most in the scientific community as "Electrolysis" which was discovered in the mid 1800's or late 1700's. This is the absolute worst way to go about breaking the bonds of the water molecules. The electrolysis method is very energy intensive, added pollutants to our environment, and it turns good drinking water into poison. The other two methods are not so well known to the scientific community but many of us here know or have heard about. The voltage dissociation[/size] of the water molecules and the harmonic dissociation of the water molecules.


The guy here in this video has the harmonic way to break the bonds of the water molecules https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8KdcBoo5f0Q but he has no idea how to defeat the powers that be and his technology is just starting off having to go through their blocking processes designed to prevent technologies like these from becoming mainstream. He needs patents and a whole lot of other things before this technology can become viable and I am not sure he is up to the task of taking on those that sell energy right now.


The last of the three technologies is that of Dr. Dingle, Stanley Meyer, and a few others that figured it out, but it is Meyer that did all the work needed to get past the blocking of those that sell energy. Now that his patents are in the public domain anyone that figures it out can go right into mass production with it so that it is made affordable for the masses as that's the way the markets work. Open Source doesn't work for any technology that requires materials for it to be made as Open Source works for things like computer programs, software, and things that do not really exist in the real world. So if one tried to build just one of these known as making a "One Off" they are going to spend around $15k in trying to build a working Meyer type cell as those are the cost of building a "One Off," which is the most expensive way to go about building anything. With a show of hands how many of you have $15k to spend just to get the base system, consisting of the electronics and the complete voltage intensifier circuit, of Meyer's technology up and running? How many around the world have this kind of money to spend just to get something that can break the bonds of the water molecules and then have to turn around and buy other things so that they can actually make use of it, how many of you out there can afford this? Trust me as I know just what I am talking about for I have built these things and know just how much they cost to have made so I can tell you first hand most of you out there simply can not afford to build a "One Off." This is why this technology must go into mass production so that it will be affordable to the masses that need it most as to just dump the plans online will require the world to build "One Off's," and as I have just shown you most of the world's population can't afford to build a "One Off." So, when a company like mines shows up you are to give that company your full support if you want to see this technology ever make it to the marketplace in an affordable manor so that the masses can actually afford to buy it.


But anyway getting back to the topic at hand. These three ways are what we have to break the bonds of the water molecules and of those three ways only one is ready to go that is not energy intensive and destructive to our environment that has the ability to get past all of the blocking put in place by the powers that be and that technology is Meyer's technology as his patents are now in the public domain. So, the Voltage Dissociation of the water molecules is our best hope towards becoming energy independent right now and people need to get the idea out of their heads that Free Energy means that the technology will be cost free as that is a false view of reality.

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Re: TinMan's "Over Faraday HV HHO production"
« Reply #103 on: July 18, 2017, 02:03:55 AM »
The h2 powered catamaran sure looks great, but its hard to get real info about it. Is it really h2 powered or is it another multi million dollar scam?  My money is that its another scam. You may wonder why as it does sound like a plausible project. Well , unless its powered by luquified hydrogen, produced in Iceland, the project is not going to work all that well.  The boat seems to make power from the sun and convert extra energy into making hydrogen from sea water, which can be used at night as a power source, that's what I think it pretends to do. Well for a start, assuming it has enough solar panels to propel itself and make some hydrogen, it seems that hydrogen is not the best way to store electrical power. Batteries are superior from what I've read on the subject. But the real problem is that they claim to make hydrogen from sea water. In that case, instead of getting pure oxygen as the byproduct, they will get a lot of nasty chlorine gas as well. About as environmentally friendly as mustard gas.  There are a lot of nasty characters out there pretending to be nice and saving the world, keep an eye on these innovators for sure as they sure smell fishy.
Same goes for Peter Painter, burning methanol in a testube and saying it was hydrogen.

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Re: TinMan's "Over Faraday HV HHO production"
« Reply #104 on: July 18, 2017, 06:48:26 AM »
As far as I can tell there are three totally difference methods to use to break the bonds of the water molecules. One way is known to most in the scientific community as "Electrolysis" which was discovered in the mid 1800's or late 1700's. This is the absolute worst way to go about breaking the bonds of the water molecules. The electrolysis method is very energy intensive, added pollutants to our environment, and it turns good drinking water into poison. The other two methods are not so well known to the scientific community but many of us here know or have heard about. The voltage dissociation[/size] of the water molecules and the harmonic dissociation of the water molecules.


The guy here in this video has the harmonic way to break the bonds of the water molecules https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8KdcBoo5f0Q but he has no idea how to defeat the powers that be and his technology is just starting off having to go through their blocking processes designed to prevent technologies like these from becoming mainstream. He needs patents and a whole lot of other things before this technology can become viable and I am not sure he is up to the task of taking on those that sell energy right now.


The last of the three technologies is that of Dr. Dingle, Stanley Meyer, and a few others that figured it out, but it is Meyer that did all the work needed to get past the blocking of those that sell energy. Now that his patents are in the public domain anyone that figures it out can go right into mass production with it so that it is made affordable for the masses as that's the way the markets work. Open Source doesn't work for any technology that requires materials for it to be made as Open Source works for things like computer programs, software, and things that do not really exist in the real world. So if one tried to build just one of these known as making a "One Off" they are going to spend around $15k in trying to build a working Meyer type cell as those are the cost of building a "One Off," which is the most expensive way to go about building anything. With a show of hands how many of you have $15k to spend just to get the base system, consisting of the electronics and the complete voltage intensifier circuit, of Meyer's technology up and running? How many around the world have this kind of money to spend just to get something that can break the bonds of the water molecules and then have to turn around and buy other things so that they can actually make use of it, how many of you out there can afford this? Trust me as I know just what I am talking about for I have built these things and know just how much they cost to have made so I can tell you first hand most of you out there simply can not afford to build a "One Off." This is why this technology must go into mass production so that it will be affordable to the masses that need it most as to just dump the plans online will require the world to build "One Off's," and as I have just shown you most of the world's population can't afford to build a "One Off." So, when a company like mines shows up you are to give that company your full support if you want to see this technology ever make it to the marketplace in an affordable manor so that the masses can actually afford to buy it.


But anyway getting back to the topic at hand. These three ways are what we have to break the bonds of the water molecules and of those three ways only one is ready to go that is not energy intensive and destructive to our environment that has the ability to get past all of the blocking put in place by the powers that be and that technology is Meyer's technology as his patents are now in the public domain. So, the Voltage Dissociation of the water molecules is our best hope towards becoming energy independent right now and people need to get the idea out of their heads that Free Energy means that the technology will be cost free as that is a false view of reality.

There is a 4th way,which i am working on now-submerged carbon arc gas production.
Seems that there is also much talk of LENR associated with it-time will tell..

From this single system,you get carbohydrogen gas,heat and light output.
All these added together should result in COP>1.


Brad

 

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