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Author Topic: TD replications  (Read 109722 times)

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Re: TD replications
« Reply #360 on: April 22, 2021, 03:25:14 PM »
I put a set / array of 5 magnets on the test bench yesterday. I will try to give a
good written description rather than doing a drawing at this time.

The assembly..

Each magnet is  1 7/8 inches  long by 7/8 of an inch wide.
A magnetic pole is on this broad face.
Each magnet is 3/8 of an inch thick through from pole to pole.....

With the north poles of each magnet facing up, the five magnets
were clamped to a flat surface, edge to edge.

This formed a flat, rectangular single magnetic pole, magnet surface which
measured 4 and 3/8 inches by 1 and 7/8 inches.

I used this surface to see if an out put magnet would travel the entire
length due to "luc's force".  It does.  Although the luc's force is greatest
near the ends, there is  NO DEAD SPOT near the center of length of the travel.

This modified user gotoluc configuration can have a very long output magnet travel length.

THERE IS NO LIMIT TO THE OUTPUT, except for the length of this magnet array
which is underneath the output magnet.

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Re: TD replications
« Reply #360 on: April 22, 2021, 03:25:14 PM »

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Re: TD replications
« Reply #361 on: April 23, 2021, 01:33:25 AM »
Now...

What seems to be to good to be true just might be.
          And
 I cannot say that absolutely, that at 8 inches of output magnet travel length,
rather than at 4 and 3/8 inches of length, there will be no lull in force
when near the center of travel.  I only tried the 4 3/8 inches of travel.
          But
I can say that at 4 3/8 inches of output magnet travel, it does appear to me
as though there is no limit to the potential travel distance in this configuration.
            If
as in the previous drawings (given again below), a single magnet of 8 inches
length were used instead of those 5 magnets (like poles all facing up),  I think
there would be (in fact I know there would be), a lull near to the center of the
output magnet's travel.
         Also
In this last test, I used the output magnet in a 90 degrees of rotation orientation.
That is to say, instead of the 1 and 7/8 inches long edge of the output magnet
riding over the array, one of the ends (7/8 inch length) was oriented over the array.

This was because,  a strip of wood was used to keep the array magnets from popping
straight up and out from the wooden frame work (clamped to the bench top) surrounding them.
This additional wooden member across the surface of the 5 magnets, reduced the width
available for sliding the output magnet along.

One more thing.  If the output travel has a length limitation.  this design is still O.U..

            floor
« Last Edit: April 23, 2021, 03:54:22 AM by Floor »

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Re: TD replications
« Reply #362 on: April 23, 2021, 03:29:09 PM »
Some of the neodymium magnets have an extreme coercivity,
or resistance to demagnetization.

I have heard that two neodymium magnets clamped together in
repulsion will lose only a small percentage of their strength even
after ten years. 

But I don't know if this is really true or not.

If someone knows of a reliable information source as to this point
can you please post a link.

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« Last Edit: April 23, 2021, 11:17:47 PM by Floor »

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Re: TD replications
« Reply #363 on: April 23, 2021, 08:14:32 PM »
Here is what K and J magnetics had to say about it...

    Will my neodymium magnets lose strength over time?

    Very little. Neodymium magnets are the strongest and most permanent magnets known to man. If they are not overheated or physically damaged, neodymium magnets will lose less than 1% of their strength over 10 years - not enough for you to notice unless you have very sensitive measuring equipment. They won't even lose their strength if they are held in repelling or attracting positions with other magnets over long periods of time.

There are some exceptions (like if the magnets are heated up too much or if the magnets are very thin in the magnetization direction relative to the other dimensions), but in general we've found this to be a good assumption.


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Re: TD replications
« Reply #364 on: April 25, 2021, 08:29:00 AM »
Now then,  :
Question
"so why don't you just hook the ends of the track to each other ?"

Answer,  / question
Which design (A) or (B) ?
       
Answer
Design (A)

Question
"so why don't you just hook the ends of the track to each other ?"

Answer
Because the magnet gets stuck at either end...
           At one end it must be pushed on.
           At the other end it must be pulled off.
                           Unless
The out put magnet's travel is arrested just short of either end of the track.

In which case, It can then be easily removed from the track, along a different direction.

Question
And if you hooked the track end to end ?.

Answer / question
In which case below ?

1.  The field gradient could be dominated by a single polarity and constant / equal
in magnitude of force, around the interior of that hole / in line with the
length of the track.
   or
2. There could be a bulge in the field at one or more points along that interior.

Which case (1) or (2) ?

Answer
case (2).
... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ...
Now we are looking at case (2).

Observation
If there is ONE bulge in the field, we are looking at design (A).
                otherwise
If there are TWO or more bulges in the field, we are looking at design (B).

In either design, (A) or (B), I don't know what happens if we hook the ends together.
I have not tried it !   Maybe, with a large enough circle / track diameter, design (B)
would keep going ?
    But that doesn't matter
                   because
                          both are O.U. without connecting the ends like that.
   
When the ends ARE NOT connected like that...
one can  in a manner "connect them" via a  kinetic energy transfer
          (it's also, partly a magnetic transfer).
One can allow specific magnetic force balancing to occur (because physical
relocations are allowed to occur).
    and like I said...
                        I DO KNOW, what occurs upon a straight track....
                                in either design (A) or (B).
Do you ?
              Also
I don't want to run around in circles.
                  smile
I want cyclical work from magnets.
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Re: TD replications
« Reply #364 on: April 25, 2021, 08:29:00 AM »
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Re: TD replications
« Reply #365 on: April 25, 2021, 09:22:22 AM »
These designs, which are novel, are given into the public domain.
The designs here in, that are novel, are open sourced.

The designs here in, are presented by the internet character many know as floor (Me).

They are the product of,  the knowledge, ideas, insights, theories, and so on,
of  many many people here at the O.U. forum.  But also of Wikipedia, you tube and
so on.

They belong to me and to you.
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Re: TD replications
« Reply #366 on: April 26, 2021, 04:08:47 PM »
Returning to this assembly (this morning)

Each magnet is  1 7/8 inches  long by 7/8 of an inch wide.
A magnetic pole is on this broad face.
Each magnet is 3/8 of an inch thick through from pole to pole.....

With the north poles of each magnet facing up, the five magnets
were clamped to a flat surface, edge to edge.

This forms a flat, rectangular single magnetic pole, magnet surface which
measured 4 and 3/8 inches by 1 and 7/8 inches.
... ... ... ... ... ... ... ...

There are five magnets and therefore there are four junctions.

There is a bump in the field at each of the junctions of the magnets.
 (where the edges meet)

At the first junction near an end, the out put magnet transitions the junction well.
A net force is present in the desired output magnet travel direction.

At the second and third junctions there are sticky spots.

At the fourth junction near the far end, the out put magnet transitions the junction well.
A net force is present in the desired output magnet travel direction.

... ... ... ... ... ... ...
There is a lull in desired output magnet force, near the center of the
output stroke, when a single magnet serves as the track.
... ... ... ... ... ... ...
There are sticky spots in the desired output magnet travel, when multiple magnets serve
as the track.
... ... ... ... ... ...

Oh well / bummer.  Looks like no spinny thingy here, nor perpetual motion.
Just cyclical work with a net gain, from magnets . Darn.

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Re: TD replications
« Reply #367 on: April 27, 2021, 06:15:03 AM »
The next thing to put on the bench should
be either of the following. 

Complete, and all four actions measured.

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Re: TD replications
« Reply #368 on: April 27, 2021, 06:49:55 AM »
Note...  there is no 1/16 set back, in the above drawing,
       (as was shown as in the previous drawing)

My next test / set up, may have some variations in the
magnet set backs / placements.

Also I have a request...

that others weigh in on the following question...
"should I follow through with this process"

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« Last Edit: April 27, 2021, 10:17:24 AM by Floor »

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Re: TD replications
« Reply #369 on: April 27, 2021, 05:12:56 PM »
There are about 220 views of this topic a day on average (it's small).
It's not monetized (by me).

If my goal had been large numbers of views,
I am pretty sure there would have been many millions of views
by now.

There are 4 tested and measured variations of these designs,
in which magnet interactions give rise to a net gain in mechanical
work done.

There are several other designs I have never done precise measurements of.

This latest build will be the first time I will have done a complete
public presentation of the measurement processes and results, of an O.U.
device.
... ... ... ... ... ...
In considering the energy density and the natural resources required
to produce energy from magnets on a large scale, it is readily apparent that
they are not a sole answer to our future energy needs. Only a part of that solution.
... ... ... ... ... ...
What is more significant than permanent magnet energy sources, is what kind of
energy source can next evolve from an understanding of the permanent magnet
sources. 

That would be next on my agenda.  I'll leave the magnets behind. I think some
number of others, have already arrived at some of those methods.  Others are
I think close.  But they may not be totally certain within their selves, at to
whether or not they really want to arrive at those methods.

Me to.
    So...
I'm looking for some feed back / reason to proceed.
   Got any ?

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Re: TD replications
« Reply #370 on: April 29, 2021, 12:43:19 AM »
Over Unity

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NEpfvTdR5-U

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Re: TD replications
« Reply #371 on: April 29, 2021, 06:00:27 PM »
I'll do more tests before I build the fixtures.



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Re: TD replications
« Reply #372 on: April 30, 2021, 12:03:23 AM »
3 minute video.

https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x80z9wr

If the track can be long enough,
after extraction, insertion and repositioning to the start position
of the output magnet (even at considerable energy expenditure)
this is still O.U..

After the video, click here

https://overunity.com/16987/td-replications/msg556715/#msg556715

to jump back a few pages, to the start of this particular design / investigation.

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Re: TD replications
« Reply #373 on: April 30, 2021, 02:10:18 PM »
observation...


One reason and probably the main reason, I was having
sticky spots in the "track" array was unevenly matched
track array magnet strengths.

While I was making this last video,

https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x80z9wr   (3 minutes long)

I was expecting a sticky spot if / when the output magnet is almost touching
the output magnet array.

The lack of a sticky spot in the output magnet action caught me off guard /
surprised me. 

The only sticky spot, occurred when the output magnet caught
on the edge of one of the track array magnets.

So, once again, inconsistency in magnet strengths has caused me some
confusion in determining results.  Ha.

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Re: TD replications
« Reply #374 on: May 01, 2021, 05:36:14 PM »
Observations...

Here are some of the common characteristics in the magnet interactions in
these designs (with some exceptions).
.... .... .... .... ...; .... ....
1.
Interactions, the motions,  input and output, are limited to specific
directions in relationship to the line of the magnet,  magnetic polar axis.

These directions of motion are always in some increment of 90 degrees.
.... .... .... .... .... .... ....
2. A near to balance between magnetic attractions and repulsions is arrived
at / created, in one or more planes.
.... .... .... .... .... .... ....
3. Sliding / rolling track systems prevent motions which would otherwise be
caused by some of the magnetic forces present, while also facilitating motions
along other lines.
.... .... .... .... .... .... ....
4.  Changes in magnet positions occur, one at a time.  Each occurrence of a magnet
motion, starts, completes, then ends, before a next motion occurs.
.... .... .... .... .... .... ....
5. There is a repeating cycle.
.... .... .... .... .... .... ....
6.  There are 3 input actions for every 1 output action.
.... .... .... .... .... .... ....
7. There is a point in the cycle in which a relaxation of / near disappearance of forces
occurs.


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