Language: 
To browser these website, it's necessary to store cookies on your computer.
The cookies contain no personal information, they are required for program control.
  the storage of cookies while browsing this website, on Login and Register.

GDPR and DSGVO law

Storing Cookies (See : http://ec.europa.eu/ipg/basics/legal/cookies/index_en.htm ) help us to bring you our services at overunity.com . If you use this website and our services you declare yourself okay with using cookies .More Infos here:
https://overunity.com/5553/privacy-policy/
If you do not agree with storing cookies, please LEAVE this website now. From the 25th of May 2018, every existing user has to accept the GDPR agreement at first login. If a user is unwilling to accept the GDPR, he should email us and request to erase his account. Many thanks for your understanding.
Amazon Warehouse Deals ! Now even more Deep Discounts ! Check out these great prices on slightly used or just opened once only items.I always buy my gadgets via these great Warehouse deals ! Highly recommended ! Many thanks for supporting OverUnity.com this way.

User Menu

Tesla Paper

Free Energy Book

Get paid

Donations

Please Donate for the Forum.
Many thanks.
Regards, Stefan.(Admin)

A-Ads

Powerbox

Smartbox

3D Solar

3D Solar Panels

DC2DC converter

Micro JouleThief

FireMatch

FireMatch

CCKnife

CCKnife

CCTool

CCTool

Magpi Magazine

Magpi Magazine Free Rasberry Pi Magazine

Battery Recondition

Battery Recondition

Arduino

Ultracaps

YT Subscribe

Gravity Machines

Tesla-Ebook

Magnet Secrets

Lindemann Video

Navigation

Products

Products

WaterMotor kit

Statistics

  • *Total Members: 84189
  • *Latest: Erwin360

  • *Total Posts: 897164
  • *Total Topics: 15807
  • *Online Today: 44
  • *Most Online: 103
(December 19, 2006, 11:27:19 PM)
  • *Users: 1
  • *Guests: 20
  • *Total: 21

Author Topic: TD replications  (Read 107827 times)

Offline Floor

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 1996
Re: TD replications
« Reply #345 on: April 17, 2021, 01:32:44 AM »
Its been on the test bench and insertion and or removal of the out put
magnet is > 5 grams at either end (start end or finish end of output travel).

                             link here at O.U. dot com

https://overunity.com/16987/td-replications/msg556837/#msg556837


P.S.
 this topic is now back open for discussion
   floor

Free Energy | searching for free energy and discussing free energy

Re: TD replications
« Reply #345 on: April 17, 2021, 01:32:44 AM »

Offline norman6538

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 534
Re: TD replications
« Reply #346 on: April 17, 2021, 02:38:11 AM »
1. is  the stack underneath really necessary?

2. the text says the magnet travels from left to right (because like poles repel on the left and opposite poles attract on the right ) but the red arrow goes right to left.

Is that a mistake?
Norman

Offline Floor

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 1996
Re: TD replications
« Reply #347 on: April 17, 2021, 03:09:54 AM »
1. Yes.  The stack underneath is what makes it possible to remove the
output magnet while it is so near to the end of its run.

2. Thanks.
Yes, its a mistake.  But not in the way it might seem. The output magnet travels
in the diagram from right to left, like the arrow, not as in the text as was written.


the text is corrected below.
« Last Edit: April 17, 2021, 02:55:49 PM by Floor »

Free Energy | searching for free energy and discussing free energy

Re: TD replications
« Reply #347 on: April 17, 2021, 03:09:54 AM »
Sponsored links:




Offline Floor

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 1996
Re: TD replications
« Reply #348 on: April 17, 2021, 03:24:23 AM »
The output magnet must be stopped / manually blocked at that 1/16 inch from
 the end on the left, or else the magnetic forces will cause it to travel too far. 

Beyond or before that point (1/16 inch from the end), insertion / removal
(most importantly at that end, is removal ) is affected adversely.

At the other end, insertion is adversely affected, if its either side of 1/16 inch.

Offline Floor

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 1996
Re: TD replications
« Reply #349 on: April 17, 2021, 02:34:13 PM »
partial quote

Its been on the test bench and insertion and or removal of the out put
magnet is > 5 grams at either end (start end or finish end of output travel).

correction
That's < 5 grams
floor

Free Energy | searching for free energy and discussing free energy

Re: TD replications
« Reply #349 on: April 17, 2021, 02:34:13 PM »
Sponsored links:




Offline Floor

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 1996
Re: TD replications
« Reply #350 on: April 17, 2021, 10:37:37 PM »
The force is considered as a constant  < 5 grams over the entire 1 and 7/8 inches
input stroke.

1 inch = 25.4 millimeters

25.4 millimeters = 0.0254 of a meter
... ... ... ... ... ...
7/8 of an inch = 0.875 inches

0.875 of a inch = 22.225 millimeters

22.225 mm = 0.02222 meters
... ... ... ... ... ...
1 and 7/8 inches =  0.04762 of a meter                                                                                       
... ... ... ... ... ...
1 gram of weight (on earth) =  0.0098066500286389 newtons of force

5 grams of weight (on earth) = 0.0490332501431945 newtons of force

                newtons of force time meters = joules of energy or work.

0.049 newtons x  0.04762 meter = 0.00233 joules of work.

                                                 first result is 0.00233 joules.
               BUT IN SIMPLIFYING
If we skip the conversion to joules and just refer to the 3 inputs and the single output
energy as "units" we get

1 7/8 inches x 5 grams = 9.375 units
  or
1.875 inches x 5 grams = 9.375 units

 There are two inputs like this.  One at the starting end for the output stroke and
the other for after the output stroke.

2 x  9.375 units = 18.75 units input
... ... ... ...
The input to re position the output magnet to the start position, along a parallel path (exterior to
the magnetic field) is here considered as 0 units of input.
... ... ... ...
18.75 + 0 = 18.75 units total input.
... ... ...
It should be clear that an out put greater than 18.75 is easy to obtain ?

Our previous test output measured as 144 units total output, the work in to work
out is now 18.75 to 144, and that is O.U.

Note... in this present configuration the actual output is much higher. This is because
of both a longer output stroke and a greater magnetic force over the course of that stroke

   best wishes
            floor

Offline Floor

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 1996
Re: TD replications
« Reply #351 on: April 17, 2021, 10:46:33 PM »
If anyone thinks the output stroke DIRECTION is incorrectly illustrated (Below),
pick up two magnets and see for your self.  I know it might seem strange, that the
magnet would move in that direction, but is does.

best wishes
   floor

Free Energy | searching for free energy and discussing free energy

Re: TD replications
« Reply #351 on: April 17, 2021, 10:46:33 PM »
Sponsored links:




Offline Floor

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 1996
Re: TD replications
« Reply #352 on: April 17, 2021, 10:58:00 PM »
That's it.  An O.U. device on a single page. ;)

I'm tired, see you all later.

   peace out

Offline norman6538

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 534
Re: TD replications
« Reply #353 on: April 17, 2021, 11:44:11 PM »
Fantastic Floor.

I do not understand this part
"the input to re position the output magnet to the start position, along a parallel path (exterior to the magnetic field) is here considered as 0 units of input."

But down the road you have enough  extra to make a self runner but the "clock mechanism" to do that is complex.

What I wanted to to was to use a small weight to lift a larger  output weight and then use some of the  output  weights to feedback as input leaving extra weights for usable power.. So you can manually move those weights into their positions to do that in order to demonstrate the real work in vs work out and there will be no arguments. Then you can move on to automate it into a self runner.

But first someone needs to verify your setup. Unless I get extra time I doubt I will be that person.

Norman

Free Energy | searching for free energy and discussing free energy

Re: TD replications
« Reply #353 on: April 17, 2021, 11:44:11 PM »
3D Solar Panels

Offline Floor

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 1996
Re: TD replications
« Reply #354 on: April 18, 2021, 12:00:32 AM »
There are 3 input motions. Basically the output magnet is walked around
3 sides of a square or rectangle, the fourth side the "output side", walks itself.

one side is removal... input
next it moves along to the far end while outside the magnetic field...  0 input
against magnetic forces.
next is in insertion... input

This video shows the motions, although it is of the previous design.

https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x80nhtf



Offline Floor

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 1996
Re: TD replications
« Reply #355 on: April 18, 2021, 01:04:45 AM »
Its confusing to me as well but here we go.

In the lower right corner of the drawings below....
Written in green letters....

from Position 2....
The output magnet is removed / pulled in the direction of from out of the page
(a near zero input) < 5 grams force
The output magnet is now directly in front of position 2...

How far in front ?  Until it is outside of any significant influence of the magnetic field...

Then it is moved to the right....
This is the zero input you were inquiring about...

Now the input magnet is directly in front of position 1...

Insert it back over the magnet array (back into the magnetic field). 
(a near zero input) < 5 grams force

Ready for the output stroke....



Free Energy | searching for free energy and discussing free energy

Re: TD replications
« Reply #355 on: April 18, 2021, 01:04:45 AM »
3D Solar Panels

Offline Floor

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 1996
Re: TD replications
« Reply #356 on: April 18, 2021, 01:52:51 PM »

What I wanted to to was to use a small weight to lift a larger  output weight and then use some of the  output  weights to feedback as input leaving extra weights for usable power.. So you can manually move those weights into their positions to do that in order to demonstrate the real work in vs work out and there will be no arguments. Then you can move on to automate it into a self runner.

But first someone needs to verify your setup. Unless I get extra time I doubt I will be that person.


@ Norman
I tend to think in similar terms. 
No worries. 





Offline Floor

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 1996
Re: TD replications
« Reply #357 on: April 18, 2021, 02:11:04 PM »
@ all readers.

So then,

1.
 Self quote
"How far in front ?  Until it is outside of any significant influence of the magnetic field"
End of the quote

I measure the distance until it is outside of any significant influence of the magnetic
field as being 1 1/4 inches.
2.
 How far is the    "? at least a few inches"      from the bottom left section of the drawings.

How about 8 inches ?
I think that this distance, (8") will cuase a dead spot in the output force,
near to the center of the output magnets's  travel.  But that is OK.
... ... ... ...

1.875 inches + 1.25 inches = 3.125 inches
3.125 inches x 5grams = 15.625 input energy units
15.625 units x 2 = 32.25 input energy units

8 inch travel x 5 grams = 40 input energy units

32.25 units + 40 input energy units = 72.25 total energy input units

144 output - 72.25 = 71.75 units gain ?





Offline Floor

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 1996
Re: TD replications
« Reply #358 on: April 19, 2021, 03:02:43 PM »
Next..

Thanks Norman, probably never could have happend with out you.

As Norman6538 sometimes points out, an O.U. of 1 to 1
gets you a self runner, only if the O.U. is after considering
clock works losses.

An O.U. of  2 to 1 will run itself and a second and equal O.U device
as well.

Given that no feed back is needed to run the second device,
it could then power a third device which requires 2 times the
input and delivers 4 time the output, and so on.

All this, only if the O.U. is considered after losses.
.... .... .... .... .... ....

This modified Gotoluc device doesn't actually have a
 72.25 : 144   input to output ratio.

It has twice that 144 output.  This is because it gets 144 energy units
out at each end of the output magnet's travel..

 72.75 : 288  input to out put.

Its not a marginal O.U..

Offline Floor

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 1996
Re: TD replications
« Reply #359 on: April 21, 2021, 03:15:06 PM »
It should be understood that the use of large or very large magnets
in configurations like these, will not work out well.  This is because
the strength of magnetic forces decrease rapidly with distance.

In order to get a large energy out put, I recommend the use of multiple
devices rather than a single large device.

   floor

 

OneLink