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Offline gotoluc

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Re: TD replications
« Reply #135 on: February 24, 2017, 01:22:14 AM »
I did, after thinking through the operational sequence, realize the sticky spot is irrelevant and will not pose any problems.


Best regards,
Alex


Great!... then you're on the right track... pun intended!


You may want to have a look at the Energetic Forum where Chet (user ramset) has started a topic and user Allen Bergess is very enthusiastic and has many ideas:  http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/20699-mechanical-magnetic-torque-amplifier.html


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Re: TD replications
« Reply #136 on: February 24, 2017, 03:59:53 PM »

Great!... then you're on the right track... pun intended!


You may want to have a look at the Energetic Forum where Chet (user ramset) has started a topic and user Allen Bergess is very enthusiastic and has many ideas:  http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/20699-mechanical-magnetic-torque-amplifier.html


Regards


Luc

Luc,

I just registered a account with EnergeticForum.com. 
I read through the post but couldn't understand some of the ideas since I couldn't open any pictures/attachments.
It looks like one of the ideas is very similar to the "stop and go" mechanism I am developing.
I will keep an eye out for this forum in the future.
thanks for the heads up.

Regards,
Alex

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Re: TD replications
« Reply #137 on: February 24, 2017, 05:42:15 PM »
Sorry, I forgot about if you're not a member you can't see uploaded pictures.

They also can be slow to approve new members. Hopefully it won't be your case.

Luc

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Re: TD replications
« Reply #137 on: February 24, 2017, 05:42:15 PM »
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Re: TD replications
« Reply #138 on: February 24, 2017, 05:56:36 PM »
Luc
sorry to interrupt here, I did try to ask Allen to discuss this [must be a member to view at THAT forum]
he is also a member here [I think Flame wars caused some issues in the past here??]

as you know I started the topic there [Aaron's forum] with your permission so more eyes could see the open source work......

just some clarity ,as you know I have no interest in the politics or memberships of these forums ,just to learn and share for maximum input ... or contributions from the community.

maybe Allen will choose to discuss this and perhaps start a topic here where viewing of images is not attached to
membership ?

sorry for the interruption here.
I did try...?

with respect and gratitude
Chet K

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Re: TD replications
« Reply #139 on: February 24, 2017, 06:31:12 PM »
 :)
« Last Edit: February 24, 2017, 11:07:09 PM by gotoluc »

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Re: TD replications
« Reply #140 on: February 24, 2017, 10:10:36 PM »
Hi Alex (cairun)


Did you receive my message?


Please reply


Luc

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Re: TD replications
« Reply #141 on: February 25, 2017, 06:16:47 AM »
Hi all,


This is the conceptual design of the "stop and go" mechanism designed for Luc's version of Floor's Twist Drive idea specifically for use with a continuous rotation setup.
As you can see the output gear stops and stays in position for a brief moment, but the planetary gear rotates continuously(it is attached to the input gear which means the input gear is in continuous rotation).  I still need to try and figure out the mathematical relationship.  The 2 attached images show the front view and back view of the mechanism as well as labeling for the individual components.
The following link shows the mechanism in motion:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-lqlbY4v38s&feature=youtu.be


Imagine 2 bicycle wheels with the input magnets mounted on the rim of one and the output magnets mounted on the rim of the other bicycle wheel. 
Each wheel connected to the output gear of 2 separate "stop and go" mechanisms.  Set the wheels at 90 deg from each other. 
Couple the input gears of both mechanisms(have to time it exactly right) via gears, belts, U-joint linkages etc. 
Mount a flywheel to the input gear to preserve any excess momentum. 
And the result should be a self runner.
This mechanism should capture all momentum and not waste any.  Even the braking of the wheels(due to stop and move motion) should transfer into usable momentum.


As for the linear reciprocating setup, I will draw something up to show the "track follower" mechanism that I've mentioned, later on.


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Alex

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Re: TD replications
« Reply #142 on: February 25, 2017, 08:22:38 PM »
@GotoLuc/ Cairun

Fantastic work !

@ All readers
Some observations / features.....
To assist one in understanding the magnet interplay.

The force to slide the input magnet is almost completely neutralized by the
balance between attraction / repulsion ..... when the input magnet's
line of travel is along the center of the face of the output magnet.

That center  is the distance to the edges of the output magnet's face,
as measured at a right angle to the center line of the input magnets travel.
That center line from pole to pole of the input magnet is square to the
center line from pole to poles of the output magnet...in two planes.
 and also...The faces of the two magnets are square to one another in all planes.
...
Note...The greater the distance from those edges of the face of the output magnet
to its center.....the easier it is to come to a zero sliding input force  (by balance). e.g The
broader the face of the input magnet...the easier it is to arrive at that force balance.
(A less perfect travel path / alignment is needed by the input magnet)
 
When input motion is along the center of the output magnet face
.... this changes both the input and the output work... as compared to
when input is made near to the edge of the output magnet.   
I assume this also changes the final or over all, work in   to   work out ratio ?.   

If the input magnet's travel is near to the edge of the face of the output
magnet.... the input force and work,  is increased.
But also the output disproportionately increases ?
..............................................
In Luc's current design...

During both, the input stroke and the reset stroke, there is a mutual interaction
between the output magnet (A) and the input / reset magnets
as a combined field (B).  Th

The nature of that relation ship is affected by which position of the output magnet
is in...e.g. cocked or fired.  These relationships affect the input and reset strokes.

More on that.... later / maybe.
..........................................
Note... Use of the phrase "pumping action" in regard to the input magnet, would
be some what misleading... as there is a     motion    then     hold position    action
to its motion.               Please find the two video links below.      regards ... floor

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x5d7hdv_lucs-1_tech

hlttp://www.dailymotion.com/video/x5d7ip9_lucs-2_tech

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Re: TD replications
« Reply #143 on: February 25, 2017, 11:16:50 PM »
Hi Alex,


Thanks for sharing your very interesting mechanical gear timing system.
I'm always amazed as just about any timing and motion can be accomplished with gears.
Glad your here as you're a great asset to the research.


Regards


Luc

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Re: TD replications
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Re: TD replications
« Reply #144 on: February 25, 2017, 11:19:48 PM »
Thanks floor for your new test details[/size] and[/size] video demos


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Luc

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Re: TD replications
« Reply #145 on: February 26, 2017, 04:06:43 AM »
Hi Alex,


Thanks for sharing your very interesting mechanical gear timing system.
I'm always amazed as just about any timing and motion can be accomplished with gears.
Glad your here as you're a great asset to the research.


Regards


Luc


Luc,


You are very welcome!
I am glad to be a part of the research.
I hope my contributions can help to further this research.


Regards,
Alex

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Re: TD replications
« Reply #146 on: February 26, 2017, 04:38:29 AM »

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x5d7hdv_lucs-1_tech

hlttp://www.dailymotion.com/video/x5d7ip9_lucs-2_tech


Floor,


Your setup in the the second video is very interesting and got me thinking.
If your put another set of output magnets with south and north poles reversed
 on the left side of the input magnet then you would have 2 output strokes and get 2x the output.
Furthermore, once the input magnet is pulled out, the output magnets would self reset since they
are in attraction to each other. 


Now to get 4x the output, you can put another input magnet on top of the the current input magnet
with south and north poles reversed.  This serves to double the output stroke force.


This is very exciting.  I wish I can test it now but I can't since I will be working away from home for the next month.




Regards,


Alex


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Re: TD replications
« Reply #147 on: February 27, 2017, 12:21:32 AM »
@Cairon

Thanks, and see you when we do.

@GotoLuc

Simple is best... short of continuous rotation

            and simpler !

lift a 4 pound seldge hammer head ... in 2 foot increments...
by lowering a 1/4 pound weight 6 inches....untill the
1/4 pound weight has lowered a total of 30 inches and
the 4 pound weight is ten feet in the air ???

or whatever the maximum ratio can come out to ... via a single
cascade.

Do it your own way ... I hope this might be some contribution.

                      .... in pdf form.


                      floor

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Re: TD replications
« Reply #148 on: February 27, 2017, 04:05:20 AM »
Floor and Luc,


Even though I can't conduct experiments while away from home.
I will continue to design a self runner using Luc's setup(in a linear reciprocating desing using 2 slides).
I hope to finish design and order all purchased parts before I get back home
so I can start the build immediately when I do get back.


Regards,
Alex


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Re: TD replications
« Reply #149 on: February 27, 2017, 05:10:29 PM »
Great Alex

Maybe all I'll do is put the 2 slides together to test the results using the 6" ceramic magnets and wait to see your mechanical design.

Thanks for staying on it.

Luc

 

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