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Offline norman6538

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Re: TD replications
« Reply #255 on: February 25, 2020, 04:58:38 PM »
My most recent post of 1 unit of work in and 40 units out can be seen here.
https://overunity.com/18288/power-from-repelling-magnets/msg543345/#msg543345

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Re: TD replications
« Reply #256 on: February 26, 2020, 02:51:57 PM »
  For anyone here that decided to d/l the MirrorEngine.pdf's from the other topic , be ware. They are d/l as a .bin file and that is executable but for what reason? It does say here that you can include pdf's  but says nothing about .bin so this raises a big RED flag on these files now.

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Re: TD replications
« Reply #257 on: February 26, 2020, 03:28:18 PM »
I'm sorry Norman, i cannot figure out how this overunity by twisting is achieved. By turning a magnet? How much energy does it take to turn, and is it all measured? Not enough information provided. So far i have not seen anything such that should provide overunity, even in theory.


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« Reply #257 on: February 26, 2020, 03:28:18 PM »
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Re: TD replications
« Reply #258 on: February 26, 2020, 03:56:43 PM »
Ayeaye remember "you can lead a horse to water (provide a drawing) but you can't make him drink" even when he sees the drawing. The best way for you to see and understand is get 2 magnets and play with them in your hand. Then mount one so it rotates and approach it from its axle direction and you will see. Then you have to measure it carefully which Floor did and so did I. When I get time I will make a short demonstration video.

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Re: TD replications
« Reply #259 on: February 26, 2020, 04:11:23 PM »
Ayeaye remember "you can lead a horse to water (provide a drawing) but you can't make him drink" even when he sees the drawing.

I'm sorry, there is no excuse that others don't understand, as it's your responsibility to provide enough information so that people understand. Here are people who have done experiments, you cannot say that you cannot describe an experiment to them, so that they understand.

I can keep magnets in my hand, all right. But what should i see? You didn't even say what exactly should i do with them, and what should i see. At that also, what i have found, is that feeling forces by hand is highly subjective. Like you may feel a clear force, but when you start to measure it, it's too weak for anything to measure it.


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Re: TD replications
« Reply #260 on: February 26, 2020, 04:41:42 PM »
Ayeaye,


Is English not your native language?  I don't understand why you are having problems with Norman's drawing and explanation.


He clearly has said that by letting a weight drop 1 cm it moves the left magnet closer to the right magnet.  The right magnet then twists and lifts 20 times the first weight to a height of 2 cm.  1 unit of work in gives 40 units of work out.


Than he explains the weight on the far left is 2 times the original weight.  When he lets it drop a distance of 2.5 cm it resets the left magnet back to the left and the right magnet untwists causing the 20 times weight to fall back the 2 cm.


So 1 unit of work in gives 40 units of work out.  And then 5 units of work is used to reset the device.  Clearly he has taken plenty of measurements.


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Re: TD replications
« Reply #261 on: February 26, 2020, 05:03:07 PM »
Ayeaye,


Is English not your native language?  I don't understand why you are having problems with Norman's drawing and explanation.

I'm sorry, this doesn't help, you should also know that ayeaye's live in madagascar.

How are the magnets initially oriented, where are their poles? How do they twist? One magnet turns or both magnets turn? Not to talk, the right magnet drawn as skewed, what does it mean, is it made of some magnetic rubber?


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Offline norman6538

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Re: TD replications
« Reply #262 on: February 26, 2020, 05:23:19 PM »
Ayeaye

First if you go back to what Floor did in his many drawings you will see that when two magnets are placed down flat on a table edge to edge they will either attract at the edge or repel.

Second then if you pick them up and leave them edge to edge and twist on 90 degrees they will resist that twist if they were attracting each other.

Third pull them straight apart widening the gap between them and you will see as Floor said almost no force and

Fourth push them together and likewise you will feel no resistance as they approach each other but you will feel the twist.

That is what Floor tested and demonstrated and what I claim is 1 unit of work in giving 40 units of work out from the twist that Floor described. In my case I start small and used the RadioShack rectangular ceramic magnets that have a hole in the center. You can buy them at Lowes and Homedepot.

Play with them and you will see. Then make a mount for one to rotate but not move end to end and then measure that  rotation. You have to limit the twist because if you go too far you will be locked together N to S.

If you look at the drawing and then do these experiments it should be very clear.

My first measurements came in about 400-500% extra but I tweaked that quite a bit in the last week.

Norman

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Re: TD replications
« Reply #263 on: February 26, 2020, 06:02:30 PM »
Ok, two magnets against each other, side by side, attracting, right? I twist one 90 degrees, this takes energy. Then there is no attraction between the magnets. But when i release the magnet, it twists back the 90 degrees, which gives back the energy taken by the initial twist. So where is overunity? The second twist gives more energy than the first twist gets, really?


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Re: TD replications
« Reply #264 on: February 26, 2020, 06:06:33 PM »
You did not listen to what I told you to do. Re read what I said and study it with the drawing.
The input  is moving the magnets first apart to untwist and then back together to twist.
And that work is very slight. That almost free  twist becomes the output. 1:40 ratio

Norman

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Re: TD replications
« Reply #265 on: February 26, 2020, 06:43:08 PM »
After 20 years of watching various free energy devices my conclusion is simple: magnetic field is source of energy.Im curious what do you think

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« Reply #266 on: February 26, 2020, 06:47:40 PM »
After 20 years of watching various free energy devices my conclusion is simple: magnetic field is source of energy.Im curious what do you think

Yes i think the same, but i think the reason is asymmetry of the magnetic field, that is non-Coulomb irregularity. Come both from the Maxwell equations, and experiments seem to show that.


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Re: TD replications
« Reply #267 on: February 26, 2020, 06:54:10 PM »
So all i understand, the magnet is initially twisted. When releasing it, it untwists. But why should it then twist when bringing magnets back together again?

Or i need a clear drawing where the orientation of magnets is clearly seen at every stage. And no skewed magnets on the drawing.


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Re: TD replications
« Reply #268 on: February 26, 2020, 08:55:47 PM »
Here are 2 photos of  my second attempt that show the device. 1st is the magnet gap open and on the right you see 2 stacked RadioShack rectangular magnets with the hole in the middle  mounted on a tongue depressor to allow it to pivot up close to the other twisting magnet on the left.

 2nd is with the magnet gap closed showing the left magnet twisted up and lifting 2 3/16 washers up 2 cm. It takes very little work to close and open the gap. This was my 2nd attempt. Today I quickly remeasured 5.5 cm lift of 12 BBs = 66 units and closing the gap required 6.5 cm x 3 BBs = 19.5 giving 338%.
The green twisty in the photo was used to attach 2 washers to the crank  which shows you how I work quick and dirty till the concept is valid. I have switched to BBs because they are  more precise. By adding or subtracting a BB at a time you can determine the max power. I made  bucket to hole the BBs from a  plastic coffee creamer.
Sorry the photo does not match this latest measurement technique of using BBs.
That tongue depressor wood on the right is a stop to limit the rotation - again quick and dirty broken off and hot glued in place.

True OU. And a 2 sec video to shows the lifting as the gap closes.
Today I drew up the method to feed the lifted output back to the input to make it self run.

And remember my latest version 7 has a ratio of 1:40 units out - 4,000% efficient   because I changed some geometry and leverages after hours of experiments. The last versions us a hinged door to move the magnet up closer to magnetically twist  the rotating magnet. This all came together in just over a weeks time.

Again Floor,  I say thank you for sharing all of your experimenting that has led to this replication and measurements.

I added the principle drawing below.

To get yourself started take a McDonald's coffee cup and put some weight in the bottom to hold it in place. Poke 2 holes straight through with a large paperclip carefully straightened out with a vice and pliers. The bend one end at 90 degrees and seriously hotglue the axle and magnet so you can then manually move a magnet up to and away  from  it and see the twisting but you will want to limit that twisting or it will just  get stuck together.

Norman
« Last Edit: February 27, 2020, 04:10:20 AM by norman6538 »

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Re: TD replications 15 min quick starter
« Reply #269 on: February 27, 2020, 01:49:19 AM »
Here is how you can jumpstart in 15 mins. Take a small coffee cup and poke 2 holes evenly in both sides with a large paper clip straightened out on a vise or with pliers. Hold the end with a pliers tight and poke the hole through. Then bend a 90 degree angle at one end and seriously hot glue that to the center of a RadioShack rectangle magnet with a hole in the center. Cut 2 1/2 in. squares from the plastic  of a milk jug and push those on the wire to act like hubcaps to hold the wire in place so it does not move end to end. You can see I put wheel weights in the cup to hold it in place.

Then play with it. I also hot glued the other magnet to a wood block at the same height as the twistable magnet. And I added a small wood dowel to limit the rotation.
And play play play. 

Norman
« Last Edit: February 27, 2020, 04:02:18 AM by norman6538 »

 

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