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Offline ARMCORTEX

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Re: TD replications
« Reply #210 on: March 10, 2017, 10:42:21 PM »
Nonlinear, so you say ferromagnetism and gravity is the same. I would not agree with that. There is a certain basic understanding of magnets, the fridge magnet level. But the longer you really observe and investigate magnetism, the more you'll see that there's more to it.
The fact that we used Teslas design without to improve it for over 100 years shows, how closedminded the establishment really is. Who would finance development of energy-efficient machines when energy is the most lucrative economy in the world? And as soon as something is against the establishment, any pro will drop it immediately. Which is why there are up to this day incredibly simple ways to violate the law of energy conservation, completely unnoticed by mainstream science.


I asked this elsewhere too, please explain me the following:
a certain exact DC pulse on a coil will repell the coil further away from a PM, the stronger thw PM is. Where does that additional energy come from?

You are an idiot, if it was simple I would have seen it, I have watched this forum since 2009.

If it was simple, I would not see the same old gang try russian coils for 5 years now on the Kapanadze forum.

I am ready to say, almost impossible, extremely difficult, and now even more so as the misinformation machine is fully oiled and greasy.

John Bedini was a fraud, the guy did not achieve OU.

And this device was stupid to begin with, another plywood idea from gotoluc. If only a nice build was done in metal, with gearing a precision made CAM to get the timing right

But its always the idiots way of making things, wood, no precision, no design research, no machine shop quotes.

A bunch of silly ass talking idiots wankin around instead of giving money to gotoluc so that we can definitly cross out that idea.

They will however talk their ass off as soon as they see it might not be working, what have you proposed that is better than gotoluc?

Nothing... What have you done? Nothing... Talkers, not walkers... Gotoluc at least is a walker, texas ranger.

Fucking  ass lemmings dont even help gotoluc, the man should not even help you  assholes anymore.

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Re: TD replications
« Reply #210 on: March 10, 2017, 10:42:21 PM »

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Re: TD replications
« Reply #211 on: March 11, 2017, 01:32:20 PM »

Nonlinear,

Well, you fellas don’t get it, do you? I’m fully aware that Luc’s magnet arrangement is slightly different than the original of Floor. It absolutely does not matter along which path you move or twist the two magnets in relation to one another, they still behave like a system of passive and conservative springs. If the force is greater in one direction, then the path to travel will be shorter, and vice versa. If you accurately measure and correctly integrate the total work, you will see that there is no overunity. Not in Floor’s design, not in Luc’s design, not in Joe’s, Fred’s, and Julie’s designs, not in anybodies designs of purely passive permanent magnet systems.


It is because we can see the profound difference between and potential of Floor's and Luc's designs that we continue with our support.
Minor differences in a design can mean the difference between a working product and a failed product.  Maybe you are unable to see the difference or you simply refuse to see the difference.


I believe your intentions at an earlier time were good, so please stop with the defamation of Floor and Luc and provide constructive criticism instead.  Perhaps, you think that your earlier input was not well received, but Floor and Luc can only do so much at any given time.  They are offering their knowledge to the public without asking for anything in return, deliberate deception will not amount to any gain for them.


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If the readers can read between the lines, know some physics, and observe the actions and reactions of the participants, then they will be able to see what I mean. But, if one is a staunch believer in crackpottery, and despite my warnings still believes there is 60% overunity in this system, then he should build the machine himself, and wake up to the reality the hard way.


It is a good suggestion that anyone able should experiment themselves to see if an idea will work or not.
I will certainly conduct independent measurements to verify Luc's measurement results.


Regards,
Alex

Offline Floor

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Re: TD replications
« Reply #212 on: March 12, 2017, 12:44:20 AM »
@ Cairun

Nice concept / design...very nice.

   thanks for sharing

               floor

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Re: TD replications
« Reply #212 on: March 12, 2017, 12:44:20 AM »
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Re: TD replications
« Reply #213 on: March 13, 2017, 02:54:33 AM »
@ Gotoluc

    I think you / we have done...  really a superior job, especially given that the experiments
and presentations have been done on the fly, and in a public forum as well !

As far as I am aware of, and as of this point in time...

             ALL points of have been well covered by us without our objection
                       in terms of the full ....

presentation of the devices used
presentation of the methods of measurement
presentation of the mathematics used
answering all posed questions with our goal.... the legitimate satisfaction by the questioner.

We have acknowledged all of the apparent dead ends with out dispute.
We have openly discussed all advice and all suggested approaches to
our processes.
We have pursued and achieved significant improvement in the designs.

And at this point we are about to make some real progress in terms of
coming to a clear and valid determination of a margin of error.

This was the point we had at already arrived at and were preparing for
by GotoLuc's larger build (before the recent flaming outbreaks).  no big deal

Greater forces and greater displacement, can give a greater precision and
reduce the margin of error.

   wow... its all, still intact, still progressing     and still its amazing.....

                              cheers !
                                    floor

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Re: TD replications
« Reply #214 on: March 13, 2017, 06:56:18 PM »
Hi Floor and everyone

Over the weekend I setup a scale measuring apparatus to the v.2 magnet torque amplifier as I was getting way under unity from the generators output.
After 10 hours of detailed scale samples and calculations to my surprise the input force for one cycle is exactly the same as the output force :(
It was hard the believe since the first model sowed around 60% gain. So this morning I decided to re-measure the first device with the most care to details.
Now the first device is showing a 10% gain which could be caused by accumulative errors from the 5 gram resolution scale.
What I found could of cause the 60% gain error is by using a different input rotor magnet then the one used for the 11mm output.
I check the rotor magnets and found they have different magnetization force. So most likely that's what happened plus the scale resolution problem.

Sorry but looks like this configuration also has no gain.

Not a big loss (other then time) as the v.2 costs were the magnets and sliders $90. and I can still use them on other experiments.

Kind regards

Luc

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Re: TD replications
« Reply #214 on: March 13, 2017, 06:56:18 PM »
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Offline Floor

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Re: TD replications
« Reply #215 on: March 13, 2017, 11:12:52 PM »
@ GotoLuc

   OK thanks Luc
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Re: TD replications
« Reply #216 on: March 14, 2017, 03:08:27 AM »
Armcortex and Webby, why are you quoting and attacking me, just to disgustingly suck up to Gotoluc?


I just trued to support his point. But you even didn't get that.


And you could not answer my question. Just some angry ejaculation of bs, like a mental kid in a sandbox, parroting his violent parents.


Go seek the responsibles for your traumata, but get off my back.

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Offline dieter

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Re: TD replications
« Reply #217 on: March 14, 2017, 03:17:49 AM »
Hey Luc, sorry bout that offtopic steam...


Kudos for having the balls to report the outcome. This serious and rational behaviour helps all of us.


As you've got a bunch of strong PMs now, think about what I said above, the question about the paradoxon (see also my latest pdf in the downloads).

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Re: TD replications
« Reply #218 on: March 14, 2017, 08:39:55 AM »
Webby, as long as you give mysterious hints, you seem more like a wannabe teacher. Answering questions with a question is also symptomatic btw.


See my other thead btw.

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Re: TD replications
« Reply #218 on: March 14, 2017, 08:39:55 AM »
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Offline Cairun

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Re: TD replications
« Reply #219 on: March 15, 2017, 01:11:51 PM »

Luc,


Thanks for sharing your latest test results, it takes great courage to do that.
Even though the test results are not what we have hope it would be, it is still an advancement to our knowledge.


Regards,
Alex










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Re: TD replications
« Reply #220 on: March 15, 2017, 04:55:15 PM »
Luc,

Thanks for sharing your latest test results, it takes great courage to do that.
Even though the test results are not what we have hope it would be, it is still an advancement to our knowledge.

Regards,
Alex

Thanks Alex, I'm happy to help by sharing what I find, even if the results are not favorable.
It's nothing out of the ordinary for me!...  I've been doing the same for the past 10 years.
What fuels me is hope that one day we find an energy solution for those in need.
Not for fame or fortune.

Thanks for your willingness to help

Luc

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Offline dieter

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Re: TD replications
« Reply #221 on: March 15, 2017, 11:22:17 PM »
When I first read "Twist Drive" I thought it would utilize sheering force, rather than attraction / repulsion.


Maybe it does?


There is a force, turning a parallel 2nd magnet. When stopped at 90deg, it can be removed fro the 1st magnet without force, eg. by gravity. Then again by gravity it can brought in parallel position. The torque of the sheering is significantly higher than the gravity force alone.


Maybe that is also a TD.


I have made a little Toy to demonstrate it, maybe I'll post a picture later.

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Re: TD replications
« Reply #222 on: March 18, 2017, 12:09:35 AM »
@Gotoluc

I'm not even close to being done with the PMs yet. 

Your last design was,   I guess,    near unity,  don't really know though?.  My own examinations
of interactions similar to that design left me with no understanding of why that design should  have been more than unity.  Although I did let myself get a bit carried away with your initial report.

From 60 % plus to 10% plus is a major oversight.  Can you give us some details
of that over sight ?
also
Your energy, enthusiasm and many hours of work in the shop are much appreciated.

      regards
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Re: TD replications
« Reply #223 on: March 18, 2017, 02:35:24 PM »
@Gotoluc

Notes..

  The integration of the work done in the inputs via the rotating bicycle rim experiment....

1. position magnet by rotation above the sliding magnet
2. remove magnet by rotation from near the sliding magnet

may together (attractions and repulsions) come to a net work of less than either
1. or 2.  alone (just above)......

except that their peak forces were not matched / canceling one the other out.

Other wise your complete set might have shown some OU ?

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Re: TD replications
« Reply #224 on: March 18, 2017, 05:03:31 PM »
@Gotoluc

I'm not even close to being done with the PMs yet. 

Great to hear!... please make a video demo once you have found something so I can evaluate it as well

From 60 % plus to 10% plus is a major oversight.  Can you give us some details
of that over sight ?

This link to the below quote explained the oversight: http://overunity.com/16987/td-replications/msg501737/#msg501737
this morning I decided to re-measure the first device with the most care to details.
Now the first device is showing a 10% gain which could be caused by accumulative errors from the 5 gram resolution scale.
What I found could of cause the 60% gain error is by using a different input rotor magnet then the one used for the 11mm output.
I check the rotor magnets and found they have different magnetization force. So most likely that's what happened plus the scale resolution problem.

So to revise what may of caused the 60% gain error.

1. I must of use a different rotor magnets to measure the input force then the output force when I first measured the v.1 device.
    Seems this alone can cause a 30% difference. I was surprised of how much each rotor magnet vary in force.

2. The scale I use are 20kg max luggage scale. It has a 5 gram resolution.
     The rotor input force of the first device range from 1g to 85g max. However, the scale only starts to display at 15g and above.
     So I figure it's unsuitable for accuracy when measuring below 100 grams.
     I would estimate the math averaging on the input of the first device could be off by 10 to 25% based on this resolution issue alone.

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The below are the measurements done on the v.2 device

The input rotor force measured between 110g to 2.4kg, so very good data was obtained as far as the scales resolution ability.
Half of the input rotor distance (to make one output stroke) is 16 1/8 inches of circumference.
Samples were taken at every 1/8 inch distance, so 129 input distance samples were recorded in total!... giving a very good input average calculated to be 1.1kg over the 16 1/8 inch half rotor circumference.

The output force was adjusted to slide 5 inches of distance. The gram pull force measurements varied between 2.3Kg to 14.5Kg.
40 samples were taken at every 1/8 inch making an average of 6.46Kg over the 5 inch output stroke.

I've just realized I made an error (a few days back) on my final math!!!... I had the calculations of the rotor input engaging and disengaging averages calculated separately and added them together 1.24Kg + 0.957Kg = 2.2Kg but the error is, the 2.2Kg should then be divided by 2 = 1.1Kg to get the correct input rotor average over the 16.125" for half of the rotor circumference as I correctly did above.

So if we take the 16.125" rotor input travel distance and divide it by the 5" output slider distance = 3.23 times more distance the input rotor needs to travels at 1.1Kg average compared to the 5"output distance at 6.46Kg average.
So if we multiply the input average 1.1Kg x 3.23 times =  3.55Kg of comparable input force to distance needed compared to the output.
Now if we subtract this 3.55Kg of comparable input force to the 6.46Kg output force = 2.91Kg left over which is a 82% Gain over the Input.


Your energy, enthusiasm and many hours of work in the shop are much appreciated.

      regards
            floor

Thanks

Can someone look over my calculations to see if the reasoning looks to be correct.

Regards

Luc
« Last Edit: March 18, 2017, 07:58:00 PM by gotoluc »

 

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