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Author Topic: Speed up Under Load Garbage Explained.  (Read 2227 times)

Offline tinman

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Speed up Under Load Garbage Explained.
« on: March 18, 2019, 04:09:37 PM »
It would seem that there are many out there that think this !speed up under load! garbage is something fantastic,and leads to overunity systems.

The first rule of this thread is this-->
If you are going to dispute my findings,then you will be required to carry out the test below,and deliver to this thread video evidence of the test.


The test is as follows.
Step 1--With your !speed up under load! generator disconnected from the prime mover(motor),you are to run that motor at the RPM it will be running the !speed up under load ! generator at.
You are to record and show both the voltage across the motor, and the current through the motor  at that RPM.

Step 2-- You are now to couple the !speed up under load! generator to the motor,and again run the motor at the same RPM.
You are to record and show the voltage across the motor,and the current through the motor.

Failing to present this test first will disqualify you from any credible input to this topic,and your claims will be void of any credibility.

How dose the !speed up under load !effect work ?.

From years of testing,i have found that the !speed up under load! is no more than a reduction of eddy current drag and heat that already exists in the generating coils cores.

When your generating coil is unloaded,the rotating magnets on the generators rotor induces eddy currents in the cores of the generators coils. So you already have an existing load on the generator that puts a load on the prime mover,even though your generator coils are not loaded.

When a load is placed on the generators coils,a magnetic field is built around the cores and coils of the generator. This shields the coils cores from the induced eddy currents from the passing PMs on the generators rotor.

This has an effect of seemingly lifting the load on the prime mover,causing the prime mover to increase in RPM,and also show a reduction in power input.
It appears this way because the prime mover was already loaded by the generator,due to the work being done on the coils cores, creating eddy current drag and heat within the generator coils cores.

This is the very reason i insist that the above test be carried out before you say that i am wrong.

If your tests show positive result's,then you will have my undivided attention.

Until i am proven wrong,my explanation stands.

A video i did some time ago showing this very effect.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nADWxkfbTEA


Brad

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Re: Speed up Under Load Garbage Explained.
« Reply #1 on: March 18, 2019, 04:24:55 PM »
Interesting, Tinman.
It seems to me if there was really something special to it that someone like Thane Heins would have demonstrated
an OU device using that concept by now, as he apparently put a lot of research into it for several years.


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Re: Speed up Under Load Garbage Explained.
« Reply #2 on: March 18, 2019, 04:36:54 PM »
Interesting, Tinman.
It seems to me if there was really something special to it that someone like Thane Heins would have demonstrated
an OU device using that concept by now, as he apparently put a lot of research into it for several years.

Indeed.
He has probably done more work on this than anyone,and yet no self runner  ::)

Then there is Turion on energetic forum,who claims a big 400 watts in,and 1800 watts out from his speed up under load generator,driven by the magical matt motor  ::)

He too has not yet provided any evidence to back up his claim,nor will he show up on this thread,and deliver my very simple test on post one.

Until such time as he dose provide the required test and able to back up his claim with hard evidence,then we must also assume he dose not have what he claims to have,nor dose he understand the !speed up under load! effect.


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Re: Speed up Under Load Garbage Explained.
« Reply #2 on: March 18, 2019, 04:36:54 PM »
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Re: Speed up Under Load Garbage Explained.
« Reply #3 on: March 18, 2019, 05:13:10 PM »
Here is an overview of where Thane Heins is at as of about 7 months ago:
CONCLUSION Electric Vehicle Regenerative Acceleration Technology Introduction
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M1I09omDBEo

I am not really so knowledgeable about electric motors and generators, but Thane Heins seems
to be saying that when his electric bike is going over 30 km/hr that his regnerative coils
can charge the bike's battery without causing any extra loading on the bike's motor. Below 30 km/hr
he says his regenerative coils (or whatever he calls them) when charging the battery cause an
increased loading on his motor. He also says it is not perpetual motion however, so he seems to
be saying that it is not COP > 1, even though at speeds over 30 km/hr he says his generator coils
charge the battery without increasing load on the motor. Whether he has done the proper measurements
to really confirm that, I couldn't say.


Offline SeaMonkey

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Re: Speed up Under Load Garbage Explained.
« Reply #4 on: March 19, 2019, 01:00:48 PM »
Quote from: TinMan
Then there is Turion on energetic forum,who claims a big 400 watts in,and 1800 watts out from his speed up under load generator,driven by the magical matt motor  (http://overunity.com/Smileys/default/rolleyes.gif)

Bistander is striving valiantly to attain clarification on
what Turion means by "speedup under load" and precisely
how and when it occurs.  The discussion tends to go
round in circles because of Turion's inability to explain what
he means with precision and with correct terminology.  Sadly,
most of Turions's postings are emotionally laden lamentings
and accusations against any who question his incoherent
ramblings or any  who seek to obtain explanations in correct
technical language of what it is precisely that he is attempting
to say.

Erron's position is quite clear.  If Turion is proven wrong in any
way it will detract immensely from what he has invested in the
whole proposition.  There won't be any "secrets" to be revealed
or any books to write.

Recently Turion has admitted that while his generator speeds up
under increased loading that the power delivered to the load
or loads decreases.

The question remains:  Is there really anything to see there or is
it another case of mistaken results?  And the secondary question:
Why is Turion so reluctant to offer visual evidence of his claimed
generator's operation which would demonstrate to some extent
that he is speaking truth?

Great thread TinMan!


 

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Re: Speed up Under Load Garbage Explained.
« Reply #4 on: March 19, 2019, 01:00:48 PM »
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Offline tinman

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Re: Speed up Under Load Garbage Explained.
« Reply #5 on: March 19, 2019, 01:10:49 PM »
Here is an overview of where Thane Heins is at as of about 7 months ago:
CONCLUSION Electric Vehicle Regenerative Acceleration Technology Introduction
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M1I09omDBEo

I am not really so knowledgeable about electric motors and generators, but Thane Heins seems
to be saying that when his electric bike is going over 30 km/hr that his regnerative coils
can charge the bike's battery without causing any extra loading on the bike's motor. Below 30 km/hr
he says his regenerative coils (or whatever he calls them) when charging the battery cause an
increased loading on his motor. He also says it is not perpetual motion however, so he seems to
be saying that it is not COP > 1, even though at speeds over 30 km/hr he says his generator coils
charge the battery without increasing load on the motor. Whether he has done the proper measurements
to really confirm that, I couldn't say.

This video is the one to watch Void.
When you watch it,you will see he has exactly what i said going on.

If it was true that he had this regenerative acceleration ,then he would not need the electric motor of the bike still going to spin the wheel.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4znhQL8rI6M


Brad

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Re: Speed up Under Load Garbage Explained.
« Reply #6 on: March 19, 2019, 01:32:48 PM »
Bistander is striving valiantly to attain clarification on
what Turion means by "speedup under load" and precisely
how and when it occurs.  The discussion tends to go
round in circles because of Turion's inability to explain what
he means with precision and with correct terminology.  Sadly,
most of Turions's postings are emotionally laden lamentings
and accusations against any who question his incoherent
ramblings or any  who seek to obtain explanations in correct
technical language of what it is precisely that he is attempting
to say.

Erron's position is quite clear.  If Turion is proven wrong in any
way it will detract immensely from what he has invested in the
whole proposition.  There won't be any "secrets" to be revealed
or any books to write.

Recently Turion has admitted that while his generator speeds up
under increased loading that the power delivered to the load
or loads decreases.

The question remains:  Is there really anything to see there or is
it another case of mistaken results?  And the secondary question:
Why is Turion so reluctant to offer visual evidence of his claimed
generator's operation which would demonstrate to some extent
that he is speaking truth?

Great thread TinMan!

Bistander is just banging his head against the wall over there,and i simply do not understand why he stays. Aaron the rookie treats everyone that don't agree with him like they are second class people.

I have never seen such an uneducated person(Aaron) be in charge of a forum that requires some one with great knowledge and understanding.

Bistander would run rings around that rookie Aaron,and as far as Turion go's--well the Matt and Dave team,they have no idea as to what there own machine is trying to show them.

Turion will not come here,as he cannot/will not do the test i require in the first post of this thread.
He will not do it because he already knows the outcome will show exactly what i say it will show,and he will never show the 400 watts in==1800 watts out generator-->never.

He stays at Energetic forum because the rookie likes these bullshit overunity machines--he makes money off them writing books full of secrets.

The rookie claims that the faraday disc generator(the homopolar generator) has no backtorque when a load is placed across it's output,which is absolute garbage. It wouldn't work as a motor if it did not produce backtorque when loaded.
I will also be opening a thread on the homopolar generator/motor once i have finished mine.

So this is how we flush out the fraudsters.
I wonder if the rookie will be putting his own name in his forum thread-- overunity frauds ?.

Brad.

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Re: Speed up Under Load Garbage Explained.
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Offline Void

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Re: Speed up Under Load Garbage Explained.
« Reply #7 on: March 19, 2019, 01:50:28 PM »
Hi Tinman. Thane Heins seems to have come to the realization that it is not COP > 1.
He does seem to be stating that he thinks his setup will extend the range of an electric bike
before it requires recharging (improve efficiency), since he claims he can charge the battery above
30 km/hr without adding extra loading to the motor. It seems to me that should be an easy thing to put to a practical test.
Just test the range of the electric bike on a specific highway route without that 'regenerative charging', and then test
again using the 'regenerative charging' when going above 30 km/hr, under the same approx wind conditions, and see if
the range of the electric bike is really increased by much or not. Repeat that test a few times to make sure
of the results, and he will have a straight forward answer. Either it really extends the operating range of his e-bike in
some sort of significant way, or it doesn't. :)


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Re: Speed up Under Load Garbage Explained.
« Reply #8 on: March 19, 2019, 01:59:43 PM »
Hi Tinman you said,

When a load is placed on the generators coils,a magnetic field is built around the cores and coils of the generator. This shields the coils cores from the induced eddy currents from the passing PMs on the generators rotor.
So this means that the generating coil/core make a pole that is opposite of the magnet is approachingand then switches to the same pole when leaving?
Thanks artv



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Re: Speed up Under Load Garbage Explained.
« Reply #8 on: March 19, 2019, 01:59:43 PM »
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Offline tinman

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Re: Speed up Under Load Garbage Explained.
« Reply #9 on: March 19, 2019, 03:37:26 PM »
Hi Tinman you said,

When a load is placed on the generators coils,a magnetic field is built around the cores and coils of the generator. This shields the coils cores from the induced eddy currents from the passing PMs on the generators rotor.
So this means that the generating coil/core make a pole that is opposite of the magnet is approaching and then switches to the same pole when leaving?
Thanks artv

Normally yes,but that can change,and depends on the magnetic relaxation speed of the core material,and the speed at which the PM fields are passing the coil.

I will be showing this in up and coming video's.


Brad

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Re: Speed up Under Load Garbage Explained.
« Reply #10 on: March 19, 2019, 05:56:42 PM »



I had to laugh when the category a Murakami effort at a video was classed as comedy!

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Re: Speed up Under Load Garbage Explained.
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Re: Speed up Under Load Garbage Explained.
« Reply #11 on: March 20, 2019, 12:39:14 AM »
What happens when the approaching magnet is rotating on it's own axis?
Rotating fields are different than stationary.
Just questions I haven't got to yet.
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Re: Speed up Under Load Garbage Explained.
« Reply #12 on: March 20, 2019, 01:26:23 AM »
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Bistander is just banging his head against the wall over there...

Aye, that he is.  But he's being much more diplomatic about his
efforts than the "other side" who have risen up against him.

It's the kind of drama which keeps watchers 'tuned in' and
'coming back.'  No evidence of any "secrets" yet;  just a lot
of essentially "hot air" from the adversarial defenders of
dogma.

Quote from: TinMan
I see Turion,bromonkey,and many more are still lost in the !speedup under load! BS
Are they really that lost?

Afraid so.  Until they make comparative measurements while
monitoring the whole process from start to finish they'll
remain there.

Applying high voltage to the shaft of an electronically controlled
Dremel Tool is sure to make it go into runaway mode at top speed.

Noobs just don't know any better.  That is why they're fooled.



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Re: Speed up Under Load Garbage Explained.
« Reply #13 on: March 20, 2019, 10:56:58 AM »


I had to laugh when the category a Murakami effort at a video was classed as comedy!

As are all his video's.

Hope you liked my video on your saga over there minnie.


Brad

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Re: Speed up Under Load Garbage Explained.
« Reply #14 on: March 21, 2019, 12:17:27 AM »
Turion comes across as a very strange sort of
man.  When he becomes emotionally aroused
he frequently communicates as if he was a
woman.  A woman spurned.

How is it possible to dialogue with someone who
is so emotionally confused?

Bistander continues valiantly, although against
great odds, to bring sanity to the discussion.

 

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