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Author Topic: Why Over-Unity is Possible  (Read 51955 times)

Offline pauldude000

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Re: Why Over-Unity is Possible
« Reply #105 on: October 24, 2022, 08:34:59 PM »
Overunity is NOT possible, energy is conserved in our universe. But we don't care about type 1 perpetual motion machines, we're here to get around the problem.

The main point is that the system must be only apparently overunity, freely recovering energy from a place where it is useless (ZPE, heat...) to put it where it is needed.

Remember that the goal is NOT to get overunity but to get free energy. It does not matter which method is used as long as the result is there. Don't be ideological, but pragmatic.


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Re: Why Over-Unity is Possible
« Reply #106 on: October 24, 2022, 09:01:07 PM »
So I Want To Have Overunity (more correctly FREE energy that you do not have to input the base energy into a system but convert one form to another)?


Some things to avoid:


WASTEFULL SYSTEM CONVERSION -- For example, if you consider conversion, dumping that energy into a generator will almost be guaranteed to be way underunity. Approximately half the mechanical energy used to turn the shaft is wasted. You would have to dump in about twice the energy desired to get what you need out. Direct conversion is the key, if possible, like a solar cell converts photons to electricity.


ENERGY TYPE LOSS -- Energy that is unnecessarily converted to such potentially undesired things as heat, EMR, unnecessary fields, or mechanical friction WASTE energy that you want for another purpose.


ENERGY SHORTCIRCUITS -- Most importantly of all, DON'T DO SOMETHING STUPID! For instance, if you create a short circuit using energy from the ZPE, hopefully the system self-destructs and only takes out your lab/house/garage/whatever. The energy from a volume of space the size of a teacup could boil all the oceans on earth. This would only require the energy of a volume of space the size of a pinhead or smaller to destroy you and those you love. An unregulated short could take out your city (volume the size of, say, a US quarter), country (ping-pong ball), planet (softball), solar system (small car) -- get the drift? Don't try for anything "big" until you know what the heck you are messing with, and know how to control it ---> FIRST. Treat the situation like your pants are down and you just found a rattlesnake in your toilet, specifically proceed with extreme caution when dealing with currently unknown or not understood potential energy sources.





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Re: Why Over-Unity is Possible
« Reply #107 on: October 24, 2022, 11:00:02 PM »
Is there a potential difference between the earth and the sun (earth-moon)?
What if we will the wire  stretched? And what is the capacitance of this capacitor?
p.s. Do not laugh, many years ago they offered in all seriousness
pull the cable to the moon in order to launch vehicles into space at a lower cost. :)


There is a potential between the ground and our upper atmosphere, great enough to power the entire planet

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Re: Why Over-Unity is Possible
« Reply #108 on: October 28, 2022, 03:59:23 PM »

There is a potential between the ground and our upper atmosphere, great enough to power the entire planet
 
What causes it? Charge-mass: Negative charge in the earth and positive ions in the ionosphere?

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Re: Why Over-Unity is Possible
« Reply #109 on: October 28, 2022, 04:25:35 PM »
 
What causes it? Charge-mass: Negative charge in the earth and positive ions in the ionosphere?


If you are using the context of ions, it is the opposite.
Earth charge is positive, and negative ions in the air.


If you use the context of electricity: the + side of the circuit is up


An electric gradient of formed by ionic solar winds passing around the earth’s magnetosphere
Potential heading upwards from the earth rises at about 100V per meter.


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Re: Why Over-Unity is Possible
« Reply #110 on: October 28, 2022, 05:53:34 PM »
ENERGY SHORTCIRCUITS -- Most importantly of all, DON'T DO SOMETHING STUPID! For instance, if you create a short circuit using energy from the ZPE, hopefully the system self-destructs and only takes out your lab/house/garage/whatever. The energy from a volume of space the size of a teacup could boil all the oceans on earth. This would only require the energy of a volume of space the size of a pinhead or smaller to destroy you and those you love. An unregulated short could take out your city (volume the size of, say, a US quarter), country (ping-pong ball), planet (softball), solar system (small car) -- get the drift? Don't try for anything "big" until you know what the heck you are messing with, and know how to control it ---> FIRST. Treat the situation like your pants are down and you just found a rattlesnake in your toilet, specifically proceed with extreme caution when dealing with currently unknown or not understood potential energy sources.

What happens if you short circuit a car battery with a 0.1 mm wire ?  Nothing.

I don't think we will have the equivalent of more than a 0.1 mm wire for ZPE in the near future.

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Re: Why Over-Unity is Possible
« Reply #111 on: October 28, 2022, 06:08:44 PM »

Potential heading upwards from the earth rises at about 100V per meter.
Why can't I not even use it, but just measure this voltage?
Even using electrostatic voltmeter.

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Re: Why Over-Unity is Possible
« Reply #112 on: November 17, 2022, 03:10:04 PM »
Why can't I not even use it, but just measure this voltage?
Even using electrostatic voltmeter.


There has to exist a separation from ground. Tesla put forth a drawing of a mechanism that could utilize the voltage difference. I keep thinking it is one of his patents. You could search and find it, then build such a device.

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Re: Why Over-Unity is Possible
« Reply #113 on: November 17, 2022, 03:21:56 PM »
Guys

If you short a car battery with a .1mm conductor, the wire glows red then burns in two. Something destructive DOES happen.


If the "battery" you short with that wire has high enough voltage, said wire will explode, and if the length of said wire is short enough, there will be a runaway arc until the "battery" voltage is equalized.


You are trying to compare apples with oranges.


On an unknown power source, you do not know how much energy is available in the system, or what it's potentials are, by very definition. You also don't know the fundamental rules that govern its behavior, which can be quite dangerous. Such a source is NOT electricity, so comparing them as either  equal or equivalent would be fruitless. A boulder sitting on a precarious slope can sometimes require very little force to get it rolling down the hill, but even a truck parked on the bottom of that hill will get flattened trying to stop it after it starts moving.


If someone uses electricity to build a device that manipulates an unknown energy force through field interaction of some sort and gets a 1:1 output, then simple conversion is at work. If you put in a small amount of electricity for a large output of energy, then you have used a lever on a boulder, so to speak.


As an analogy, you don't know how big that boulder is, nor what it will take to stop it if it starts moving too fast. For analogies sake -- the electricity used at that point is the base voltage for a "transistor" in an unknown circuit that allows said unknown energy to flow. Maybe an electric valve would be a better analogy, but either way the concept is the same.

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Re: Why Over-Unity is Possible
« Reply #114 on: November 22, 2022, 11:31:03 AM »
Why can't I not even use it, but just measure this voltage?
Even using electrostatic voltmeter.


RimStar has done a lot of great work in this area using his Corona motors.