ayeaye ,is a compass needle  movement for you " overunity" ?

I mean doing continuous work, this is what is mostly understood as overunity. Otherwise, dropping an object is likely overunity, the gravitational field does work to increase its speed, true? Then also a movement of a compass needle is overunity, the magnetic field does work, where the energy comes from? But in case of the compass needle the magnetic field doesn't do continuous work, so it's not overunity like it is mostly understood.

Is electricity stream by pulsed or alternating current " continuous work". ?

No, there the field does not do continuous work, it works a limited time in one direction, this is also the reason why the current is alternating. These electromagnetic processes are very symmetric, it is a question how to break symmetry there.

PS Coulomb model, not Coulumb model, i fixed that before.

I think that citfta did a very important experiment, for the first time a permanent magnet device was measured. What the result will be, maybe nothing, just eroding a fixed ideas.

Floor, please understand, scales have some systematic error. Means measuring the same value several times may not increase precision. This systematic error is though mostly tied to the value, thus when measuring different values, the error can be considered to be random. Measuring the same force with several different scales, may  increase precision though, but the scales should then be preferably different types, so they don't have the same systematic error.

I said that in that case, the best may be to calculate the error of the greatest measured energy, and then consider that to be the error of the whole calculation. When this energy is significantly great. Like i think that citfta can safely consider the error of the energy of shifting the shield magnet, as the error of the final result of the calculation. That is likely the force of shifting multiplied by 100 mm in that case. This would be the error of the difference between the input and output energy. As this energy is the greatest and the most significant in his experiment. The other measured energies are all much smaller, and with a very high probability, their errors are not all to one direction.

Measuring that energy with fish scales though, would have a very great error. Such scales, as i asked from other people who have such scales, indeed have an error +/-1 ounce, thus like when it shows 5 ounces, it may also be 4 ounces or 6 ounces. Thus in that case of shifting the shield magnet, the measured force was 5 * 0.278 = 1.390 N, with the error +/-1 ounce, that is +/-0.278 N, that is the minimum and maximum values will be 1.112 N and 1.668 N. The energy of shifting will thus be 1.39 N * 100 mm = 139.0 mJ, with the minimum value 111.2 mJ, and the maximum value 166.8 mJ. The error of the difference between the input and output energies will then be 139.0 - 111.2 = +/-27.8 mJ, regardless of what the other measured energies will be.

Ayeaye,




Would you PLEASE do some basic research before posting.  You have made many posts in this and the other threads about magnetic interactions that show you have not taken the time to do any real research.  I don't mean setting up a big lab with a lot of expensive equipment.  I mean that you should at least take the time to read all of a thread before posting.  It is just not polite to read a couple of posts and then jump in with comments.


I say this because of some comments you have made in your posts.  If you had read ALL of the posts in this and the other threads you would have seen the other videos I have posted.  If you had seen them you would have seen how I mounted the aluminum rails so they could move freely. And you would have seen how many bearings were on each rail.,


If you had actually read all of Norman't posts in his thread you would have seen references to what he is doing and would understand his picture he posted.


If you would take the time to actually get some magnets and work with them you would soon realize your idea of free energy from a magnet will probably not work.  My work and others seem to show that your sketch of magnetic forces does not seem to be supported by real world testing.


I mean no disrespect but hope you will realize that making comments about others without taking the time to really understand what they are doing is not a good way to build a relationship with them.


Respectfully,
Carroll

I watched your video, and the ones after that too.
There's no overunity there.
Just a circular V-gate.
The problem you had with the spot where the magnet wouldn't align,
Is where the field terminates.
artv

https://youtu.be/VccPX8Dq6yo
it doesn’t rotate either. This is what I myself came up with.

The Citfta's experiment with the shield magnet, also has no overunity in the Coulomb model, that is when the poles are considered to be point charges. Correct me if i'm wrong. The attraction and repulsion of the shield magnet will then always be equal for both the left and right magnets, but the repulsion between them will remain the same no matter whether the shield magnet is in between or not. That is by the Coulomb model, it is as if the shield magnet were not there, its effect is zero and it does no shielding.

Thus when there is any overunity in that device, even disregarding friction, that the Citfta's experiment seems to show, then it is again due to the real magnetic fields differing from the Coulomb model. That is again, when there is asymmetry in the magnetic field. In the Coulomb model the fields of the poles are spherical, that is symmetric, and maybe then it can also be said that the magnetic field is symmetric. But real magnetic fields differ from the Coulomb model, and thus may be asymmetric.

The asymmetry of the magnetic field may be seen as fields of the poles not being spherical or such, any difference from the Coulomb model, where both poles are considered to be separate spherical fields. And the distribution of the field strength may also differ due to interaction.

My another two cents.