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Author Topic: Magnets, motion and measurement  (Read 126257 times)

Offline Low-Q

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Re: Magnets, motion and measurement
« Reply #120 on: December 10, 2018, 06:43:33 PM »
posted 11/11/18


                   https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x6va1an
Since you posted this at my birthday, i want to make a comment :)
Is the sliding magnet suppose to lift up a bit so it can repel the stationary magnet when they are close to each other?
If so, and when you adjust the slide by reducing friction, you can place a spring where the slide can bounce back after repulsion. The slide magnet has dropped down to initial level at this point.
Then at this position it should not be any forces to prevent the slide to repeat the cycle (??) - just thoughts.


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Re: Magnets, motion and measurement
« Reply #121 on: December 11, 2018, 11:24:01 PM »


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"would be interesting to know the magnitude of the force of the inserting and removing the sliding shield."
« Last Edit: November 21, 2018, 04:47:18 AM by telecom »

https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x6gzr2q

less than 4 grams force is applied

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Re: Magnets, motion and measurement
« Reply #122 on: December 11, 2018, 11:25:50 PM »
@Vidar

  Sorry I missed your post until now.

    I don't understand your question
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Re: Magnets, motion and measurement
« Reply #123 on: December 12, 2018, 08:17:12 AM »
@Vidar

  Sorry I missed your post until now.

    I don't understand your question
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Neither did I, LOL :) . I missed out something that made my question just dumb. What I asked for, was when you lift the moving magnet up, so more of south poles is facing eachother, you will get repulsion, but the moving magnet is forced down, and not neutral in the vertical plane even if it is neutral in the horizontal plane.


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Re: Magnets, motion and measurement
« Reply #124 on: December 13, 2018, 08:32:40 PM »
Neither did I, LOL :) . I missed out something that made my question just dumb. What I asked for, was when you lift the moving magnet up, so more of south poles is facing eachother, you will get repulsion, but the moving magnet is forced down, and not neutral in the vertical plane even if it is neutral in the horizontal plane.


Vidar

Yes "not neutral in the vertical plane even if it is neutral in the horizontal plane."

Force is present in the vertical direction, but.... there is no work / energy expenditure required in the vertical directions.
Only increased friction upon the sliding track system.  That force can be neutralized by utilization of dual / magnetically isolated / mechanically linked units.

illustrated explained here         https://overunity.com/16954/magnets-motion-and-measurement/dlattach/attach/169684/

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Re: Magnets, motion and measurement
« Reply #125 on: December 14, 2018, 11:47:09 AM »
Maybe you should use V-slot wheels which can roll upon the steel rods, instead of sliding bearings? V-slot wheels would decrease friction to almost zero, and easier for you to examine the forces from the magnets. Link to a V slot wheel with ballbearing.
https://ae01.alicdn.com/kf/HTB15NTULpXXXXcoXVXXq6xXFXXXH/SWMAKER-Openbuilds-5-m-t-Mini-V-Delrin-B-nh-Xe-r-ng-r-c-mini.jpg_640x640.jpg



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Re: Magnets, motion and measurement
« Reply #126 on: December 28, 2018, 08:39:41 PM »
Seventeen videos showing how to get energy from magnets cyclically.

https://www.dailymotion.com/search/seethisvid/videos

Also the latest design illustration below

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Re: Magnets, motion and measurement
« Reply #127 on: December 28, 2018, 08:46:01 PM »
@ Allreaders

Beginning on page 5 of this topic there are numerous pdf files that explain these magnet interactions and
how to apply them in order to achieve OU results.

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Re: Magnets, motion and measurement
« Reply #128 on: December 28, 2018, 11:04:47 PM »
Seventeen videos showing how to get energy from magnets cyclically.

https://www.dailymotion.com/search/seethisvid/videos

Also the latest design illustration below

Would be nice to have something resembling a working drawing with the dimensions and specs for the magnets.
Is it too much to ask for?

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Re: Magnets, motion and measurement
« Reply #129 on: January 02, 2019, 09:06:08 PM »
Would be nice to have something resembling a working drawing with the dimensions and specs for the magnets.
Is it too much to ask for?

So far every request you have made of me... was all ready answered some where in the topics.  Would be nice if you
stopped asking, and read the topics instead....

The exception was perhaps that... I had not stated that 4 grams is the approximate force / movement threshold of the sliding unit.

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Re: Magnets, motion and measurement
« Reply #130 on: January 02, 2019, 09:09:48 PM »
@  Some details of some of the designs.

Please find the attached 2 PDF files below.

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Re: Magnets, motion and measurement
« Reply #131 on: January 02, 2019, 11:25:12 PM »
So far every request you have made of me... was all ready answered some where in the topics.  Would be nice if you
stopped asking, and read the topics instead....

The exception was perhaps that... I had not stated that 4 grams is the approximate force / movement threshold of the sliding unit.
Sorry to say that, but I found your diagrams to be very short on detail,
as well as your demos.
For example, even your rack and pinion arrangement looks more like a child scribble.
rather than something people can use to make a working model out of it.
Unfortunately, I couldn't find anything with the dimensions so far in your posts,
with the exception for the dimensions of the magnets, but not the apparatus itself.
Unless you want it this way.

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Re: Magnets, motion and measurement
« Reply #132 on: January 03, 2019, 01:16:38 AM »
Sorry to say that, but I found your diagrams to be very short on detail,
as well as your demos.
For example, even your rack and pinion arrangement looks more like a child scribble.
rather than something people can use to make a working model out of it.
Unfortunately, I couldn't find anything with the dimensions so far in your posts,
with the exception for the dimensions of the magnets, but not the apparatus itself.
Unless you want it this way.

I am amazed at how ungrateful some people are.  Floor has freely given you a lot of information he has collected by study and actual experiments.  No where have I seen where he suggested he was giving plans for a working device.  He is just freely sharing what he has learned.  It is up to those of us following his work to decide if we want to try and apply what he is FREELY sharing.  Please show some respect for his efforts.

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Re: Magnets, motion and measurement
« Reply #133 on: January 03, 2019, 02:51:31 AM »
I am amazed at how ungrateful some people are.  Floor has freely given you a lot of information he has collected by study and actual experiments.  No where have I seen where he suggested he was giving plans for a working device.  He is just freely sharing what he has learned.  It is up to those of us following his work to decide if we want to try and apply what he is FREELY sharing.  Please show some respect for his efforts.

Carroll

This is a forum for a free exchange of the information, and obviously Floor wanted
it this way, to create an exchange of the ideas.
However, based on his materials, I'm not convinced that his ideas have merit.
I've red through his documentation, and still don't understand how his shielding
works.
He says , that it works by the neutralization of forces, but his shield consisting
of the perpendicular magnet just adds an extra forces to the set up,
rather than neutralizing them, even though it may freely move in and out as it
was shown.
On the other hand, a shield consisting of the magnetic material may have problems
of its own, by not being able to  move freely within the setup.
 In other words, more data is needed to substantiate Floor's ideas,
rather than providing prophecies.

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Re: Magnets, motion and measurement
« Reply #134 on: January 03, 2019, 04:52:49 PM »
Dear telecom,
sorry to chime in, you say you still do not understand how his shielding works and you are not convinced his ideas have merit.

This being the case, you either obtain some cheap ceramic magnets with the correct magnetic poles and start doing some tests or just abandon his ideas and step on to other designs. If you choose the tinkering way you get into the best position to figure out how one magnet can shield two others and what forces are involved and how to solve the mechanical requirements.  This is the only way for you to understand his setup
Once you understand, you can work from that point even to improve upon it and further develop. 

Happy New Year to you and yours.

Gyula