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Author Topic: Magnets, motion and measurement  (Read 171447 times)

Floor

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Re: Magnets, motion and measurement
« Reply #75 on: September 21, 2018, 11:09:25 PM »
more of more

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Re: Magnets, motion and measurement
« Reply #76 on: September 21, 2018, 11:15:15 PM »
Staring at the bottom of the previous page of this topic (page 5)

A lot of new parts to the Magnets Motion and Measurement book besides what is on this page.

All as attached PDF file

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Re: Magnets, motion and measurement
« Reply #77 on: September 22, 2018, 12:28:27 AM »
One might be inclined to feel that a file titled "Magnet Basics" will be of no interest,
but then you might be surprised to (earlier post)

3 more files

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Re: Magnets, motion and measurement
« Reply #78 on: September 22, 2018, 12:29:08 AM »
next part

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Re: Magnets, motion and measurement
« Reply #79 on: September 22, 2018, 12:30:24 AM »
third of 3 part file

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Re: Magnets, motion and measurement
« Reply #80 on: September 24, 2018, 08:01:49 PM »
@ All readers

What's in these PDF files ?
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Simple and easy to understand drawings and explanations.
The how and why of magnets from basics to fairly complex.
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A suggested order of reading

Magnets Motion and Measurement part 1-6-2.PDF
Magnetic force Measurement.PDF
ForceGraphing 2-2c.PDF
Diminishing Return 2-2b.PDF
InverseSquare 1bPn.PDF
InverseSquare 2G2Pn.PDF
MagnetBasicsCombined 1-5.PDF
Mirror Engine 4new 1, 2 and 3 PDF files
La fonte Pseudo Solid Motor V2 PDF
La Fonte Pseudo Solid Explained 7 PDF
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Magnets Motion and Measurement part 1-6-2.PDF

Explains some basic physics and is written for people
interested in doing home experiments related to alternative energy.
In particular, it is written for those who have an interest in magnets
and their interactions.

                        TOPICS COVERED

ENERGY, INERTIAL FRAME OF REFERENCE, SPEED, VELOCITY, GRAVITY, FORCE,
ACCELERATION, THE FORCES OF ACCELERATION,  CONSTANT ACCELERATION,
ACCELERATION BY GRAVITY, INERTIA, MOMENTUM, MASS, WEIGHT, MASS V WEIGHT,
THE NEWTON, WORK, THE JOULE, ASPECT RATIO, TIME, POWER
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Magnetic force Measurement.PDF

How to measure / determine the amount of energy in simple magnet interactions.
Calculating displacement and force inputs and outputs as energy.
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ForceGraphing 2-2c.PDF

Examples of how to calculate the amount of energy in displacement and force
interactions.
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Diminishing Return 2-2b.PDF

Intended to give the home experimenter some idea of how much precision to use
when measuring magnet interactions.
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InverseSquare 1bPn.PDF
InverseSquare 2G2Pn.PDF

A fairly detailed explanation of what the inverse Square law is.

This applies to magnetic force decreasing as the distance from a magnet increases.
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MagnetBasicsCombined 1-5.PDF

Explains magnetic domains, Bloch walls, certain other aspects of magnets which an
experimenter will find useful. Some little known magnet interactions, facts and
explanations. 
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Mirror Engine 4new 1, 2 and 3 PDF files
An informative study of magnets interactions and Over Unity.
................................................
La Fonte Pseudo Solid Motor V2 PDF
A design as explained to me, by user GammaRayBurst at the OverUnity.com forum
To my knowledge, no one has to date, measured the work in to work out of this design.
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La Fonte Pseudo Solid Explained 7 PDF
An interesting and illuminating set of designs, magnet interactions / principles
also as explained by user GammaRayBurst at the OverUnity.com forum.

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Re: Magnets, motion and measurement
« Reply #81 on: September 25, 2018, 09:00:44 PM »
@ all readers

Please find the attached PDF files

Suggested order of reading


RightAngleSlide.PDF
MagneticForceNeutralizer 1.PDF
Rack action.PDF
ForceBalancingVariations.PDF
CombinedNeutralizedUnits.PDF

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Re: Magnets, motion and measurement
« Reply #82 on: September 25, 2018, 09:03:19 PM »
Two more of the files

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Re: Magnets, motion and measurement
« Reply #83 on: September 27, 2018, 01:02:16 AM »
Sounds interesting, but have you tried doing the actual measurements ?

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Re: Magnets, motion and measurement
« Reply #84 on: September 27, 2018, 09:13:23 PM »
@Telecom

QUOTE from Telecom
  "Sounds interesting, but have you tried doing the actual measurements ?"
END QUOTE
................. ............. .............. .........

What is it that you find "sounds interesting" about the presentations.

Have you ever presented a similar measurement process, here on the OU forum ?
             If so What measurements would you like to see ?
             If so will you describe for me, a precise set of measurement procedures which
             which would be adequate to hold your attention ?

What tolerances would you consider as adequate and why ?

 

@ All readers

About the PNG file immediately below ........

Don't read it if:
1. you're not in the mood for some deep thinking
2. you're at a location where it might be deemed as inappropriate
    if you are laughing out loud.


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Re: Magnets, motion and measurement
« Reply #85 on: September 27, 2018, 09:28:10 PM »
The file wouldn't upload

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Re: Magnets, motion and measurement
« Reply #86 on: September 27, 2018, 11:55:15 PM »
@Telecom

QUOTE from Telecom
  "Sounds interesting, but have you tried doing the actual measurements ?"
END QUOTE
................. ............. .............. .........

What is it that you find "sounds interesting" about the presentations.

Have you ever presented a similar measurement process, here on the OU forum ?
             If so What measurements would you like to see ?
             If so will you describe for me, a precise set of measurement procedures which
             which would be adequate to hold your attention ?

What tolerances would you consider as adequate and why ?

 

Floor

This is quite obvious, that the interesting part is the ability to turn off  magnetic attraction
(or repulsion) using above mentioned shields.
For example, magnets can produce tremendous output working in one direction, but require the same input to return them into the initial position.
If this input is illuminated using shields, than the problem is resolved.
The simplest would be to compare the effort of inserting and removing the shield with the
work produced by the attraction ( or repulsion).
Since you already have the apparatus in place, this shouldn't be that big of a task.
In order to provide the procedure, I would need to take a closer look at your setup
( but  by no means I consider myself a bigger expert than you in this field, or perhaps another member of this forum).
In terms of the tolerances, they should be within the reasonable precision of the
measuring instrument at hand - I hope that the difference between the input and output
can be easily detected.
Regards

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Re: Magnets, motion and measurement
« Reply #87 on: September 28, 2018, 09:01:28 PM »
@Telecom

I'm not an expert, just a learner.

The test bench is knocked down (its modular) pretty easy to set up though.
I'll need to  calibrate  and  level it.
I will also need to fill with water / calibrate my weight sets (bottles).
Before any of this I need to clear my work bench / shop   of other project remnants.

I don't have access to the triple beam balance I used to use, but I have a high precision, reliable, digital scales in its place.
 
The test bed does not have a cross sliding unit.  Consequently I can only do the measurements
by repositioning the magnet sets.  This works fine, just takes a little effort.... and labeling the magnets
so that the same magnets are in their original positions as shield,  stator and sliding magnets respectively.


I'll post once I'm set up.
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Re: Magnets, motion and measurement
« Reply #88 on: September 28, 2018, 09:37:56 PM »
This looks very good, but ideally your shield magnets should be as thin as possible,
as you've mentioned in the video.
In addition, you can use a variable diameter cams to compensate for non
linear force distribution, I believe you wrote about this option before.
But this will take much more work.
Looking forward for the results.
Regards

Floor

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Re: Magnets, motion and measurement
« Reply #89 on: October 08, 2018, 11:13:10 PM »
@Telecom

Up date......

I have had house guests, am bogged down with some other tasks right now and hardly spending any time on line.

Please be patient, I have some other measurement sets that are also motivating me toward getting the test bench set back up.


   thanks for your inquiries / suggestions

                     I will respond  as soon as I have something to respond with.

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