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Author Topic: Magnets, motion and measurement  (Read 18852 times)

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Re: Magnets, motion and measurement
« Reply #60 on: December 15, 2017, 09:16:26 PM »
Addendum

Measurement of electrical power,  electric motor power consumption,
the complexities of electric wave forms (pulsed or other wise) are beyond
and out side of the scope of this topic.

Investigations as complex as those, can be found in very many of the other topics on this forum.

This topic is under the heading of "mechanical"

Again, please start a topic specific to your project if you wish input / interaction in those
more complex areas.
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Re: Magnets, motion and measurement
« Reply #61 on: December 15, 2017, 09:18:03 PM »
@All readers

     To my mind the purpose of philosophy, is that the individual practitioner shall arrive at .....  understanding the limitations of reason.
     Even at the very beginnings of the undertaking to scientifically examine this world,
we find  implications of an infinity and an eternity all around us, and that we are not truly separate from that eternity.

                            Centuries ago, Galileo pondered action at distance.   
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                                                Speaking only for myself
     Newton's laws of motion have always seemed incomplete, incorrect, contradictory or simply not possible .... though useful.
...
     Within the texts of the Magnets Motion and Measurement book, part 1,  I make the following statement as well as other paraphrasing / similar statements.

     "An object at rest does not begin to move at some given speed. That object must accelerate in order to reach a given speed."
...
     An object at rest, when it at first begins to accelerate,  must begin to move at SOME speed.

                   If it at first begins to move,  what is that speed at which it first moves ?

                                      Does it accelerate in order to reach that speed ?

                      That speed,  must be greater than zero, if it is any speed at all.

     Can it begin to move at some speed, any speed, even if that speed is infinitely near to zero
with out having accelerated from some other lesser speed ?
     Does an accelerating object at first begin to move at some infinitesimally small speed within
some infinitesimally small amount of time, and does it reach that speed absolutely instantaneously and without acceleration ?

                            Do objects begin their accelerations via quantum leaps ?
...
           Even physic's most exotic "particles", are I think, more common even than dirt.

Is it   or    is it not fact  that ....
the ordinary objects around us are constantly transcending time and space at the sub atomic particle level ?

Is it or is it not a fact that ....
the basis for all events which we observe and from which we take the experiences ,  by which define our own selves, are some how transcendent of time even though in that transcendence, they are the very basis for time ?
...
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Re: Magnets, motion and measurement
« Reply #62 on: December 16, 2017, 02:44:35 AM »
Is it possible to have an object that is ‘not’ in motion?


Everything we mere humans have observed, is in motion.


Where would we put it, that it would not then be accelerated?


If we did put this “motionless object” somewhere,
Would not that very space be in motion?

This is not considering our own relative motion
(Which could very well be hundreds of thousands of mph)



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Re: Magnets, motion and measurement
« Reply #63 on: December 16, 2017, 11:42:56 PM »
Hi Sm0ky2

If one is completely stopped....

while the rest of the universe is a linear motion,
it seem then, the universe both approaches, and speeds away some unknown speed.

May be 1/C2 ,  If light speed is the absolute maximum.

If the rest of the universe is in a rotational motion, the closer one is to its center,
the slower any thing nearby is moving.
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But in terms of.....
Picturing an acceleration within a local inertial reference frame....

An object which begins to move from a state of rest, must BEGIN to move at SOME speed.
And it seems to me that, THAT speed must be accelerated to,  absolutely instantaneously, even if
THAT speed is a very slow one.

This (from my perspective) is one reason, why newtons laws remain as only approximations.
Valid in the macro world, and at RELATIVE speeds.... which are much less than the speed of light.

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Re: Magnets, motion and measurement
« Reply #64 on: December 16, 2017, 11:56:35 PM »
The point I was trying to make, is that regardless of our inertial frame
of reference or the relative perspective we view the object from,
It cannot be motionless, by any universal absolute.


Therefore, we must be accelerating the object from some unknown speed
(referenced as 0 only to us), up to some other unknown speed.
(Which we reference as 0+#)


The rate of acceleration is clearly defined.
And not instantaneous.

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Re: Magnets, motion and measurement
« Reply #65 on: December 26, 2017, 05:30:18 PM »
@Smoky2

Interesting points you make.

Yes, we don't know of any thing which can be defined as "motionless, by any universal absolute".
                             however
I cannot say either, that it can    or      "It cannot be motionless, by any universal absolute."
                                but
I doesn't matter, which context ..... "universal"       or      within a local reference frame.
It doesn't matter, which context ......  an absolute / universal speed of zero  or a relative speed of zero
                             The essence of my statements remain unchanged.

It doesn't even matter,  If I had context-ed the acceleration as beginning from some initial value (X),
while within some specific frame of reference............. rather than as (zero) while within some specific frame of reference.
                             The essence of my statements remain unchanged.

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Re: Magnets, motion and measurement
« Reply #66 on: January 11, 2018, 12:49:16 AM »
I spent a little more time on the Magnets Motion and Measurement book (part 1)
and did some clean up and  rearranging.

Please find the attached file below.

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Re: Magnets, motion and measurement
« Reply #67 on: January 11, 2018, 01:14:15 AM »
PLEASE DO NOT DOWNLOAD THE FILE ABOVE

My apologies for having uploaded the wrong file above.  Please do not
bother to download it.  It was mislabeled and is not the latest revision.

Please find instead the latest version below

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Re: Magnets, motion and measurement
« Reply #68 on: February 21, 2018, 07:10:37 PM »
I did some more restructureing, clean up, and one minor addition ... to
the  Magnets Motion and Measurement part 1-3.

  Please find the attached Magnets Motion and Measurement part 1-4

The last version was pretty sound, but this version is improved.

    Thanks for your interest. I hope it will serve well.
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Re: Magnets, motion and measurement
« Reply #69 on: March 12, 2018, 03:18:32 PM »

Except for some uncertainties I have about the math processes  ... I feel pretty satisfied with these last
editions.   I have access to a Berkeley mathematics (PHD) (for a fee would check my work)
I would rather keep it in house and for free ... if there is a someone, who would enjoy checking my work for free (doesn't require a PHD).

     Please find the attached  file   "Magnets Motion and Measurement part 1  -  5

This version doesn't significantly differ from the last two.
 
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Re: Magnets, motion and measurement
« Reply #70 on: May 09, 2018, 03:55:28 PM »
Minor additions to the last version

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