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Author Topic: Magnets, motion and measurement  (Read 95755 times)

Offline norman6538

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Re: Magnets, motion and measurement
« Reply #525 on: March 23, 2020, 12:28:26 PM »
Floor, thanks for your comment and sharing your ideas and drawings. That is what this forum is for.

 I have made 10 machines. One small one is just for carry around demonstrations to people. But there are few people who even have a novel curiosity. Our world wants green energy but they did not want Bessler and his wheel and they do not want your Twist Drive power either.
I have a few neighbor kids that are more interested than any adults. They are not poisoned yet by their education.

Latest re-tuned performance is 82 units of work from 22 units of work and 35 units to reset giving 25 units left. I'm working on the self switching clockwork.

I am very happy with the progress I have made during such extreme times.

Norman

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Re: Magnets, motion and measurement
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Re: Magnets, motion and measurement
« Reply #526 on: March 23, 2020, 12:57:52 PM »
Floor, thanks for your comment and sharing your ideas and drawings. That is what this forum is for.

I thought so too.

Life is though, one people do everything that other people want, and this is all content. I wouldn't quite say it's interesting for me, but may be for some others.

"Latest re-tuned performance is 82 units of work from 22 units"

What is that, a magnet approaching another magnet, then getting 82 units out?


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Re: Magnets, motion and measurement
« Reply #527 on: March 24, 2020, 12:32:32 PM »
Please understand, overunity, likely energy always comes from the zero point, when field does work, and goes to the zero point, when one works against the field. So there is always overunity, it is a common thing and happens all the time. Like we drive with the car downhill, energy comes from the zero point. We drive with the car uphill, energy goes to the zero point.

What we really need is to break the symmetry, achieve asymmetry, so that more energy comes from the zero point, than goes there. This is what should be called overunity in the sense of overunity research, as finding that is the aim of that research.

Because when everything in the field is symmetric, there cannot be asymmetry, this asymmetry should come from the asymmery of the field. In the magnetic field this asymmetry comes from the non-Coulomb irregularity, that is difference of the setup from the Coulomb model for magnetic field. Because in the Coulomb model the fields of the poles are spherical, and there is thus a complete symmetry.

Coulomb model is thus important in spite that there cannot be overunity in that model. Because knowing how it is in the Coulomb model, enables to find the difference of the setup from the Coulomb model, and it is in that difference where overunity can be found. Every such difference provides at least some kind of asymmetry, the question is only whether such asymmetry can be used to provide asymmetry in the whole setup, and whether this asymmetry works in the right direction, like so that different asymmetries don't work against each other.

The way to show that asymmetry in the setup, is to show that the energy of moving from outside the field to the state with the lowest energy potential, and the energy of moving from that state to the outside of the field, are not equal.

Fancy tricks with magnets may indeed interest only kids. But showing by experiments that there is such asymmetry, should interest adults, because it says something important about the universe.


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Re: Magnets, motion and measurement
« Reply #527 on: March 24, 2020, 12:32:32 PM »
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Offline Floor

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Re: Magnets, motion and measurement
« Reply #528 on: March 24, 2020, 07:03:57 PM »
A good critic is an asset.
A good critic is hard to find / rare. 
Bad critics abound, are worthless, even less than worthless. 
A good critic is an asset.
A good critic is very hard to find / rare. 
Bad critics abound, are worthless, even less than worthless. 

The reason good critics are hard to come by ?   
It requires self honesty.  It is a hard job.

The reason poor critics abound ? 
The internet has (in its own monetary interest) supported it..

The bad critics primary motivations for speaking....

0. just want attention.
1. a fascination with the sound of their own head rattling.
2. embrace the eye for an eye model / out to punish the world.
3. believe every thing they think, is true.
4. don't understand that the protection of freedom of speech has to do with
GOVERNMENTS not suppressing  information.
5. don't understand that freedom of speech also implies a responsibility to weigh the MERITS
and EFFECTS of what one says.
6. think that the phrase "every one has some thing of value to say"................... 
means .......................    every thing .....  anyone says has value.

I embrace the model that no material is useless.  This does mean that we should confuse garbage
with ice cream.

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Re: Magnets, motion and measurement
« Reply #529 on: March 24, 2020, 07:05:30 PM »
@ eye eye

I'm not going to take the time again, to individually rebut your misrepresentations of what other posters have said in this topic nor the time to correct the misinterpretations you constantly make of the magnet interactions represented here in the topic.

You have contributed nothing to the topic which is of sufficient value to merit toleration of the dis-information / miss- information you have presented and the disruption you represent.

Your responses to the other posters are evasive, misdirecting, distortions of their original context.   
In short, off topic, topic misdirecting, belligerent and nay saying. It is not welcomed in here.

All of this, I have already said to you.

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Offline Floor

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Re: Magnets, motion and measurement
« Reply #530 on: March 24, 2020, 07:18:45 PM »
Here is a funny video..

Topic is internet critics.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h8S4oltZTtc

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Re: Magnets, motion and measurement
« Reply #531 on: March 24, 2020, 08:57:33 PM »
You have contributed nothing to the topic which is of sufficient value to merit toleration of the dis-information / miss- information you have presented and the disruption you represent.

This is not true, why are you saying that?


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Offline Floor

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Re: Magnets, motion and measurement
« Reply #532 on: March 24, 2020, 09:11:16 PM »
  @ all readers

The magnet interactions and the best results in / differences between the work in to work out
are due to the creation of near balances between attracting and repelling forces between magnets.

To see demonstrations of some of these interactions watch the videos

 @   https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x6gzr2q

There are maybe 20 videos on my channel.   They are not monetized. I receive no income from the hits.

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Re: Magnets, motion and measurement
« Reply #533 on: March 24, 2020, 09:18:53 PM »
The magnet interactions and the best results in / differences between the work in to work out
are due to the creation of near balances between attracting and repelling forces between magnets.

Balancing forces alone does not provide overunity, imho.


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Offline norman6538

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Floor 101 for any school child
« Reply #534 on: March 25, 2020, 01:50:00 AM »
Floor 101 for any school child who has even a little curiosity. see attached video.


White is south in the video and they want to twist and align where they will be stuck together but the two vertical posts/wires on the left are stops to prevent full alignment. They are made from paperclips  and notice that the magnet coming down makes the twist and does not touch the twisting magnet.

This is so much more revealing than playing with the two magnetic dogs we played with as kids.

I leave the measurements up to "those skilled in the arts." Which is those who leave the keyboard and play with magnets and a hot glue gun.

Norman

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Re: Magnets, motion and measurement
« Reply #535 on: March 25, 2020, 07:31:37 AM »
Norman, you may guess, writing here, is not a fun part of my life.

I'm talking to people elsewhere who have made real working overunity devices. But it is impossible to explain even trivial things here about overunity, then how to go further.

« Last Edit: March 25, 2020, 11:30:02 AM by ayeaye »

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Offline Floor

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Re: Magnets, motion and measurement
« Reply #536 on: March 26, 2020, 05:53:21 AM »
Hi Norman

Your video, is more like a snapshot (short length).

Would you explain the magnet motions and their polar orientations for us.
I don't know what it demonstrates ?

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   My "WARNING POSTER" is just a statement / humor about what is considered the impossible..


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Re: Magnets, motion and measurement
« Reply #537 on: March 26, 2020, 06:38:52 AM »
@ all readers

There exists a wide variety of ATTEMPTS at O.U. with magnets,  through what is often refered to
as asymetry of the fields.  You tube is full of them.

The classic example of this sort of device is called the "V gate" design.

Some V gate designs are rotary, others are linear.  There are many variatioms.  Some old, some
newer ones. 

Nearly all of the "magnet motor" designs I have seen over the years are some variation of that idea. 

Newtons laws of motion are valid and ever present in those designs. Those designs only continue
to move due some amount of momentum and then they stop.  No O.U. there.

The magnet itnteractions I have focused upon in this topic are of a fundamentally defferent methodology.  Newtons laws of motion are just as present in their operation as in any other
design.   

However Newtons laws are to a lerge extent, the basis of the functioning of the magnetic force shunting / redirecting /shielding designs, although there is more to it / it's more complex than simply that.

IT THIS TOPIC the phrase "magnetic field" referres only to that three dimensional region around
a magnet in which a magnetic force is measured.  The topic coes not fundamentally concern itself
with field theory.

I have never seen / heard of a truly sphereical field around a permanent magnet.  The field is
torroidal.  Basically  dougnut shaped.  Long and thin if surrounding a long thin bar magnet.
Flattened out if surrounding a wafer magnet.  Then there are ring magnets horse shoe magnets
and so on.   Magnetic fields as they are generally found in our world anr thing but sphereical. 

Force from a permanent magnet does not deminish in accord with  the inverse square law. NEVER !

This is some of what has concerend me in the topic of late.

             Much more to say.

                 But later
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           stay well
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Floor 101 video
« Reply #538 on: March 26, 2020, 10:05:37 AM »
The Floor Twist Drive/magnetic power is clearly demonstrated when the magnet comes down close to the twistable magnet below making it turn. And the magnets do not smack together and get stuck.
The best way to see this is to make this simple device and see for yourself but use small rectangular ceramic magnets. At first I glued 2 magnets to flat tongue depressor/craft sticks - 1. up vertical and 2. at 45 degrees then place them flat on a table and slide the edges next to each other. In one polarity they will repel and in another polarity they will attract. Then I glued a dowel to one magnet to allow the one stick/magnet to rotate and made the Floor 101 video showing the twisting.
At the end of the video the white paint on the magnets is magnetic south.

This video shows  the second part  of the Floor principle. It only shows undoing that small attraction that results after the twist
But it also shows the balance scale that is heavy on the right which then drops as the magnetic attraction on the left is reduced when the magnets are untwisted.

 Make this simple Floor machine and you will become a believer.

When Floor 101 is understood I'll proceed to Floor 102.

Norman
« Last Edit: March 26, 2020, 06:11:29 PM by norman6538 »

Offline ayeaye

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Re: Magnets, motion and measurement
« Reply #539 on: March 26, 2020, 11:41:32 AM »
There exists a wide variety of ATTEMPTS at O.U. with magnets,  through what is often refered to
as asymetry of the fields.  You tube is full of them.

The classic example of this sort of device is called the "V gate" design.

No. V-gate can fully be modeled by the Coulomb model, and has no overunity whatsoever. That is, the concept can be modeled by the Coulomb model. And it thus doesn't use asymmetry of the field at all. Whether in the reality there is overunity, is another question, but this principle is not right for making overunity setups.

Internet is full of all kind of V-gate devices yes. But i have not seen not a single one that uses asymmetry of the field. My experiments and the replication of it by Telecom that show gain of energy, are based on asymmetry of the field.

They have nothing whatsoever to do with any variety of V-gate, tri-gate or anything such.

The Newton law is an inverse square law, the same as the Coulomb law. In some cases and to some extent it applies to magnets, but if the fields of the poles differ from spherical, then such magnets also differ from the Newton law, and from the Coulomb model for magnetic fields. I have not heard anyone talking about Newton law regarding the magnets, Newton did not propose his law for magnets, Coulomb did. Thus it is correct to talk about the Coulomb law and the Coulomb model.


 

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